On this episode of Biscuits and Jam, Southern Living’s Sid Evans sits down with Landon Bryant, the internet’s new favorite Southern culture commentator. Raised in Laurel, Mississippi, Landon shares how his upbringing shaped his humor, what led him to write “Bless Your Heart: A Field Guide to All Things Southern,” and how he arrived at some of the viral takes that got him in hot water—like his controversial opinions on deviled eggs and grits.
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00:00Landon Bryant, welcome to Biscuits and Jam.
00:02So glad to be here.
00:04Well, it's great to see you here.
00:07Great to be able to do this in person.
00:09You know, a lot of times I'm doing this over Zoom,
00:11so it's nice to actually be sitting here face-to-face,
00:14especially after seeing you for, you know, the last few years
00:17in that little box on the screen.
00:19Crawled out of the phone.
00:20Yeah.
00:21Here we are.
00:22Congrats on the new book.
00:23Thank you so much.
00:24It's called Bless Your Heart, A Field Guide to All Things Southern.
00:29And it sure is a field guide to all things Southern.
00:32As I was working with the editors, nobody was Southern.
00:35So it went from—
00:37Yes, so every draft I would get back would be just like solid red of like,
00:42what is this?
00:43What are you talking about?
00:44So it turned into a field guide because it ended up with footnotes and cross-references.
00:48So it's actually quite an academic little book.
00:50I didn't mean for it to be, but it ended up having to be.
00:54Were they challenging your English?
00:56Challenging the grammar, challenging the English and the word choices
00:58and all of it.
00:59Like, Mike could.
01:01Oh, yeah.
01:02Just red all over.
01:03But it made it good because I had to defend those things and have a reason for them.
01:08And that was—it turned into something more than what it would have been
01:11if I hadn't had to do that.
01:12Yeah.
01:12I want to ask you about that phrase, bless your heart.
01:16So, you know, that's the name of the book.
01:19It can mean so many different things.
01:21It can mean so many things.
01:22Depending on who's saying it and how they're saying it,
01:27what's your favorite use of that phrase?
01:29Well, let me say, before I say my favorite use of the phrase,
01:33I think that we as Southerners, if you're Southern and listening,
01:36we've got to start using bless your heart sincerely a little bit more
01:39because everywhere I go, everybody thinks bless your heart only means negative stuff.
01:43So bless your heart means literally bless your heart.
01:46Like, it literally means bless your heart,
01:47but it also can mean, like, you know, maybe not that smart
01:50or, like, I don't really approve.
01:52It just depends on the context of the situation.
01:55Yeah, yeah.
01:56It's—I think over the years,
01:59it's definitely gotten a little bit more of a negative connotation.
02:03People are more comfortable being a little bit negative with it, yeah, for sure.
02:07Well, I want to come back to the book in a minute, Landon,
02:10but first I want to talk about Laurel, Mississippi,
02:14which is your hometown.
02:15It's where you grew up.
02:18Tell me a little bit about the community in Laurel.
02:21For someone who's never been there, what does it feel like?
02:24Well, it is a very small town.
02:26It's a small town, and it is a wonderful place.
02:29I love Laurel.
02:30I love Laurel very much.
02:31It's gone through a rapid transformation the past decade or so.
02:36Right after the recession, a bunch of people moved home because we had to.
02:40You know, there's not much going on to do.
02:42So a bunch of people moved back to Laurel.
02:43A lot of them were very creative people,
02:45and they started, like, the Main Street organization
02:47and really started putting resources into downtown.
02:51And then we had Aaron and Ben Napier come along with their TV show,
02:54and it's just blown up since then.
02:56So we got it going, and then they took it and ran with it,
02:58and now it's used to if you pan the camera over, it might not look as nice.
03:03But now you can pan all around, and it's a beautiful, beautiful little town.
03:06But it's a great place.
03:07It's full of very artistic people.
03:09It's full of people that definitely are small-town people,
03:13and we're all worked up about our own things, you know.
03:16But it's a fun place to grow up.
03:18It's a good place to start a career in media or whatever I would say
03:23because I have known since I was a small child that when I leave my door,
03:27somebody's going to go tell my daddy what I did,
03:29and I'm going to have to go say hello to everybody and speak to everybody.
03:32So now this larger platform that I have, it's not that different than that.
03:37I know when I'm going out the door, somebody's going to see me
03:39and say something and tell my daddy, you know.
03:41So it kind of translated into this bigger platform.
03:47I've heard the Napiers say the same thing about that town,
03:50and I'm wondering, you know, if you've gotten to know them particularly well.
03:56I'm guessing in such a small town, you've probably known them for a long time.
04:00I've known them for a long time, and they are wonderful people.
04:02They're exactly who you see on the screen.
04:04They are just really hardworking people.
04:07They love their family.
04:08They have always been involved in the town.
04:11Before the show even, they were downtown working on it
04:14and doing the most in whatever way they could.
04:17And they're very impressive people.
04:18I'm really grateful to both of them.
04:20I feel like I owe them most of my career
04:22because when I first started doing this,
04:25when you blow up online, there's a lot of scams that come in.
04:29There's a lot of, like, agents that maybe aren't real agents
04:31that you don't know how to navigate that,
04:33and I did not know how to navigate that.
04:35So I called Erin and was like, help, you know.
04:37And she did, and she got me in touch with my literary agent now
04:41that was her previous literary agent or still is her literary agent.
04:44And that agent has helped me with all the other things
04:47that I've branched out into
04:48and made sure that those people were legitimate.
04:51So having that in with Erin to a legitimate agency
04:55was kind of key to the whole thing.
04:59That base building up from there has been really, really, really great for me.
05:03Yeah. Well, they're very generous people,
05:07and I think they've definitely kept it real somehow, you know,
05:13through all these years and all the TV and everything.
05:16It's kind of what you see is what you get.
05:18I think that was purposeful as well.
05:21I mean, I know in my own, whatever it is that I do,
05:23whatever it is that you call that I do,
05:25I think it is a strategy to keep it real like that
05:28because I think if it was acting and if it wasn't genuine,
05:31it would be a lot harder to maintain, you know,
05:33to maintain that facade, and Erin and Ben are who you see.
05:36So it's not, I don't think they have to put anything on for the show,
05:40and they don't have to put anything on when they're meeting people
05:42because that's who they are.
05:43And I've kind of copied that strategy.
05:45Well, I want to ask you about your family a little bit,
05:50and I'm wondering, you know, when you think about this book
05:54and you think about your point of view about the South
05:58and everything that you talk about online and on social media,
06:04who's the person in your family who's been the most influential
06:08when it comes to all that?
06:10I would say my great-grandmother has, and she's passed on,
06:14but I grew up being kept by her like while my parents would work
06:19before you get to preschool, before you get to school.
06:21And I just, I grew up like in the red dirt between the corn rows
06:26while she would be in a dress, doing whatever she's doing outside.
06:30She would be in her flower garden, kneeling in the dress.
06:33You know, she didn't respect the dresses as like seriousness.
06:37Some precious thing.
06:38Right. She was just very, she was very fun.
06:41Everything was very magical with her.
06:43Everything was about showing love and being kind
06:45and caring for the people around you.
06:48If it was up to her, we all would have lived in her house with her
06:50for the rest of her life.
06:51Like her entire family of like 55 people, she would have kept all of us.
06:55And I think it was a beautiful way to start life with her.
06:59And her and my great-grandfather, his name was Darling,
07:01so that's like where we were, you know,
07:03like he was literally named Darling and he was the sweetest man.
07:06So they were just wonderful people.
07:07They were farmers and he worked at Masonite in Laurel
07:11and they just are your average, really wonderful people.
07:15And I learned so much growing up from her and her approach to life.
07:19She would do things like me and my cousin Molly.
07:22We were the same age and we would be playing in the yard.
07:26We would be making mud pies or whatever it is we were doing.
07:28And then we would come inside and she would want to make,
07:30she would make tea cakes and that was so much fun.
07:33And she would let us make the tea cakes.
07:35And so we would have this pile of like...
07:36Or think you were making the tea cakes.
07:37Right.
07:38We'd have this pile of like dirt and leaves and mud and sticks with some flour.
07:42And she would pretend to put that in the oven.
07:45Then what would come out would be the tea cakes that she made
07:47that weren't covered in dirt and mud and leaves and sticks.
07:49And she would let us think we did that.
07:51And I think that's just such a good example of who she was, you know,
07:54like keeping the magic alive and making it something special for everybody
07:57that she was around.
07:58What was her name?
07:59LV Metter.
08:00It was E-L-V-A.
08:02But she was called Grandma LV.
08:04And I never knew why we called her LV.
08:06But that was it.
08:07You're very lucky to get to know your great grandmother that way.
08:10And I knew her.
08:11She was alive until I was out of college.
08:13Wow.
08:14Did she talk the way that you talk and that you've kind of grown up with?
08:22I mean, was she using a lot of the phrases?
08:26She was.
08:27Yeah.
08:27She was very scholarly.
08:28And so she liked to speak well.
08:30So she was very aware of how she spoke.
08:32And sometimes, you know, southern language is not necessarily the most academic
08:37considered academic.
08:38So she did speak more properly than I think I do on the Internet.
08:44The language that I use is kind of like an amalgamation of all the people in my town
08:49and all of my family members and some a little bit more intense than others, you know.
08:54But, yes, that's the language I grew up around.
08:56I grew up going to the beauty shop, the beauty parlor with them
08:58and hearing so many bless your hearts and bless their hearts.
09:01And the Lord laid it on my heart to tell you all this and that, you know, all that kind of stuff.
09:06My favorite was when I would hear, it's not my business to tell.
09:10Then something good was coming after that.
09:12And then it's coming.
09:13Well, Landon, I want to ask you about food.
09:15So, you know, I talk about food a good bit on this podcast.
09:19It is called Biscuits and Jam, after all.
09:20Great name for me.
09:22And you talk about food a lot as well, whether it's grits or cornbread
09:28or the million different kinds of salad we have or deviled eggs or pecan pie or whatever it is.
09:35Talk to me about the cooks in your family and where that kind of southern food education came from.
09:42Well, food is so important to life in the South, or at least to what I've experienced as life in the South.
09:46It's like the common thing that we have between each other.
09:50Or, for instance, my grandmother, you could go over there any day of the week, any time,
09:54and she would have the grandest meal.
09:57I mean, it could have just been a vegetable plate, but it was the best vegetables,
10:00and they were so good, and it was a full plate of everything.
10:03And that was her love language, and that's the way that even after she's gone,
10:06that's the way kind of our family shows love is sharing meals.
10:10And I love the hierarchy of covered dishes and stuff.
10:15I like to tell people I do stand-up, and in the shows I'm like,
10:18I know something about you based off what you bring to the covered dish, you know,
10:21because there's levels to it.
10:23And so it's been fun growing up seeing all that,
10:25and I'm on the lower level of bringing plates, napkins, knives, and I intend to stay there.
10:30So I mess that up every now and then so they don't think I can move up to salads, you know.
10:34I don't want to make it.
10:34Okay, so you're not a big cook yourself.
10:36I'm not a big cook.
10:37I will eat it.
10:38Yeah.
10:38I can cook.
10:39I like to cook, but I don't want to be responsible for bringing the dish, if that makes sense.
10:43I cook at my family's thing, but I don't want to.
10:46I'm still a kid.
10:47I feel like even though I'm 37, I'm still at the kids' table,
10:50so I don't want to be responsible just yet if it seems like too much.
10:54I can relate, yeah.
10:55What's a dish that your family might say that you're pretty good at?
10:59That I'm pretty good at?
11:00Yeah.
11:01I can make a good cornbread.
11:03I can make a good cornbread, and I love to.
11:05You know, you've got to have the cast iron skillet preheated,
11:08a little bit of bacon grease in the bottom of it.
11:10Okay.
11:10Well, that's important.
11:11That's good.
11:11It is.
11:11It's so important.
11:12And I did say on the Internet that cornbread is not sweet,
11:16and I was like, and I will say that with my whole chest,
11:19and then people yelled at me about it, and then I was like,
11:21oh, I don't stand on things, it turns out.
11:23Okay.
11:24You turned around pretty quick.
11:25Yeah, cornbread can be sweet.
11:27It took about two hours, and I was like, okay, never mind.
11:30When you think about your kitchen that you kind of grew up in,
11:34talk to me about, like, what does it look like?
11:36Describe it for me.
11:37Well, it would be my great-grandmother's kitchen that I think about
11:39when I think of kitchens because that's where I spent the most time,
11:42and my great-grandfather had built her this kitchen,
11:44so it was, you know, really homemade type of situation,
11:47but she had a flower drawer, like a drawer with a sifter in the drawer itself,
11:52you know, like built-in things for tinfoil and little things like that,
11:57an old refrigerator with buttermilk in it, that kind of stuff,
12:00and it was fun to watch her navigate that kitchen
12:03and ended up with cornbread and buttermilk, that kind of a situation,
12:06and she would, if she spilled any of the buttermilk,
12:08she would tap it on her face, and, like, she had good skin all the way to the very end.
12:12Oh, I love that.
12:13So food and skin care in the kitchen.
12:14So, you know, I talk about holidays on this podcast a good bit,
12:19and one that we don't talk about that much is Easter.
12:25I'm not sure why, but, you know, we talk a lot about Thanksgiving and Christmas,
12:28kind of what people's routine is,
12:30but Easter's a little later this year, and it's coming up,
12:35and I'm wondering what Easter would have looked like
12:38or what it does look like in your family.
12:41Well, Easter is the Met Gala of the South, I would say.
12:44Besides the Kentucky Derby, this is where you're going to see the best church hats, you know?
12:48The bigger, the better.
12:49The higher the hair, the closer to God, and the bigger the hat also.
12:52The better the Baptist, they might say.
12:54But Easter is a big deal.
12:55You're going to get all dressed up.
12:57All of our families, I'm very fortunate.
12:59I'm, like, fourth or fifth generation in Laurel on both sides of my family,
13:03and my wife's as well.
13:05So we have all the families to go to.
13:07I think, like, one time we had nine different family things in one day to go to,
13:11and it was all, because, you know, you go to your grandmas,
13:13and you go to your great-grandmas, your moms,
13:15and so it ends up all these families.
13:17And so it's a marathon, a family sprint,
13:20but it involves looking nice,
13:23keeping your dress clothes on long enough to get that photo in front of the azaleas.
13:28And this year we'll be worried about the azaleas blooming
13:30since it's a little bit later, you know?
13:32That'll be the talk of the town for a little while.
13:33April 20th, I think, yeah.
13:35They'll be talking about those azaleas and worrying about them,
13:37but everybody's in their smocked outfits if they can.
13:40If you've got a little kid, there's lots of monograms.
13:43And everybody will look so nice.
13:44We'll hunt some Easter eggs.
13:45Some uncles will hide Easter eggs in impossible places,
13:49and we'll find them later on because they'll smell, you know?
13:52So just regular traditions.
13:54My papa, who is still living, he is a wonderful man.
13:57He's, I think, where I get all of my energy from.
14:00He goes and goes and goes and goes.
14:01He's like the Energizer bunny.
14:02But he put, as we got older, we became adults.
14:06I have four cousins on that side of the family.
14:09And to convince us to still participate in Easter,
14:11he would put gold dollars in the Easter eggs.
14:13And so we still hunt the Easter eggs as 30 and 40-year-olds
14:17and take it quite seriously.
14:19And it's competitive, right?
14:20You want that gold dollar.
14:21So you can't look in the back, you know?
14:23Like, it's real serious.
14:26I love that.
14:27Never grow up.
14:28Never change.
14:29Now we've got kids, so we have two
14:32because we don't want to push them out of the way, you know?
14:34Yeah.
14:34But we've still got to be pretty serious about it.
14:36So we let them have their own.
14:38Well, speaking of growing up, Landon,
14:41you've told this story a good bit,
14:43but I want to ask you about Walmart.
14:48Oh, yeah.
14:49I love to talk about it.
14:50So it's a pretty unusual situation
14:53that seemed to have had a pretty big impact on you.
14:57And I'm so surprised that Walmart High School
15:00is what has, like, propelled my career into what it is.
15:03I, like, would never have believed that in eighth grade.
15:06So I'll tell you the story.
15:07So in eighth grade, it was spring break,
15:10and no one was hurt, so you don't have to be sad.
15:12Nobody has to be sad about it,
15:13but our school got blown down by a tornado.
15:14I was actually camping in the woods,
15:16and I know, like, when you look at me,
15:17you think, like, outdoorsy.
15:18So what year is this?
15:202002.
15:20Okay.
15:21So 2002, and it was spring break,
15:23so we had nine weeks left of school,
15:25and I know that they considered
15:26just letting us be done for a little while,
15:28but then they were like,
15:29no, we have to make them go to school.
15:31So we had just got a new Super Walmart in the town,
15:34and I honestly felt very fancy about the Super Walmart.
15:37I was like, we've moved up.
15:38Oh, it wasn't an old one.
15:38It was a new Walmart.
15:40No, we had gotten the new one,
15:41so the old, the Walmart was available.
15:43Oh, I see.
15:44The Super Walmart had just opened.
15:45Gotcha.
15:46So the Walmart near the Kroger was available,
15:48and they just pulled the shelves out of that Walmart,
15:52left all the signs, everything.
15:53It was still very much Walmart,
15:55just without the shelves,
15:56and they built a plywood cubicle maze in that Walmart
15:59for 7th through 12th graders,
16:01a whole school full of them,
16:03and we went to school at the Walmart,
16:05and for real, we really did,
16:06and 8th grade is a very embarrassing year, you know?
16:09Like, it's not the year you want to be embarrassed,
16:10so it was, like, horrifying at the time,
16:12like, just absolutely horrifying,
16:13and the other schools,
16:14some of the other schools,
16:15like, drove past us on their way to school,
16:17so we would be outside, like,
16:18our principals wore Walmart vests,
16:20and then they continued wearing the Walmart vests every day.
16:23The intercom was the Walmart intercom.
16:25Like, I'd choke wire and lay away.
16:27The cafeteria was the garden center.
16:29So they really embraced it.
16:30No, we really embraced it.
16:32One of the history teachers even wrote a song
16:34that charted Walmart High School,
16:35and that's the truth.
16:37We were so embarrassed of it.
16:38It was really something, though.
16:39You would get, like, hit by a piece of paper
16:41thrown over the wall
16:42and not know where it came from.
16:43We quickly learned that we could clap,
16:45and it would go across the school,
16:47so it would start on one side and spread.
16:49We'd do that three or four times a day, you know?
16:51That was really fun.
16:52I think one funny thing from that is
16:54Mississippi requires you,
16:56it was the first year that Algebra 1
16:58was required for you to graduate
17:00as a graduation requirement,
17:01and I was in Algebra 1 at that time period,
17:03and they made just an auditorium
17:05in the middle of the Walmart,
17:06which was just a bigger cubicle,
17:08and they made us take that Algebra 1 state test
17:10in that Walmart,
17:11and then, like, six weeks later,
17:13the governor of Mississippi
17:14literally pardoned us, like, from that test,
17:17and that was the language
17:18that they chose to use, was pardoned.
17:20As if you were criminals.
17:22Right.
17:23They pardoned us from Algebra 1,
17:25so, like, I can't tell you, like,
17:27about X plus Y, but...
17:28But that's okay.
17:30You got out of it, and that's, yeah,
17:31that's what counts.
17:32I don't think you really need it
17:34in your current line of work.
17:35No, it's working out.
17:36X plus Y, I don't need it.
17:38But that Walmart,
17:39talking about that Walmart
17:40is what blew me up,
17:41so I'm really, really grateful for it.
17:43Surprisingly, I never thought
17:45that I would be so glad
17:46to have gone to Walmart High School.
17:47So your wife, Kate,
17:49really kind of encouraged you...
17:51She did.
17:52...to start making videos,
17:54or to start posting content online.
17:57She did.
17:58She has a degree
17:59in broadcast journalism.
18:00She's got her educational specialist.
18:02She's very smart.
18:03I, like, crawled through college
18:04and barely got out.
18:05But she really knows
18:06what she's doing.
18:07And I talk too much.
18:08And I've known her
18:09since second grade,
18:10so she was there
18:11for all the stories that I tell.
18:12And I don't know
18:13what story it was.
18:14I was telling to her
18:14for the 30th or 40th time,
18:16and she very politely,
18:18with glazed over eyes,
18:19was like,
18:19what if you told your stories
18:20to the internet, you know?
18:21Which is a nice southern lady way.
18:22That's how she put it,
18:23to the internet.
18:24Yeah, a nice southern lady way
18:26of saying, like,
18:27hush, you got to talk
18:28to somebody else.
18:29And so I did.
18:29And here we are.
18:30I finally pulled her out
18:31of behind the scenes
18:33to do the podcast with me,
18:34and that's really fun.
18:35Which is great.
18:36And y'all are off
18:37to a great start.
18:38I've been listening to it.
18:38Having a great time doing that.
18:40It seems like you are.
18:41So Landon,
18:41you've been an art teacher
18:43for a long time.
18:45Almost a decade
18:46of art teachering.
18:47And that's at
18:48Laurel Magnet School of the Arts.
18:52Is that?
18:52Laurel Magnet School of the Arts.
18:53It was my,
18:54it was such a great school.
18:55I was teacher of the year
18:56there, even.
18:57And the special thing
18:58about that school
18:59is that it is a public school,
19:02and it uses the arts
19:03to teach academics.
19:04So they have an art teacher,
19:06a dance teacher,
19:07a music teacher,
19:07and they consider PE
19:08an art as well.
19:09And every Friday,
19:11those teachers rotate
19:12through the school
19:13and would get assigned
19:13to a different grade.
19:15So I would have like
19:16first grade this one week.
19:17So I'd teach art all week,
19:19visual art.
19:20And then on Friday,
19:20I would have to use
19:21the visual art standards
19:22combined with like
19:23the first grade standards
19:24of whatever they were
19:25teaching that week
19:26and teach a lesson
19:27that combines those two things,
19:29those art integration
19:30and art infusion type lessons.
19:32And those lessons
19:32aren't online,
19:33like they're not available anywhere.
19:35So you had to be
19:35really creative to do that.
19:37And it was a weekly thing,
19:38like every week
19:39you got to come up
19:39with something new
19:40for a different grade,
19:41for a different topic.
19:42And I don't know,
19:43like teaching sixth grade algebra
19:44with visual artists.
19:46That's a difficult concept
19:47to like match together.
19:49But the creative challenge
19:50of that was really wonderful.
19:51And they built a really
19:53collaborative spirit there.
19:54So we all got to work
19:55together with this.
19:56We had to work really closely
19:58with the classroom teachers.
19:59And that school
20:00is one of the best
20:01in the state.
20:01It was one of the highest
20:02scoring schools in the state
20:03and one of the best
20:04in the state.
20:04And I think that's really
20:05a testament to what
20:07the arts can do.
20:07And it also,
20:08I think is very important
20:10in my particular journey
20:11because it taught me
20:12to like the practice
20:14of creativity
20:14and like practicing
20:16creativity weekly
20:17and not just doing one thing
20:19and then being done.
20:20What's the next thing
20:21and what are we
20:22coming up with next?
20:23And so the kids
20:24learn a lot from it
20:25and I think they benefit.
20:26And my own son
20:26was going to graduate
20:28from there this year
20:28and I'm so glad
20:29that's the education
20:30he received.
20:30But also,
20:31I learned so much
20:32from teaching there.
20:34It changed me drastically.
20:35Are you still involved
20:36with the school?
20:37No, I stepped away
20:38and when I got the book
20:40I had to write the book
20:41and that school
20:42particularly requires a lot
20:44from its teachers
20:45and they deserve,
20:46the kids deserve that.
20:47So I knew it was,
20:48it was either
20:49I was going to be
20:49very distracted
20:50and not able to give them
20:52my full 100%
20:53or somebody else
20:53needed to step in
20:54and it was time
20:55for somebody else
20:55to step in
20:56and they're doing
20:56a great job.
20:57So I miss it all the time
20:58but I am very grateful
21:00for my time there
21:01and I'm also so grateful
21:02that they're still
21:02taking care of my own kid.
21:04Yeah, I bet.
21:05What a neat place.
21:06Well, it seems like
21:08what you're doing now
21:10is a kind of teaching.
21:12I feel like it translated
21:13very well from teaching.
21:14I mean, you're talking about
21:16the South,
21:17you're talking about
21:17Southern culture,
21:18you're talking about
21:19different traditions
21:19and a lot of what you're doing
21:21is really kind of
21:22educating people
21:24about, you know,
21:25this is what this means,
21:26this is what this term means,
21:28this is what the
21:28eight different meanings
21:30or infinite meanings
21:31of Bless Your Heart
21:32means.
21:33So, yeah,
21:35it does seem like
21:36it's translated
21:37very seamlessly
21:38into what you're doing now.
21:39Well, I don't know
21:40if anybody that's listening
21:41has ever tried to capture
21:42the attention of
21:43four-year-olds
21:44for an hour,
21:45but for an hour,
21:46but.