ASEAN summits happen year after year, but do they still matter to the people they claim to serve? In this episode of ASEAN KITA, we unpack what these high-level meetings really achieve, and how they can evolve to stay relevant.
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01:40ia sangat penting kerana mesyuarat plus-plus.
01:45Jadi saya reterakkan lagi.
01:47Semuanya bergantung pada ASSEAN Chairman,
01:49siapa mereka ingin menghubungi, siapa mereka sebenarnya
01:51ingin pemimpin tersebut di sini.
01:53Dari kesempatan saya, saya rasa,
01:55negara-negara yang tersebut di sini,
01:57negara-negara yang tersebut di sini,
01:59dan juga negara-negara yang tersebut di sini,
02:01dan juga negara-negara yang tersebut di sini.
02:03Jadi saya rasa sangat penting.
02:06Bagus adalah kita mengambil pemimpin dari Laos.
02:09dan untuk tahun lalu, Laos telah sangat sederhana.
02:13Jadi saya rasa ini adalah masa untuk Malaysia sebagai
02:16pemerintah untuk menunjukkan kesempatan ASEAN.
02:19Itulah yang Pemerintah Dato' Sri Anwar Ibrahim
02:22ingin ASEAN menjadi, Amiro.
02:25Kamu menyebutkan kesempatan kesempatan,
02:27tetapi bagaimana perkembangan sumit itu
02:30telah dibuat oleh penyakit luar-penyakit,
02:32seperti menguruskan kekuatan global,
02:34atau menguruskan krisis tersebut?
02:38Selalu, penyakit luar-penyakit yang akan menulis
02:42ASEAN yang akan menarik.
02:44Saya masih ingat,
02:45Jakarta menjadi pemerintah ASEAN,
02:48dan saya rasa pada masa yang sama,
02:50Jakarta menjadi pemerintah G20.
02:53dan pada masa itu, Bapak Jokowi,
02:57Pemerintah Indonesia, ingin mengucapkan
03:00Pemerintah Rusia, Kutin,
03:01dan ini mempunyai kesempatan
03:03atau beberapa penyakit dari
03:06EU dan Amerika.
03:08Jadi, pada masa itu,
03:10itu adalah pemerintah luar-pemerintah.
03:12Dan sekarang, saya rasa pemerintah luar-pemerintah
03:16pemerintah luar-pemerintah luar-pemerintah
03:18yang sangat penting.
03:19Terutamanya,
03:20pemerintah tarif, pemerintah
03:21antara Amerika dan China
03:23akan menulis Pemerintah ASEAN
03:25dan juga pemerintah Ukraina
03:27yang telah berlaku selama 3 tahun.
03:29dan untuk mengingatkan
03:31konflik berikutnya
03:32antara India dan Pakistan
03:34di mana Datuk Sereyano
03:36berbicara sebagai pemerintah
03:38tidak sebagai pemerintah
03:39dari Malaysia,
03:40kita perlu mengingatkan itu,
03:41tapi sebagai pemerintah ASEAN.
03:43Jadi, saya rasa sangat penting
03:45untuk tahu
03:46setiap kesempatan ASEAN
03:48akan menjadi penyakit
03:50kerana pemerintah luar-pemerintah
03:51kerana pemerintah luar-pemerintah
03:53yang telah berlaku.
03:54Pemerintah luar-pemerintah
03:57bagaimana anda mengakses
03:59penggunaan pemerintah
04:00dan penggunaan
04:01penggunaan ASEAN
04:02hari ini?
04:03Adakah pemerintah-pemerintah
04:05merasa bahawa
04:06kesempatan ini
04:07mengingatkan kehidupan mereka?
04:09Amirul,
04:10apabila anda berbicara
04:11tentang populasi general,
04:13saya akan mengatakan
04:14bahawa populasi Thailand,
04:16contohnya,
04:17ketika mereka menjadi pemerintah,
04:19mereka sangat mengatakan
04:21pemerintah ASEAN.
04:23Mereka berbicara tentang
04:25yang sama,
04:27yang berbicara tentang
04:28EU-Pemerintah.
04:29Dan kita tahu
04:30bahawa dengan
04:31penduduk tentang
04:32penduduk,
04:33EU mempunyai
04:35yang sangat terlalu
04:37yang berbicara.
04:38Mereka berbicara
04:39kepada EU-Pemerintah.
04:41Tapi,
04:42untuk ASEAN,
04:43bagi 10 ASEAN members,
04:44Amirul,
04:45saya akan berbicara
04:46yang pertama.
04:47Yang berbicara
04:49mereka merasa
04:50yang berbicara
04:51ASEAN.
04:52dan Malaysia,
04:54saya akan berbicara
04:55yang ketiga,
04:56ketiga, ketiga, ketiga,
04:57ketiga, ketiga.
04:58Mungkin.
04:59Saya rasa
05:00sekarang,
05:01Amirul,
05:02jika kita pergi ke
05:03Kuala Lumpur,
05:04di mana ASEAN
05:05akan berbicaraan,
05:06tidak banyak yang
05:08boleh dikaraan
05:09untuk menyebabkan
05:11Malaysia yang berbicaraan
05:12bahawa ini adalah
05:13sangat penting
05:14yang penting.
05:15Sehingga,
05:16mereka ingin
05:17PDP,
05:18kerja dari rumah,
05:20untuk kerjaan
05:22dari rumah,
05:23mereka berbicaraan
05:24dari rumah,
05:25hanya untuk mereka
05:26berkata,
05:27ada di ASEAN.
05:28Selain itu,
05:29Amirul,
05:30saya tidak rasa
05:31yang menurutkan
05:32sejauh,
05:33sejauh,
05:34sejauh,
05:35sejauh,
05:36sejauh,
05:37sejauh,
05:38sejauh,
05:39sejauh,
05:40sejauh,
05:41sejauh,
05:42sejauh,
05:43sejauh,
05:44sejauh,
05:45sejauh,
05:47sejauh,
05:48sejauh,
05:49sifat dengan
05:50lalu Ars然后,
05:51sejauh,
05:52sejauh,
05:53sejauh,
05:54sejauh,
05:55sejenAn
05:56kompangang,
05:57sejauh,
05:58sejauh,
05:59dikontak,
06:00sejenis
06:01sijauh,
06:02sejauh,
06:03sebagai contohan
06:04sejenis
06:06sejauh,
06:07sejenis
06:08di atas
06:10sejenis
06:11atau
06:12terbesar
06:13Sejauh,
06:14dikontak.
06:15Jadi,
06:16sejauhnya,
06:17Again, the geopolitical factor, the security, the defence also plays a very, very critical role here.
06:25Because within ASEAN, the South China Sea issue, even though only four ASEAN members are involved,
06:32there are three, I would say, groups in ASEAN.
06:36One group, they are more inclined to side with the United States.
06:40Another group, with Beijing.
06:42And another group, they just don't care.
06:44Whatever happened, they just follow.
06:46So, in this particular case, I would say that the geopolitical factor plays a very critical role,
06:52especially in the South China Sea.
06:54We know what happened to Manila when they are two-sided with the United States.
06:59Beijing are not happy.
07:01Currently, Balikatan military exercise is being conducted with the Philippines and also the United States Army.
07:08Beijing also don't feel easy, felt threatened.
07:12So, I would say that besides economy, I think the geopolitics, the defence, security will be the utmost important, Amir.
07:19And also, Prof, if I may ask, where does, you know, we talk about trade, economies and also security, like you mentioned, in the summit platform.
07:29But where do social, cultural or even education issues typically fall in the summit agenda?
07:34Are they seen as secondary now?
07:36Or are they gaining more traction in the summit as Malaysian chairs it, Prof?
07:42Amir, that's part of the pillars of ASEAN.
07:46Besides economy, besides geopolitics, there's a social, I would say, cohesion between the ASEAN members.
07:52But the problem is that we need visa to go to ASEAN nation.
07:59If we want to go to, I would say, Myanmar, Malaysia need a visa.
08:03If we want to go to another ASEAN nation, we need another visa.
08:07I think that's the reason, during the last Minister of Foreigns meeting,
08:12Tuk Man, our Foreign Minister, Datuk Sri Muhammad Hassan,
08:15has indeed proposed that ASEAN should have only one visa.
08:19One visa, you can enter all the nine nations.
08:23I'm not sure whether this will be picked up or not.
08:26That is something we need to see.
08:29But a few months ago, Amir, I need to say that.
08:32To say this thing that even though it's very, very sensitive, very uneasy,
08:36Myanmar, they put out a free visa.
08:40For all the eight nations of ASEAN, except for Malaysia.
08:43This is something that should not have happened.
08:48What's so special that Malaysia doesn't need a visa for our citizens to go to Myanmar.
08:54So I think the mobility of not only the between businessmen,
08:58but also the mobility of tourists,
09:01I think should be made more easier for ASEAN citizens to go
09:07from their origin of country to other nine nations.
09:12and I think that's when we need to work out.
09:15I think that's the reason why the social,
09:19the cultural pillar has been in the back burner all this while.
09:24And Prof, if you zoom in on tangible results,
09:27is there a recent ASEAN Summit outcome
09:30that you believe has genuinely made a difference
09:33to people on the region, on the ground,
09:35or something that moved beyond policy talk
09:38and into action, Prof?
09:41Well, I may be biased,
09:43but I don't see, I think, anything tangible.
09:47But I think for the future tangibility,
09:50I think Amirul, the Prime Minister,
09:52as the chairman of ASEAN,
09:54will conduct a GCC Summit
09:56together with ASEAN, the 10 nations,
09:59and also will be inviting China,
10:02I think plus Japan or South Korea
10:04will also be invited.
10:06I think this is very, very critical.
10:09If the background of tariff war,
10:10if we take into account,
10:12I think the chairman is trying to open up
10:15for ASEAN a new market.
10:17So GCC,
10:18the Gulf region is a huge market.
10:23I think that's the reason why
10:24the chairman won an ASEAN Summit
10:26plus the GCC.
10:28I think even though it's not happening,
10:30it's not happened yet,
10:32but I think it's going to be
10:33a very tangible result
10:35in terms of a new market
10:37proposed, strategized
10:39by the ASEAN chairman, Amirul.
10:42Prof, as a normal person,
10:44maybe they'll see in headlines
10:46saying that the summit's declarations
10:48and also MOUs
10:49or any agreement signed
10:51during the summit.
10:52But in practical terms,
10:54how long does it usually take
10:55for a decision made at a summit
10:58to actually show up
10:59in someone's daily life,
11:00whether through policy
11:01or programs, Prof?
11:04Yeah, Amirul.
11:04I think that's a problem with ASEAN
11:06because they work with consensus.
11:08Meaning all 10 nations
11:09need to be agreed.
11:11Every time declaration need
11:13or communicate need to be pulled out
11:15after the ASEAN Summit,
11:17it will be watered down.
11:19The draft will be watered down
11:20because one or two nations
11:22is not happy
11:23because we need consensus,
11:25not only on communicate,
11:26but also on policies
11:27that have been agreed upon.
11:29So I guess,
11:30I think that's the reason why
11:31I think the Prime Minister
11:33as a chairman
11:33take out,
11:36as I see it,
11:37elect or put out
11:39Thaksin Chinawat
11:39as the advisor
11:41for the chairman,
11:42not only Thaksin,
11:43but also Hansen
11:44from Cambodia
11:45and also Mr. Joshua
11:47from Singapore
11:48and maybe from Brunei,
11:49Indonesia.
11:50I'm not sure.
11:51I think the tactic,
11:52the strategy of the Prime Minister,
11:54the chairman,
11:54is that he wants consensus.
11:56I think that's the most important thing
11:58that Datuk Serano
11:59as a chairman
12:00try to figure out
12:02how to get a consensus
12:03from all the 10 nations
12:05on issues
12:06that are very critical
12:07to ASEAN.
12:08and I think there's a problem
12:09that the chairman face,
12:11every chairman face
12:12because
12:14even communique
12:16for the ASEAN summit
12:17is going to be very difficult,
12:19much more so
12:20for any decision
12:21that has been taken
12:23that need to be done,
12:24need a consensus
12:26from all the 10 nations.
12:28Or may I put out
12:29the idea of Timor-Leste
12:31to be the 11th member?
12:33The consensus
12:34starting,
12:34I think,
12:35a decade ago
12:36is very,
12:37very difficult
12:38to achieve.
12:39Up until today,
12:40I think,
12:41we reached the consensus
12:42whether Timor-Leste
12:43will be part of ASEAN
12:45this year or not
12:46or maybe next year.
12:47I think the problem is
12:48because of the consensus.
12:50It needs to be agreeable
12:51by all the 10 nations.
12:53And Prof,
12:54interestingly,
12:54you mentioned
12:55ASEAN's consensus model
12:56which has certainly
12:58kept the bloc stable
12:59but at the same time,
13:00it's often blamed
13:01for slow
13:02or watered-down decisions
13:03like you mentioned just now.
13:05So do you think
13:05it's time
13:06to start exploring
13:07majority-based
13:09decision-making
13:10or at least
13:10a non-sensitive
13:11or non-securities
13:13issues, Prof?
13:15Yeah,
13:15I think we need
13:16to change the charter.
13:17I think there's a charter
13:17of ASEAN consensus
13:19that's part of it.
13:20So if you want
13:21to change the charter,
13:22it needs to be agreeable
13:23by all the 10
13:25ASEAN nations.
13:26But again,
13:28due to,
13:29you know,
13:30the internal problem
13:31of other ASEAN nations,
13:32the charter said
13:33shouldn't be involved
13:35by other nations.
13:36But Malaysia
13:36took a precedent
13:37by commenting
13:39what's happening
13:40in Myanmar
13:41during ASEAN
13:42as the
13:44prime minister,
13:45if I'm not,
13:46as the government
13:47at that particular time.
13:48So we break the tabu
13:49at that particular
13:50issue of not
13:51interfering
13:53other internal
13:54problem
13:54of ASEAN member.
13:55so this is
13:56another tabu
13:57consensus,
13:58I think,
13:59but I didn't hear
14:00anything that
14:01Datuk Suryana
14:02want to change
14:02the consensus
14:03to simple majority.
14:05I haven't heard
14:05about that
14:06or two-thirds majority.
14:07I haven't heard.
14:08Maybe this is
14:09too sensitive issue
14:10to be said.
14:12Well,
14:12maybe we just
14:13wait and see.
14:14But again,
14:14I agree with you,
14:15Amirul,
14:15that this particular
14:17consensus thingy
14:18is bringing down
14:20ASEAN
14:21that the other
14:22world
14:23or other parts
14:23of the world
14:24do not put
14:25much attention
14:26on ASEAN itself.
14:28Well,
14:28we're just getting
14:29into the heart
14:29of what these
14:30summits really mean
14:31and why they matter
14:32or perhaps why
14:33they should.
14:34But we'll take
14:35a quick short break
14:36more on ASEAN
14:37after this.
14:51Welcome back
14:54and you're still
14:54watching ASEAN
14:55kita with me,
14:56Amirul Aiman
14:56where today
14:57we are with our guest
14:59Professor Dr. Azmi Hassan
15:01Geostrategist at
15:02Nusantara Academy
15:03for Strategic Research
15:04where we're still
15:05unpacking the bigger
15:06picture behind
15:07ASEAN summits
15:08and what they represent.
15:10Let's pick up
15:11where we left off, Prof.
15:12There's a common
15:13critique out there
15:14that some say
15:15ASEAN summits
15:16are mostly
15:17symbolic or ceremonial.
15:19As someone
15:20who follows
15:21Regional Affair
15:22closely,
15:23how do you
15:23respond to that?
15:24Do you think
15:25that perception
15:25is fair, Prof?
15:28Well, in a way
15:29it's true.
15:30It's true perception.
15:32There is a true
15:33reality to it.
15:35When the
15:35communique came out
15:372015
15:39when we were
15:40the chairman
15:41of ASEAN
15:42there is a KL
15:43declaration,
15:44Langkahwi
15:44declaration,
15:45two declaration
15:46in fact
15:46during our
15:47championship.
15:48But as far
15:49as we're
15:49as we can see
15:51both declaration
15:52especially the KL
15:54declaration
15:54to make
15:55the ASEAN
15:55community
15:56more viable,
15:58more vibrant
15:58is still
15:59not achievable.
16:00But again
16:01as a chairman
16:01now 10 years
16:03after that
16:04a decade
16:04after that
16:05I think
16:05Malaysia
16:06as a chairman
16:06will do
16:08something about it.
16:09Will do
16:09something concrete
16:10about it.
16:11And the most
16:11interesting
16:12part of our
16:13chairmanship
16:14is that
16:15to make
16:15ASEAN
16:16more centrality
16:18to make
16:18ASEAN
16:19more involved
16:20into international
16:22affair
16:22whether it's
16:23what's happening
16:24in Gaza
16:24what's happening
16:25in Ukraine
16:26and right now
16:27what's happening
16:28in the
16:28South Asia
16:29I think ASEAN
16:31need to be
16:32involved.
16:32They just
16:33cannot be
16:33keeping quiet
16:35to it.
16:36So I guess
16:36the perception
16:38will change.
16:38But again
16:39I stress
16:40that it all
16:41depends on
16:42that chairman
16:43who is the chairman
16:44whether the chairman
16:44want to take
16:45the risk
16:45or what the chairman
16:46want to take
16:47it easy
16:48that's how
16:49ASEAN
16:49will work out
16:51during that
16:52particular
16:52year.
16:55Prof
16:55would you say
16:56that smaller
16:57member states
16:57in particular
16:59find value
17:00in the ritual
17:01and ceremony
17:02of these summits
17:03as a form
17:03of equal footing
17:05between
17:05the larger power
17:06or the bigger
17:07powers in ASEAN
17:08Prof?
17:09Yes
17:09I think
17:10that's a very
17:10true perception
17:11because they
17:12have the same
17:12one-tenth
17:13of the power
17:13they have
17:14one-tenth
17:15of the vote
17:16within the
17:17ten ASEAN
17:18nations
17:18I think
17:19that's the
17:20reason why
17:20the ten ASEAN
17:22nations
17:22are very
17:23hesitant
17:23about Timor-Leste
17:24where the
17:25Timor-Leste
17:25which the
17:27GDP is
17:28way much
17:28lower than
17:29Laos
17:30for example
17:30in ASEAN
17:32and Timor-Leste
17:34doesn't have
17:35the infrastructure
17:35they don't have
17:36the personnel
17:37to conduct
17:38the meetings
17:39and we
17:39are giving
17:40another power
17:42to another
17:42nation
17:431-11
17:44so all
17:45the ASEAN
17:46nations
17:46have the
17:461-11
17:47power
17:48so I guess
17:49for Timor-Leste
17:50joining ASEAN
17:52it is the
17:53beneficial
17:54most of the
17:54benefit
17:55is on
17:56Timor-Leste
17:56not on
17:57ASEAN
17:58I think
17:58I think
17:58that's the
17:59reason
17:59I conquered
18:00with you
18:01when you
18:01said that
18:02the much
18:04smaller
18:04nation
18:04they
18:06I would
18:07say
18:07felt that
18:08I think
18:08that feeling
18:09that they
18:09have the
18:09similar
18:10power
18:10to other
18:11bigger
18:12nations
18:12in ASEAN
18:13I think
18:14that's the
18:14beauty of ASEAN
18:15I guess
18:15that's the
18:16beauty of ASEAN
18:16in this
18:17particular case
18:17and also
18:19Prof
18:19communication
18:20is key
18:20when it
18:21comes to
18:21ASEAN
18:22summits
18:22and all
18:23that
18:23in your
18:23view
18:24how can
18:24ASEAN
18:24do a
18:25better
18:25job
18:26explaining
18:27summit
18:27outcomes
18:28to the
18:29general
18:29public
18:29especially
18:30when
18:30technical
18:31or diplomatic
18:32language
18:32may
18:33make
18:35these
18:35outcomes
18:36feel
18:36distant
18:36or
18:37abstract
18:37to
18:38the
18:38regular
18:38ordinary
18:39people
18:39in ASEAN
18:40Prof
18:41true
18:43enough
18:43if I read
18:44the
18:44communique
18:45every
18:45end of
18:46the
18:46ASEAN
18:47summit
18:47and
18:47the
18:47declaration
18:48for
18:49example
18:49even
18:50KL
18:50declaration
18:51Langkawi
18:51declaration
18:52the
18:53words
18:54they
18:55use
18:55are
18:55jargon
18:59to me
18:59but
19:00to the
19:00diplomatic
19:01core
19:01I think
19:02they
19:02will
19:02understand
19:03so
19:03I guess
19:03it's the
19:04job
19:05of the
19:05chairman
19:05especially
19:06to
19:07explain
19:07in this
19:07particular
19:08case
19:09to
19:09explain
19:09to
19:09the
19:10Malaysians
19:10what
19:11is
19:11all
19:11about
19:11why
19:12is
19:12it
19:12so
19:12important
19:13this
19:13coming
19:1426
19:14and
19:1527
19:15the
19:15ASEAN
19:16summit
19:16and the
19:17job
19:17of
19:18every
19:18member
19:19of
19:19ASEAN
19:20to
19:21explain
19:21to
19:21their
19:22citizens
19:23in a
19:24term
19:24of
19:24simple
19:25language
19:26there
19:26are
19:26a
19:26number
19:27of
19:27ASEAN
19:27nations
19:28that
19:28citizens
19:30just
19:30don't
19:30care
19:31about
19:31ASEAN
19:32and
19:32and
19:32maybe
19:33I
19:33think
19:33if
19:34I
19:34pick
19:34up
19:34if
19:35Pete
19:35X
19:35the
19:36Secretary
19:37of
19:37Defense
19:38for
19:38United
19:38States
19:39never
19:39heard
19:39of
19:40ASEAN
19:40before
19:41he
19:41became
19:41the
19:41Secretary
19:41I'm
19:42sure
19:43that
19:43there
19:43are
19:43citizens
19:44of
19:44ASEAN
19:44that
19:45not
19:46only
19:46don't
19:46care
19:46about
19:47ASEAN
19:47but
19:48never
19:49heard
19:49about
19:50ASEAN
19:51itself
19:51so
19:52again
19:52we
19:53need
19:53to
19:53change
19:53this
19:53particular
19:54stigma
19:54that
19:56occurred
19:57during
19:57the
19:58hearing
19:58of
19:58the
19:59Secretary
19:59of
19:59Defense
20:00a few
20:00weeks
20:01ago
20:01Amiro
20:02and
20:03let's
20:04talk
20:04about
20:04accountability
20:05Prof
20:05how
20:05should
20:06we
20:06be
20:06measuring
20:06the
20:07success
20:07of
20:08ASEAN
20:08summits
20:09is it
20:09just
20:09about
20:09the
20:10number
20:10of
20:10agreement
20:10signed
20:11or
20:11perhaps
20:12is
20:12there
20:12a
20:12space
20:13for
20:13a
20:13deeper
20:14perhaps
20:14more
20:14people
20:15centric
20:15way
20:16of
20:16evaluating
20:16what
20:17has
20:17this
20:17meeting
20:18accomplished
20:18Prof
20:18from
20:21my
20:21point
20:21of
20:22view
20:22Amiro
20:22if
20:23the
20:23top
20:24leadership
20:24of
20:24United
20:25States
20:25talk
20:26to
20:26the
20:26top
20:27leadership
20:27of
20:27China
20:28for
20:29example
20:29I
20:30think
20:30that
20:30is
20:30a
20:31very
20:31success
20:32ASEAN
20:33summit
20:33ASEAN
20:34plus
20:34plus
20:35meeting
20:35so
20:35I
20:36would
20:36say
20:36that
20:36the
20:37success
20:37really
20:38doesn't
20:39matter
20:39how
20:39many
20:39memorandum
20:40that
20:40we
20:41put
20:41out
20:41how
20:41many
20:42policy
20:42that
20:42we
20:42put
20:43out
20:43how
20:44success
20:44is
20:45the
20:45chairman
20:45inviting
20:46these
20:47superpower
20:47leaders
20:48maybe
20:49not
20:49the
20:49president
20:49itself
20:50I
20:50think
20:51from
20:51United
20:51States
20:51point
20:52of
20:52view
20:52if
20:53they
20:53send
20:53Marco
20:55Rubio
20:55I
20:55think
20:56that
20:56is
20:56good
20:56enough
20:56for
20:57the
20:57Chinese
20:57part
20:58I
20:58think
20:58if
20:58they
20:58send
20:59Li
20:59Chiang
20:59maybe
21:00the
21:00premier
21:01I
21:01think
21:02that's
21:02good
21:02enough
21:02but
21:03I
21:03don't
21:03think
21:03so
21:03the
21:04top
21:04leaders
21:05will
21:05attend
21:06the
21:06ASEAN
21:06summit
21:06I
21:07think
21:07the
21:08chairman
21:08need
21:08to
21:08do
21:09as
21:10good
21:10as
21:10possible
21:10to
21:11tap
21:11in
21:12the
21:12top
21:12leadership
21:12plus
21:13the
21:13Russian
21:14and
21:14the
21:14EU
21:14top
21:15leadership
21:16so
21:16I
21:16think
21:16that
21:17the
21:17success
21:17that
21:18I
21:18would
21:18like
21:18to
21:18see
21:19Malaysia
21:20as
21:20chairman
21:20and
21:21ASEAN
21:21as
21:22an
21:22organisation
21:22that
21:23need
21:24to
21:24be
21:24respected
21:25and
21:26recently
21:27there
21:27have
21:27been
21:27quite
21:28a
21:28few
21:28natural
21:29disasters
21:30that
21:30happen
21:30in
21:31the
21:31region
21:32Prof
21:32when
21:33a
21:33sudden
21:33crisis
21:34strikes
21:34be
21:35it
21:35pandemic
21:36or
21:36natural
21:36disaster
21:37what
21:38mechanism
21:38that
21:38leaders
21:39convene
21:39and
21:39decide
21:40maybe
21:40perhaps
21:41outside
21:41the
21:41summit
21:42cycle
21:42because
21:42natural
21:43disasters
21:44could
21:44happen
21:44anytime
21:45as
21:45we
21:45see
21:46in
21:46Myanmar
21:46and
21:47also
21:47the
21:47effects
21:48in
21:48Thailand
21:48and
21:49also
21:49Indonesia
21:51set
21:51up
21:51a
21:51standing
21:51crisis
21:52task
21:52group
21:52empowered
21:53to
21:53take
21:54these
21:54provisional
21:55measures
21:55until
21:56the
21:56next
21:56forward
21:57summit
21:57Prof
21:58I
21:59think
21:59within
22:00ASEAN
22:00there
22:00are
22:01protocols
22:01to
22:02help
22:02another
22:02nation
22:03that
22:03has
22:04been
22:04imposed
22:05by
22:05disaster
22:06you
22:07mentioned
22:08Myanmar
22:08the
22:08earthquake
22:09Myanmar
22:09and
22:10when
22:10the
22:11Prime
22:11Minister
22:11visited
22:12Alatuk
22:13Seranoa
22:14visited
22:14Thailand
22:15he
22:15did
22:15call
22:16on
22:16the
22:16junta
22:17military
22:18Myanmar
22:18to
22:19have
22:19a
22:19discussion
22:19so
22:20a lot
22:21of
22:21analysis
22:22they
22:23are
22:23very
22:23hesitant
22:24why
22:24Datuk
22:25Seranoa
22:25need
22:25to
22:25talk
22:26to
22:26the
22:26military
22:27of
22:27Myanmar
22:27but
22:28one
22:28purpose
22:29why
22:29Datuk
22:29Seranoa
22:30calling
22:30is
22:30he
22:31want
22:31the
22:32ceasefire
22:33to be
22:33continued
22:34to be
22:35extended
22:36so that
22:37the
22:37humanitarian
22:37aid
22:38to
22:38Myanmar
22:38can
22:39be
22:40easily
22:40put
22:41forward
22:42again
22:43even
22:44though
22:44we
22:44have
22:45the
22:45protocol
22:45to
22:45have
22:46other
22:46nations
22:46other
22:47neighbors
22:48or
22:48within
22:49ASEAN
22:50but I
22:50think
22:51it
22:51all
22:51depends
22:52on
22:52the
22:52chairman
22:52how
22:53far
22:54he
22:54is
22:55willing
22:55to
22:55go
22:55so
22:56Datuk
22:56Seranoa
22:57talking
22:57to
22:57the
22:58military
22:59junta
22:59I
22:59think
22:59he
23:00did
23:00go
23:00very
23:00far
23:01even
23:02though
23:02here
23:02and
23:03then
23:03the
23:03military
23:04of
23:04Myanmar
23:05did
23:05break
23:07the
23:07ceasefire
23:07but
23:08again
23:08the
23:08initiative
23:09taken
23:09I
23:10think
23:10can
23:10be
23:11used
23:11as
23:11a
23:12model
23:13for
23:13the
23:13next
23:14chairman
23:14when
23:15disaster
23:15strike
23:16I
23:17think
23:17Malaysia
23:18are
23:18not
23:18that
23:18happy
23:19with
23:19Myanmar
23:19because
23:20as I
23:21said
23:22before
23:22they
23:23don't
23:23offer
23:23a
23:24free
23:24visa
23:24to
23:24us
23:25I
23:25am
23:25not
23:25sure
23:26why
23:26maybe
23:26we
23:26are
23:26very
23:27vocal
23:27but
23:28when
23:28disaster
23:28strike
23:29I
23:29think
23:29we
23:29have
23:30the
23:30responsibility
23:30to
23:31help
23:31Myanmar
23:32in
23:32this
23:32case
23:32and
23:34Prof
23:34looking
23:34forward
23:35if
23:35you
23:35were
23:35to
23:35imagine
23:36a
23:36more
23:36future
23:36facing
23:37and
23:37citizens
23:38connected
23:39ASEAN
23:39Summit
23:40what
23:40kinds
23:40of
23:41reforms
23:41or
23:41changes
23:42would
23:42you
23:42personally
23:43like
23:43to
23:44see
23:44what
23:44would
23:44it
23:44take
23:45make
23:45these
23:46summits
23:46more
23:47meaningful
23:47for
23:48the
23:48next
23:48generation
23:49of
23:49Southeast
23:51Asia
23:51which
23:51is
23:51the
23:51future
23:52of
23:52Southeast
23:52Asian
23:52Prof
23:53I
23:54think
23:54the
23:55only
23:55involvement
23:56of
23:56the
23:56general
23:57citizen
23:57whenever
23:58the
23:58ASEAN
23:59Summit
23:59whether
23:59in
23:59KL
24:00or
24:00other
24:00parts
24:01of
24:01ASEAN
24:01members
24:02is
24:03during
24:03the
24:04social
24:04cultural
24:05show
24:05I'm
24:06sure
24:06during
24:07the
24:07ASEAN
24:07Summit
24:07in
24:08Kolombo
24:08there
24:09will
24:09be
24:09a
24:09lot
24:09of
24:09us
24:09social
24:10cultural
24:11show
24:11to
24:11show
24:14our
24:14culture
24:15to
24:15show
24:15our
24:16and
24:16next
24:17year
24:17is
24:17our
24:17visit
24:18Malaysia
24:18year
24:182026
24:19that
24:20only
24:21part
24:21that
24:21the
24:22citizens
24:22are
24:23really
24:23involved
24:24the
24:24other
24:24parts
24:25when
24:25it
24:25comes
24:25to
24:25economy
24:26when
24:26it
24:27comes
24:27to
24:27security
24:28defense
24:29it's
24:30only
24:30the
24:30top
24:30level
24:31meeting
24:31either
24:32the
24:32senior
24:33officials
24:35of
24:36each
24:36ministry
24:37or
24:37the
24:37deputy
24:38minister
24:38and
24:39the
24:40prime
24:40minister
24:40I
24:41think
24:41we need
24:42to
24:42change
24:42that
24:42I
24:44think
24:44we
24:44can
24:44start
24:45by
24:45divulge
24:47what
24:47happened
24:48during
24:48this
24:49particular
24:49meeting
24:49in a
24:50very
24:50simple
24:51language
24:51that
24:52we
24:52can
24:52understand
24:53and
24:53it
24:54is
24:54very
24:54I
24:55think
24:55a
24:55model
24:56I
24:56think
24:56much
24:57better
24:57than
24:57European
24:58model
24:58where
24:59ASEAN
24:59even
25:00though
25:00they
25:00have
25:01pressures
25:02from
25:02external
25:03superpowers
25:04even
25:04though
25:04we
25:04have
25:05internal
25:05problems
25:06no
25:07breakout
25:07of
25:08problem
25:08physical
25:09problem
25:10I
25:10meant
25:11by
25:11that
25:11so
25:12I
25:12think
25:12we
25:13need
25:13to
25:13divulge
25:14this
25:15information
25:15in a
25:16language
25:17that
25:17can
25:17be
25:18easily
25:18understood
25:19by
25:20the
25:20people
25:20and
25:21before
25:22we
25:22end
25:22the
25:22show
25:23I
25:23have
25:23one
25:23more
25:23question
25:24and
25:24when
25:24we
25:25talk
25:25about
25:25reforms
25:26that
25:26we
25:26want
25:26to
25:26do
25:26with
25:27ASEAN
25:27as a
25:27bloc
25:27one
25:28challenge
25:29of a
25:29race
25:29is
25:30maintaining
25:30the
25:31national
25:31sovereignty
25:32of
25:32each
25:32nation
25:33how
25:33do
25:33you
25:34think
25:34ASEAN
25:34can
25:35innovate
25:35the
25:36summit
25:36structures
25:40have
25:40right
25:40now
25:41Prof
25:41yeah
25:42sovereignty
25:43I
25:43think
25:43let's
25:44take
25:44I
25:44would
25:45say
25:45sovereignty
25:45in terms
25:46of
25:46border
25:47or
25:48multiple
25:48claim
25:49in
25:49South
25:50China
25:50also
25:52between
25:53Cambodia
25:53and Thailand
25:54also
25:55between
25:55Malaysia
25:55and Singapore
25:56I
25:57think
25:57this
25:57is
25:57a
25:57bilateral
25:58issues
25:59we
26:01have
26:01maritime
26:02problem
26:02especially
26:03near
26:04the
26:04port
26:05of
26:05Johor
26:06with
26:06Singapore
26:06and
26:07with
26:08Prime
26:08Minister
26:08Lawrence
26:09Wong
26:10re-elected
26:11as
26:11Prime
26:12Minister
26:12and
26:13I
26:13think
26:13Prime
26:14Minister
26:14Lawrence
26:15Wong
26:15said
26:15that
26:15we
26:16want
26:16to
26:16discuss
26:17with
26:17Malaysia
26:17with
26:17this
26:18particular
26:18issue
26:18the
26:19water
26:20issue
26:20for
26:20example
26:20so
26:21I
26:21think
26:21these
26:22bilateral
26:23issues
26:23need
26:24to be
26:24resolved
26:25by
26:26the
26:27two
26:27nations
26:27or
26:27the
26:28three
26:28nations
26:28involved
26:29yes
26:29in
26:29South
26:30China
26:30see
26:30our
26:31EEZ
26:31is
26:32conflicting
26:33overlap
26:34with
26:35Vietnam
26:35overlap
26:36with
26:36Brunei
26:37but
26:37I
26:37think
26:37with
26:39Brunei
26:39we
26:39are
26:39resolved
26:40we
26:40only
26:40resolve
26:41it
26:41not
26:41with
26:42Vietnam
26:42not
26:42with
26:43Philippines
26:43but
26:43I
26:43think
26:44it's
26:44not
26:44the
26:44critical
26:45part
26:45of
26:45it
26:45but
26:46I
26:46think
26:46in
26:46this
26:46particular
26:47case
26:47ASEAN
26:48as an
26:49organisation
26:50should not
26:50be
26:50involved
26:51but
26:51between
26:52the
26:52two
26:52bilateral
26:53or
26:53trilateral
26:54nation
26:55in this
26:55case
26:56well
26:57that's
26:57time
26:57that
26:57we
26:57have
26:58for
26:58today's
26:58episode
26:59of
26:59ASEAN
26:59Kita
27:00we
27:00would
27:00like
27:00to
27:00thank
27:01Professor
27:01Dr
27:01Azmi
27:02Hassan
27:02Geostrategist
27:03at
27:03Nusantara
27:04Academy
27:04for
27:05strategic
27:05research
27:06for his
27:06insights
27:07as
27:07Malaysia
27:07prepares
27:08to
27:08chair
27:09the
27:09ASEAN
27:09Summit
27:10this
27:10month
27:11and
27:11because
27:11regionalism
27:12only
27:12works
27:12when
27:13the
27:13people
27:13it
27:14serves
27:14feel
27:15included
27:16I'm
27:16Amroul
27:16Aiman
27:16thank
27:17you
27:17for
27:17watching
27:17until
27:18next
27:18time
27:19see
27:19you
27:19on
27:19ASEAN
27:19Kita