Truth, Lies and Billy Jack Haynes
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00:00The standoff took place this morning in front of this house after police say they responded to
00:10reports. 85-year-old Jeanette DeCraft was killed yesterday morning. You want to say that nothing
00:16in wrestling surprises you? A former professional wrestler is now accused of shooting and killing
00:22his wife. That's surprising. And then all of a sudden the news broke. It's Billy Jack.
00:30He just electrifies the crowd and they love him. What? Billy Jack did what? I could have
00:35believed it but I didn't. I didn't want to believe it. Billy Jack Haynes. Years before this shocking
00:42crime, Billy Jack Haynes had lived the dream, rising from Oregon's regional circuit to stardom
00:48in wrestling's golden age of the 1980s. Portland, Oregon, Billy Jack Haynes. Billy Jack had everything,
00:56all the tools to be a top professional wrestler. His career was in reverse. He started as a star
01:06and he finished as a nobody. But Billy Jack's dealings outside the ring hinted at a mysterious
01:12life, one almost too extraordinary to believe. Billy said he had been involved in the drug
01:19business, as a collector, an enforcer. When I was in Portland, I was about a kilo a day
01:24cocaine dealer. Billy has made many, many claims. I was contracted to go down there to kill two
01:30Arkansas State police officers. You don't know fact from fiction with Billy Jack Haynes. I kept
01:35that secret from everybody. Now, as the former star faces murder charges, those who knew Billy Jack
01:42Haynes looked back on the road that led him here. So Billy Jack was his own worst enemy. He didn't
01:48even know it. He was a loaded gun, brother. You never know what he's thinking. You know, a lot of
01:53guys fall hard in wrestling, but he fell harder than most, without a doubt.
01:58In the wrestling industry, I guess a lot of people may have forgotten about him.
02:13I've got Oregon blood flowing through these veins!
02:16Even the most diehard WWF fan today would say, well, yeah, Billy Jack, he was there.
02:23What did he do? People now in the present day are trying to go back because of what's happened
02:33with Billy and trying to figure out, where did this start? We knew one day Billy Jack would do
02:39something crazy, but we never thought it would be that crazy. It shot me, and then again, it didn't.
02:47I don't know if you can understand that. That's one thing where when Billy messed up,
02:52he messed up. Final mess up. I guess if you took everything and laid it on the table,
03:00you could see it coming up. Before his recent murder charge, Billy Jack's past reveals other
03:07crimes, including two assault charges before he's 30. But the same mean streak that gets him
03:13into trouble also creates new opportunities in the wrestling business.
03:17Billy Jack Haynes was a thug. He was a street fighter. He was a boxer, a wrestler. Tough guy,
03:25don't get me wrong. My dad found him as a gym rat, and he's below that now. All his bios say he was
03:35trained by Stu Hart. Stu Hart threw him out of Canada because he was too rough and beat all his
03:41boys up. So he was back being a gym rat in Portland, Oregon when my dad and the assassin Dave Sierra found him.
03:49Well, he came to the Portland Sports Arena looking for work, and we got him hooked up.
03:55He looked unreal. He was like, you know, jacked to the max.
03:59Me and Rip the Crippler, Oliver, talked to promoter Don Owens into using him. We knew with that size body
04:10and his home being the Pacific Northwest that we can draw money with him.
04:15Billy Jack Haynes, I mean, he just, he fit the part, and everybody was giving him a chance.
04:21In 1982, Billy rockets to the top with a persona tailor-made for fans in the Pacific Northwest.
04:28Billy Jack's gimmick and look came from the movie, Billy Jack, starring Tom Laughlin,
04:34about the ex-serviceman who was a karate expert and a loner. He was a dangerous man,
04:41but soft-spoken, but don't cross him. Billy Jack, whose look, physique, the aura,
04:47and the presence he had, the fans went crazy for him, like he was their very own hometown movie star.
04:53The Portland, Oregon boy is coming out to Victoria!
04:57So Billy Jack was a very effective babyface promo guy for Portland, Oregon.
05:01Thank you, everybody in Portland, for supporting me. I love you. Thank you.
05:06Nice guy, loved his father, loved Oregon, loved Portland, you know what I mean?
05:11And he was Billy Jack from the movie, trying to get revenge on these different heels.
05:16Make a little bit more noise and I'll get it for you. Let's go!
05:19Come on!
05:19Everyone knew he was a rising star. You know, the 80s was all about the look.
05:23He had the look.
05:24And I'm sure all the fans here are going to like this man, Billy Jack Haynes.
05:29What a fantastic build on this young man, Johnny.
05:32They loved him, you know. Every time Billy Jack was on the card, sold out.
05:36From the time he first stepped foot in the ring, he was featured. He was pushed by the promoters.
05:41Small territory? Pushed him. Went to a bigger territory? Pushed him.
05:45I know Billy Jack Haynes from the territory days.
05:48When he came to the Florida Temperature Wrestling, he was pretty laid back, kind of a low-key guy and a loner.
05:57My name's Bill Fonze Alfonso and I've been in the wrestling business for 45 years.
06:05I don't want to use the word oddball, but he was kind of different from all the wrestlers.
06:09We'd go out to the after party, have cocktails and drink and smoke a joint and so on.
06:16Billy Jack would go with the fans and their kids to pizza and have pizza with them.
06:22The fans loved him. He loved the fans. He was committed.
06:28After just four years of working in smaller promotions,
06:32Billy Jack Haynes gets the call in 1986 from Vince McMahon's World Wrestling Federation.
06:37If you wanted to go deep into Vince McMahon's mind and create a professional wrestler
06:46based on what he thought they should look like, Billy Jack was the guy.
06:51Now I'm here in the WWF. It's a World Wrestling Federation.
06:55And believe me, I know full well this is where the stiffest and the toughest competition is.
06:59He wrestled in that Detroit WrestleMania. They had over 100,000 people shows up.
07:05Billy Jack Haynes!
07:08For a wrestler, that's the top of the mountain.
07:11Look at the builds on these two guys.
07:15Patera! And his tag team partner!
07:20Billy needed a tag team partner to elevate his persona.
07:25So it worked out good. It worked out real good.
07:28This is Ken Patera, coming straight at you.
07:32And I used to wrestle with Billy Jack Haynes.
07:37His appearance was,
07:39Don't f*** with me.
07:40How's that?
07:44Well, we weren't told anything about the gimmick.
07:48Pat Patterson came in the locker room and said,
07:51Well, we got chainsaws, and you guys are the Oregon Lumberjacks now.
07:58And they wanted us to crank those chainsaws up so they were actually running.
08:04I said, are you f***ing nuts?
08:08I'm not going to turn this chainsaw on, you know, so somebody could get an arm cut off.
08:14Just do this.
08:17Oh, there it is!
08:18Billy had a super nice personality and everything.
08:22Soft-spoken and whatnot.
08:24The nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.
08:26Billy Jack Haynes and Ken Patera!
08:30But the gloss wears off after a while.
08:35All respects, Billy Jack had a fantastic body, state and shape.
08:39But upstairs, brother, that's a different story.
08:41Everyone knows me in pro wrestling as a grappler.
08:44I wrestled Billy Jack Haynes many times.
08:48He's one of those guys you never know what he's going to try.
08:51I never could trust him.
08:53He's not going to decide, you know, he's mad about something, and all of a sudden knocked the hell out of you.
08:59He was an off-the-hinge type character.
09:02His finishing maneuver would be the full Nelson, and once he locked that full Nelson in you, you felt like he was going to break your neck.
09:15Nobody has ever gotten out of the full Nelson.
09:17Once Billy Jack Haynes has got it locked in, and he had it locked in.
09:20Once you gave up, he would just sling you, I mean, like a piece of trash to the side.
09:25In the locker room, he had a reputation for boom.
09:32I could see in his eyes, he was like a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde.
09:35I've seen him snap several times.
09:38One night, we're in Florida.
09:40The match is over, and Percy Pringle was Rude's manager.
09:44And Billy Jack came in, and he didn't like the way the finish went.
09:47He walks in and slaps the piss out of Percy Pringle.
09:50He goes, this guy screwed up the finish, you idiot.
09:53That was his mentality.
09:54That's the way he handled things.
09:56We did a show, and Smirnoff pulled a fire alarm, got us in trouble.
10:02Next thing I know, Billy done face-locked Smirnoff.
10:05Smirnoff went to the bathroom himself.
10:08It was so bad.
10:10In Tampa, some smart-ass guy was checking Billy Jack out.
10:15He said, oh, that fake bullshit.
10:17I could kick ass.
10:18I just remember him snatching him into the headlock
10:20and punching him in the face about 20 times really quick.
10:24Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
10:27He'd beat the hell out of the person
10:28and then kick right out of it like nothing happened.
10:31He did it because he could.
10:33I mean, right there, I've noticed this guy's a bully.
10:36He takes on who he knows he can handle.
10:38You know, so I didn't respect that.
10:40He went to jail on two or three occasions, I believe,
10:45for beating people up.
10:46But he always said, they deserved it.
10:52Oregon men don't back down to nobody.
10:55You know, he's got a heart, but then he's got the other side.
10:58You know, where you screw him over,
11:00he'll come in your house, pull you out,
11:02and beat you to death.
11:03I would never think that the Billy Jack that I knew in the 80s
11:10would have ended up doing what he did.
11:16Police have now confirmed a woman was found dead
11:18and a man was taken into custody
11:20after an hours-long police standoff.
11:23There's a whole lot that people don't know about me,
11:45and the law isn't always right.
11:48The law isn't always wrong.
11:53Believe half of what you hear and nothing of what you see.
11:57Billy Jack Haynes!
11:59I'm Billy Jack Haynes from the World Wrestling Federation
12:05and a 14-year pro.
12:07Good to talk to you.
12:16Right now, I'm in Noma County Justice Center jail.
12:19I've been incarcerated six months.
12:22What I'm talking to you guys today about
12:24is one small percentage of my life,
12:26and there's a whole big part of my life I'm leaving out here.
12:29The position I'm in right now,
12:30it's hard for me to bring up anything and talk about it.
12:33I have my attorney out there,
12:34so I'm glad that he's here today.
12:37It's a second-degree murder.
12:40And it's just way overcharged.
12:43That didn't happen.
12:47There's only really two human beings
12:49that I really loved.
12:50That was my father,
12:51who was blind and in a wheelchair.
12:53And then the other was my wife,
12:55who allegedly I murdered,
12:58which you're going to find I didn't.
13:00And I loved her more than life.
13:04Weighing 247 pounds.
13:07Cold wrestling is a work.
13:08We all know that.
13:10But we took it real serious
13:11back when we were in it.
13:13Oh, look at the blood just spewing
13:16out of the forehead.
13:17I don't want to be negative
13:18towards anybody in this industry.
13:20You know, I don't.
13:21I respect the wrestlers so much.
13:23But, you know,
13:23they don't know me.
13:26Throughout his wrestling career,
13:28Billy Jack Haynes remains distant,
13:30private to the point of secrecy.
13:33He was not the life of the party,
13:35the life of the locker room.
13:36He wasn't making friends hand over fist.
13:38He was just that big guy over there.
13:40It's like something's going on.
13:43Billy Jack was a true loner.
13:46Then I realized he was very manipulative.
13:49He always had an agenda.
13:52And you never knew what he was up to.
13:54Well, we'd go check in at the hotel there.
13:59Five minutes later,
14:00Billy would be gone.
14:02And he did that every f***ing night.
14:04I didn't know what he was doing.
14:08At that time,
14:09I was really heavy into the narcotics,
14:13into the painkillers.
14:15Uppers, lowers,
14:16I mean, you name it,
14:17you couldn't survive without it.
14:18I was five days a week
14:20in and out of airports.
14:23Different cities.
14:26349th a year.
14:29I took 20,
14:30sometimes 25 pills a day.
14:33Vicodin, Percocet,
14:35he got in the way of wrestling and my life.
14:37All you beautiful children,
14:39drugs are negative.
14:40You are a positive influence for the world.
14:42I love you very much.
14:43Say no to drugs.
14:45Drugs are no good, you know.
14:46It's not good.
14:49Well,
14:50we're at the Oakland Coliseum
14:51in a tag team.
14:54It's time for the match.
14:56Billy's nowhere to be found.
14:58About an hour later,
14:59all the matches were over,
15:01and here comes Billy.
15:04Oh, he looked like hell.
15:06I said,
15:06Billy, you missed the match.
15:08Ah,
15:09completely out of it.
15:13McMahon said that he was going to give us a big push,
15:16and I think
15:17we can throw that out the window.
15:22How did it come to an end
15:23at WWF in your run?
15:25Oh, yeah.
15:26Yeah,
15:26I probably...
15:29What do you think about that?
15:31On the plane?
15:34You guys should talk about that?
15:36Well,
15:37it happens.
15:38Now, what I heard
15:42is that he overdosed
15:44on some codeine,
15:45I think.
15:46He was falling out of the mouth.
15:47He was jerking.
15:49We had that mercy landing.
15:50They thought he was dying.
15:52I was this close away from death,
15:54and they had to jumpstart me twice.
15:58I'd be gone.
16:00You know,
16:00and with WWF,
16:01I mean,
16:01it's like,
16:01they don't want that bad,
16:02but we'll see you getting out.
16:03You know what I mean?
16:04And that was the final straw.
16:06He was never in the top spot in WrestleMania.
16:09He was never a major singles champion,
16:12and after about a year and a half,
16:14he was fired by the WWF.
16:16Returning to Portland,
16:19Billy Jack shocks his former colleagues
16:21by turning on the promoter who made him.
16:24But everybody knows
16:26that the state of Oregon
16:27has the number one wrestling fan
16:29in the world.
16:30The Oregon Wrestling Federation
16:33is what Billy Jack wanted to open
16:35so he could be Vince McMahon
16:37of the Pacific Northwest.
16:39That was his words.
16:41WWF was going to be his baby.
16:43We said,
16:44Billy,
16:44Don Owens made you,
16:46and now you're opening
16:47a company against him.
16:49And I couldn't believe it.
16:52You got to have money
16:52to back that.
16:54Sponsors and all that.
16:55You know,
16:56somebody's got some deep pockets
16:57if you want to try to do that.
16:59Was there two weeks,
17:01and the shows that were running
17:02weren't drawing anything.
17:04There was a couple hundred people
17:05in the audience,
17:05so it kind of fizzed out pretty quick.
17:07And I got a check on Friday,
17:10and he said,
17:11Fonzie,
17:11can you please not cash it
17:13until Monday?
17:14So I knew I was in trouble.
17:16And I went right to the bank
17:17and cash it,
17:18and I left.
17:19Finally,
17:20one day we come in,
17:21he said,
17:21I'm closing, guys.
17:23And that was it.
17:24The collapse of the Oregon
17:25Wrestling Federation
17:26was pretty spectacular.
17:28Billy Jack Haynes
17:29really left a lot of guys hanging,
17:31and there was a lot of bad blood.
17:33It hurt Billy's reputation
17:35with a lot of people.
17:36That was my bad
17:38due to the fact
17:39that my head
17:40wasn't screwed on right,
17:41and probably a little bit
17:44to do with the pills, too.
17:46Struggling with addiction
17:47and running out of allies,
17:49in 1996,
17:50Hanes' once promising career
17:53crashes to a halt.
17:55Just a shame
17:57and a pity
17:58because he had the world
17:59by the string.
18:01He never became the star
18:02to the magnitude
18:03of what people had predicted.
18:06By the time
18:06his wrestling career
18:07was over,
18:09nobody trusted him,
18:10and all that potential
18:11just dribbled away with it.
18:14Though his wrestling days
18:15may be over,
18:16it doesn't take long
18:18for Billy Jack
18:18to find his way back
18:20into the spotlight.
18:22He was a little strange,
18:23a little standoffish,
18:25sometimes a little
18:25off-putting, whatever.
18:27He was kind of weird,
18:29and suddenly,
18:30you saw him
18:30a few years later,
18:32and there started
18:33to be this change.
18:35In retirement,
18:36Billy Jack hits
18:37the interview circuit
18:38revealing a shocking detail.
18:40While in wrestling,
18:42he'd been living
18:42a secret double life
18:44of crime.
18:46Starting way back
18:47in the 70s,
18:48I was about a kilo
18:49a day cocaine dealer,
18:50and I kept that secret
18:51from everybody.
18:53I just wanted to go in
18:54and actually do something
18:55in the pro wrestling industry
18:57instead of a drug runner,
18:59leg breaker,
19:00and worse.
19:01I mean,
19:02making 30 grand a week,
19:03I lit a lot of guys up,
19:05and a lot of guys
19:06got addicted
19:06to the cocaine
19:07that I sold them.
19:08You know,
19:09very nefarious things
19:10went on back in the 80s.
19:13In 2017,
19:15Billy Jack makes
19:16an even more shocking claim,
19:18linking himself
19:19to a famous
19:20unsolved murder.
19:22It's been over 30 years
19:23since two teenage boys
19:24were found dead
19:25on these tracks
19:26in Saline County.
19:27The tracks are still here,
19:28and so is the mystery
19:29regarding what happened.
19:30What's new
19:31is a witness has come forward.
19:32I helped put the kids
19:33on the tracks.
19:34They were already dead.
19:36They've been murdered.
19:36Well, over 30 years ago,
19:44a Union Pacific train
19:45ran over
19:46two Saline County teenagers.
19:47The deaths of Kevin Ives
19:49and Don Henry
19:49have become one of
19:50Arkansas's
19:50most notorious mystery.
19:52There was a famous
19:54murder case
19:54in Arkansas
19:55back in the 80s
19:57where these two
19:59teenage boys
20:00were run over
20:02by a train
20:02is what they thought
20:03originally happened.
20:04In the pre-dawn hours
20:06of August 23rd, 1987,
20:09a 75-car cargo train
20:11made its regular night run
20:12to Little Rock, Arkansas.
20:14With engineer
20:14Stephen Schroeder
20:15grew closer,
20:16he made the horrifying
20:17discovery that two boys
20:19were lying motionless
20:20across the railroad tracks.
20:23Well, then,
20:23somebody else investigated
20:25and found out
20:25they had been beaten.
20:26They had injuries.
20:28They weren't just
20:28run over by a train.
20:30Then Billy Jack
20:31started claiming
20:32that he was there
20:34and saw the murder
20:36because these two teenagers
20:38wandered into a drug deal.
20:43His story,
20:45the drug people,
20:46wanted him to supervise
20:48the drug drop
20:49and pay off
20:50to make sure
20:50that everything goes okay.
20:52And he was going
20:53to videotape it also.
20:55And he said,
20:57I wore a wrestling mask.
20:59I'd been around
21:00the dope game
21:00for a long time.
21:02I went down there
21:02by myself
21:03after I wrestled
21:04King Kong Bundy.
21:05We went to the tracks.
21:06The drop was made.
21:08Apparently,
21:09these kids wandered up
21:10on it
21:11and as a result,
21:12the drug people
21:13killed them
21:13and put them
21:14on the railroad tracks.
21:16They were just
21:17in the wrong place
21:18at the wrong time.
21:19I helped put the kids
21:20on the tracks.
21:21No, I was there.
21:22I helped.
21:24They've been murdered.
21:25They were already dead.
21:27The judge is going
21:28to come out
21:28so this woman
21:29Linda Ias
21:30can have a life.
21:32Billy Jack's claims
21:33about the unsolved murders
21:35are taken seriously
21:36by the mother
21:37of one of the victims
21:38as well as by
21:39the family's
21:40private investigator.
21:42I mean,
21:42there was no good reason
21:43to insert yourself
21:44into a murder case.
21:46He has nothing to gain
21:47and everything to lose.
21:49He's put himself
21:49in jeopardy
21:50not only as freedom,
21:52but also his life.
21:53They're hopeful
21:54that law enforcement
21:55will now take a look.
22:08As Billy Jack
22:09continues sharing his story,
22:11other details
22:12sound increasingly
22:13unbelievable.
22:15There was drops
22:16that were being stolen,
22:17cocaine drops.
22:18I was sent down there
22:19to take care
22:21of two state police officers
22:22from Arkansas.
22:24But it was an inside job.
22:26He told me
22:27that he was running
22:28with one of the biggest
22:30drug dealers
22:31in the country.
22:32I've dealt drugs
22:33at the highest level
22:34you can.
22:34That's uncut coke.
22:37Well, in the beginning
22:38when I first started
22:38hearing the stories,
22:39I thought,
22:39come on, Billy, really?
22:41But when it gets
22:42right down to it,
22:43he can prove it.
22:44He brought it all out
22:45in an interview
22:46on several occasions,
22:48as a matter of fact.
22:49The things that he said
22:50about it
22:51and all this stuff
22:51is all verifiable,
22:53but that's about
22:54all I can say about it.
22:56I can't talk about it.
22:59I'd love to,
23:00but I can't.
23:00But haven't you told
23:01that story so many times?
23:03I wish I could talk
23:04to you guys,
23:04I can't.
23:06What can you tell me
23:07without getting into details?
23:08Is it true?
23:09Did you hear that?
23:15That is probably
23:16a subject you should move on.
23:20Leave it alone.
23:31As Billy Jack's
23:32interview appearances
23:33become more frequent,
23:35his claims extend
23:36far beyond drug dealing
23:37and the boys on the tracks.
23:39And many begin
23:40to wonder
23:40what's behind it.
23:43From show tonight,
23:45Angie Grace would say.
23:46Everything you're going
23:47to hear is true.
23:48He looked
23:49completely ridiculous
23:50and then he had
23:52this white hair
23:53but it was like
23:54a mop-top cut
23:56like he was
23:56Pete Best,
23:57the fifth Beatle.
23:58My mother
23:59and my uncle
24:00when I was 15
24:01were both murdered.
24:02There was two politicians
24:04that were involved.
24:06And he started
24:07concocting these stories
24:09where he was in the middle
24:11of a variety
24:12of newsworthy events.
24:14Andy Gibb
24:15had a gig
24:16in San Francisco
24:18and one of my first
24:19big deliveries
24:20was there
24:21to the concert.
24:22I delivered
24:23one kilo to him
24:24July 31st, 1978.
24:28Some say,
24:29well,
24:29he knows stuff
24:30that nobody else knows.
24:31Well,
24:31this dude studies shit,
24:32I can tell you that.
24:34And that's how nutty he was.
24:35He don't have nothing
24:36better to do
24:36but to try to find
24:38his way to make himself
24:39back in the scene.
24:40I had cocaines
24:41from the median cartel
24:43in Columbia.
24:44So I started
24:45making more money.
24:46The Clintons
24:47are involved too.
24:49Well, now,
24:49was he a drug enforcer
24:50for the Clintons?
24:52Why the
24:52would Bill Clinton
24:54call
24:55Billy Jack Haines?
24:57Yeah,
24:57that's stupid.
24:59I took it
25:00for a grain of salt.
25:02He had to be
25:03on some good drugs
25:04to think that.
25:06But then
25:06the question becomes,
25:08where was the
25:09bizarre behavior
25:10originating?
25:11Conspiracy theories
25:12and being the
25:13Forrest Gump
25:14of crime,
25:15it not only
25:16sounds so preposterous
25:17but there was
25:17no upside to him.
25:19It was just
25:19interviews
25:20being done
25:20with this
25:21kooky old man
25:22that people
25:23would put up
25:24on the internet.
25:25I've wanted to know
25:26who my real dad
25:27is for a long time,
25:28whether it's
25:28Lenny Montana,
25:30whether it's
25:31Vince McMahon Sr.,
25:32which it could have been,
25:33because he supposedly
25:34had sex with my mother.
25:36This senior
25:36could be my father.
25:37There's a long history
25:38to that.
25:38I don't know
25:39if we get into it
25:39today or not.
25:40Claiming to be
25:41the son of Vince
25:41McMahon Sr.,
25:42you know,
25:42aside from being
25:43ridiculous,
25:45that's unbelievable
25:46that somebody
25:46wouldn't try
25:47to pass that off.
25:48When I heard
25:50stuff like that,
25:51I would say,
25:52man,
25:52Billy's really
25:53losing it.
25:53What's causing
25:55Billy Jack
25:55to make up
25:57stuff that's
25:58obviously not true?
26:009-11 was an
26:01inside job,
26:02and no question
26:02about it.
26:03All you have to do
26:04in this world
26:05is follow the money.
26:07So this isn't
26:08going to make
26:08the Bush family
26:09too happy,
26:09but they're
26:10involved too.
26:11He did look
26:12like someone
26:13that would say
26:14anything just
26:16to be on a podcast,
26:17get more money
26:19out of that podcast.
26:21I'm not afraid
26:22to come in front
26:23of this camera
26:24and tell you
26:24the truth,
26:25and either you're
26:26going to believe it
26:26or you're not
26:27going to believe it.
26:28The idea was
26:29if you tell
26:30crazy stories,
26:32there will be
26:32an appetite for more
26:33even though it's
26:34all bullshit.
26:35You're probably
26:36going to be
26:36looking at a dead man.
26:38Maybe by the time
26:39this video gets out,
26:40everything I've said
26:41can get me killed.
26:42Everything I've said
26:43with Vince
26:43can get me killed.
26:46One preposterous
26:47thing in wrestling
26:48can be true.
26:49With some people,
26:50a couple of
26:50preposterous things
26:51can be true.
26:52But when you're
26:53just pulling shit
26:54out of your ass
26:55over and over,
26:57then even if
26:58one or two of
26:58those things is true,
26:59nobody's going
27:00to believe them.
27:02Amid all of the
27:03astonishing claims
27:05Billy Jack makes,
27:06at least one truth
27:07stands out.
27:08January 10th,
27:112006,
27:12there was
27:12attempted murder
27:13on me.
27:20Once again,
27:21I'm speaking for
27:22the people
27:22under the ground
27:23right now.
27:24They can't speak
27:24for themselves.
27:25So let me do it,
27:26please.
27:27From 2006
27:28to 2023,
27:30Billy Jack Haynes
27:31makes a series
27:32of shocking statements
27:33and explosive accusations.
27:36Vincent Cain McMahon,
27:38I call it
27:38Vincent Killer McMahon.
27:41Yeah, that's right.
27:42You're a killer.
27:43Though many of
27:44Billy Jack's stories
27:45are dismissed
27:46as conspiracy theories,
27:47a violent incident
27:48in 2006
27:49suggests that
27:50Billy Jack's ties
27:51to organized crime
27:53may be legitimate.
27:54This is the file
27:57from the work
27:57I did 16 years ago.
28:00Police reports,
28:01letters from
28:02Billy Jack
28:02and a couple
28:04photos of Billy
28:05in the hospital.
28:08At the time,
28:09I was writing
28:09a column
28:10for the Portland
28:10Tribune.
28:11And so next thing
28:12I knew,
28:13Billy Jack
28:14is knocking
28:15on my door.
28:16He looked like
28:16Frankenstein's monster.
28:18He'd just gotten
28:18out of the hospital.
28:19He'd had several bones
28:21in his face broken
28:22and he had stitches,
28:23as I recall.
28:23We sat down
28:24and he started
28:26telling me his story.
28:28Basically,
28:29that he'd been called
28:30over to
28:31Jimmy Longoria's
28:32car lot.
28:34Longoria family
28:34was certainly
28:35one of the more
28:37prominent Portland
28:38crime families.
28:39Billy had been
28:40a bill collector
28:41and he said
28:43he'd delivered drugs
28:44for the Longorias.
28:46What have you got?
28:47What is all this stuff?
28:47Yeah, these are
28:48letters from Billy Jack
28:50from months
28:51after it came
28:52to my place.
28:54On January 10th, 2006,
28:57I was set up
28:57for a hit
28:58or to be killed
29:00by two hitmen
29:01hired by Jimmy Longoria.
29:03I drove through
29:04the open gate
29:05at the time scheduled
29:069 a.m.
29:06and I parked
29:07about 30 feet
29:07inside the lot
29:08where I met a man
29:09and asked where
29:10I could find
29:11Jimmy Longoria.
29:12The man motioned
29:13over his left
29:14and Jimmy Longoria
29:15was sitting at a desk
29:16with his hands
29:17behind his head
29:18with a very cocky
29:18look on his face.
29:20I said,
29:20you're going
29:21to kill me,
29:22aren't you?
29:24It was then,
29:24I believe,
29:25that Jimmy told me
29:26that paybacks
29:27are a bitch,
29:28Billy Jack.
29:29I remember
29:29looking at the
29:31office windows
29:31and seeing four men
29:33and I thought
29:33I was a dead man.
29:34It was very clear
29:36that two guys
29:37attacked him.
29:38They beat him
29:39so badly
29:40that he had
29:40to play dead.
29:42He knew
29:43they wanted
29:44to kill him.
29:45They said
29:45I would have
29:46been dead.
29:47The instinct
29:47reaction saved me.
29:48Probably one
29:49of the little
29:49instincts I have
29:50left to save me.
29:54Jimmy Longoria
29:55had a pretty
29:56airtight alibi.
29:58He said
29:59two tweakers
30:00came onto his lot
30:02and provoked
30:04Billy into a fight.
30:05He said
30:06he'd never seen
30:06him before
30:07and couldn't identify him.
30:08I think they
30:09probably worked
30:09for Longoria.
30:11The surveillance
30:12cameras somehow
30:13had not been working
30:15which was of course
30:16very suspicious.
30:18I cannot see
30:19out of my right eye.
30:21Want to look
30:22if you can focus
30:23in here
30:23in my eye?
30:25Billy said
30:25it was retribution
30:27for 15 or 16 years
30:29before
30:30when he had
30:31ripped off
30:31$200,000.
30:33He'd been a courier
30:34back and forth
30:35from Portland
30:36to Los Angeles
30:37taking coke
30:37one way
30:38and money
30:38the other.
30:39Let's just say
30:40in the 80s
30:41I transported drugs
30:43at a 1986
30:44Toyota 4x4.
30:46They put
30:46the built-in
30:47cabinet
30:48or toolbox.
30:49On the way
30:50back he broke
30:50into the toolbox
30:52saw a million
30:53$200,000
30:54figured that
30:55$200,000
30:55should belong
30:57to him.
30:58I gave
30:58the million bucks
30:59I took my
30:59$200,000.
31:01Billy said
31:02this beating
31:03was retribution
31:04for that.
31:04I think he
31:08ripped off
31:09the Longdorias.
31:09I think
31:10that much
31:10is true.
31:12But the idea
31:13that they would
31:13have waited
31:1416 years
31:15didn't make
31:15any sense
31:16to me at all.
31:23There are also
31:24rumors that
31:25Billy Jack's
31:26organized crime
31:27connections
31:27might have been
31:28involved in his
31:29short-lived promotion
31:30in the late
31:311980s.
31:35I've heard
31:36rumors.
31:36I don't know
31:37something about
31:37the mafia
31:38but I don't
31:38know anything
31:38about that.
31:40What I
31:41understood
31:41he had
31:42cricket sponsors
31:43and they
31:45seen a bunch
31:46of money
31:46getting lost
31:47fast and
31:48they just
31:48all one
31:49by one
31:50pulled out
31:50and that's
31:51why I think
31:51his promotion
31:52folded even
31:53faster.
31:54A lot of
31:55people that
31:56open wrestling
31:56promotions
31:57get into that
31:58because it's
31:59the easiest
32:00way to
32:00clean money.
32:01As far as
32:01the money
32:02coming from
32:02nefarious
32:03characters
32:03it's very
32:05possible.
32:06He had a
32:06very dark
32:07life and he
32:07probably had
32:08some very
32:08dark friends.
32:13I'm generally
32:14sympathetic to
32:15oddball characters
32:16like Billy Jack
32:18but he was a
32:19puzzling character.
32:21When we were
32:21having lunch
32:22one day I
32:23mentioned the
32:2330-year-old
32:24murder of
32:25corrections
32:26official Michael
32:27Franke.
32:27I explained
32:29the case to
32:30him and we
32:31went on to
32:32something else
32:32and about two
32:33months later
32:34Billy Jack
32:35sends me
32:36something all
32:37of a sudden
32:37claiming to
32:38have been
32:39involved and
32:40a witness to
32:41the Michael
32:41Franke killer.
32:43He didn't know
32:43anything about
32:44Michael Franke
32:45before I told
32:46him.
32:46In 1991
32:47in May 1st
32:49on my dad's
32:49birthday of the
32:50murder of
32:50Michael Franke
32:51I was forced
32:52out of Oregon
32:53before my dad
32:54would be killed
32:55I was told.
32:56I think maybe
32:57he convinced
32:57himself that
32:59he was involved
33:00that he had
33:01actually seen
33:02the assassination.
33:03He was
33:03collecting
33:04newspaper articles
33:06police reports
33:07and marking
33:08them up
33:09the whole
33:10page would
33:10be colored.
33:12He always
33:12had his
33:13binders in
33:13his shit
33:14I don't know
33:14what was in
33:15it but he
33:15had them
33:16he always
33:17had them.
33:18It's just
33:18documentation
33:19that's all
33:19I can say.
33:20It's not my
33:21place to go
33:22into those
33:22kinds of
33:22things you
33:23know.
33:24Right now
33:24as we speak
33:25I'm writing
33:25an autobiography
33:26with one
33:27of the best
33:27writers in
33:28the world.
33:29It's something
33:30in there
33:30when people
33:31read you'll
33:31see it's
33:32documented
33:33and it
33:34may or
33:35may not
33:35get me
33:36killed
33:36I don't
33:36know.
33:37He had
33:37quite a
33:38bit of
33:38stuff in
33:38there yeah.
33:39At that
33:40point it
33:40was sort
33:40of hands
33:41off for
33:41me and
33:42I just
33:42sort of
33:42back away
33:43from the
33:43case
33:43and say
33:44I don't
33:45know what
33:45parts of
33:46this are
33:46true and
33:47what parts
33:47aren't.
33:48The beating
33:49was certainly
33:50for real
33:51the involvement
33:53was almost
33:54certainly
33:54quite real
33:55the rest
33:57I don't
33:58know.
34:00He talked
34:00like he
34:00believed it
34:01even as
34:02nutty as
34:03Billy Jack
34:03Eanes
34:03was did
34:04I think
34:05that you
34:05know he
34:06would be
34:0670 years
34:06old and
34:07the SWAT
34:07team would
34:08be outside
34:08of Billy Jack
34:09Eanes house
34:09there's a
34:11reason you're
34:11in trouble
34:11a lot
34:12because you
34:12just gravitate
34:13to Trump
34:13this matter
34:14is going
34:14to be
34:15page 22
34:15line 3
34:16Mr. Haynes
34:17By 2019
34:23Billy Jack
34:24Haynes is
34:25living a
34:25nomadic
34:25lifestyle
34:26making rare
34:27interview
34:28appearances
34:28I wore
34:30Oregon here
34:31there
34:32take that
34:33Oregon
34:34stick it up
34:35your ass
34:35He'd been
34:36a non-entity
34:37in the wrestling
34:38world for
34:3925 years
34:40By the
34:43time he
34:43started
34:44just being
34:45the weird
34:46person that
34:47we've seen
34:48in modern
34:48times I
34:49think you'd
34:49almost have
34:50to say he
34:50was on
34:51some kind
34:51of substance
34:52I heard
34:53that he
34:54was having
34:54financial
34:55difficulties
34:56You think
34:57you're on
34:57top of the
34:58world
34:58and the next
34:58day you
34:58turn around
34:59and you
34:59ain't got
34:59two nickels
35:00to rub
35:00together
35:00He was
35:02homeless
35:02Yeah
35:03Homeless
35:04Yeah that's
35:05right
35:06He might be
35:06in sleep
35:07Rep Oliver
35:09opened his
35:10house
35:10for Bailey
35:11Jack to
35:11live there
35:12So Rip
35:13I found
35:15out that
35:15he was
35:16dying
35:162019
35:17in December
35:18so I
35:19left Portland
35:20and flew
35:21down to
35:21Florida
35:21and spent
35:22the last
35:22three months
35:23with him
35:23I'm not
35:24looking for
35:24no pat
35:25on the back
35:25nothing like
35:25that
35:26he was
35:26a great
35:26guy
35:27He never
35:28came here
35:28for my
35:29dad
35:29he came
35:29here
35:29to have
35:30a free
35:30place
35:30to live
35:31and if
35:32he was
35:32on pills
35:32before he
35:33got there
35:33he damn
35:34sure was
35:34before he
35:34left
35:35You said
35:36he stole
35:36your dad's
35:36pills
35:37Yeah
35:37My dad
35:39was
35:39I don't know
35:40months away
35:40from dying
35:41My dad
35:42was on
35:42the real
35:42shit
35:43the highest
35:43they go
35:44the stuff
35:45to put
35:45people in
35:45comas
35:46He started
35:48taking Rip's
35:49Percocets or
35:50Vicodin which Rip
35:51really needed
35:52because he was
35:52very sick
35:53I think he was
35:54more taking
35:55advantage of Rip
35:56and Rip
35:57was paying
35:58for everything
35:59Billy got
36:01in this scheme
36:02and called
36:03Brian Blair
36:04up
36:04Brian Blair
36:05ran Cauliflower
36:06Alley
36:07They helped
36:08wrestlers
36:08with problems
36:09I don't know
36:10what happened
36:10but Billy
36:11called Brian
36:12Rip's dying
36:14he needed
36:14his help
36:15he's going
36:15to lose
36:15his property
36:16This is what
36:17my dad told me
36:18Cauliflower
36:19Alley Club
36:19paid for his
36:20back taxes
36:21on his house
36:21they paid for his rent
36:22they paid everything
36:23for him
36:24Well
36:25my dad didn't
36:26owe taxes
36:27When he died
36:28he didn't
36:28owe taxes
36:29and my dad told me
36:31that Billy took
36:32half and
36:32he gave him half
36:33My dad was
36:36a junkie
36:36I don't mean
36:37to say that bad
36:38but he was
36:39hooked
36:40he was done
36:40you know
36:41He wanted me
36:43to be there
36:43and I was there
36:44all the way
36:44to hospice
36:45until he finally
36:46died
36:46I didn't want
36:47him to be alone
36:47I know he stole
36:49all my dad's shit
36:50before he died
36:51Everybody's got
36:52stories
36:52that I've seen
36:53it
36:54they finally
36:54came out
36:55after you know
36:5630 something years
36:58He took advantage
36:59of everybody
37:00Back in Portland
37:14Billy Jack begins
37:15a relationship
37:16with Jan Bacraft
37:17the mother
37:18of his friend
37:18Todd
37:19The Bacraft family
37:21disapproves
37:22of the relationship
37:23but when Todd
37:24unexpectedly dies
37:25in 2021
37:26Billy Jack
37:27and Jan
37:28get married
37:28She was like 85
37:30and he's like 70
37:31and so when I saw
37:32the age of the woman
37:33you know
37:34you hear stuff
37:35from people
37:35was he like
37:37using her for money
37:38or a place to live
37:39or whatever
37:39This is actually
37:45the main house
37:45This is the main bedroom
37:48on this side
37:49and then the living room
37:50because you can't see
37:51through the kitchen
37:52My name is Tom Matthew
37:53I was actually living here
37:55before Billy Jack moved in
37:57You talk to anybody
37:58in the neighborhood
37:59they all loved him
37:59He would walk around
38:01talk to everybody
38:01He really loved Jan a lot
38:04and he was quite devoted
38:05to her
38:05She was sick
38:06She was ill
38:08with dementia
38:10Some days she'd have
38:11good days
38:11and some days
38:12most of the days
38:13were bad
38:13and that wore
38:15on Billy pretty hard
38:16She had some good days
38:18but they were getting worse
38:19and her family
38:20definitely did not like
38:21them being together
38:22and I don't think
38:24they were going to separate
38:24In my opinion
38:26he took very good care
38:28of her
38:28and wanted to protect her
38:30and keep her
38:31from any kind of harm
38:32The last time I spoke to him
38:34it was two days before
38:35the incident
38:37and I told Billy
38:39I said Billy
38:39you look terrible
38:40He hadn't slept
38:41He hadn't hardly eaten anything
38:43People with dementia
38:45they become combative
38:46It's tough
38:47to watch a loved one
38:49you know
38:49go through that
38:50kind of mental decline
38:51I seen the cop cars
38:55and stuff
38:55on my security camera
38:56so I went outside
38:58I had to see what was going on
38:59and I looked down the street
38:59and I saw them all down
39:00in front of Billy's place
39:01and I thought
39:01oh shit
39:02Detectives have been
39:03at the scene all day
39:04and police say
39:05the investigation
39:05is just getting started
39:07I hear a banging
39:09on the window
39:09out the back window
39:11like
39:11and I looked out
39:12and it was quiet
39:12it was freaking overkill
39:14I mean
39:14they had this place
39:15locked down
39:16Tactical teams
39:17including the special
39:18emergency reaction team
39:19and the crisis
39:20negotiation team
39:21were called to the scene
39:23Around two hours later
39:24a man was detained
39:26So what happened?
39:27Well
39:29I mean
39:29he took her life
39:30and it took them
39:33like maybe an hour
39:33to be in and out
39:35when they actually
39:35took her body out
39:36When Billy was arrested
39:39the whole neighborhood
39:40basically was in shock
39:42just like me
39:43I didn't believe it either
39:44at first
39:45He's just a big
39:46gentle giant
39:46you know
39:47and when you see it
39:48first hand
39:50it tears your heart out
39:52Billy Jack
39:54was kind of a nut
39:56you know
39:57and people thought
39:57at this point
39:58he's that old
39:59he's a harmless nut
40:00Nobody thought
40:01he was going to go off
40:02and murder anybody
40:04but then the question
40:05becomes
40:06why in the world
40:08would you ever
40:09do something like that?
40:16Billy Jack Haines
40:17is facing unlawful use
40:19of a weapon
40:19and murder charges
40:20today after the
40:21alleged shooting
40:22earlier this month
40:23Although questions
40:25linger around
40:26Billy Jack's
40:27numerous claims
40:27and criminal activity
40:29one fact remains
40:30undeniable
40:31On February 8th
40:342024
40:34Billy Jack Haines
40:36took the life
40:37of Jeanette Bacraft
40:39Now as he faces
40:42trial for
40:42second degree murder
40:43Billy Jack
40:44has a new story
40:45to tell
40:46Billy claims
40:48that she had
40:48dementia
40:49so bad
40:50that it was
40:52unbearable
40:53he couldn't live
40:53with it anymore
40:54he called it
40:55a mercy killing
40:56because she didn't
40:58know who she was
40:59anymore
40:59Supposedly
41:01shot his wife
41:02in the head
41:03and that's a
41:04mercy killing
41:05I don't know
41:06brother
41:07Maybe he thought
41:09that was
41:09justifiable
41:10to do that
41:11It's a very
41:12sad situation
41:13and I don't know
41:15what they're gonna
41:15do justice wise
41:16but that's up
41:18to I guess
41:19the court
41:20to decide
41:21I don't care
41:22for him
41:22it ain't
41:23because he killed
41:24his wife
41:24but let that
41:27play out in court
41:28If I were his lawyer
41:29I'd certainly
41:30make a diminished
41:31capacity case
41:33for him
41:33He'd obviously
41:35been taking beatings
41:36throughout his career
41:38and if nothing else
41:40dating from the beating
41:43he got
41:43at the Longoria's
41:45car lab
41:45You ask anybody
41:47and they'll tell you
41:48He loved Jan
41:50unconditionally
41:51She was his world
41:53Whatever happened
41:54as unfortunate
41:55as it is
41:56I think
41:57was a big mistake
41:58That's what makes it
41:59all that much more
42:00difficult to
42:01deal with
42:02Damn it
42:05I'm lesser
42:05It hurts my heart
42:07Mercy killing
42:10is the phrase
42:11that they used
42:12Who's ever gonna know
42:14the only person
42:14that's alive
42:15that was in the room
42:16with him
42:16is Billy Jack
42:17and you can't believe
42:18a thing he says
42:19If I come across crazy
42:21I must be the smartest
42:22craziest guy
42:23there ever is
42:24I'll never ever forget
42:26the state of Oregon
42:27and the beautiful fans
42:28that supported me
42:29through pro wrestling
42:30Fans in Oregon
42:31old enough to remember
42:32probably still have
42:33a fond spot for him
42:34but now
42:35more people
42:36in and out of wrestling
42:37are gonna remember
42:38the crazy stories
42:40he told
42:40and the things
42:41that he invented
42:42that he was involved in
42:43and finally
42:44the murder of his wife
42:46they're gonna remember
42:47that more than anything
42:48he did in wrestling
42:49Let me have your attention
42:51I don't want
42:52any fan
42:53to ever come up to me
42:54and ask for
42:55an autograph again
42:56He was the guy
42:58who had a couple
42:59good years
42:59at a time when wrestling
43:00was pretty big
43:01made something of a name
43:02and had a very
43:03very troubled existence
43:04after that fame ended
43:06It's not a happy ending
43:08There's no silver lining
43:09in this story
43:09unfortunately
43:10So how do you think
43:12Billy Jack's story
43:13is gonna end?
43:14Boy
43:14that's a
43:15million dollar question
43:17when that door
43:30shuts
43:30gets to reality
43:31real quick
43:32that there's no
43:33getting out of here
43:33not till 12
43:37Do you feel good
43:49about your chances?
43:50I do
43:51SIT
44:05if you
44:07or
44:07if
44:08or