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00:01What are India's expectations from an EU partnership?
00:07That's the first part of the question.
00:09And the second, of course, is that, you know, you did make a very important point that maybe
00:15Donald Trump has popularized Arctic beyond the traditional circles of examination.
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00:24The syllabus has become more popular.
00:25The syllabus has become more popular.
00:27That's right.
00:28Now, the question for you is, how do you mobilize constituencies at home to respond to, perhaps,
00:34this moment when maybe, like the President mentioned, Indian private sector and other stakeholders
00:41could be motivated to look at this region more closely?
00:45Well, when you ask me about Europe, you mean on Arctic or generally speaking?
00:49Generally speaking.
00:51Okay, considering where they are right now, you know, they tried to play the strategic
00:56autonomy game.
00:57Like you mentioned, security from America, energy from Russia, markets from China, strategic
01:02autonomy of a European variety, not going that well right now.
01:06But how do you and what do you as India expect from Europe?
01:09Well, look, when we look out at the world, Samir, we look for partners.
01:15We don't look for preachers, particularly preachers who don't practice at home what they preach
01:22abroad.
01:23And I think some of Europe is still struggling with that problem.
01:26Some of it is changing.
01:28So, the issue for us, I mean, in many ways, Europe, I think, has entered a certain zone
01:40of reality check.
01:42Now, whether they are able to step up to it or not, it is something we will have to see.
01:49But from our point of view, if we are to develop a partnership, there has to be some understanding,
01:55there has to be some sensitivity, there has to be a mutuality of interest, and there has
02:03to be a realization of how the world works.
02:10And I think these are all work in progress to differing degrees with different parts of
02:16Europe.
02:17So, some have moved further, some a little bit less.
02:23I am so tempted to make this conversation about the point you have just raised, but we
02:28will end it there on this particular aspect that Europe has to get beyond preaching and
02:32start acting based on a framework of mutuality.
02:35What about India's own constituencies?
02:37How do you mobilize them to act in this new world which is so, in some sense, geometrically
02:42different?
02:43You know, part of the reason why I always found President Grimson's visits and our conversations
02:49interesting, because he was, I mean, at least speaking for me, he was broadening my horizons
02:56with every conversation.
02:58And I think, as a country today, we need to broaden our horizons.
03:03Because, as I said, when I look at the size, I mean, just think, think of an India, let
03:12us say, population would be about 1.6, 1.7 billion, per capita income of, say, 10,000,
03:2212,000, 15,000 dollars.
03:26What would be the resource demands of that India on the world?
03:32What would be the contribution of India to that world?
03:37So, even today when we look at key partners, sometimes people read us too tactically.
03:42You know, if I were to refer, for example, to a subject which has been, you know, last
03:49few years a little controversial, India-Russia, you know, there is such an important fit, a
03:56complementarity between India and Russia as a resource provider and a resource consumer.
04:01When I look at where all Indian diplomacy, you know, typically we would look at, you know,
04:08a very simple sort of political metric.
04:12Today I have a different range of partners in different domains and one very important
04:18domain is resources.
04:20So that is why Russia and Australia, Brazil and Indonesia, Africa, these are important for
04:26us and that is why connectivity, you know.
04:30We have been discussing, for example, you know, President, we have a project called Chennai
04:36for the south, Vladivostok Corridor.
04:39Now, this was our little bit of preparation for something which is to come, which is the
04:44Northern Sea Route.
04:46So, for us today, the NSR, the NWP, the Northwest Passage, the TSR, these matter because just
04:55like IMEC matters, that, or the India, Middle East, Europe corridor, because the world is,
05:03you know, we are going to, if technology changes, literally with climate change, geography is going
05:11to change, okay, climate is going to change, our definite, you know, which economies work
05:18to what extent in which areas is going to change.
05:21With all these moving parts, I think it is kind of important that there is an awareness
05:27in our country.
05:28And one of the, I think, positives I see, when I look today at the number of universities,
05:35and I am sure many people sitting here are connected to them, that I think at last count,
05:40we have about 25 universities, and my number may be a bit behind, 25 universities actively
05:47connected with research or, you know, some kind of policy making on the Arctic policy.
05:57The fact that we are today producing research papers much more prolifically than in the past.
06:04So, it isn't just a question of one research station, two observatories, two antennas, and a
06:09ground station out there.
06:11I think things are happening at home.
06:13That is supporting a much deeper engagement with the Arctic.
06:19And I would even say to the President, and I am sure I will make a few other people in the room happy,
06:26that is one of the drivers of our intensive engagement with the Nordics.
06:33That, you know, if you look at it, we are due for the next India-Nordic summit very shortly.
06:41Among the initiatives that you have seen in the last ten years under Prime Minister Modi,
06:46one which nobody saw coming, but which has actually been sustained, which has been very serious,
06:53has been really the extent of our Nordic engagement.
06:59I think you are the next year.
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