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00:00Hi, guys. I'm here with the CMAs. I got invited to present an award.
00:14Taylor, right here. Taylor, right here. Taylor, one more time. Look right here.
00:17And onto the red carpet, the girl, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. She's like,
00:21we are so excited you're here. I was just in shock. I'm like, how? Why? Of all people,
00:25Luke Bryan's right next to me. It was just insane. It was the coolest experience.
00:32Taylor, what do you think about our show, The Secret Lives of Country Music Wives?
00:38I love it. What could possibly go wrong?
00:42I posted about my CMAs. Not a single one of my friends from MomTalk said a single thing
00:47about it or commented. To hear nothing, like, what the fuck? I just had never seen
00:53such silence on a post. After Friendsgiving, I thought we were good, but I have noticed claws
00:59are always out recently. I do not think that MomTalk is living up to the supportive outlet
01:06that I thought we all had. So I feel like I have every right to speak my feelings. I'm going to
01:12defend myself against all of them if I have to. We have some new MomTalk drama. It was awkward
01:20that every single one of my friends was silent. I remember seeing her, like, post, no one was
01:25supporting me. And then they're all responding, being like, are you crazy? Like, we definitely
01:28did. They were posting screenshots. They're posting, like, screenshots. I mean, it's like
01:32this whole thing. The MomTalk feud has now officially reached a new level of insanity
01:38because Demi has now gone off the rails. Demi said, Macy, please, let's not be the extremely
01:43large ego. You don't need her, baby. Contrary to what she tries to make us all believe.
01:48Women are fighting each other in the comments of a post that was posted by the official secret
01:54lives of Mormon wives social media page. MomTalk. Oh, my God. Will it survive?
02:18Try me. I'll bring you to your knees, baby. You're gonna believe.
02:48Welcome. Smells so good. It smells like Christmas. Yeah, it does smell like Christmas. Cute.
02:58Welcome. Smells so good in here. Do you guys want some hot cocoa? Yes. Taylor posting on her story
03:05about how none of us supported her on her CMAs post is crazy. Like, did we not all just have,
03:10like, a kumbaya moment at Friendsgiving? It seems to be a running pattern that wherever Taylor is,
03:17chaos follows. Guys, what the hell? What the hell is going on? When I first saw her story,
03:24I thought it was a joke. I thought it was, like, a satire, like, funny thing. Because I'm like,
03:28why wouldn't you, like, message us in the group chat being like, hey, like, did you not see the
03:33post? Or like, I don't know. It just felt weird. This whole situation is very confusing, I feel
03:37like, for all of us, because we were just rallying around Taylor at Friendsgiving, and so I genuinely
03:42thought it was a joke. But at the same time, I was like, hmm, after seeing more stories,
03:46I don't think this is a joke. There was a lot of backlash online of people being like,
03:50you're a fake friend to Taylor. You don't even support her. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like,
03:53I know for a fact I texted her the day of CMAs being like, hey, I'm so proud of you.
03:57Love you. You're going to kill it. So her being upset about us not commenting on her post is
04:02definitely throwing us all through a loop. I saw her post. I was literally at a date with
04:07Jacob, so I liked it. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll comment later. But I forgot. Yeah. Like,
04:10it had been 23 hours. I hadn't even seen the post. And to be honest, I'm like, she doesn't
04:15message us back for five days, so maybe give it five days and not 24 hours. Yeah, that's true.
04:19That's what I said to her. I genuinely did not see the post. I was out with my family Friday
04:23night. I don't think she's coming to my last few posts. I keep tallies of who's commenting and
04:28who's not. I feel like that's weird. I feel like she makes these posts without thinking a lot of
04:31the time. Like, even with the Swinger stuff, she did post things, and she's like, oh, I didn't
04:35think about it before I posted it. Taylor hides behind her page being mostly satire,
04:41and I think it's bullshit. You can't say whatever the hell you want, post whatever you want,
04:46and then make a joke that hurts somebody, and then not expect people to react, and then not
04:50expect consequences. It's not OK. At this point, I truly view Taylor as a liability to MomTalk,
04:58and I just think she's a loose cannon. From going on a live stream and throwing everyone
05:03under the bus for the swinging scandal to going on about the CMAs and trying to make everyone
05:08look bad, although I feel like Taylor is kind of viewed as the leader. To me, I don't think she is
05:14qualified in any way, and honestly hasn't been throughout the entirety of MomTalk.
05:18She wanted everyone to feel the hurt that she felt, so now all her minions go out, and they go,
05:24and they comment on all of our shit, and they're like, you're a terrible friend. This is why she
05:27hasn't been coming around. You're all bullies. You don't invite her, and what are we going to do?
05:31Ew. Too much water? Ew, it tastes like dirt. It's too healthy. You're expecting a yummy hot
05:38chocolate? That's not what it is. Wow, that's disappointing. And it tastes like tree bark.
05:43But, yeah. Like, it's so dumb. That's the thing is, I feel like it doesn't affect me,
05:48because I'm like, I know it's not true. We're getting thousands of comments and DMs telling
05:52us that we're mean girls, and we're bad friends, and that was frustrating considering how much
05:58energy I have put into Taylor and our friendship. I message her multiple times a week. I try to send
06:03her cookies and dinners and Starbucks and coffee, and then for her to go on publicly
06:08and blast it to her four million followers, it feels unwarranted and very unfair.
06:13She hyperfixates on one problem. She does it with her relationship with Dakota, right? But,
06:18like, in this situation, she's hyperfixated on the social media aspect of it all. Like,
06:22she's not really listening to the other parts, like, points that you're making, and it's like,
06:25social media, social media. It's like she can't get that out of her brain. Like, no matter how
06:29many times that's said to her, she doesn't really see it. That, whatever you want to call it,
06:34narcissism, a disconnect in the brain, not fully matured, there is something going on. And I'm so
06:40sick of the narrative of everyone else is doing this, when Taylor's ruining her own goddamn life.
06:45Every single problem that's been brought into her life has been because of her. And somehow,
06:49we're all being villainized now, and she's willing to throw us all under the bus. We're supposed to
06:53now bow down to the leader who brought us this opportunity, when we're getting treated like shit
06:58online in public. I want to hear what she's thinking. This drama couldn't have come at a
07:02worse time, because me and Jessie are hosting a party with Baby Mama and JT Styles next week.
07:08In the past, in MomTalk, it was sinners versus saints. So, that is the theme for the event. We
07:12are inviting MomTalk supporters, and so I feel like it's really important for all of us girls
07:16to kind of show a united front, and be friendly and cordial to each other. So, I want to sit down
07:22with Taylor, and kind of talk some sense into her. Anyways, I'm gonna dump this out. It was great.
07:28Okay, well, thanks for coming over. I keep getting whiffs of it. I'm like, oh.
07:38Yes, and oranges.
07:44Hello. Hi. How's it going? Good. How are you? Good. Come on in.
07:50Bob the Builder's here. Yay. I've been needing help, so. Hi, my little little bug. Dakota's
07:58coming to grab him, so I'm just waiting on him. I'm gonna pack him up.
08:04Okay, let's go. Hi. Hi. How are you? Good. How are you? What's up, porn stash?
08:10Do you like it? He will not go down, and he's been fussy, so. It's because he was excited to see us.
08:16Bye, buddy. I love you. With all the drama going on with mom talk, it's been really hard to give
08:23Dakota an answer right now. On his ultimatum, I just feel conflicted between walking and staying
08:30in this relationship, where I know we're both toxic together. He's saying, like, if you can't
08:35give me 100% commitment, then I have to start moving on with my life, because we've been at
08:38this for two years, so. This decision has been weighing on me. I'm just trying to, like, think
08:42about ever, and what is best for all of us, but I don't know how single moms out there do it. I'm
08:49just grateful for my family. They have been a saving grace. I need to hear about all your so-called
08:55friends. Yeah. Come tell me. It's been a shit show. Not a single one of my friends said anything
09:01on my CMA post, which I thought, in my head, that's a big night for me. And I feel like
09:07that's just not normal for, like, not a single one to say anything. I feel like this is, like,
09:11a cool accomplishment. Like, I've never done something like this, and to hear nothing from
09:15my friends. This is our job. This is what we do. This is what we love. It's our passion. Yes, they
09:19did support me in other ways. Like, text me, hey, good luck with the CMAs. How's the CMAs? Like,
09:24privately, some of them. But when it came to, like, publicly, not a single one said anything.
09:29And if my dad didn't see it, or someone that isn't on social media all the time, that makes sense to
09:34me. But in mom talk, that's, like, what we're about is supporting each other privately and publicly.
09:40I didn't, like, handle it how I probably should have. But in the moment, I was just frustrated.
09:44I was like, I'll be petty too. And so I posted it. Demi was like, I guess we're supposed to
09:48bow down to Taylor. Like, she's the queen. Like, we missed one thing. Like, they were all freaking
09:52out about it and coming at me. So I just felt very attacked. It was like a game of, like,
09:57basically me against all of them, I feel like. Oh, she's the one that I just seen the most.
10:03Oh, yeah. Demi made herself look like a fool because she just, like, was bullying me.
10:07She wants to be queen bee. Demi went as far as calling me a narcissist, a manipulator,
10:14a gaslighter. I only tell half-truths to people. I twist things to make them look like they're one
10:18thing, but they're another. I'm calculated. Anything you can think of, she pretty much said
10:24on the internet. Anyone that bullied me, she, like, supported it. And then she kind of, like,
10:27fed into it a lot. This was from IG. Someone had commented, Taylor was a bad friend. She was only
10:32super nice because she was pregnant. Demi comments, ding, ding, ding. You can tell by
10:37some of the comments that Demi has written that she has never cared about her friendship with
10:41Taylor. Oh, sweetie. Honey girl. The other way around. She has never been a friend to me or
10:47anyone in the cast. All of her relationships are transactional. I don't know why it got to that.
10:53It's like, are you waiting for a weak moment of mine for my downfall? And I really think
10:58that's what it was. She saw a weak moment. Everyone's mad at Taylor for taking her down.
11:03Do you think that you deserve to go and have such an amazing event, though, at the CMAs?
11:09I don't know. When we were in first class and we were eating, I, like, was, like, wanting to cry.
11:16Because I was like, why am I sitting here? Like, I-
11:19Why? Is it becoming reality?
11:24No. It's like, why do I deserve to be here eating this food on first class? Like,
11:28that's in my head. But why not? Why not you?
11:33Because the swinging scandal.
11:36Get over that. Because you know what? The entire family, we don't care about it.
11:41The only person that hasn't forgiven you is yourself.
11:46I never want you to feel like that you are trash or, like, you're a daughter of God.
11:51To be picked out of all these other, like, reality stars, movie stars,
11:56on the red carpet, I got tears, like, in my eyes because it's like, you've made it, you know?
12:00My phone was blowing up, like, oh my gosh, your daughter. And I'm like,
12:04it's freaking cool. You should have seen this. We were having, like, this freaking-
12:08Super Bowl party.
12:09Super Bowl party.
12:11You ended up pulling yourself out of, like, that darkness.
12:14And I think that's exciting. That's something that you should, like, be proud of.
12:18I felt undeserving of that moment, actually. Like, I don't actually deserve to be here and
12:24treated like this. Like, it actually really makes me feel good. Like, I don't feel good about myself.
12:28I already feel, like, trash because of the swinging scandal. It's what I'm known for.
12:33But the other girls not commenting on my post, it made me question if I deserved it even more.
12:39It's like, if that's what you think of me, then that, like, confirms, like,
12:42what I think of me, you know?
12:44There's nothing in this world that would ever change the way that I feel about you.
12:50With Mom Talk, I look back at to the times of where it started and hope for that again.
12:54But right now, I do feel like I don't know who actually is my friend.
12:58That's what I need to figure out.
13:00You deserve all the happiness in this world.
13:03And you need to feel that, you know? You need to feel that love.
13:25Do this.
13:26Curious to hear her perspective.
13:28I'll move to the back so that she can sit in the front so we can interrogate her.
13:32Oh, no. Not the interrogation.
13:34Taylor can be erratic sometimes. And a lot of people in our group can, actually.
13:39So it's not just her.
13:40But I feel like me and McKayla are her closest friends in Mom Talk and understand her more.
13:45Even though I don't think Taylor had bad intentions towards us.
13:48Like, this is a situation that I feel like I can't be on her side with.
13:51I don't feel like I'm, like, all the way on Demi's side because it's a bit strong.
13:54I feel like I'm still kind of in the middle.
13:55But I'm like, Taylor, you're wrong in this situation.
13:57Hello.
13:58Hello.
13:58Look who it is.
13:59I got a little bit of a mess.
14:00Making an appearance.
14:02Not the kid toy.
14:03Oh, I actually like that.
14:04She's like, it's my anxiety toy when I get anxious.
14:11Anyways.
14:12Anyway.
14:14Well, I need to get a quesadilla. I'm so hungry. I could die.
14:18Can I do a 12 ounce hot chocolate with hazelnut?
14:21Make it that two.
14:22Two of those.
14:23You want one?
14:24Have a good rest of your day.
14:24Yeah, thank you.
14:25You too.
14:26See ya.
14:27So this is good as hell.
14:28This is so good.
14:29Really?
14:30You want to try it?
14:31Oh yeah.
14:31Isn't that good?
14:32It's like a chocolate shake.
14:33No, it's like, it's like a milkshake.
14:35So how is everybody feeling?
14:38I feel fine.
14:40I bet you do.
14:42So I'm sorry that I feel fine.
14:44I would do it again.
14:47Curious why though?
14:48Because that's how I felt.
14:50Everyone saw my story that day.
14:52And no one said a thing.
14:54That to me is telling.
14:56The silence was loud.
14:58Any one of you would think the exact same thing.
14:59I don't care what you guys say.
15:00There's no way that eight out of eight girls were not on their phones for 24 hours and didn't see it.
15:05I think it's safe to say that.
15:06It's such an isolated event of just like one post that people didn't comment on that one time.
15:12And then to publicly go out and be like, hey, basically, no matter how you worded it,
15:17made us look like bad friends.
15:18Yeah.
15:19And then we're getting comments saying, oh, well, you guys are mean girls
15:21because you don't support your friends.
15:23Well, that's not true because we're texting her.
15:25We're DM'ing her.
15:25We're going out of our way to see how she's doing.
15:28Like the whole story that like a lot of like a good amount of people reached out to you.
15:31But then I explained, I literally was just like, I am.
15:34I think a lot of these girls are supportive.
15:36I was just taken back by the fact that not a single one said a word.
15:40And I thought it was weird.
15:41That's it.
15:42I know.
15:42But I think the aspect that I'm confused about is,
15:44does it matter if it's online or does it matter if it's in our real life?
15:49Because I'm like, we've had both conversations.
15:51I think both it matters.
15:53For me, private support is way more important than social media support
15:56when it comes to my friendships and the genuine friendships that I care about.
16:01I'd much rather have a close circle of the people that actually know me behind the scenes
16:05and have that support.
16:06But I feel like Taylor's the complete opposite.
16:08And I'd rather be going online and getting it from strangers on the internet.
16:12Whatever's going on online doesn't matter because it's also like you have to separate the two.
16:17You have to separate the two.
16:17This is still your real life and your real friendships that are being hurt as well.
16:22Yeah.
16:22Were you annoyed or hurt?
16:23Well, it annoyed me.
16:24It definitely hurt some people.
16:26But you guys.
16:27Did it hurt you guys?
16:28No, but it's also telling to me like, oh damn.
16:31Like how quick it was to throw us all under the bus with no context, no warning.
16:37Okay.
16:37So next time, just send you a warning of what I'm going to post.
16:40Well, not necessarily.
16:42Hi, are you listening to anything we're saying?
16:45Yeah.
16:45I honestly don't think you guys thought it was that deep.
16:47Just like me.
16:48Even if I was like, yeah, it was petty.
16:50It was funny.
16:51If I saw that it was hurting people, I would still be like, you know what?
16:54I am sorry that I did that.
16:55Like I can still feel empathy for people that I've hurt.
16:58My CMA post.
16:59I felt my feelings were valid.
17:01That's how I felt.
17:02I was petty and I posted it.
17:03That was my bad.
17:04End of story.
17:06But listening to what Mikaela is saying and hearing that they were bullied online.
17:10I am sorry that that is happening.
17:13I know I'm going to see everyone at the Saints and Sinners party.
17:15And before that, me and Laila are going to New York for a brand trip.
17:19So maybe I should apologize for being petty about the post.
17:22Just hone on to your empath side, you know?
17:24And we're in the wrong of posting it and grouping everybody in.
17:28You know?
17:29I know.
17:30I agree that you feel that way.
17:35Sorry if I didn't say what you guys wanted to hear.
17:37I want you to actually feel it.
17:39Okay.
17:39And coming from a place that I do feel bad.
17:41Yeah.
17:42Maybe I just need to go home and think.
17:44Love you guys.
17:44Bye.
17:45I know you don't love me, but it's fine.
17:47No one said that.
17:58Oh goodness.
18:00Thank you so much.
18:03We're here.
18:04I feel like things are a little contentious still and mom talk.
18:08But today I'm forgetting all that because Jacob and I are in San Diego
18:11to do a frozen embryo transfer.
18:13I've been on hormones for a long time.
18:15Going through IVF under the radar.
18:16None of the girls know.
18:17Hi, how are you?
18:18Good to see you again.
18:19I want to avoid those questions where it's like,
18:21oh, did you transfer?
18:22Are you pregnant?
18:22It's like so many questions that get overwhelming when you're going through IVF.
18:25We're like 30 minutes behind.
18:27Okay, left side.
18:28Okay.
18:28Give me a three, two, one.
18:29Three, two, one.
18:33Okay, that's not too bad.
18:34It is a very personal journey and so we decided to keep it private.
18:39Oh, I see.
18:40So the dot is the air bubble that identifies where the embryo is placed.
18:45The embryo is right in there.
18:48Oh, crazy.
18:49Good luck to you both.
18:50Thank you so much.
18:52I have never heard of the church having a stance on IVF.
18:55And if anything, I think they're happy because the more babies, the better.
18:59Mormons are happy.
19:00I'm happy.
19:00I'm happy.
19:01I'm happy.
19:01I'm happy.
19:02I'm happy.
19:02I'm happy.
19:03I'm happy.
19:03I'm happy.
19:04I'm happy.
19:04I'm happy.
19:05I'm happy.
19:05I'm happy.
19:06I'm happy.
19:06I'm happy.
19:07I'm happy.
19:07I'm happy.
19:08I'm happy.
19:08I'm happy.
19:09Mormons have a lot of kids, so I think it's something that they would never discourage.
19:12This is the start of a new life.
19:24Aw.
19:32Just having Carlos like brought so much joy.
19:36And then now thinking about like another one.
19:39Another baby, it's just, it's a lot.
19:43Aw, you're so excited, baby.
19:46Yeah.
19:51I love you.
19:52I love you.
19:53Thanks for being the best, most supportive.
19:56Of course.
19:57I'm not gonna lie.
19:58I feel like my life is going really good right now.
20:01However, I am worried for this Saints and Sinners party.
20:04It's coming up and it's gonna be the first time we're all gonna be together
20:08since the CMA drama.
20:09When they're mad, both Demi and Taylor can fight really dirty.
20:13And I just feel like in my soul that it's gonna be brutal.
20:17But I'm really trying to focus on staying stress-free
20:21because this IVF transfer is what matters the most to us right now.
20:24I'm excited.
20:26Yes.
20:38Tonight is Macy and Jessie's Saints and Sinners party.
20:47But today me and Taylor are in New York City to work on a really fun brand deal.
20:54And we're going to shoot a commercial for them
20:56and shoot some billboard pictures for them that'll be in Times Square.
21:05It's super fun.
21:06I'm so happy that opportunities like this come from being on MomTalks.
21:11All right, next look.
21:12How do you think it's gonna go tonight?
21:14Horrible.
21:14It's a bloodbath, for sure.
21:17I'm scared for you, to be honest.
21:18After hearing what Macy and Mikaela said, then I started to feel bad.
21:22So I decided to make an apology text.
21:29Immediately after I sent my apology,
21:31Demi sends a chapter book of how she does not accept my apology and goes on to say why.
21:43The group message ended up in a war zone, honestly,
21:46because Demi, she's still going off.
21:48And I'm like, okay, the girl needs to let it go.
21:50Like, what do you want me to do?
21:51I think she wants me to kiss her feet.
22:03Not happening.
22:03So let's move on.
22:06You posted the thing, but it was one single story,
22:08and it blew up into something that, in my opinion, I don't think it needed to go to.
22:12I just feel like...
22:13Zoom in on that.
22:15I don't know.
22:16I think there's parts of it that Demi is valid in,
22:21but the level that she's taking it to online,
22:23I think that's where I like...
22:24That's where I draw the line.
22:25Initially, I was freaking mad at Taylor,
22:27but she apologized in the group chat,
22:29and I feel like she does feel bad.
22:31So I'm going to let it go and kind of move past it.
22:33I would normally be more loyal to Demi.
22:36I do have a closer relationship with Demi than Taylor,
22:38but in this situation, I do feel like Demi took it too far.
22:41I feel like she was approaching the level of bullying,
22:43so kind of fucked up on Demi's part.
22:47Speaking of Demi, before we came here,
22:49she texted me, and she asked me how much I was making on this brand deal.
22:55And I didn't text her back,
22:56because I just feel like we all kind of learned our lesson with Demi,
23:00that when it comes to money, you don't bring it up,
23:03because she doesn't handle money really well.
23:06I definitely do think that Demi is a little power hungry.
23:09I think after seeing how well this last experience went for her,
23:13and how much love she got online,
23:15and how she was definitely a fan favorite,
23:18I think it kind of went to her head.
23:19You think you deserve the biggest brand deal.
23:21I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
23:23Not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
23:25Like, I feel like I'm an asset.
23:26I should fight for more.
23:28She kind of wants to be the forefront and center of things,
23:32so I definitely think she took it to heart
23:34when Taylor was asked to do the CMAs, and she wasn't.
23:36But I just think that we need to celebrate each other's wins in this group.
23:40There's going to be opportunities that some of us get,
23:42that some of us don't get.
23:43And if we harp and we focus on every single thing that we're not getting,
23:46then she's just going to be so toxic,
23:48and just not a healthy environment to be in.
23:50So I really think she needs to get over herself with that.
23:55Demi says an atomic bomb is coming for me.
23:58I cannot.
23:59She's like an atomic bomb.
24:00Yeah, it was like...
24:01Taylor's so scared.
24:02She's shaking in her boots right now.
24:04Yeah, sweaty palms.
24:05Sweaty palms.
24:07I feel like, honestly, not validating what you did, but like...
24:11I mean, it's very on brand for you.
24:14Okay, well, I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight.
24:16I mean, don't.
24:18What do you mean?
24:20When I'm being attacked.
24:21Oh, no, I'm going to stand up for you.
24:22I want to hear you say that.
24:23I will.
24:24I am dreading to come back to the Saints and Sinners party
24:29because I just know I'm going to be in the hot seat.
24:34But I do want to go support Macy and Jessie in this.
24:37Demi, in the group message, said,
24:39you're bringing a BB gun to an atomic bomb that's coming for you.
24:42Basically trying to scare me to not go,
24:44or like, I should be afraid.
24:46But I'm going in there.
24:47I'm not afraid.
24:48And if anything, that fueled me more.
25:01We are eight days post-transfer,
25:03and we decided we're going to take a little pregnancy test.
25:07Scared.
25:09Three, two, one.
25:12Wait.
25:13Put it to the camera.
25:15I can't see it.
25:17OK.
25:22Oh, my gosh.
25:28I'm so excited.
25:33I love you so much.
25:35I love you, too.
25:38We're so excited.
25:39We're pregnant.
25:41And honestly, we couldn't be happier after all the sacrifice,
25:44being on hormones for months.
25:47And in three weeks, it should have a heartbeat.
25:49So we're not out of the woods yet.
25:50It's still scary, but it's exciting.
25:53It's exciting.
25:54I'm so excited.
25:55Can you believe it?
25:57I'm pregnant.
25:58That's crazy.
25:59Oh, my gosh.
26:02I think the hardest part of this journey, though,
26:04is going to be keeping it a secret from all my nosy little friends.
26:07I love you.
26:08It's really hard to keep a secret because I'm excited.
26:11So I don't know how I'm going to do it,
26:12especially because I feel like the group prize,
26:14they can read things pretty well.
26:17But I'm going to have to hide it a little bit longer.
26:19This is my cute little baby mama.
26:38This has been really nice.
26:39Just kind of like getting away from all the drama back home.
26:42Oh, my gosh.
26:43I know.
26:44Just being able to just kind of like just talk us to.
26:47I know you're close with Demi and Jessie.
26:49It's OK if you also don't agree with everything they're doing
26:53and you want to take a step back.
26:55I feel like my issue is that I let other people dictate
26:59how I feel about somebody.
27:00So because I was closer with Demi and Jessie at one point,
27:04they would tell me things about what you were doing
27:06or like what Jen was doing.
27:07And I would just take their side automatically
27:10because they're my friend.
27:12Demi is a very passionate person that goes very hard at somebody
27:16when they do her wrong in her eyes.
27:18And she definitely pushes her narrative
27:22of how she feels on that person to everybody.
27:24She's done it to Jen.
27:25Now she's doing it to Taylor.
27:26Looking back, I got sucked into her negative mindset
27:29towards Jen.
27:30And now it seems like Demi wants us to choose
27:33between Taylor or her, which I think
27:35is a load of bullshit.
27:37But I also am terrified of Demi stressing me out
27:40and breaking up because of it right now.
27:56Hi.
27:57The hot rollers.
27:58How are you?
28:00Hi.
28:01Tonight is Saints and Sinners.
28:02And things with mom talk right now have been super heavy.
28:06The whole Taylor incident kind of felt
28:08like a big slap in the face.
28:10I will always be that voice of like, hey, this is not OK.
28:13And if you're going to act the way that you're acting,
28:16you're going to get called out.
28:17How are you doing?
28:18This has been so much.
28:20Yeah.
28:20Like more than I would like to admit.
28:24I'm like embarrassed to admit how much time this and energy
28:27this is like.
28:28Oh, I'm exhausted.
28:30And I feel like this has triggered so much
28:32that I like need to address.
28:35In that moment of you being so upset for 22 hours
28:38when we have all had moments of being upset with Taylor.
28:41I know.
28:41And we haven't reacted.
28:42I know.
28:43It just was like, whoa.
28:45This drama that's going on is crazy.
28:47Taylor sent an apology text.
28:50Demi got very heated.
28:51And then it just turned into a whole shit show.
28:53I do think Demi can take it too far sometimes.
28:55Like when I found out about Demi like threatening
28:58a cease and desist against Jen, I was like shocked.
29:02Apparently Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist
29:05to try to keep Jen and other people from talking about it.
29:08In this instance, I can see where she's coming from
29:11and why this is upsetting her so much.
29:12Because I know almost every single person in Mom Talk
29:15did in fact reach out to Taylor.
29:17And it's validating to have somebody see my perspective
29:21as to why I've always felt like Taylor doesn't know
29:24how to be a friend.
29:25It's so frustrating to like have the narratives be spun
29:29and things that are not true.
29:30Like when the swinging stuff came out,
29:32I had my stepkids coming home from school,
29:34having people bully them, being like,
29:35oh, you're hot stepmom.
29:36Like she swings, like tell her to call me.
29:38And then look how it continues to happen.
29:41It continues to happen.
29:42Yeah.
29:42I feel like, again, I have to walk on eggshells around you.
29:45Like that's not a friendship that I don't think anyone would want.
29:50Yep.
29:51Watching Taylor's behavior and seeing it kind of unfold
29:54on a personal level, I'm understanding a little bit more
29:58as to why Whitney kept her distance from her
30:00and why she had such strong opinions about her.
30:02How are you feeling about seeing Taylor tonight?
30:05Not good.
30:06Yeah.
30:07I already know that I'm in a triggered state.
30:11This has been the wildest switch up of all for me,
30:14seeing Whitney's support.
30:16But I really do think she is learning and growing.
30:18Whereas with Taylor, I think that she thinks
30:20that we're just going to be like,
30:21OK, awesome, you started this.
30:23So do whatever you want.
30:24And I think we're all kind of over that.
30:26Like you are not in a position of power.
30:28Sit down.
30:31I appreciate you seeing the full picture
30:32and like helping me through it.
30:34It means a lot.
30:45I value our friendship right now.
30:46So I'm going to give you my group chat
30:49that has me, Demi, Jessie, Macy, and Mikayla in it.
30:53If you want to read it.
30:54Talking behind each other's backs
30:56is kind of the opposite of what mom talks
30:58is supposed to stand for.
30:59So I want to show Taylor the group chat messages
31:01so that she can see what she's walking into tonight.
31:04Here it is.
31:06Kind of a lot.
31:07OK.
31:08But I don't know.
31:08I don't think I said anything too harsh, but.
31:12No, thank you.
31:19The text thread that I'm reading is harsh
31:22because I'm pretty much being called anything
31:24you can think of in there.
31:27How dumb I am.
31:29How like did she not see like she's the problem.
31:32Now we see what Dakota deals with.
31:34Yeah, it's sad to see.
31:36This is like mean girl behavior.
31:37Like it's gross behavior.
31:39It was a full on bully thread.
31:41And it got worse because Demi is trying
31:44to get all the girls to go against me.
31:48I don't feel like those girls even
31:49realize Demi's true colors.
31:51And especially Jessie.
31:52She's just a loyal friend to Demi.
31:54But there's more that I know about Demi
31:56that I could tell Jessie to kind of just be like,
31:58open your eyes.
31:59And they can think whatever they want about me.
32:01But I don't sit there and talk about my friends like that.
32:04They'll never see receipts like that from me.
32:07So OK, Demi, you have an atomic bomb coming for me.
32:10Bring it because I have one too.
32:21Oh my gosh.
32:43I want to live here.
32:44Like it's perfect.
32:45I mean, your outfit all together.
32:47I know you too.
32:48We're like the perfect opposites of each other.
32:50Tonight's the Saints and Sinners party.
32:52Macy and I are doing it as a combined business party
32:55for both of our companies.
32:57I have Jay-Z Styles.
32:58It's a hair care brand.
32:59And Macy has Baby Mama, which is supplements.
33:01And we thought it would be a really cool way
33:03to show that two women entrepreneurs can
33:05empower each other and also involve the community.
33:08I know it's going to be an incredible night
33:09for our businesses.
33:10But I also know that there's going to be drama.
33:13We haven't all been together in a room
33:15since the CMA's situation.
33:16And I'm still very much upset with Taylor.
33:19So tensions are going to be high.
33:21And this could be explosive.
33:22Oh, we need to do that TikTok.
33:24OK.
33:31Do you like it?
33:32That's cute.
33:32Yeah, that's great.
33:33Oh, I love it.
33:41Wow.
33:43This is unreal.
33:45How do you think tonight's going to go?
33:47I just hope Taylor's accountable.
33:48I hope that she owns her stuff.
33:50There will be some accountability.
33:51But it won't be a full accountability, in my opinion.
33:54You look so cute.
33:55Are you tired?
33:56Yeah, I'm tired.
33:57And I'm tired of trying to hide this pregnancy.
34:00You can't.
34:01You said that way too loud.
34:02I said it so quiet.
34:03You said that so loud.
34:04I said it so quiet.
34:05No, people can read your lips right now.
34:06I'm tired.
34:07People can read your lips.
34:08I'm tired and I'm loving it.
34:09You're spilling the tea too soon.
34:11To you.
34:12To you.
34:12To you.
34:13To you.
34:14To you.
34:16Don't say anything.
34:17I'm not.
34:18No, hold on.
34:18Don't say anything.
34:19My boobs are still big.
34:21Jacob, do you think this is my first rodeo?
34:23It looks like it.
34:24Oh, my God.
34:29Hi, how are you?
34:31Oh, my gosh.
34:32Look at you guys.
34:36Look at you.
34:38Are you a saint or a sinner?
34:40I can't decide.
34:40I'm both.
34:41You're both.
34:41Hi.
34:44All right, you guys.
34:45We just wanted...
34:46Oh, hello.
34:47Oh, here it goes.
34:49Hi, you guys.
34:50We just wanted to welcome you to the Saints and Sinners Party,
34:53hosted by Jay-Z Styles.
34:55And Baby Mama.
34:59Thank you guys so much for coming.
35:01It means the world to us that you are here celebrating with us.
35:04We just want you guys to have fun tonight
35:06and also make sure you get some good photos to document the night.
35:09Thank you guys.
35:10We love you all.
35:14♪ Look who's back
35:16♪ La la la la la
35:17♪ Look who's back
35:18♪ It's la la la la la
35:19♪ Look who's back
35:20♪ La la la la la
35:21♪ This is my birthday
35:22Hi.
35:24Thank you for coming.
35:26Hi, how was New York?
35:27It was good.
35:28It was good.
35:29Who do I feel like we're missing?
35:31Besides Taylor, obviously.
35:38Dakota is with me tonight.
35:40He wanted to come support me,
35:41given he knows I'm going to be attacked.
35:45Dakota and I, we're not officially together,
35:47but he still is nice and sticks by my side.
35:50So I appreciate the support from him.
35:55I haven't gotten the clear answer from the ultimatum,
36:00but the biggest reason why I'm going to the Saints and Sinners Party
36:02is because with all of the drama going on right now,
36:06Taylor is like kind of alone.
36:07And so I just want to let her know that I always have her back.
36:12But it is weird because none of the Mom Talk girls commented.
36:16I noticed it.
36:17And I wasn't even trying to notice that.
36:19Sure, they can say like,
36:21I was busy that day.
36:22And it's like, nah, you were on your phone, you suck.
36:26How was New York?
36:27A blur.
36:29I'm running off, no sleep and no food.
36:31I'm not doing well right now.
36:32However, I wanted to come tonight and support my friends,
36:35unlike some other people.
36:37Let's not lump everyone in again.
36:39That didn't go well the first time.
36:41I'm OK.
36:43No, I'm saying we're not.
36:44Because everyone got lumped in.
36:45I didn't speak for everyone here.
36:47Oh, I know because I've talked to everyone.
36:49Everyone is frustrated.
36:50Well, they've all talked to me as well.
36:52I mean, you went to a whole other level of all these other girls.
36:56Taylor's here with her 12 foot wings
36:59and she just has that crazy look in her eye.
37:01And I'm like, she is here to fight.
37:03I am so fed up.
37:04We have a long line of all this shit
37:08that's just building, building, building.
37:10And at this point, I'm just like, fuck you, Taylor.
37:13Can we go in the back room?
37:15I know who you are behind closed doors.
37:17You are done.
37:19Like, not on my watch, bitch.
37:21You're done.
37:30You guys want to go back here to talk with a little more quiet?
37:32Yeah, we're ready.
37:35Jessie, come sit with me right here.
37:39I feel like this feels weird.
37:41It feels like it's all of us.
37:42It's like Taylor's by herself.
37:44Well, apparently I am by myself according to Demi, so go at it.
37:47Well, I actually want to hear what you have to say.
37:50I wanted to apologize and I'm no longer apologizing to you
37:55specifically because of the bullying I've seen online
37:57for about a week now.
37:59And the extent that you took it to
38:01and whatever reason you have,
38:03I did apologize to everyone else in the text,
38:05whether you thought it was sincere or not.
38:06And remember what else I said?
38:07I sat with what Mikaela said because originally I was like,
38:10I'm actually not sorry about this.
38:12And then she was like, well, maybe you should think about
38:14how it affected all of us and how the people came at us.
38:17And I was like, OK, you're right.
38:19Why would you not be sorry?
38:20I'm just confused by that.
38:21Because I feel like I was just sharing my feelings
38:24and I didn't think of it big picture
38:25that you guys were going to get bullied.
38:27You know the platform you have?
38:28In what world would you put that out there
38:30and not expect a response when you have a problem?
38:32Well, you guys think I'm dumber than a block.
38:33So maybe just...
38:38I'm definitely scared that the girls
38:39are going to find out that I showed Taylor
38:41the group chat messages.
38:42Maybe I shouldn't have done it.
38:43But fuck, thanks a lot, Taylor.
38:46Oh, you've never said that?
38:47I didn't say you're dumber than a what?
38:48A block?
38:49I think one of you said it.
38:50A brick?
38:51I guess for me, where my frustration came from
38:54is as a friend, why did you think
38:56that was your first and only move to make
38:58instead of just coming to us?
38:59I feel like the silence was loud on that post
39:01and I felt that it was pettiness.
39:02So why didn't you come to the group and say,
39:04hey guys, I noticed this and I'm feeling weird.
39:06What's going on?
39:07Because I knew half is pettiness
39:09and half genuinely probably did not see it like you.
39:11But that's an assumption because that's not true.
39:13Well, I knew people had liked it
39:14and they didn't say anything.
39:15Like they just...
39:16No one supported it.
39:16If you go to anyone...
39:17And go around and say why we didn't comment
39:18and like get to the bottom of this.
39:19I don't care.
39:20Or I wouldn't...
39:20You do. You do care because you posted about it.
39:22You don't care to come to us,
39:23but you care to put it online?
39:24That's communicating very loudly
39:25that you don't give a shit about the relationship.
39:27We were exhausted.
39:28We were heading into Thanksgiving weekend.
39:30We all were with our families or on dates or with our kids.
39:34And now you're sitting here saying,
39:35oh, I know for a fact on Bible
39:37that half was petty and half genuinely didn't see it.
39:40That's not fair to say when that's not true.
39:42It's not the truth, Taylor.
39:43Well, no one would ever come out and say that.
39:46When I see not a single person on a big night,
39:49I felt that it was weird.
39:50I understand you drawing the conclusion that,
39:52oh, this feels planned.
39:53And petty and so I reacted fast, poorly,
39:56and that's my bad.
39:57And I was petty and I put it online
39:59and it affected you guys all more drastically
40:00than I anticipated.
40:01And that is my bad.
40:02And that is all I can say.
40:03Your following loves you and worships you.
40:05You have to realize the power you hold.
40:08Taylor tends to take her emotions as facts.
40:10And maybe she liked being validated
40:12and feeling like the victim in this situation.
40:14And taking it online validates her feelings.
40:17So I think that's why she did what she did.
40:18This is like a pattern.
40:20And the betrayal's so deep from you
40:22that I can't believe you would do something like that.
40:24That all I'm seeing is mini yous.
40:26This is not the issue you have with me.
40:28This is from, I don't know, from how long ago.
40:31I mean, look at the buildup to a point of bullying.
40:34I am not a bully and I'm not a mean person.
40:37So you don't think you were a bully?
40:38No.
40:40I am sitting here wondering why Layla hasn't spoken up yet
40:43because she told me that she was gonna
40:45have my back in this situation.
40:47I'll see if you keep that same energy tonight
40:49when I'm being attacked.
40:50What do you mean?
40:51Being attacked.
40:52Oh, no, I'm gonna stand up for you.
40:53I don't know if she's terrified of Demi
40:56but...
40:57I think I was defending myself against your behavior
40:59and it's very weird of you to sit in your chair right now
41:01and spin this on its head as though you're the victim.
41:04That is like the most victim complex thing
41:06I've ever seen in my life.
41:06I just think you're a fake.
41:08I'm not fake.
41:09Okay, does anyone here think I'm fake?
41:11No.
41:12No.
41:12I know that you're fake, so...
41:14What do you think is fake?
41:15What do you think is fake about me?
41:17You can't say that and not back it up.
41:18Say it.
41:21What's fake?
41:22I just feel uncomfortable saying it to you.
41:24Just say it.
41:25Why are you looking to her for validation to say it?
41:27Because it's going to her.
41:28Like what you've done behind her back yet again.
41:30What?
41:31What I've done behind her back?
41:33Yes.
41:34Okay, I'm with it then.
41:34And what you've said.
41:35Do you want me to say it?
41:36Oh, absolutely.
41:36Say it.
41:37What?
41:38Okay, she doesn't think you're good at hair
41:40and she told me not to go to you for hair
41:41and that's why I went to a different salon
41:42because she doesn't think you're good at all
41:44and she said that she's like stuck in a thing with you.
41:46Huh?
41:47You don't think she's good at hair
41:48but like you feel like obligated to go to her.
41:50She said do not go to her if she's not good at hair.
41:53No, I didn't at all.
41:54Oh my hell.
41:56I said to go to Jay-Z.
41:57I don't know how they do with color.
41:59They're great at extensions.
42:00That's your best friend.
42:02I literally had had my hair done one time by them.
42:05I didn't know how they work.
42:07But were you happy with that one time?
42:09I don't remember.
42:11Do you see how she can't answer?
42:13Okay.
42:13Should we just have the resolution of the petty IG post
42:16and move on from it?
42:18No, because she's a she's fake
42:20and I think she's a bitch.
42:21I really do really think that.
42:22I don't think it's fair to like try to turn
42:24like other people against each other right now though.
42:26I'm trying to tell her like how her friends
42:28saying behind her back.
42:29To hear Miranda and Whitney take Demi's side.
42:32I'm in complete shock.
42:34I'm the only one who stuck up for them
42:36and like you did me dirty again.
42:39Do you not think that's?
42:41Oh Taylor, talk to me.
42:42Talk to me because this is about me.
42:43Look me in the eyes you narcissist.
42:44Look at me.
42:45I know how Taylor can be sometimes
42:47especially online and throwing up something petty
42:49just for clicks.
42:51But I also see why it was very upsetting
42:54to some of the other girls
42:55because I don't think that private things
42:57should be shared to everyone on the internet.
43:00Okay.
43:01Do we want to get into how you are behind closed doors?
43:03Should we open that door?
43:04Go for it.
43:05Okay.
43:05So should we talk about the way
43:06that you treat your boyfriend?
43:09Go get help.
43:10Stop hurting people.
43:11Take accountability for what you're doing.
43:13It's not okay.
43:14Yes from my history.
43:15It's every goddamn time you're with us
43:17you're going through a hard time for hell sakes.
43:19This is a you problem.
43:21Let's go ask Dakota.
43:22Go up, breathe.
43:24No, no.
43:26I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
43:32Like thinking back to Taylor's arrest,
43:34Taylor and Dakota,
43:35they're so toxic in their relationship.
43:37They brought out this nasty side in each other
43:39and given the nature of their relationship
43:42and what has happened up until this point,
43:44I would never put my child in that environment.
43:48And you have the audacity to sit here
43:50and try to ruin my reputation.
43:52We are done.
43:53Let's take it there, Taylor.
43:55To me goes to one of the worst times of my life.
43:59We've seen the body cam footage.
44:00It's no secret that Dakota and I have struggled
44:02with unhealthy patterns.
44:04I was called like a child abuser,
44:06the worst mom in the world.
44:07It's not easy to hear as a mom.
44:09You don't want to be labeled as that.
44:10And it's not true because I didn't hurt my daughter
44:13and I don't want to like justify or make excuses for it.
44:15But I've taken the steps and the time
44:18to work through those things.
44:19And so for Demi to still bring that up
44:22to talk about my child,
44:23this isn't about being petty or bitchy.
44:26This could be life ruining.
44:29I don't think it's fair to the initial argument though,
44:32what we're here for.
44:33I feel like things are getting really out of hand
44:35and really messy.
44:36I feel like this is becoming a really ugly battle
44:38between Demi and Taylor.
44:39I love talking about hair, but.
44:42Yeah, I think that it's gotten a little off topic.
44:43I think that we just need to come back to what it was.
44:46I mean, where are you guys standing?
44:48You can speak.
44:48I just have one question.
44:49Yes.
44:50All I want to know is, are you sorry?
44:52To all of you and how I made you feel
44:54and the people coming at you, yes.
44:55I'm sorry for that part and that is it.
44:57Okay.
44:58I'm going to go enjoy that party.
45:00That's all I wanted to know.
45:01Demi and I are getting closer
45:03so I can see how aggravating this is for her.
45:05Taylor, you are on your own.
45:08Goodbye.
45:09Need my wings.
45:11Watch your head.
45:13Can I talk to you?
45:15Me?
45:15Yeah.
45:16Mom talk is supposed to be sisterhood
45:19and support and genuine friendships.
45:22However, I think Demi has let the money side
45:26and greed go to her head.
45:28Yes, mom talk is a business, but it's much more than that.
45:31I'm not scared of her, but she's a scary girl.
45:33If that makes sense.
45:34And we all need to be aware.
45:39And I just wanted to say I'm like, sorry.
45:40And I just, I want you to be careful with her as well.
45:43Yeah.
45:43This is the second time she's done you dirty behind your back.
45:45Yeah. I'm aware.
45:46Was that necessary to even tell you?
45:48Cause like that, that was weighing on me.
45:49Going to that, I'm glad I know.
45:51I am.
45:51I'm hurt, obviously.
45:52And I'm like embarrassed because it sucks.
45:54But like, that is my business I put out there
45:55and I don't want anyone thinking I'm bad,
45:57especially without context.
45:59Your best friend sending people elsewhere.
46:00Yes. And that, that is super hurtful.
46:02So yes, I'm glad I know.
46:03I do feel like I wouldn't have ever known probably.
46:07And it does make me wonder other things that were said.
46:09I don't know what to do right now.
46:10I feel like I'm kind of in shock.
46:11Like I just don't know how to like approach it.
46:13But I appreciate you telling me.
46:15I am feeling betrayed and kind of deflated.
46:18Like I feel like a deflated balloon.
46:19This group as a whole is really damaged.
46:21It's gotten to a really hostile point
46:23and I don't know what's going to happen.
46:26I don't know.
46:26I just, it just feels like the whole group right now.
46:28Like, I don't know where we're going to go from here.
46:29I, it feels.
46:30It's a mess.
46:31It is a mess.
46:37So excited.
46:38New Orleans has always been on my bucket list.
46:40Is that a pregnancy test?
46:41We're going to play pregnancy roulette.
46:43I was not planning on telling the girls I'm pregnant.
46:48I'm going to cry.
46:49Who is this?
46:50What I said was not shitting on your business.
46:53It was strictly what.
46:54Demi is the rot and the opposite of what mom talk is about.
46:58Like, shut up.
46:59Did everyone get the video of Jen?
47:01What?
47:02There are so many fractures within our group right now.
47:04Does anyone care about me?
47:07Taylor, I really don't see the need for her to even stick around.
47:10I'd go to war.