The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 10
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00:00T-I-R-L-S, it's my girls, and yes, we came to step.
00:04T-I-R-L-S, it's my girls, and yes, ha, ha.
00:09This is for the girls, this is for the girls,
00:11all around the world, all around the world.
00:13If you've got it, come and get it, come and get it,
00:15come and get it, come and get it, come and get it,
00:17come and get it, come and get it, come and get it.
00:20Hi!
00:20Hi.
00:21Hey!
00:21How are you?
00:22Good.
00:22How are you?
00:23Oh, I'm good.
00:24Good.
00:24I brought you a little present.
00:26Oh, my gosh.
00:26What is it?
00:27I'm opening it.
00:28just because you weren't at the girls' trip
00:29and we missed you.
00:30So, I wanted to bring you something back from New Orleans.
00:33That's so nice of you.
00:34Can you open it?
00:35Look at it.
00:36Let me hold baby.
00:37I feel really bad that I didn't stick up for Taylor
00:38at the Staten Center's party and in New Orleans.
00:41And I'm honestly really sick of Demi's behavior recently.
00:44And I want to make up for not being able to stick up for her
00:46and be a better friend.
00:47And that's all going to start with beignets.
00:49How was the trip?
00:51It was good.
00:53New Orleans is definitely different.
00:55Oh, beignets.
00:56Oh, how fun.
00:57You have New Orleans at home.
00:58Cute.
00:59You don't even have to leave Utah.
01:01Do you want me to grab him back or?
01:03Honestly, I'll take him.
01:03Okay.
01:04I'm obsessed with him.
01:05That'd be great.
01:06Adore him.
01:07Single mom life, it's so freaking hard.
01:09Yeah.
01:09I just know he's so tired, but he fights sleep, so.
01:14So, what was your reasoning for not coming?
01:18I just felt like with the Staten Center party,
01:21I felt very alone.
01:22So, I felt like I didn't want to go into a trip
01:26being in that same spot.
01:28And then I feel like with Demi bringing up
01:30my lowest point in my life, it's just insane.
01:33So, should we talk about
01:34the way that you treat your boyfriend?
01:36It's not okay.
01:37He has some of my history.
01:38Let's go ask Dakota.
01:40Go out and bring him.
01:41I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
01:44She went to a different level.
01:45And so, I just felt like I didn't want to be
01:47in a house with her for the weekend.
01:49Yeah.
01:52Okay.
01:54You need a little jumper?
01:56Those things are the best.
01:57I know.
01:58Because it keeps them contained.
01:59I think definitely there's hard feelings
02:02that she has towards you still.
02:03Because in Marlene, she said that if you're in Montauk,
02:06then she would leave Montauk.
02:09Bitch, what?
02:10Like, you're a bully in what world?
02:11Not only to me, but half the group.
02:14You are not some saint that you think you are.
02:18No, she needs Jesus.
02:20That's true.
02:21Hi.
02:22Hey.
02:22I was going to come get the door,
02:23but I know you always walk in.
02:24Oh, hey.
02:25How's it going?
02:26You look pretty.
02:27Oh, you're so nice.
02:28Oh, just working today, so.
02:30Oh, are you?
02:31How's everything going with you?
02:32I haven't seen you in a minute.
02:33I'm just filling her in on New Orleans drama.
02:35Oh, was there a lot of drama?
02:37I think just Demi has a lot of very harsh feeling
02:42towards Tay right now.
02:44And just basically like her general consensus
02:47was just that if Taylor's in Montauk,
02:50she doesn't want to be in Montauk.
02:51No way.
02:51Yeah.
02:52Oh my, well, let her go.
02:54Hey.
02:55Hey.
02:56Hey, buddy.
02:57You want to get out?
02:57Hey, buddy.
02:58I'm trying to talk.
02:59You said, I am a musician.
03:01He is so cute.
03:02So I guess, with that being said,
03:04I feel like it's going to make things like super awkward
03:06that she's throwing the Christmas party.
03:10But it's like her thing.
03:13What?
03:16Babe, I don't think you're going to go to that.
03:17Why?
03:18Why?
03:20Demi probably doesn't want you there.
03:22Then why did she invite me?
03:24I think that she may have accidentally invited you.
03:28That she maybe forgot you're on that group thread.
03:30And then sent out the invite.
03:34I don't know what he's trying to do or where he's going.
03:37Did you already buy your dress and everything to go?
03:40Yeah, I had everything planned.
03:42That sucks.
03:42Yeah.
03:43It's obviously unfortunate because it's just like,
03:45I feel like she's trying to turn everyone against me
03:47and I don't like that.
03:49I wouldn't either.
03:51The only thing less Mormon
03:53than being uninvited to a Christmas party
03:55would be uninvited to a baby blessing
03:57and both have happened to me.
03:58And I feel like karma's a bitch,
04:00so I'm going to let it do its thing.
04:02I'm not going to tell you not to come
04:03to the Christmas party.
04:05I think that's your say.
04:06You're a grown woman
04:07and you can make your own decisions for yourself.
04:08But I will say that it probably won't go over well
04:13if you do come.
04:14Or I can just go crash their party for you.
04:18I'll put my boxing gloves on.
04:21I would never really want to go to a party
04:23that I'm uninvited to,
04:24but I'm not letting Jimmy off the hook that easily.
04:27If you want to push me out,
04:28you're going to have to say it to my face.
04:31One.
04:47♪ You got everything you could ever want ♪
04:50♪ Try me and you'll see I'll bring you to your knees ♪
04:54♪ Baby, you're gonna believe me ♪
04:57♪ Push, push, push, push, push, push, push ♪
05:00♪ Push, push, push, push, push, push, push, push, push! ♪
05:14♪ There's no hope without the party ♪
05:20All I want for Christmas is
05:25a Pink Belly.
05:27♪ La la, la la, la la la la ♪
05:30♪ She's taken for a ride la la la, la la la la la ♪
05:35After New Orleans it's just been so noisy and chaotic
05:39and I'm wanting to wrap up
05:41the year of mom talk in a positive way.
05:45Hello!
05:48Shut up!
05:50You look stunning!
05:51You look amazing!
05:53Oh beautiful.
05:54I love this color on you.
05:57Hi.
05:57Hello.
05:58Welcome.
05:59Hi.
06:00Hi.
06:01Gorgeous.
06:03No, like literally, I don't know who you are.
06:05What?
06:06I'm like weirded out.
06:07I'm like, I don't, you really don't look like yourself.
06:11I have vocally expressed how I don't really see a need
06:15for Taylor in mom talk.
06:17I don't know where everyone else kind of falls in with that,
06:20but I am just hoping that this night proves
06:22we're better off without her
06:24and that we can experience a new place
06:25that we've never been before.
06:27Oh, they got blankets.
06:28It's so pretty, the lake.
06:30Yeah, it's so pretty.
06:30The snow.
06:32To me, even the red coat.
06:33Yeah.
06:34You're so monochromatic today.
06:36You look like a mob wife.
06:37I know.
06:38So fancy.
06:39I know.
06:40I'm glad you guys were all here.
06:41Fulfilling my fantasies.
06:43Everyone looks so cute.
06:45Oh, oh, shit.
06:46Are you okay?
06:47She went down.
06:48Oh no.
06:48Hi, how are you?
06:49Good, we're fine.
06:51He's inside feeding Billy.
06:52I know.
06:53Okay, we have to go inside.
06:54My toes are literally gonna fall off.
06:56Hi.
06:57Oh my God, you look amazing.
06:59You guys look amazing.
07:03I'm gonna bust out some champagne
07:04for those that want it.
07:05I know you two are pregnant.
07:07We get first dibs.
07:13I love champagne.
07:14Did you get real champagne?
07:14Yeah, I did.
07:15I've never had champagne.
07:16Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:20I always feel like these events are supposed to be fun,
07:22but Demi's basically trying to kick Taylor out of MomTalk
07:25and it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable situation
07:28between her and Taylor and it just doesn't feel fair.
07:30Thank you all for coming tonight.
07:31This was such a special night.
07:33Cheers to another year of MomTalk surviving
07:37and to many more years to come.
07:40Love you all.
07:41Merry Christmas.
07:42Merry Christmas.
07:43Cheers.
07:44No, hold, hold, hold, hold.
07:45Perfect.
07:46PS, dad talk.
07:48So far so good.
07:49Tonight is going amazing.
07:51Oh, more meatballs.
07:52Perfect.
07:53I feel like there's going to be minimal drama
07:54because Taylor's not here
07:57and things are looking up for us right now.
08:02Oh wait, I want a chicken.
08:03What are you guys whispering about?
08:05Don't you know what our whole group is known for?
08:07Secrets.
08:09Okay, let's go set.
08:19Hi, Leah.
08:19Hello.
08:21How are you?
08:22Good, how are you?
08:23Good.
08:24Oh shit.
08:24What are you doing?
08:27Just coming to drop off a present.
08:30Did you come bearing gifts?
08:33Yes.
08:33Who is this for?
08:34For you, from Taylor.
08:36What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:38Let your daughter fight her own battles, please.
08:41I would never be caught dead in this situation
08:44if this were my daughter.
08:45Did you just come alone?
08:46Yeah, I just came alone.
08:47Things have been nuts.
08:48Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute?
08:49Sure, let's do it.
08:51This is such an interesting, weird situation.
08:54This feels like when she called you
08:56for not showing up to Taylor's shower.
08:58Leanne.
09:00Hey, Whitney?
09:01Yeah.
09:02This is Leanne, Tay's mom.
09:03How's it going?
09:05Good, what's up?
09:06Good.
09:07I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:09Your mom called Whitney.
09:11Oh my gosh.
09:13I mean, to be frank, this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:18So what's going on?
09:19What's going on with Taylor?
09:20Oh, I don't know.
09:21That's what I was kind of wanting to find out from you.
09:25Yeah.
09:26You know, the obvious elephant in the room
09:28is just kind of the online stuff that's been going on.
09:32I kind of was like with her on this.
09:34This was such a huge thing for her to go
09:37and be on the CMAs.
09:39And I thought that was odd too, that none of you guys.
09:43It just kind of seems weird.
09:44Like, are they jealous of you?
09:45You know, like, are they mad
09:47because they didn't get picked to go?
09:49Like, okay, yes, that was strange.
09:50We all can agree.
09:51Like, do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:53I think she did it like as, like, like funny,
09:56like being really catty and was like petty, you know?
09:59And she did it.
10:00And then it just got out of hand.
10:01Do you think that she needs someone to go over there?
10:04Yeah.
10:08You're voted in.
10:09Yeah, it's you, you're the best friend.
10:14This has gotten to the point where I've seen it happen
10:16with other people.
10:17I've watched it happen online,
10:19mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota calling,
10:21saying all the things that are happening
10:23behind closed doors in their relationship.
10:24So, so that's what is concerning to me.
10:27It's like, you care about her wellbeing
10:28or her family or whatever,
10:30but it just seems like you want to be like Queen B.
10:33No, Leigh-Anne.
10:34And trying to be like,
10:35okay, let's get Taylor out of the picture
10:37because now I want to be Taylor.
10:41I've listened to Taylor's side for three years
10:43and I understand that the situation at hand is toxic.
10:48That's where we're like, walk away.
10:49Like stop doing it for the kids.
10:50Oh yes.
10:51Okay, you're good.
10:52Okay, cool.
10:53As a friend, you should go try to see like,
10:55what's wrong with you, Taylor?
10:57What can I do to get you like some help?
11:01What can I do to make your load less?
11:03I mean, she's a single mom.
11:05I hope you understood.
11:06And I've been a single mom as well.
11:08And I've gone through very similar things that she has.
11:11I have texted her over 30 times,
11:13just texting her to check in on her.
11:15To me, it was a single mom for a month.
11:19Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:21Not once.
11:22Because right now-
11:22Not one time.
11:23I mean, right now she can't.
11:24It's been three years.
11:25She is-
11:26I know, but she never has.
11:27She never has.
11:29More than anything, I just like,
11:31want to be there for Demi.
11:33And this conversation is just getting more and more heated.
11:36I mean, I get it.
11:37Like Leigh-Anne is Taylor's mom.
11:39She wants to stand up for Taylor,
11:40but I'm just like, why are you enabling this behavior?
11:43Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:46Why isn't your daughter in the wrong?
11:47How can you not see that?
11:49I want you to know in the three years,
11:50I've also gone through a divorce.
11:52I've dealt with fertility issues,
11:54marital, financial issues,
11:56and not one time in three years
11:58has she called and checked in on me.
12:00And that's not just me.
12:01That's the group.
12:13Uh-oh, I think Leigh-Anne's upset.
12:14She's like, come on.
12:15She's like, I'm excited.
12:17She is a great person.
12:19Like, she's the one that brought you guys all together,
12:21whether you think so or not.
12:24When she was in her deepest,
12:30deepest part of her life, you know,
12:32like all her friends that like just disowned her.
12:34And to see her,
12:37her friends, her so-called friends, like bash her.
12:42I'm so sick, especially with Taylor,
12:45of her getting a pass
12:46because she's going through hard things
12:48and saying, well, that's just how she is.
12:51Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:52This sucks.
12:53Fucking sucked for us too.
13:01Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
13:03This sucked.
13:04Fucking sucked for us too.
13:05Stop posting online.
13:07Actually care about your friends like we care about you.
13:11There's no way to spin this as though she's the victim.
13:14She's not the victim here.
13:15Is Demi for real right now?
13:16I can't believe she's yelling and cussing at Leigh-Anne,
13:19especially because we're taught in the church
13:20to treat others with respect.
13:22And yeah, it's just very inappropriate.
13:24She does not get my sympathy anymore.
13:26She needs help.
13:27She needs to go to therapy
13:29and she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:33Ho, ho, ho.
13:37This is a fever dream, you guys.
13:39Holy cow.
13:40The timing is impeccable.
13:43I'm looking for the nice girl.
13:45Zach, is that you?
13:46Are you from Pippendales?
13:48Hello.
13:49Hi.
13:50Oh, the naughty one.
13:51Where's the naughty one?
13:52She's the naughtiest.
13:54I hope Santa brings their new group of friends.
13:57Just kidding.
13:58What do you girls want for Christmas?
14:00Peace and mom talk.
14:01Peace and mom talk.
14:02Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray for her.
14:05I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
14:07I really do.
14:08I appreciate that.
14:08OK.
14:09I'm going to let you guys finish your conversation.
14:11I'm going to go see Santa.
14:12Yeah.
14:13OK.
14:13Um, is it snowing or is that fake?
14:16Oh, yeah.
14:17Is that fake or is that real?
14:18You guys, the snow.
14:19Oh.
14:20Should we go look at it?
14:21Yeah.
14:22I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:23Really?
14:24I do think that I want to step in and defend Leanne
14:26because I'm really, really shocked by this behavior.
14:28I would never speak to anyone's mother this way.
14:31But to me, it's beyond being reasoned with at this point.
14:34So I think everyone's just like staying quiet to stay safe.
14:37And I think it is very telling that, like, if you sat down
14:40and you, like, talked to each of the girls and you.
14:42Don't mean to interrupt.
14:43Yeah.
14:44Surprise for you outside.
14:45We'll come back to this.
14:46OK.
14:47Oh, I love it.
14:50Oh.
14:51OK, like, right here, babe.
14:55Wow, these are cool.
14:57I don't want to get in it.
14:59In the bubble.
14:59It's like this.
15:00Oh, cute.
15:03Right in the eye.
15:05You know, I didn't mean to come and, like,
15:07just bombard your party.
15:09You know, I.
15:10No, it's OK.
15:10I know that you're a concerned mother.
15:13Anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:15No, that's OK.
15:16I appreciate you talking.
15:18And I'm sure there'll be more to come.
15:19Oh, gosh.
15:21Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves.
15:23So get ready.
15:25It was just so inappropriate all around.
15:29I definitely feel bad for Leanne right now.
15:30She's clearly emotional.
15:32And I don't think it's appropriate for Demi
15:34to be almost fighting her like she's Taylor.
15:37Like, these are all things that they
15:38should be saying to Taylor.
15:39And I don't think it's fair that they're taking it out on Leanne.
15:41Oh, I'm sorry about everything.
15:43I just want you to know, as a mom,
15:45I totally sympathize with where you're coming from.
15:48I'm so sorry.
15:48I know.
15:49I felt like I was listening half the time to Taylor 2.0.
15:52I know.
15:52Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:56I understand Leanne getting emotional.
15:59What I'm having a really hard time with
16:00is that you're sitting in front of people
16:02who she has been an absolute dog shit friend to,
16:06and you're trying to sell me on Taylor being a good person.
16:10Clearly, that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:13It's giving manipulation.
16:15Move it along.
16:18Are you going to open the gift?
16:20Should I open this gift?
16:21I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:23Should I, though?
16:24Yeah.
16:24I want to see what it is.
16:25OK, let's get this out of the way,
16:27because I don't know what it is.
16:28And the track record with gifts in this group is not there it is.
16:32Like, is it ticking at all?
16:34I'm like, it's a bomb!
16:37Give me it.
16:38It's from Taylor.
16:38What?
16:39Oh, from Taylor.
16:41Painless.
16:42Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:44It's PR.
16:45It's JCPR.
16:46I would die.
16:48Oh my god!
16:50Did you give this to her?
16:54Wait, is there a card?
16:55Wait, what the fuck?
16:56It's got to be because of the whole, like,
16:58It's because of the JCPR thing.
17:00Oh my god.
17:01Yeah.
17:02Well, if that, should we invite Leanne back in and say,
17:05I don't know who you know who your daughter is, actually.
17:08Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:09This is just so childish and, yet again, unsurprising.
17:16Well, my thought process was to gift me
17:21Jay-Z style hair products, because I
17:24think everyone in MomTalk should keep her at arm's length.
17:27Because if you can do that to your best friend,
17:29you can do that to any of us.
17:32OK.
17:33I'm going to head out.
17:34Oh, love you.
17:35Love you.
17:36Bye.
17:37MomTalk was originally about not only women supporting women,
17:40but especially mothers supporting other mothers.
17:44I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:46I'm not entirely sure if it's something
17:48I want to be a part of again.
17:49But it's also hard, because I'm like,
17:51MomTalk could be great.
17:53Bye, Miranda.
17:54Thank you for coming, Miranda.
17:56So I thought that with the new year
17:58and being MomTalk and celebrating MomTalk,
18:00I think we need to talk about things, like who's in,
18:03who's not, what's going on.
18:05Oh, OK.
18:06A board meeting?
18:07Yes, a board meeting.
18:07Oh, no.
18:08Business is business all the time.
18:09We're no different, lady.
18:10True.
18:11So let's find a time that works for everyone.
18:13But what does that look like?
18:14Who's coming?
18:16I think everyone come, let them speak their piece,
18:18and then go from there.
18:20I do feel like Miranda's an honorary member at the moment.
18:24We haven't officially brought her in.
18:25So should we do this without her?
18:28We need to get the OGs together for a minute and pass it out.
18:30OK, so everyone but Miranda.
18:32Yes.
18:33I'm really not sure how this meeting is going to go.
18:34But it needs to happen, because Demi is
18:36destroying the soul of MomTalk.
18:38I'm sad, because I did consider Demi my best friend.
18:41But time and time again, she punches down on everyone.
18:43And it's her behavior that reads as destructive to MomTalk,
18:46not Taylor's.
18:48That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:49At what point are people disengaging enough
18:53to where it's like, well, we're not
18:55going to all pull the weight for you.
18:57Like, we're moving forward, and we're rebuilding,
18:59and we're re-establishing things.
19:01It seems to be a running pattern that wherever
19:03Taylor is, chaos follows.
19:05It's never going to end well.
19:07And so I think that this conversation is very
19:10important to the future of MomTalk.
19:12So if you care, come.
19:13If you don't care, then don't be part of it.
19:14You're showing us, yeah.
19:25Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
19:28Ta.
19:29Ta.
19:30Yeah.
19:31Do you think Liz has the big carrots like this?
19:34No way.
19:35Hi, Finn.
19:36Oh, my gosh.
19:37How are you?
19:38Oh, my gosh.
19:39How are you?
19:40So what's going on?
19:41Hi, Jess.
19:42I've been super busy, because I am in the process
19:43of writing a book.
19:44I got a book deal.
19:46What?
19:47Like, officially?
19:48Like, for a publisher?
19:49Yes.
19:50Yes.
19:51MomTalk is supposed to stand for women supporting women.
19:52But the fighting in MomTalk has gotten so out of control.
19:55When I first started social media, my whole goal was to inspire other women with my story.
19:59So writing this book, I'm really hoping I can lead by example.
20:02Come here, Harlow.
20:03It's good to see you guys again.
20:04Good to see you guys.
20:05It's been a minute or two.
20:07My book is about my life story, because I was a sophomore in college when I got pregnant.
20:12And when I was pregnant, Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:15No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the baseball game the other day.
20:18Hudson, he walked the first guy, and then he struck out three in a row.
20:21I can't believe that.
20:22Hudson.
20:23We were so lucky.
20:25That's what I...
20:26If anybody...
20:27I couldn't even believe it.
20:28If anybody...
20:29We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:30I think it's very important for Hudson to know about his dad, because he is half of him.
20:34That's it.
20:35One more.
20:36And there's always going to be that curiosity, and we've always wanted to be very open about it.
20:40And that way, too, he can keep his relationship really good with Jacob.
20:43Come sit down.
20:44Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:45So what are you guys doing?
20:46I'm excited that I could come see you guys, and Hudson can see you guys.
20:49I was going to say, like, I wanted to come, too, because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:53It's obviously a super sensitive subject with Eric and everything, but he's a huge part of my story.
20:58And I don't think I always dealt with my grief.
21:01I don't think you really did deal with it.
21:04Yeah.
21:05It's even harder for me now, as I've gotten older, because I see Hudson, and I see him,
21:08and I'm like, he's eight now.
21:10He's old now.
21:12It reminds me of him, and it's so hard for me.
21:18It still affects me a lot, and I just...
21:22I don't know.
21:26Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car crash.
21:28I truly feel like he was my first love, and so it, like, just destroyed me.
21:33I didn't want to live, to be honest.
21:36And if it wasn't for my son, I don't even know if I'd be here today.
21:40I've never been to, like, the crash site, because I think I'm scared to feel, too.
21:44Because I'm like, well, I'm happy.
21:45I'm like, I don't want to feel sad.
21:47You can't move forward until you deal with it.
21:50There's so much grief and trauma from losing Eric, and I think I've avoided facing it for all these years,
21:53because it's just been too painful.
21:55But I think it's time for me to feel the feelings, finish this book,
21:58and hopefully inspire mom talk in the process.
22:01You were the only one he ever told me that he loved.
22:04Yeah.
22:05And you mattered to him.
22:07Yeah.
22:09So all the more you matter to me.
22:11Yeah.
22:12So I got your back.
22:13Yeah.
22:14We'll keep going.
22:15I know.
22:16I'm telling you, my dear, I promise you, that's what Eric wants.
22:19That's what Eric would want.
22:45Uh-oh, your dad's here.
22:49Hi.
22:50Hey.
22:51Say hi.
22:52He's like your twin, Dakota Jr.
22:55What are you up to?
22:57Not much.
22:58Just working.
22:59Just working?
23:00How are you doing with you and Taylor not being together?
23:03It's like what's best right now, and I think it's the only way to just focus on getting better.
23:08Because a lot of it is just that.
23:10It's like there just needs to be like some peace there.
23:13Yeah.
23:14To like have some clarity and like think.
23:16Yeah.
23:18You know what I'm saying?
23:20Going back to church at all yourself?
23:23Praying, it's like the one thing that can bring some true peace and happiness right now.
23:28Yes, for sure.
23:29That's what's always kept me going is just like prayer.
23:32Like things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:35Yeah.
23:36It is really hard that we're broke up.
23:38I think if I would have been in a better place when I met Taylor, I think I could have seen
23:43the situation differently.
23:45The whole lying thing, that's a very selfish thing that I did.
23:49Being an addict for so long, it was like I was always having to hide that.
23:53Those traits still will come out sometimes, right?
23:56And especially I feel like in a relationship.
23:58And I've learned now the truth will just set you free.
24:01So just say it.
24:02She called me the other day and you know, she was just like emotional.
24:06Yeah.
24:07I think she's doing better since you guys have been separated.
24:11Yeah.
24:12Just like happier.
24:15Oh, I want to.
24:16I just want her to be happy.
24:17I just want her to like be healthy and to, uh, yeah, that's the only thing I want for
24:22Taylor is for her to be in a really good place.
24:25Jeez, dude, what is going on?
24:45Yeah.
24:48This health journey I've been going through has really grounded me during all of this
24:52mom talk drama because it's made me realize how blessed I really am.
24:56It obviously looks crazy, but when I was looking in the mirror, I was like, oh, it's so thin.
25:01Yeah.
25:02Like it's really thin.
25:03The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
25:05Life is so short and it's so precious.
25:07And what's not important is us all yelling at each other as a group of friends.
25:11So leading up to this meeting with mom talk, I have seen very worrisome behavior.
25:15So I think we just need to get things out in the open.
25:17Oh my gosh.
25:18You're back here.
25:19Hi.
25:20I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:21I know.
25:22I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:23Oh, I love it.
25:24I was like, didn't know if you'd even be here.
25:25She definitely gets these two.
25:27So you know her stuff.
25:28So I was like, that's actually perfect.
25:29You're here.
25:30Cause I was going to call you.
25:31Oh no, it's perfect.
25:32I want to like make you come here.
25:33So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:35I honestly like feel drained.
25:37I feel drained too, but it wasn't even about me.
25:40I was like, are they going to like fight?
25:42I was about to say something and Mikaela was like, no.
25:44Like let it happen?
25:45Yeah.
25:46She was like, let it happen.
25:47I was like, we should tell them to go.
25:48And then she was like, no.
25:49I don't know.
25:50I am feeling so conflicted.
25:51Like Demi?
25:52Yeah.
25:53It's hard to like all of a sudden look over.
25:54I see Leanne crying.
25:55Yeah.
25:56I just don't know how she feels like justified though in it.
25:58And I was like, why is she yelling?
26:00I don't know.
26:01I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm like, I feel like this has happened so much with Demi.
26:05And now anytime I see her doing this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
26:09Like I literally feel like I have PTSD.
26:11And I'm like, that's not a healthy friendship.
26:13Friendship should not feel that way.
26:15No.
26:16With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads right now where I'm like, okay, I can't condone
26:21this behavior and back this behavior.
26:23I'm putting myself in Leanne's shoes.
26:25I have someone like that yelling at you.
26:27Basically calling Leanne a terrible mother too is so uncalled for.
26:30Demi's also hurt me pretty deeply.
26:32So I see her through a different lens now.
26:34And with Demi, it's like, if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:37If someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to sue them.
26:39That's what you do to Jen.
26:40That's what you do to me, everyone else.
26:42I'd be pissed if someone did that to me, like a friend.
26:44I mean, now I kind of understand why you ride the fence.
26:46Cause like there's times when I'm like, I just want peace.
26:48Trust me, I know.
26:49Yeah.
26:50It's hard.
26:51Like we're all in this weird friendship.
26:52Yeah.
26:53And it's like, if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be like a mom talk.
26:56I feel like Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up.
26:58And then I see the conversations and I'm like, no.
27:01I don't know if I agree with Demi's definition of loyalty because I don't think she's always
27:06been a loyal friend to Jesse.
27:07I feel like Demi is really heated right now about Taylor, but she was really heated about
27:10Whitney in the past and Jen.
27:12I think there is a lot of friendship mending that has to happen, but Demi's not a good friend.
27:17Friendships are hard.
27:18They are sucky.
27:19There's nothing worse than like dealing with a bad friendship.
27:21It almost like affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:23No, it does because relationships, there's an expectation.
27:25Like we're choosing this together.
27:27Don't screw me over.
27:28Yeah.
27:29Whereas friendships are almost harder because it's like there wasn't that expectation.
27:31So it hurt me more.
27:32Yeah.
27:34I know she was mad at me for siding with Taylor on a few things, but I feel like through the
27:40Italy drama, I've had her back because I'm like, I was there the whole time in Italy.
27:44Like I saw everything and I'm also friends with Marciano and I've like chatted with him
27:48about it and he's like, nothing bad happened.
27:51That was fine.
27:52But I'm like, I've had your back during that.
27:54And even if you did something wrong, I would have your back.
27:56I would.
27:57Exactly.
27:58That's so frustrating.
27:59Just because I happen to agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a bad friend.
28:02There's a lot of gaslighting and manipulation going on.
28:04She's done it to Whitney now.
28:05She's done it to me.
28:06She's now doing it to Taylor.
28:07Like that's a scary friend.
28:08I don't know.
28:09I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need to take a break from Demi.
28:12I don't blame you.
28:13I don't know what's going to happen and I'm like scared.
28:15The real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:18There's too much in life to be like worried about like a friendship.
28:22Like we have enough going on like as moms and like even in your, like your relationship,
28:25like yours is obviously fine.
28:26But like in general, we should be building each other up and not tearing each other down.
28:30I know.
28:32I feel like it's not always like that in our friend group.
28:34A hundred percent it's not.
28:35I'm really hoping we can get back to a place where mom talk is supportive again, but right
28:40now that's not happening and I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe talk about
28:43some hard truths to kind of figure out the future of mom talk.
29:02Tonight, we're finally having the big mom talk meeting to hopefully get to the bottom
29:08of what's eating away at our group.
29:10The escalating tension between Demi and Taylor is so thick right now and it's impossible
29:14for it not to affect mom talk.
29:16It feels like something has got to get tonight because mom talk cannot go on like this.
29:20I don't really want to pick sides, but if I have to, I'm not going to choose the
29:24side of someone that's forcing my hand.
29:26It's time for a reckoning.
29:29There she is.
29:31Wait, it's actually not that bad.
29:33It looks good with the star strip.
29:34It's like surgical super glue.
29:35Yeah.
29:36Is this bruising or is that part of the tape?
29:37Yeah, it's bruising.
29:38It's just weird to like, like they cut my throat open.
29:41That's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:42You get to see it?
29:43No.
29:49Oh, your best friend's here.
29:50Oh, come in.
29:52Are you late?
29:54I am.
29:55I'm always late.
29:59Hello.
30:01How's it going?
30:02Hi.
30:03Thanks for coming.
30:04This is so cute.
30:09Can we go sit down?
30:10Yeah.
30:11Interesting.
30:13Things are already brewing.
30:15Hi.
30:16Hi.
30:17What's your status with Taylor?
30:19I feel like we're fine.
30:20Like we've talked and like, I feel like at this point because she like apologized and
30:23she's been making an effort.
30:24And so I said, that's all I needed to see.
30:26Yeah.
30:27But how are you feeling?
30:28Have you guys talked at all?
30:29We haven't talked.
30:30No.
30:32Since Saints and Sinners?
30:35Yeah.
30:36That's been a long time.
30:38Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:40She is now letting her bad habits and patterns bleed into how mom talk is perceived online.
30:48That's all of our business and reputation.
30:50To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way being the leader.
30:55Trying to get some sugar down my throat so I can put up a good fight.
31:00Because you haven't talked to them since your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
31:04Did she tell you about that?
31:05I heard.
31:08I was excluded from the Christmas party.
31:11So obviously my mom tells me the story and the disrespect Demi has towards my mom and my family.
31:18Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:21Like, when I do argue with her, I will hold my own because I'm done.
31:26So do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:30For sure.
31:31Cue her.
31:32I was just asking if you guys have talked at all since Saints and Sinners.
31:36Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:38I mean, I don't really have anything nice to say, so probably shouldn't say anything.
31:43I don't want to go over there.
31:45It doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:47I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:49It's hard when we're in a group like this, though, because there's a lot on the line for all of us.
31:54We do this as our job, and we're a group of women that people look up to, and I love that we have that.
31:59It's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing that we're still fighting like we're in high school sometimes.
32:03I feel like this is actually the perfect time, though, since Miranda's not here,
32:07to talk about her place in the group and Whitney's place in the group,
32:11and just kind of how you mentioned at the Christmas party that we kind of need to reconvene and chat.
32:15Because we have to run a business, that we have to have guidelines and rules.
32:19But what's the business? I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:22I mean, it was posting together.
32:24But we don't even do that anymore.
32:25Yeah, I know.
32:26I don't even know the last time we all made a video together.
32:29It's past.
32:33We need to decide if it's getting back to that or not.
32:36I feel like we all used to have so much fun in MomTalk.
32:38We would get together and make content, goof around.
32:40And MomTalk is something that's super important to me as a single mom.
32:43It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:45I know that things are really bad right now, but I'm not willing to give up,
32:48and I hope that the other girls are willing to fight for MomTalk, too.
32:52I think for me it comes down to effort.
32:54And if someone comes in, and they're just not really showing that effort,
32:58which I did feel about Miranda in the beginning,
33:00then I'm not interested.
33:01But if they are trying to integrate themselves in,
33:03I think you have to go off of what they're doing.
33:06But again, it's going to be different for everyone.
33:08You guys can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching out to you outside of it,
33:12and I haven't.
33:14Other people haven't.
33:15And then same with Miranda.
33:16Miranda's reaching out to you.
33:17She hasn't reached out to us outside of it.
33:19And so it's hard.
33:20Because I'm not a definite no, but I'm like, I haven't seen that effort.
33:23I guess, how do you feel about Miranda right now?
33:26Personally, I don't have any close friendship with her anymore.
33:32I don't think it'll ever be the same for me.
33:34And I think she came in at a convenience.
33:37So I would say no.
33:39All right, let's just do this right now.
33:41I think with Miranda, we give it more time.
33:43I think it's exactly what we did with Whitney.
33:45And I think that's fair.
33:47I feel good about Whitney.
33:49How do you feel?
33:50I'm good.
33:51I'm happy with the progress.
33:52I'm good.
33:53Same.
33:55I'm fine with it.
33:57I don't honestly care if you are or not in the group.
33:59Because I have my feelings towards you.
34:01And I've given you chances.
34:03And I feel like done dirty after having your back for what?
34:08How did that damage you?
34:09Because I stuck up for Whitney out of everyone when she was the one who hated me.
34:14I did that for her.
34:15When no one liked her.
34:16When no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk, I did.
34:19And when everyone was being mean to her, I was like, I'm not going to participate in this.
34:24I'm not kicking someone while they're down on social media or any of it.
34:26And I literally said that at Miranda's thing.
34:28Even though there's tension here, do you feel like you can coexist with Whitney?
34:32I mean, I finally let her in.
34:33I'm not saying I'm going to be friends with her or anything.
34:35But she can be...
34:36I can be cordial.
34:38Can you coexist?
34:39At this point, I don't think I have to say anything.
34:41I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:43Majority rule.
34:44She's back in.
34:45Confetti.
34:48Of course I'm happy.
34:49Majority rules.
34:50I'm not sure.
34:51Do I wish that everyone was in favor of voting me back in?
34:53Absolutely.
34:54But that's out of my control.
34:57Is that okay with everyone?
34:59I guess we'll see.
35:01I have conversations with everyone.
35:02And I feel like they're all on the same page that I am.
35:05I don't think she's ever going to change.
35:07And I just am over it.
35:09I'm over it.
35:10I feel like once her true colors come out again, it's definitely going to be an I told you so moment.
35:16Demi, on the other hand, no.
35:19I would say no for me.
35:21We're not voting on me.
35:22What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:23You're so weird.
35:25I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:27We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:29What are you doing?
35:30I never said vote.
35:31I just said I couldn't be cordial and coexist with Whitney, but not with Demi.
35:34What are you talking about?
35:35I thought you were taking a vote.
35:37Did I say that?
35:41Well, you said Demi, on the other hand, after we just voted.
35:43Okay, let's talk about projection.
35:44Geez, I didn't even say that.
35:46That's not projection.
35:47That was a misunderstanding.
35:49Demi, you mentioned if I'm in mom talk, like you don't want to be in mom talk.
35:54So I think you mentioned that to the girls.
35:56Is that correct?
35:57Who told you that?
35:59Who told you that?
36:01What does it matter who told you?
36:02It doesn't.
36:03You said it, so.
36:05Okay, let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
36:08Let's just talk human to human for once in your goddamn life.
36:11Human to human.
36:13Just take it down a notch.
36:14I don't like you and I don't have to change my tone.
36:16That's fine.
36:17I've done absolutely nothing to you.
36:19What?
36:20What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:22I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:24What have I done?
36:26You're a shitty person to people.
36:28You've gone at Whitney when she's down, kicked her down.
36:30You've done it to Jen.
36:31You've done it to Jessie.
36:32You've done it to me.
36:33Okay?
36:34I've done what to Jessie?
36:36You've done what to Jessie?
36:38Oh my gosh.
36:39Your bullshit lie about Jess?
36:41What lie?
36:42About the hair drama?
36:43You twisting that whole thing?
36:44That's all bullshit.
36:45That was true.
36:47No, it wasn't, Taylor.
36:48That was not true.
36:50The way you twisted it, I never said she's not good at hair.
36:53It was just hurtful to me that as a friend, you wouldn't support my business.
36:55I just, and I said that to you.
36:57But hair is so...
36:59That's my whole life.
37:01It's not...
37:02You were willing to kick Jessie out for money.
37:03You're not a good friend.
37:05Jessie, are you worried Demi was willing to take a bigger contract even if it meant you
37:08potentially being dropped from the show?
37:10We can't run away from this.
37:11I know.
37:12Okay, here we are.
37:14That was a reaction to multiple things.
37:16It's always a reaction.
37:18Listen to you.
37:20Multiple things had happened with Jessie and I that led to that point.
37:23It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like, she's out, no morals, no values,
37:27let's move on without her.
37:29It scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:31Okay.
37:33I was just like, I'm so sad and confused and upset.
37:35I was just really hurt.
37:37And I feel like you took that instead and just took it to a level that I would never
37:42have taken it to, even with the context we didn't have.
37:46Taylor's right.
37:48She's taking accountability for how she hurt me.
37:50It's super disappointing.
37:52She speaks like she's a therapist.
37:54And a lot of times that can make you feel like you are in the wrong and that she's right
37:57because she's so wise and it makes it seem like she's sorry when she's not.
38:00What about Jen?
38:02How have you've kicked her while she's down?
38:04Because she lied and acted like-
38:05Lied about what?
38:06About Italy.
38:08What did she lie about?
38:09She lied about what happened in Italy.
38:11What was the lie?
38:12I'm curious.
38:13She said to-
38:15Here you are stuttering.
38:16Go ahead.
38:18I'm trying to figure out what happened.
38:20I'm so shocked by Demi's inability to take accountability.
38:22I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth behind Jen's allegations of what happened
38:26in Italy and maybe that's why Demi turned on her.
38:29So, I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano to finally get to the truth of what actually
38:33happened in Italy with Demi.
38:35You guys are never going to be friends.
38:37It's fine, but how do we progress from here?
38:39Because this fucking sucks.
38:41Well, she's going to life ruining.
38:43That's completely different.
38:45I wouldn't do that to any single one of you.
38:46Life ruining?
38:48Do you know what you've done by calling me out?
38:50Do you know what that did and how it affected my children and Dakota and what that's done to him?
38:54You don't because you're just a selfish bitch.
38:59Oh.
39:01You only brought that information out because you were upset that I told Jessie the truth
39:06about what you think about her underwear.
39:08That's not true.
39:09Yeah, it is.
39:10No, it's not.
39:11I don't want to see you ripped from your kids.
39:12Do you want that to happen?
39:14I don't want to be the one to do that.
39:16It doesn't matter.
39:17But guess who does?
39:18Therapy does.
39:19They all know the fucking truth, okay?
39:21So when you know the full truth, then you can speak on it.
39:23Until then, shut the fuck up.
39:25I just don't.
39:26I don't think it's appropriate anyways because we don't have the content.
39:28Shut it.
39:29She brought it up.
39:30This is someone's family and their kids.
39:32Yes.
39:33And I don't think, I think it's off topic.
39:35And you don't know the full story.
39:37That's a very serious allegation that Demi said to you.
39:39An allegation that you have, you don't know anything about.
39:41These pants are too tight for this conversation.
39:43Okay.
39:45So if you guys can't coexist, what's going to happen?
39:47I mean, she was the one who brought up, I can't be in it if Taylor's in it.
39:51So that, I mean, I'm trying to get that clear.
39:53Do you still feel that way?
39:55I don't know if it's worth it for me.
39:59How do you feel like your friendships stand with all of us though?
40:01Because I feel like there has been upset feelings because most of us are not in a bad place with each other.
40:07It's jarring to see how quickly things have been brushed under the rug.
40:11How can you guys be friends with someone?
40:13She's disgusting.
40:14She's a disgusting human being.
40:16I don't understand it.
40:18Like, please, someone make sense of it.
40:20Someone make sense of it.
40:23Anyone?
40:25No, because I don't think anyone feels as deeply about it.
40:28Yeah, this is between you two for sure.
40:30If I was watching someone treat my friend and talk to knowing the type of person I am and the type of friend I've been to all of you,
40:39I would be fighting to the death defending each and every single one of you.
40:45That's the type of friend I am.
40:48I have been so loyal to each of you.
40:51Yeah, so if you feel that way, the door's there, honey.
40:58Am I the only one that cares about true friendship and loyalty and I'm alone on an island?
41:07I'm just feeling like all of this is for nothing at this point and it's extremely frustrating.
41:11As of now, I'm not feeling comfortable and I'm feeling very conflicted.
41:16So I'm going to take some time if you guys don't mind and just like decide if I want to continue in mom talk.
41:26Yeah, we don't mind.
41:28I don't mind. I'm sorry.
41:30Oh my gosh.
41:31As of now, wiping my hands clean.
41:34I'm done with mom talk.
41:36I can't do it anymore.
41:38Okay, bye guys.
41:40We are done.
41:42How's your throat feeling?
41:44It's all right.
41:46I mean, Demi's a grown-ass woman.
41:48I'm not going to beg for you to stay.
41:50I'm officially back in mom talk.
41:52I got my big fat gold star that I was wanting.
41:54That was crazy.
41:56I love that Demi was trying to basically make me feel like I was a part of her.
42:00She was trying to basically get me kicked out of mom talk.
42:03It completely backfired on her.
42:05It feels good to have everyone support me because mom talk is a business, but it is a lot more than that.
42:10I do think that there's hope for all of us girls to come together and be a team and to bring light back into it.
42:20Always a pleasure.
42:22That was a lot.
42:24I feel like I need to stay and decompress after.
42:27I know.
42:29I wish in this group we can just have individual friendships and it doesn't need to be like a loyalty thing.
42:33I've done this for you, so you have to hate this person because I hate this person.
42:41You want to be able to tell the truth without them being like, wait a second, I always stand up for you.
42:46I think, again, what mom talk was built on is the empowerment, woman empowerment.
42:50I think it's empowering to go off everyone else's beliefs and their experience and say, you know what?
42:54Actually, I don't believe with you.
42:56And that's fine.
42:57And what benefits you, like for me and my health with Whitney, I'm like, sorry, no, that's a boundary.
43:07This was really fun.
43:09Are you happy we came over?
43:10No.
43:16In the past, I have been Demi's lap dog, but I feel like I'm kind of in an era where I'm standing up for myself.
43:22And I honestly feel like mom talk is better off without her.
43:25Now we can finally start to heal.
43:27Well, I appreciate you guys coming over.
43:29That was crazy.
43:31I got some entertainment for the night.
43:33I feel like I'm watching Jerry Springer.
43:45I didn't tell you why, I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:49And I said, shut up.
43:51I already got Terry on my way over here, so I'm like, OK.
43:54It's going to be good.
43:56I think it'll be healing.
43:58Well, it's something that I need to do.
44:00Oh, absolutely.
44:01I don't want to do it at all.
44:03I don't want to do this right now.
44:05I mean, it's been almost 10 years.
44:07So you think I would have done it by now?
44:09Yeah.
44:11I've never been to Eric's crash site, and I think it is really important to me on my healing journey, especially writing this book.
44:15And with all the drama that's in mom talk, sometimes it's really important to me.
44:20And with mom talk, sometimes it's easy to forget what's actually important.
44:24But this all happened.
44:26I said, I want to write a book to help other women so that they don't feel alone like I did when I was going through everything.
44:31It's like I never want to leave things at a bad note with like most anybody.
44:34I get that, especially because you have so many regrets, too, with the things that you said to Eric.
44:41Yeah, exactly.
44:42Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:44I do.
44:45It's like I have regrets.
44:46I regret what I said, unfortunately.
44:50I was 13 weeks and five days pregnant.
44:52Me and him got into a disagreement, mainly me.
44:56I was upset with him, and we were sending texts back and forth.
45:00And one of his texts was unfinished at the end of it.
45:03So I was kind of like waiting for him to respond.
45:05What were you doing when you found out?
45:07Do you remember?
45:09I was at like a Mexican restaurant, and I was like scrolling on my phone, and I saw someone post like R.I.P. Eric Mack.
45:16Like on Instagram?
45:17On Instagram.
45:18And I was like, what is this?
45:32I remember calling him and just like hoping.
45:37Just hoping he would answer.
45:42And the worst part of it was just hearing the dial tone and just being like, please God, like answer the phone.
45:48I called his dad, and his dad told me that he passed and went in a car accident in Spanish Port Canyon.
45:57It was the most traumatic time of my entire life.
46:05I think it's like triggering.
46:07Well, for sure it's triggering, especially if you've never put yourself in that position.
46:13I know.
46:14Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:17I think it's really good, though, that you're going to see it, and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:22I know.
46:23I hope so.
46:25Oh God, I have anxiety.
46:37Should we do a hug before we go out there?
46:39I love you.
46:44Oh, don't cry already.
46:47You're going to make me cry.
46:49It's OK.
46:51It's OK.
46:53Flowers.
46:59I think it's at this marker right here.
47:08OK.
47:17Love you.
47:23I guess I will just leave this here, then.
47:26Yeah.
47:28I remember getting there for the funeral, and his parents had to hold me on each arm because I was just a wreck.
47:36I remember telling him that we were having a baby boy, and that I was so sorry for all the things that happened before he passed because I said some pretty hurtful things.
47:46Please.
47:48Give me love and let it take my body and my soul.
47:57Take me higher.
47:59Macy is opening up about one of the hardest moments in her life.
48:03I feel like it's still really important with all the drama and all the toxic energy going around in mom talk right now.
48:08We still have a lot of things to talk about.
48:10I feel like it's still really important with all the drama and all the toxic energy going around in mom talk right now.
48:15We still stand for being there for our friends.
48:18Do you want to say a little prayer?
48:20Sure.
48:21I'll say it for you.
48:22OK.
48:24It means a lot to me that she's willing to trust me to be that person for her, as well.
48:28Our dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this beautiful day to be here to remember Eric.
48:34Please bless Macy and Eric's family that they get peace and know that he is watching over them.
48:39Please bless Hudson that he can feel Eric in his life and know what an amazing young boy he is and how amazing Macy is.
48:47We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
48:51Why am I going to cry now?
48:54There's a weight that has been lifted off my shoulders.
48:57I think it's something I've always had to do that I don't think I ever would have done if I didn't push myself to do it.
49:02I've always known from the beginning that Michaela is always going to have my back and that's the best part of mom talk.
49:07I'm ready to heal.
49:11I just want to feel something now.
49:16I'm ready to heal.
49:20Save me from the inside out.
49:25I just want to heal.
49:37I'm falling for you.
49:39I don't know, no, no, no.
49:42Is it fair the way I'm feeling for you?
49:46Hey! How are you?
49:48Wow, miniskirt. You look hot.
49:50I know. How are you, stranger?
49:52It's been so long.
49:54Good to meet you. How's skiing?
49:56It was fun. I've never been up here to do it that way.
49:59I'm glad you asked me to talk.
50:01It's so good to see you.
50:03Cool. Can we go upstairs and talk? A little privacy?
50:05I have some stuff to talk to you about.
50:07After Tamia's left mom talk and Jin is MIA, I want to finally get to the bottom of what actually happened in Italy.
50:12So I'm going straight to the source to get the truth once and for all.
50:14I know Marciano from the villa, so I reached out to him.
50:16And he agreed to come to Utah to meet with me.
50:18After you.
50:22Can I get you a water?
50:24Yeah, I would love one.
50:26Here you go, darling.
50:28Thank you so much.
50:30I am going to pour myself tequila. Before you go judging me.
50:32It's like pure tequila. You're not going to put anything in it.
50:34Should I? I wasn't going to.
50:35Do you want to sit right here?
50:37Yeah.
50:39All right, cool. Sit across from me.
50:41What else has been going on?
50:43Not much.
50:45Not much?
50:47I just wanted to kind of get your side of the story.
50:49There's been a lot of talk from the girls of, like, what happened in Italy and just, like, very, like, he said, she said.
50:54And I loved me.
50:56But I think there's been so much talk of, like, the opposite of what she's saying.
51:00So I just honestly just, like, want to know, like, the truth.
51:02What did she say?
51:04Basically, like, when we first showed up to the villa, she was saying that you started hitting on her right away.
51:10And just, like, making, like, little, like, comments about, like, her and, like, how pretty she is and just, like, things like that.
51:15And then progressively, just, like, you got more forward, she was saying.
51:21So when I put myself out there, I didn't really know what was going on because, oh, we have these, like, Mormon swingers.
51:29And it was, like, we were, like, what?
51:32Like, I didn't really know what to think.
51:34But this girl, this woman, to me, is really pretty, really gorgeous.
51:38Like, I want to try and entertain this.
51:41But then, like, everything just started to transpire and everything, like, I think happened really fast.
51:46And I didn't really understand the boundaries.
51:48You felt like she was flirting with you.
51:50I think it was, like, friendly, funny, flirtatious things that I mistook for not the friendly part.
51:56Like, you were imagining, like, what was happening or, like, what do you mean?
52:01I think I'd be lying if I said that I didn't at least try and kiss her.
52:08I caught feelings for her, for sure, pretty quickly.
52:12I think that was because I was already, like, consumed with the fantasy that she was open.
52:19If Brett wasn't around, would things be different?
52:22I don't know.
52:24I think, I don't think so, but, you know, whatever.
52:29What I'm really getting into, to be honest with you, is, like, it's not even just Demi.
52:34It's a rumor that wasn't a rumor.
52:39With who?
52:41Damn. I just don't really know how to say this.
52:45God save us.
52:47Did you hear about the rumor?
52:49With Demi?
52:52With Jessie?
52:54Mm-hmm.
52:56I need to be straight up with y'all about how many DMs I've received.
52:59Oh, Jessie, were you really kissing Marciano at TomTom publicly?
53:04Allegedly, it was Jessie from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives making out in public with this guy.
53:10If I was, like, dumb enough to do that, I wouldn't do it in public.
53:13That was true?
53:15No.
53:17No.
53:20Wait, are you actually? No.
53:22One thing led to another.
53:24And you made out with her?
53:26Oh, more than that.
53:28As soon as I saw her, jumps into my arms, wraps her legs around my waist, and I'm almost like,
53:33I mean, I thought we were cool in, like, the villa, but then she was extremely forward.
53:37Have you guys still been in contact since then?
53:39Yeah, we have, and, like, you know, we've tried meeting up or stuff.
53:41Meeting up.
53:43Yeah, it's just been, like, a really...
53:45To continue it?
53:47Yeah.
53:49Holy shit.
53:51Marciano and I are cool, but to be honest, I don't really know him that well.
53:54Should I believe him, or is he just full of shit?
53:56If he's telling the truth, people's friendships, reputations, and families could literally fall apart.
54:01This could change everything.
54:04Does Jordan know?
54:06He doesn't know the truth about how extensive it was.
54:08It was not just, like, a one-time hookup thing.
54:14Did you guys fuck?
54:19Oh, fuck.
54:21Oh.
54:23Marciano.
54:25That's what I said, like, it's not like this was just some frickin' one-night stand.
54:30No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.