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The Yorkshire Post sports team discuss this week's sporting news in another edition of our Football Talk podcast.
First off this week we take a look at Leeds United who produced a vital 2-1 victory over Preston North End which saw them return to the summit of the division and with results elsewhere going their way they are very close to a return to the Premier League.
Next we focus on the promotion race in League 2.
We look at Hull City who played out a late 1-1 draw when they welcomed Coventry City.
We discuss Rotherham United who have announced that Matt Hamshaw has become their new permanent manager.
Finally this week we look to Leon for his team of the week before turning to Stuart for his player of the week.
Transcript
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00:02Hello and welcome to the latest edition of Football Talk from the Yorkshire Post,
00:20where we will be discussing some of the latest talking points from the world of football
00:23with members of our football writing team.
00:25On this week's episode, we're joined by Chief Football Writer for the Yorkshire Post, Stuart Rayner,
00:28and Football Writer for the Yorkshire Post, your module to discuss all of the latest developments
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01:07As mentioned earlier in the intro, this week we're joined by Chief Football Writer for the
01:11Yorkshire Post, Stuart Rayner, and Football Writer for the Yorkshire Post, Leon Wobstall.
01:15Good morning, guys.
01:16Morning.
01:17Hello.
01:17Morning.
01:18This week saw the Championship lead change hands yet again, with Leeds United taking control
01:25of the division, and we'll be covering them later on in the episode.
01:29Sheffield United fell to a third successive defeat when they lost 2-1 to Plymouth Argyle.
01:34Sheffield Wednesday suffered a 1-0 defeat at the hands of Oxford United, and Hull City fell
01:40to a 1-0 defeat against Watford.
01:42We'll be covering them later on in the episode as well.
01:45In League 1, Huddersfield Town suffered a 3-0 defeat against Burton Albion.
01:50Barnsley ended their run of six games without a win by claiming a 4-1 victory over Bolton
01:55Wanderers, and Rotherham United saw their winning run ended by a 3-1 defeat at the hands of Stockport
02:00County.
02:01And in League 2, Bradford City suffered an agonising 5-4 defeat against Swindon Town, which
02:06we'll be covering a little bit later on this week as well, and Harrogate Town salvaged
02:10a late 2-1 draw when they hosted Grimsby Town.
02:12However, let's start this week by taking a look at Leeds United, who produced a vital
02:192-1 victory over Preston North Ender, which saw them return to the summit of the division.
02:24And with results elsewhere going their way, they are very close to a return to the Premier
02:30League.
02:31What are your thoughts on their performance, Stuart?
02:33Well, I mean, the performance itself was pretty...
02:39It was nothing to sort of get excited about one way or the other.
02:44The atmosphere and everything around it was extraordinary, really.
02:51Partly because of Sheffield United losing at Plymouth Argyle, partly just because of the time of the
02:58season it was.
03:00You know, I say in terms of a Leeds performance, if this was sort of September or October, you'd
03:06just shrug your shoulders.
03:08It was barely par for the course.
03:10You know, there were three goals in the first 15 minutes.
03:14Leeds got a couple of them.
03:15I've never managed to add to it.
03:17You know, we've seen that tale before, but football being what it is, you know, we've
03:24all seen it happen.
03:25It just needs...
03:26They were much the better team against the Preston team who came to play, which was nice
03:32to see, but probably, you know, what Leeds wanted.
03:36But, you know, as I say, we've all seen games before.
03:38We know what can happen.
03:39There can be a last-minute goal.
03:41The goalkeeper can let one through him.
03:43The referee can make a bad decision.
03:44Someone can score a wonder goal.
03:47So there was a real...
03:48You could really feel the nervousness and the desperation about Alan Rowe.
03:54But the good thing from a Leeds United perspective was that that desperation really manifested itself
04:01in a really positive way.
04:03They really got behind the team and urged them on rather than simply just fretting about
04:10it sort of thing.
04:11And it created a really positive atmosphere and a really, really positive finish.
04:19You know, when the whistle blew, they realised Sheffield United had lost in those circumstances,
04:24you know, winning 80 minutes in.
04:26And it felt like a really significant day.
04:29I mean, if you look at the league table, there's only five points in it.
04:32There's six points to play for over Easter.
04:34It's not over.
04:35It's definitely not over.
04:37But the way Leeds are going, the way Burnley are going, the manner of Sheffield United's
04:42last three defeats, the kind of, you know, the reaction to it.
04:46I presume everyone's seen the pictures of the, you know, the jostling in the tunnel and all
04:50that sort of thing.
04:50They all just sort of added into a narrative that this was a really big day for Leeds United.
04:57And so we've fallen into the trap before.
05:00It could be the five X weeks podcast.
05:02You know, the narrative's changed completely, but it didn't feel like that.
05:06It felt significant.
05:08It felt telling.
05:09You know, and you add in little things like the fact that Leeds did it without Dan James,
05:14without Pascal Stroik, who's going to be out for the end of the season.
05:17And, you know, all legitimate excuses, the kind of things we'll talk about with other
05:21teams at this stage of the season, the fact that they didn't affect Leeds, the fact that
05:26Leeds had got back on the bike after that.
05:28You know, we talked about the Middlesbrough game last week and the possible significance
05:32of that.
05:33It needed to be backed up.
05:34It was backed up.
05:35It looks like they've sort of righted things after that wobble.
05:41Now Sheffield United, it looks like having that wobble.
05:44It just, it felt like, obviously it wasn't the day Leeds to kill promotion, but it just
05:49felt like this was a really, really big day in the, in the automatic promotion race.
05:54So we'll see, we'll see what happens over the Easter weekend.
05:57And if we have to rethink, but right now it looked big for Leeds.
06:01Yeah.
06:01Yeah.
06:02I mean, it's been a, I'd agree with what Stuart says.
06:04It's been an absorbing promotion fight and you've got to, you've got to feel for the club
06:09that do miss out and go in the playoffs, but I'm afraid that's, that's the way the cookie
06:13crumbles, isn't it?
06:15I think the smart money is on, unless something miraculous does change out of this Easter program
06:21is, you know, the three losses on the spin for Sheffield United.
06:24I think that's, there's a good chance that's going to be the definitive feature of this,
06:28of this whole race, isn't it really?
06:30Obviously the, I think no one, it was just a championship all over, wasn't it?
06:35Sheffield United leading at Plymouth and Plymouth scoring twice at, at the end of the side,
06:39bottom of the table.
06:41And obviously the surprising result against, against Millwall as well.
06:45So yeah, Leeds, they're just, they're just keeping their heads, aren't they?
06:50And Stuart said, I think it does suit them at this time.
06:53Even teams come to play football.
06:55I wasn't as worried about the Middlesbrough game as maybe some Leeds supporters were.
06:59I thought that would take care of itself.
07:03I think the big game for me is the game at Oxford on Friday, a team who have got some good results.
07:11They're battle-hardened, they've toughened up under Gary Rowett.
07:16They're very well organised, they have set-piece and physical threats.
07:21They're the sort of opponent we've touched on before, sitting in a low-blow block,
07:24won't take Leeds on at football.
07:27They'll make it very difficult for them.
07:28They'll want a stop-start game, a bitty game.
07:33Historically, Leeds have sometimes struggled in those sort of games.
07:35If Leeds can get a win there, I think they're very, very close to being there, really.
07:42It's difficult for Sheffield United.
07:43I mean, I've heard Stuart's piece of the day.
07:45They're sort of bitwixt in between, really, aren't they?
07:48I mean, they obviously, you know, it'd be a dream if they're finishing their top two.
07:52But I think the odds are going into the playoffs unless something big happens.
07:57I think they'd have probably preferred to go into bat last, really, on Good Friday, really.
08:02At least they would have had possibly a bit of clarity.
08:06If Leeds had a one and Burnley had a one, it would have taken something monumental then for Sheffield United to get in the top two.
08:17But they have to go where the dominoes drop and they've got a game against Cardiff.
08:21And it's a big game at the bottom of the table as well, isn't it?
08:23I mean, obviously, Cardiff, they're down there.
08:28And I think I just had a little scribble at the numbers.
08:30You look at the sort of form guides and, you know, the four-match form guide.
08:34Burnley are second, Leeds are fifth, Sheffield United are 20th.
08:39And, you know, what a time of the season to drop off.
08:42And in the sixth game, form guide, Burnley are top, Leeds are second and Sheffield United are 14th.
08:49So, Leeds and Burnley have showed those consistent numbers.
08:52Burnley, I think, you know, the story for them has just been the defence, hasn't it?
08:56We've spoken about it before.
08:58Absolutely remarkable to concede.
09:00Is it 12 or 13 goals all season?
09:02Something like that, yeah.
09:03It's almost getting to be one every three games, isn't it?
09:06Which is absolutely staggering.
09:08We've mentioned the crazy run they had just before Christmas until something like the end of February, wasn't it?
09:15Where they didn't concede a goal.
09:17And, yeah, it's tough going for Sheffield United.
09:23But whichever way you look at it, they've got to just get momentum back somewhere, haven't they?
09:27Whether they do somehow hold themselves back into the top two picture, which looks a bit unlikely at the minute.
09:33Or, obviously, their eyes are set towards the playoffs because, you know, a real punishing week for them.
09:42And Leeds and Burnley have both done what they have to do.
09:47Yeah, I think in terms of that Oxford game, I think Leon said, right, in terms of, you know, the styles make fights sort of argument, it will be a tricky one in that respect.
09:57I think it will be quite a bit easier coming last if Sheffield United drop points again.
10:03I think that's going to dictate whether it's a difficult or actually a pretty straightforward game for them.
10:09Because I think the pressure will be off if Sheffield United were to drop points again.
10:13Less though Burnley, because, obviously, they've started at level on points.
10:16But that will ease things a lot.
10:19Yeah, my argument with Sheffield United, for those that didn't see the piece, was just that if they sort of mentally focus on the playoffs now,
10:28basically, they've got three or four weeks to get into the right frame of mind for the playoffs.
10:35And the way to do that is by winning games anyway.
10:38So if you just kind of think of it in those terms, I don't mean in terms of team selection or anything like that.
10:43I just mean the sort of mentality of it.
10:46It might look after itself.
10:48You know, we've seen York in the conference.
10:50They were in the position where they sort of conceded the one automatic promotion spot.
10:54And since then, they've made up an eight-point gap on but on it, simply by playing with a bit of freedom and enjoying themselves.
11:01And I think if Sheffield United can get into that mindset, that might help them out.
11:07But yeah, they need Snuka now, let's be honest with you, the way things are.
11:12Given that they've got the poorest goal difference of the three, you know, given how ultra-consistent, as Leon's outlined, Burnley are.
11:19You know, Burnley, because of that defence, they play badly, they draw.
11:23Or, you know, they don't lose something.
11:27Leeds, there was a definite nervousness around, certainly the outside, around that Swansea and Luton Town game.
11:35But I'd say those two games just seem to have settled it down.
11:39So we'll see, because you can never definitely say this is the last twist in the tale, but it does feel like it's going well.
11:45It looks for Tennessee, doesn't it?
11:47I mean, the way Sheffield United are thinking.
11:48I mean, it's a decent, with respect to Cardiff, who had a bit of a bruising result last time out against Stoke losing at the end.
11:56It's got a bit of a last-chancey sort of feel for Sheffield United, hasn't it?
12:00You know, Wilder's been around the block.
12:02He'll know that if his side can beat Cardiff, they will put an element of pressure on Leeds.
12:09It's a sticky fixture at Oxford, as obviously Sheffield United well know from losing their not so long back.
12:18And it's sort of almost a bit of a last card they can sort of play, really.
12:21And if they don't do that and they drop points, I think Wilder will be sort of mentally resigned to the playoffs, really.
12:30So, yeah, who's to say what can happen in the Championship?
12:33But it takes something very surprising now to sort of change the narrative, I think.
12:39Yeah.
12:40Yeah, yeah.
12:41And next, I wanted to focus on the promotion race in League Two, Leon.
12:46How do you see that turning out?
12:48Now, having been at Bradford City's 5-4 defeat at Swindon Town and Doncaster Rovers' 1-0 draw at Salford, it's very tight.
12:57Yeah, I mean, the Salford Institute have spoken about the race for the top two in the Championship,
13:04and the smart money was that going down to the wire.
13:07It probably doesn't look that way now, does it?
13:09But the one in League Two certainly does, doesn't it?
13:12And I think there's a fair chance that, I think last week I said all three positions,
13:18but it looks like Port Vale have made a bit of a break for home.
13:23They're the consistent side at the minute.
13:24I noticed a few weeks ago, I think they beat Crewe, didn't they, in a derby, and they scored deep in stoppage time.
13:32I think it was a 1-0 win, and I sort of thought to myself a little bit, that's a real going-up result.
13:38That is a local derby, going away to your rivals, nicking a 1-0 win at the death.
13:42And, yeah, that's really sort of fired their engines.
13:46Port Vale had a big win last weekend against Bromley, so for them to not finish in one of the automatic promotion slots would take a considerable drop off.
13:58For the others, it's a real sort of struggling arm wrestle, isn't it?
14:02I did the Swindon game against Bradford, and it was just remarkable, really.
14:09It was just one of those, I think you knew about 20 minutes in that absolutely anything could happen.
14:16Obviously, the big talking point was the sending off from Richie Smallwood,
14:20which he has a little bit of a history in late-season fixtures for making the wrong decisions.
14:28I did a game a few years ago at Crewe.
14:30It was 2-0, he conceded a late penalty, just stuck out of the leg.
14:35It was a bit daft, really, and Crewe ended up winning that game.
14:38But I think the one on Saturday was far more reprehensible, really.
14:43Bradford were winning, they were 2-0 in control.
14:46They were causing a lot of problems at Swindon, especially from the right-hand with set plays.
14:522-0 up, just have a nice, boring last 70 minutes of football, manage the game, break it up.
14:59And Smallwood's that sort of player, isn't he?
15:01He's had a great season, in fairness to him.
15:04His numbers in League 2, most challenges, most tackles.
15:07Once it's a complete pass, this, that and the other.
15:10It was just, I don't know what's from Stuart, I just thought it was a crazy tackle in the circumstances.
15:15And it was, I think it was a bit of a feisty game.
15:18There was a bit going on, there was a bit of chatter.
15:21When, I mean, after the sending off, when he got his hat to it, Callum Cameron, how he was putting the three fingers up to the Swindon fans.
15:28And there was a lot of noise in that game.
15:31But as a senior professional for Smallwood, you know, he clobbered Glaskill.
15:36And there was just no need for it.
15:382-0 up.
15:39Reckless challenge, red card.
15:41And Swindon soon got one back.
15:43And you thought, oh, hey, what's going to go on here?
15:48And, you know, fair play to Bradford.
15:51They got back in front at 4-3.
15:54And, you know, they did miss Smallwood on the day for just sort of managing, you know, aspects of the game.
16:00You know, knowing when to maybe knock it in the corner for five minutes.
16:04And when to break the game down.
16:06But a couple of the goals were, even though they were down to 10 men, I thought it was very uncharacteristic for Bradford.
16:12They were, it was really, really sloppy in defence.
16:15I think it was the losing count, really.
16:18I think it was the third goal from Smith.
16:20It was total ball watching from the Bradford defence.
16:23And that didn't really have anything to do with 10 men.
16:26And, you know, the equalising goal as well.
16:30He got in between the two centre-halves, Shepard and Kelly.
16:33And then poor old Shepard at the end when he slid in and put it in his own net.
16:39And all the Swindon players stood over him and were laughing in his face almost.
16:44So, just a crazy, crazy game of football.
16:47Well, I suppose they'll be feeling a little bit better about themselves, given the Doncaster result on, well, I mean, the results could have been worse, actually, for Bradford on the Saturday.
17:00Walsall were having an absolute pig of a run, aren't they?
17:03But they're still somehow in third place.
17:06So, I think they won two in 17.
17:08They lost.
17:09Doncaster dropped points against Wimbledon.
17:11Obviously, Notts County had got beaten the night before against Salford.
17:17Apart from the Port Railways, it could have been worse for Bradford.
17:20So, I think they will be pleased about that.
17:22But they've obviously got a huge game against Notts County and what I think could be a sticky game on Easter Monday against Chesterfield as well.
17:31I think they're a decent side, Chesterfield.
17:34I've seen them a couple of times this season.
17:36And they've still got a little bit of a smell of the playoffs.
17:38So, I think they can be the dangerous games sometimes.
17:43And they've got to do it without Richie Smallwood too.
17:45But that one looks like it's going to go right to the, a couple of those places, right to the end.
17:52Yeah, Bradford let down by the Smallwood factor and a couple of moments of disorganisation.
17:58I think for Doncaster, I did the Salford game.
18:00And I think it was more at the other end, really, where they had probably caused a lament.
18:06I thought they defended quite well, considering that Richard Wood was out.
18:11Jay McGrath had tweaked his groin, so he was unavailable.
18:14There was obviously the Oluw situation.
18:16He's out for the season.
18:18So, it was a bit of a makeshift.
18:20He went quite attacking, Grant McKenna.
18:22The 3-4-2-1.
18:24I thought the lads at the back did well.
18:26Owen Bailey.
18:27Stuart's probably seen a bit more of him than me this season.
18:29But I think he's an excellent player.
18:32And I think he's got a really...
18:33I think he's hopefully not in the near future with Doncaster.
18:37But I think he's got a move in him somewhere.
18:39Because he's, you know, just as a leader in midfield.
18:42You know, he's adaptable and he can slot in seamlessly at the back.
18:47He did well.
18:48I thought Jack Senior had a decent game as well.
18:51Just a little bit further forward.
18:52You know, the people who you expect a bit of magic moments from.
18:56The Luke Molyneux, who's had a brilliant season.
18:58You know, you can't sort of hammer him too much.
19:01And Jordan Gibson's had his moments.
19:04I did the Carlisle game recently.
19:05They were just a little bit...
19:07Just needed that little bit of spark, that little bit of magic from them.
19:10And they had plenty of moments in the second half, Doncaster.
19:13But in fairness to Salford, I thought they gave it a good go.
19:18The Doncaster scored.
19:19They were the better side for the rest of the first half.
19:21And they mixed the play up more than Doncaster.
19:25And they had moments in the second half.
19:28Adele, who got the bird from the Donny fans.
19:30He hit the post and he nearly silenced them.
19:34So, I think the moral of the story is don't boo a player who's played against you at the end of the season too much.
19:42It might bite you on the back side.
19:46And it very nearly did.
19:48So, yeah, I think it's one of those.
19:50You'll have to see how the dominoes land on Easter Monday at the close of it there.
19:55Yeah, I mean, Doncaster, if you talk about being that, the Chesterfield-Bradford game being a little bit of a...
20:00That might be an interesting one.
20:03I think the Tranmere one as well for Doncaster.
20:05I mean, Tranmere, they're almost there.
20:07They've had a lousy three quarters of the season.
20:10They've just picked up a little bit.
20:12And if they can get a result against Doncaster, it's, you know, a party mode for them, in a way.
20:18Another year of league football on the Wirral.
20:22So, yeah, that's...
20:24I think that could be a banana skin.
20:28Hopefully not.
20:29They'll be backed by a good following again, Doncaster.
20:32And in fairness to away form, it's pretty good, isn't it, really?
20:34I think it's the top of the division.
20:37But I think the bottom line is that this one's going to go to the end, isn't it, really?
20:43And obviously, Doncaster, they've got a play-off candidate on Easter Monday as well in Colchester.
20:51And they did a piece a few weeks ago.
20:53There's all sorts of subplots and intrigue, isn't there?
20:55There's Darren Moore.
20:56He used to manage Doncaster.
20:59He played for Bradford.
21:01I think they've got to play Wimbledon, haven't they, over Easter as well?
21:04And there's also, I mean, Harrogate Town.
21:07What a bonus that would be if they could do something for Doncaster and Bradford
21:12when they play at Walsall on Good Friday.
21:16And, you know, a little bit further down the track after Easter,
21:20we've got a monumental game between Doncaster and Bradford.
21:25And then it goes to the last day and Notts County are playing Doncaster.
21:28So, I think it's one of those where anything could happen in that one.
21:33I mean, I remember famous moments with Doncaster with the, you know,
21:37the James Coppedge goal when Brentford missed the penalty.
21:40I'm not saying it's going to be anything like that.
21:41But I think there's going to be, I think it's safe to say there's going to be some
21:45considerable drama somewhere, at some ground,
21:49on the final day of the season at the top end of League Two.
21:52I think we're probably safe in making that prediction.
21:58And, you know, from our point of view, let's just hope that Doncaster and Bradford
22:02are two of them that are smiling.
22:05Because, you know, they're not in sort of brilliant form.
22:11But you look at Walsall and how the hell are they still there?
22:13But they are, aren't they, really?
22:16They've got that Burnley-type resilience, haven't they?
22:18Yeah, so I listened on the way back from Swindon.
22:22I was fiddling around on the local radios, as probably Stuart's done before,
22:27when you're driving back.
22:29And Walsall sounded terrible at Barrow.
22:34They didn't have a shot on target.
22:35They got beat 2-0.
22:36I think they've only won something like 2-17,
22:39which is horrendous for them, isn't it, really?
22:42So, yeah, but there's all sorts going on.
22:45It's almost like a four-game season, though, isn't it,
22:47for a lot of the teams at the top?
22:48Yeah, I mean, it feels like...
22:50I think it was the first Premier League season, wasn't it, Leon,
22:53where it was the relegation battle and teams were moving
22:55between about six positions.
22:57Yes.
22:57The United shifted about six positions over the course of the day.
23:01And who was going down changed on a five-minute basis.
23:03You can see the League 2 promotion picture being exactly the same.
23:08I mean, Doncaster are just so tantalising at the moment.
23:11You know, it feels like forever we've been saying,
23:14if they win the game in hand, X will happen, you know.
23:17And they just keep threatening, but not quite seeing it through.
23:22So it was kind of typical that they got a draw that put them
23:25just on the verge of the automatics, but not actually in the automatics.
23:29Yeah, it's going to be so tense.
23:31I mean, inevitably, with so many teams involved, of course,
23:33there's so many head-to-heads as well.
23:35Yeah.
23:36Leon's outlined a few.
23:37You could go on for another five minutes with all the different ones.
23:40And it's just...
23:41It's so pressurised.
23:42You know, it shows you when someone like Richie Smallwood
23:45and, you know, that same afternoon, Billy Sharp,
23:49getting sent to him for Doncaster.
23:51You know, the two wise old heads of the team are feeling it as well.
23:55It's so tense.
23:58I mean, I think the thing for Bradford, from my perspective,
24:02they've got lots of county at home on the Thursday, haven't they?
24:06Monday, Thursday.
24:07But Bradford seems to be looking...
24:09At the moment, anyway, this could blow up in my face very quickly,
24:11but it seems to be looking after the home games very well
24:14on the field and off the field.
24:16The away games, I think they're 14th in the away form.
24:20And the two away games left, Chesterfield, as Leon's already said,
24:24a really dangerous team to play.
24:26And Doncaster Rovers.
24:28I mean, they're the two massive, massive away games for them.
24:32It really could go any way, and you'd be a fool to predict it.
24:36Yeah.
24:36It's just so...
24:39If you don't support Bradford or Doncaster,
24:42it's the best promotion back level ever.
24:43If you do, it's the worst ever.
24:45You know, it's really going to put them through the ringer.
24:49And I'm really going to test them out.
24:52It's impossible to say, because obviously we see a bit of the Yorkshire teams,
24:56but you don't always see the other part of the equation.
24:59You know, I saw Walsall the other week at Doncaster.
25:02I've not seen any of those other 17 games.
25:05You know, you're not seeing much of Wimbledon and Notts County
25:08and teams like that.
25:10So much could happen.
25:12And again, like they...
25:13Well, with all these automatic promotion battles,
25:16you feel for a team that misses out and has to go into the playoffs,
25:21especially in League Two,
25:22because there's going to be some really informed teams.
25:26So I really desperately hope Bradford and Doncaster can both make the top three.
25:31But yeah, I think it was Chris Wilder, wasn't it, Leo?
25:34I think you were there on the Friday.
25:36You said, oh, there'll be a lot of tight games between now and the end of the season.
25:40But you do just get the on-mad one as well.
25:42And I say, just looking from Ellen Road,
25:45just looking at the goals going in and the red card,
25:48you could sense within about 15 minutes,
25:49maybe Leon's going to have a heck of a game on his hands today.
25:54You do just get these games from nowhere, just bang.
25:57With Yorkshire teams as well, I was talking to a Swindon guy
26:00and he was, they drew five holes in Sheffield United in the playoff game.
26:03Yeah, you mentioned that.
26:05Well, that was just one of those.
26:07I don't know how I look at it, I don't know what you think,
26:10but there's four games left.
26:13I think if you get two wins, two draws, you've got a very good shot.
26:18Or even two wins and a draw.
26:19Yeah.
26:21I think two wins and two draws, you're all right.
26:23Possibly two wins and a draw, you might get away with.
26:26But who knows?
26:27I think if you're Bradford, you look at it and you think,
26:30we've got to win those two games and pick up something else.
26:32Maybe if you're Doncaster, maybe you look at it the other way around
26:35with their away form and say, win the two away games
26:38and pick up what we can.
26:39But yeah, as I say, if it's testing people like Richie Smallwood
26:43and Billy Sharp, God help the rest of us, you know,
26:46trying to make sense of it all.
26:47It's really absorbing and really hard to predict.
26:52Yeah.
26:52It's going to go up to the end, isn't it?
26:53Yeah.
26:53Now, let's have a look at Hull City, who played out a late one-all draw
26:58when they welcomed Coventry City.
27:01What have you made of the Tigers' recent form?
27:03And do you think they have enough to stay clear of that bottom three, Stuart?
27:08Well, I do, but they're another tantalising one.
27:10They're another one who, they get a result and you just think,
27:13oh, is this them out of the woods?
27:15And then, you know, they lose to Luton.
27:17I mean, they're getting extremely good at shooting themselves in the foot.
27:23Two games running, they've conceded an own goal in the 46th minute,
27:26first goal of the game.
27:28I mean, you know, alarm bells start to ring.
27:30I think it's something like five goals in the first five minutes
27:34of second halves.
27:36There's clearly, they're clearly not switched on enough there.
27:39There's a mental problem there.
27:41I mean, the Coventry game was a sort of funny one to assess.
27:45Neither team moved in the table, but both teams managed to extend
27:51their sort of cushion to three points.
27:53So that's a tick in the box.
27:55You'd say all day long you'd take a draw against Coventry City.
27:58I mean, you know, the form that they're in and also home form as well,
28:02you know, absolutely.
28:05But then in those circumstances, you know, Coventry definitely deserved to win.
28:10But Ivo Pando was brilliant and did not deserve to lose.
28:13You know, the saves he pulled off.
28:16He's gone, though.
28:16Yeah, he has.
28:18Yeah.
28:19It was a really, really strange one.
28:23It felt like just a game ticked off and out of the way.
28:28And, yeah, you take a point and you do that, really.
28:31But I say, when you look at the goal, you know, Matt Grimes hits a fairly weak shot
28:38that's going wide of the goal, hits a defender and goes in.
28:43You know, part of you thinks it could have been so much better.
28:46But equally, you know, after a first half where Coventry had had loads of chances,
28:52Hull had only had really one chance of note, but it was a heck of a chance.
28:55It's, you know, Casey Palmer really should have scored.
28:58You took all those things into the mix and then that on goal and you think,
29:01oh, it's going to be one of those days.
29:02You know, they're going to lose here.
29:05So to not lose was a bonus.
29:08But again, you know, they've got tricky games coming up.
29:13You know, Swansea away is not going to be fun for them in terms of a test.
29:20I think they've probably got enough, but you really wouldn't like to better know.
29:26You know, every, it's the same every division at this time of every season.
29:31Every time you think a team's done a dusted, they go and beat Sheffield United at home
29:35or whatever, you know.
29:37You can't, you can't bank on anything.
29:40You can't rely on anything.
29:41But I do feel that there's more resilience around Hull City than clearly there was
29:48at the start of the season.
29:50And the home form's better, but still not good enough.
29:54It feels like they're edging towards it rather than doing what all the fans want them to do,
29:59obviously, and giving them a nice last couple of weeks of the season.
30:04Yeah, they've had a look at the games.
30:06They've got some huge games, haven't they?
30:08Derby at home, they're down there.
30:11Probably on the last day.
30:12They've got something on the last day.
30:13I think, you know, it'd be funny, so the way it might suit Hull going away on the last day
30:18a little bit more than having, if they potentially had to stay up in front of the home fans.
30:23I mean, they've had some real dodgy and edgy result performances.
30:28Obviously, the Luton game a few weeks ago.
30:30It might not necessarily be a bad thing, but from a Hull perspective,
30:34you've got to hope that they've got it done and dusted by them.
30:40But you just wouldn't put your mortgage on it.
30:43No, they just don't feel like they're going to do it the easy way, do they?
30:45No.
30:46I mean, it has a look of one there that I could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong.
30:52I certainly hope I'm wrong that it isn't Hull, but I think there's a good chance there
30:55that somebody's out of the bottom three on the last day, could lose, drop in,
31:01and then it's goodnight Eileen, really.
31:03You know, there's one or two still down there, isn't there?
31:06Obviously, Stoke have still got to play three of the Yorkshire clubs, isn't it?
31:11They've got to play both Sheffield clubs, and they've got to play Leeds.
31:15So, they got a big result last week, but they're not quite out of it yet.
31:18But, yeah, there's a fair bit of intrigue, and I'm with Stuart.
31:22I think Hull will just about have enough.
31:25They have improved in terms of their organisation, that they can get at least one win,
31:33maybe a couple of draws to get themselves out of it.
31:35But, yeah, it's squeaky bum time.
31:38Yeah, I mean, you're not going to have both if you're down at the wrong end of the table,
31:43but you really need to have a goalkeeper who can bail you out,
31:47or a striker who can score goals from nowhere.
31:49Hull don't have the second one, but they at least have Pandora at the moment.
31:53Exactly.
31:53Now, I wanted to focus our attention on Rotherham United,
31:58who have announced that Matt Hamshaw has become their new permanent manager.
32:03What did you make of this decision, and what do both he and the board have to do
32:07to ensure that the Millers have a better season next season, Leon?
32:14Oh, God, it's been a dreadful season, hasn't it, really?
32:17And, yeah, it's going to take him a lot of time, isn't it?
32:21It's not just been a dreadful season, I think, on the pitch in terms of results.
32:26I just think the club's totally lost its way, it's lost its mojo, it's lost its playing identity.
32:37You know, they've brought a lot of players.
32:39It's sort of jammed today, almost, if Steve Evans is trying to get up at the first time of asking.
32:44It's been nowhere near it, really.
32:47And for Rotherham, you sort of look at them, and for them, is it just about going up?
32:54How are they going to, if their ultimate goal is to become a lower-end championship club,
33:01how are they going to build an identity?
33:02How are they going to bring the young players through?
33:04How are they going to be a destination that, you know, the teams in the Premier League think,
33:08yeah, there's quite a few teams in for a couple of our promising players.
33:14Let's send them to Rotherham and look at all the good work that they're doing there.
33:17There's just none of that at the minute, and they're just, it's such a big job, isn't it?
33:21They've got to, you know, rebuild the playing foundations of the club.
33:25They don't have a great record of young players coming through.
33:29As I've said, it's not a place where you see many promising loan players going there at the minute.
33:36And, you know, to be fair to Matt Hamshaw, he's sort of been there in the times of plenty under Paul Warren,
33:43where, you know, a club reconnected with a fan base.
33:47They've got a playing identity that Rotherham United fans could buy into.
33:52You know, similar time as well, Warren and Hamshaw,
33:55when Richie Barker came in after a bit of a horrendous time of it,
34:00when Rotherham were relegated, I think they only won four or five games,
34:04and he just didn't know which way they were going.
34:06So, I think more important than anything, I mean, ultimately,
34:10you know, if Rotherham are going to go back in the Championship
34:12and stop this yo-yo of up and down,
34:15they're going to have to do it by just sort of building an identity,
34:20bringing in young, talented players and there's just a hell of a lot to do.
34:26But I think it's a good time for Matt Hamshaw to strike out on his own.
34:31He's, what is he now, 43, 44 in his mid...
34:33You know, he's fairly experienced.
34:35He's got a lot of experience at promotions,
34:38not just at Rotherham, but at Derby County as well.
34:42He's got a passion for the club.
34:43It's his hometown club.
34:44He didn't sign there as a player,
34:46but he's obviously become the manager from a family of Miller supporters.
34:52But it's going to take time to rebuild that,
34:57you know, not just the first-team squad,
34:59but I think everything around it.
35:01We've spoken before about training, ground issues,
35:05this, that and the other, and recruitment.
35:08There's just so much, you know,
35:09previous managers have alluded to it,
35:11Liam Richardson especially.
35:12There's going to be so much,
35:14there's so much work to do there.
35:16And it's not just going to be about, you know,
35:18success in terms of finishing the playoff
35:21or getting promoted next year.
35:23Yeah, I feel it's a slightly,
35:26not a strange one, not a funny one,
35:28but I feel like Rotherham
35:30have made this appointment sooner than they needed to.
35:34I just feel like, you know,
35:36it's very similar to Barnsley and Huddersfield.
35:39They've given a caretaker an extended period of time
35:42and why not give them that full period of time
35:45to feel one another out.
35:49And it's not just about Rotherham
35:51getting a sense of Hampshire.
35:54It's about Hampshire having a proper look under the bonnet.
35:57Yeah.
35:57And actually being able to say from day one,
36:01look, I need this, I need that
36:02to address those sort of problems that Leon gets.
36:05Obviously, there will have been some of those conversations.
36:07It's been alluded to that, you know,
36:10and they've had discussions about the coaching staff going on.
36:13But I just think, I just think there was no need.
36:15I mean, you know, it's been mentioned that Hampshire had other offers,
36:18but let's be honest, if, if Rotherham had said to Hampshire,
36:22look, we'll make a decision the week after the season finishes,
36:25I'm sure he would have been patient enough
36:28to wait that long for Rotherham United.
36:30He might not have been for another club,
36:31but because it's Rotherham, because it's his club,
36:33he could have done it.
36:35I do think it's, this isn't to say that I think it's a bad decision.
36:38If he had to make the decision now,
36:40I would definitely go for Matt Hampshire.
36:43You know, I do think he's, I do think he's a coach on the move,
36:46but why not just take a bit more time?
36:48You know, I always think with a caretaker,
36:52I think it's helpful if you've, if you've seen him lose a game.
36:55And that has happened with Hampshire,
36:56but it only happened on Saturday.
36:58The income was only dry on the contract on Tuesday.
37:00We haven't seen the reaction in the game,
37:02from the players to him, of him to the players,
37:04of the chairman to him, you know, all these sort of things.
37:07And I just feel like it's,
37:09there's such a lot of things that need to go forward.
37:11I think they would have got to the point of a point in Hampshire anyway,
37:14but why not just take a bit more time to be a bit clearer
37:17about what is needed to go forward?
37:19Because as Leon says, there are lots of,
37:21there are lots of things to be addressed
37:23if you want to make this a stable platform to progress
37:27rather than just the trampoline act
37:29of getting back into the championship.
37:32So, good luck to him.
37:35I say, I do, I do think he's a good choice.
37:37I think it's nice on a,
37:38it's nice on a sentimental value level
37:41to see someone who knows the club,
37:43you know, get the job and carry it on.
37:45And I think on a footballing sense,
37:46I think it's very sound.
37:48I think he's, you know, he's,
37:50he'll have seen a lot of things at,
37:52you know, a different club,
37:53a club that's been in the Premier League,
37:55like Derby County,
37:57been through a hard time since.
37:58He'll have learned a lot from that.
37:59I think, I think he's a good choice,
38:02but I just think,
38:04I just think they could have taken a bit longer over it.
38:07I mean, off the top of my head,
38:09I think probably the most successful caretaker manager
38:13in the Premier League this season
38:14is probably Ruud van Nistelrooy.
38:15He won three games and drew one
38:17and one of the least successful permanent managers.
38:21You know, you can get,
38:21you can get suckered in by a few games.
38:24You know, if you were,
38:24if you were making the decision at Barnsley now,
38:27you might look at it and say,
38:28well, Conor Horan's only won one game.
38:30No thanks.
38:31But if he wins the next four,
38:32suddenly it's,
38:33it's five wins on the chart.
38:35I just think,
38:36I just think at Rotherham,
38:38there needs to be a bit more focus
38:39on the longer term,
38:41on the,
38:42on the,
38:42the bigger pitch.
38:43And I'm sure,
38:44I'm sure Hamshall will do that,
38:46but it's easier to have those discussions
38:48before you put your name on the contract
38:50than go back to the chairman
38:52in a couple of weeks' time saying,
38:53I also need this.
38:54We also need to look at that.
38:56I wasn't aware of this.
38:58So,
38:59so good luck to him.
39:00I think it's a good appointment,
39:01but I think that there's some,
39:03some tough,
39:04tough discussions coming down the line.
39:07And I just hope that the chairman
39:09and the board are,
39:10are receptive to doing the hard graft
39:14and the,
39:14and the dirty bits that,
39:16that need sorting out.
39:17So that Rotherham can progress
39:19on a more sustainable basis after,
39:22as Leon says,
39:22probably three pretty miserable seasons
39:25of,
39:26of,
39:26of decline and of losing your identity
39:28and,
39:28and losing your way really.
39:30Yeah.
39:31I think,
39:31yeah,
39:31I think that the sensible points
39:33that you've made there Stuart,
39:34I just think they haven't got much money
39:36have they basically.
39:37Yeah.
39:38I think that's,
39:39and I think,
39:40I think part of it is also sort of guided
39:43a little bit by,
39:44by season tickets.
39:45I don't know what you think.
39:45I mean,
39:45it's,
39:46it can sort of,
39:47at least they can sort of market.
39:48The local boy does good.
39:51You know,
39:51I don't think it is just sentiment.
39:53You know,
39:53he's,
39:54you know,
39:55he's been involved with four teams
39:57who,
39:57who,
39:57who've been promoted.
39:58They can sort of,
39:59they can market that a little bit.
40:01And if they haven't,
40:01you know,
40:02haven't got a,
40:03a lot of money,
40:04which a lot of low division,
40:06um,
40:06clubs,
40:07you know,
40:08clubs haven't really.
40:08And they've still got some decent,
40:10I think a big aspect of it.
40:12They've still got some players
40:13who were on decent money
40:14from the championship days there,
40:16haven't they?
40:16And,
40:17uh,
40:17if you're going to realign your,
40:18your squad,
40:19it's not,
40:19I don't think it's going to be straightforward
40:21sort of,
40:22um,
40:22getting them out that way.
40:23But yeah,
40:24I,
40:24I take your point.
40:25You could have,
40:26you could have potentially waited
40:27for the end of the season
40:29and then you can see some,
40:30which candidates might,
40:32you know,
40:32more of a bigger,
40:33bigger pool of candidates.
40:35Some,
40:35some managers who've been,
40:37been successful at previous clubs
40:39might be sort of looking,
40:40looking for a change in the summer.
40:42You know,
40:42for instance,
40:42for sake of argument,
40:43and I'm not saying this is happening,
40:45you know,
40:45Dave Artel,
40:46at Grimsby,
40:48Grimsby getting the playoffs,
40:49maybe they don't go up.
40:50He's,
40:50he's an ex,
40:51he's got connections with Rotherham,
40:53an ex-Rotherham player.
40:54He's done well at Crewe,
40:55he's done well at Grimsby.
40:57You know,
40:57he could have been someone potentially in the mix,
40:59just,
41:00just one name off the top of my head.
41:02But,
41:02um,
41:03I can see the sense in,
41:05um,
41:05I can see the sense in Hampshire.
41:07I think it's part of it.
41:07Who else could they have
41:08sort of got really?
41:10Yeah.
41:11I think it's more just about
41:12learning more about each other,
41:14just to be more sure of themselves.
41:16Yeah.
41:16You know,
41:17I say,
41:17I think they probably would have got to the,
41:19I think they probably would have got to the same point.
41:21And,
41:21and,
41:22you know,
41:22when I was said and done,
41:23we're only another three weeks and you'll have had twice as many matches.
41:27You know,
41:28you can,
41:28you can,
41:29you can put off,
41:29I think anyway,
41:31you know,
41:31I think you can put off that season ticket money for a couple of weeks.
41:37You're in charge of when these early bird offers and that sort of thing.
41:39No,
41:39you can,
41:40you can,
41:41you can easily do that,
41:42but it just,
41:43to me,
41:44it just speaks a bit to the mindset,
41:46which saw Steve Evans appointed.
41:48If it's a bit of a,
41:49yeah,
41:50it's a bit of a,
41:51bit of a rush to,
41:52to just go down the short term routes when it really needs a poor.
41:56And as Leon says,
41:58money is an issue.
41:59So you need to think even more cleverly then about how you spend your money and how you,
42:03how you get the most out of it.
42:05But,
42:05um,
42:06I don't want to be negative about it.
42:07I do think it's good choice.
42:09And I do,
42:10you know,
42:10I do really hope,
42:12um,
42:12really hope this,
42:13this can work out.
42:15But,
42:15um,
42:15yeah,
42:16that's just,
42:16that's just my,
42:17that's just my,
42:18my take on it.
42:19Yeah.
42:20I think the bottom line is it's just a huge job,
42:23isn't it?
42:24It is.
42:24Whether it was Hampshire or anybody,
42:26somebody else.
42:27I mean,
42:27it's,
42:27um,
42:29given the sort of,
42:30you know,
42:30it's been very scattergun,
42:32hasn't it?
42:32The sort of recruitment managers and not just managers,
42:35but players as well.
42:36You know,
42:37and,
42:37uh,
42:38you know,
42:38if you get your,
42:40you know,
42:40if you,
42:41recruitment's not,
42:42not on point,
42:43it's,
42:44it takes,
42:44it takes a while to sort of a few windows to get it right,
42:47really,
42:47doesn't it?
42:47But,
42:48yeah,
42:49you,
42:49you,
42:49somewhere you just wish Hampshire the best one in the world because it is its dream job,
42:54isn't it?
42:54Yeah.
42:54Yeah.
42:55Yeah.
42:55Yeah.
42:55And finally for this week,
42:57I will look to Leon for his team of the week before turning to Stuart for his player of the week.
43:01So Leon,
43:02who have you decided deserves the team of the week title this week?
43:06Well,
43:06I've been in a little bit in the doldrums of late.
43:08So I think a nod to Barnsley,
43:11I think in fairness and,
43:12and,
43:13you know,
43:13Stuart has been speaking about sort of caretaking managers.
43:16Connor Hurard is,
43:17by all accounts,
43:18he's done a lot of good work there on,
43:19on the training ground.
43:20He's,
43:20he's impressed a lot of,
43:22a lot of people.
43:23Big on high standards.
43:25If you're late,
43:25you won't play.
43:26And he's already,
43:27he's already,
43:28he's already been to a couple of players for,
43:31for that,
43:31for the odd game,
43:33you know,
43:33high profile ones as well.
43:35You know,
43:36in,
43:36I mean,
43:36Adam Phillips and,
43:38yeah,
43:39I mean,
43:39it's a,
43:39it's a classic club,
43:41Barnsley,
43:41where,
43:42you know,
43:42they've gone for the playoffs,
43:43they've had a rough run of form,
43:45the season's petering out and,
43:47you know,
43:48you can get this time of year,
43:49players feeling sorry for themselves.
43:51Some of them will be out of contact thinking,
43:53you know,
43:54just,
43:54just lacking that sort of psychological edge.
43:57And yeah,
43:58I was just pleased for everybody there.
43:59A big game against Bolton who were,
44:01um,
44:02obviously pushing for,
44:04pushing for,
44:05uh,
44:05for the top six and promotion,
44:07a bigger way end,
44:08you know,
44:08I think three or 4,000 Bolton fans.
44:10And,
44:11you know,
44:11it's been a lousy season for Barnsley in terms of,
44:14in terms of home numbers and sort of saving a bit of the,
44:18bit of the best till last really.
44:20Although you look at some of the wins,
44:21you know,
44:21they've had some,
44:22the teams that sort of beaten,
44:24they haven't beaten that many,
44:25but you know,
44:26you look at Wrexham,
44:26you look at the big derby against Rotherham,
44:29Bolton,
44:29they've sort of got it in them,
44:30haven't they?
44:31In certain games,
44:32but I think it's too many of the bread and butter ones where they haven't done it.
44:35But yeah,
44:36pleased for,
44:36for Hurrahan,
44:37he spoke well in,
44:39in his,
44:39in his press,
44:40press briefings,
44:41he's,
44:42he's ambitious and he's driven and,
44:44determined to make a success of management,
44:47but for all the good work you're doing in the working week,
44:49you want to win,
44:50don't you?
44:50On a Saturday or Tuesday,
44:52just,
44:52just for your own,
44:53you know,
44:54sense of wellbeing and confidence a little bit.
44:57So,
44:57pleased for him and,
44:58and the Barnsley supporters as well.
45:00It's,
45:02they've been served up a fair bit of gruel this season,
45:04so I'll,
45:05I'll go for Barnsley.
45:06Yeah.
45:06And Stuart,
45:07who have you decided on the player of the week this week?
45:10Well,
45:10I mean,
45:10just in that,
45:11in that same theme,
45:12I say,
45:12I think,
45:13I think from the day Conor Huren was appointed,
45:16I think,
45:16you know,
45:17a bit like John Worthington,
45:18a bit like Matt Hamshaw,
45:19I think everyone wanted it to be a success.
45:22So hopefully they can have a really strong finish.
45:25I think also falling into that same category,
45:27definitely,
45:28is Fabio Gelo,
45:29you know,
45:30an exciting young player who's,
45:32who's come through there.
45:33We've been,
45:34we've been excited about him for two or three years.
45:36He's never really had the opportunity to nail things down.
45:39So him scoring a couple of goals in that game,
45:43all of those,
45:44all of these clubs we mentioned,
45:45all clubs,
45:45really,
45:46you need young players to come through,
45:48save you a few quid,
45:49build you a bit of excitement.
45:50And particularly an attacking player like him,
45:52it's great to,
45:53great to see him doing well.
45:55Obviously got to mention Calen Kavanagh with his hat trick.
45:59Maybe might,
45:59might celebrate a bit more,
46:02a bit more reserve way in future,
46:04but we all know.
46:06They score a watcher and don't win,
46:08don't they,
46:08Christ?
46:08Exactly.
46:09And we,
46:09you know,
46:10we all know,
46:11we all know that when Andy Cook got injured,
46:13that was the big worry.
46:15Kavanagh wasn't scoring goals at that time.
46:1613.
46:18Exactly.
46:18Really stepped up,
46:19really top draw stuff.
46:22Watching Leeds the other week,
46:23it was good to see Mayer Solomon playing so well.
46:26He'd been really poor at Luton the previous week.
46:28He'd kind of been emblematic of,
46:30of where things were with Leeds in terms of his form over that period.
46:33So to see him doing well was,
46:35I mean,
46:35he was really good.
46:36That was,
46:36that was,
46:37that was good to see.
46:38Jadon Bogle continues to just have an excellent season for them,
46:41but I'll go back to someone I mentioned earlier.
46:44I've got to be honest with you at the start of the season,
46:46when he was playing league football for the first time,
46:49I was not convinced about Ivo Pando at all.
46:52Yeah.
46:52But we've seen it time and again with goalkeepers who come into English
46:59football for the first time,
47:00they can look absolutely out of their depth and,
47:04and really grow into it.
47:06And I think as things,
47:08as,
47:08as squeaky bum times got squeakier,
47:11he's really stood up to the plate.
47:13I mean,
47:13he made five really good saves to,
47:15to keep Hull in it.
47:17And it's not a one-off,
47:18you know,
47:18he's been playing really well recently.
47:20So hats off to him.
47:23Hull have found a really good one there.
47:25The chairman's found a really good one there and been a bit critical at
47:29times of his sort of over-involvement in,
47:32in,
47:32in recruitment,
47:34but he's a player the chairman really believes in.
47:36And yeah,
47:37he's living up to his billing.
47:39He's doing a really good job.
47:40Really good to see.
47:41Yeah.
47:48Many thanks to Stuart Rayner and Leon Wobbrell,
48:01who will doubtless join us again soon for more discussions on the Yorkshire
48:04football scene.
48:05But don't forget,
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48:30As ever,
48:30many thanks for listening.
48:31Look after yourselves,
48:32and bye for now.
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