US Pressure on India Amid Pakistan-India Tensions – Dr. Adil Najam
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00:00If you read out the story of the US, which is the Secretary of State,
00:07with Shankar, the Foreign Minister, and the Prime Minister,
00:12this statement is very interesting.
00:14The article says that they have re-affirmed states
00:21that they have to go down to the temperature
00:25and cooperate and investigate the attack
00:29and what Pakistan himself said that we want to do an international investigation.
00:33And he said, yes, escalate by working with India, escalate and re-establish direct communications and maintain peace and security.
00:44And India has said that they have encouraged to work with Pakistan to escalate tensions.
00:50So they didn't explain their own behavior. If they understand our terrorists, they would say, yes, let's do this.
00:57They would say, sit with them, create direct links, everything.
01:00So India would be a very bad idea.
01:05I don't know if it's so bad or not because many times you don't believe the truth.
01:10But I think the point that you have released is the exact right one.
01:14What the readout says in careful reading is, not that we accept Pakistan or not,
01:22we are not buying the Indian narrative,
01:26which you have mentioned in New York Times or Economist's story.
01:30So careful reading is that people are no longer buying the Indian narrative.
01:35And for India, that should be much more worrisome.
01:38In Rubio's call, if I have two, three, small, small things,
01:41one thing is that it is good that the call came,
01:44but let us not forget that it came very late.
01:48You have this drama for several times.
01:50But hold on, hold on.
01:52The Press Secretary of the U.S. White House said,
01:56he said that we will talk about the question,
01:59but we would like that call to be meaningful.
02:03I want to make a point.
02:04The reason is that,
02:05is that we are not allowed to do that
02:07on the ground, behind the scenes,
02:09some things have reached to this point,
02:11which Maaq and Rubio has contacted us?
02:13Yes, it is.
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02:15It is.
02:16But the Press Secretary of the U.S. White House said,
02:18I don't believe it.
02:19But what I am saying is that,
02:21the call is late.
02:22As usual, we would have expected
02:24that UN has been involved.
02:26And the call is late.
02:28I want to make a point.
02:30The reason is that,
02:31the world is distracted.
02:32America has a few problems.
02:34They have not understood the tariffs.
02:36They have not understood the game.
02:37They have been opened.
02:38The rest of the world,
02:39Russia, Putin,
02:41or Putin,
02:42or Nittanyahu,
02:43those are unravelling.
02:44So, there is a distraction.
02:46The other thing is,
02:47this is the point.
02:48I think the transformation,
02:49we are talking about the world.
02:51The world has changed.
02:52The world has changed.
02:53So, there is a assumption that,
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03:27Tim Cook call Moody ko. Tim Cook joh Apple ka CEO hai. Right? Now international pressure
03:34will be that. Apple ka raha hai ki ham 200 billion rupiah, billion dollar India mein
03:39invest karenge Apple ki products China se vohan lanen ka. Now if Apple is watching that
03:45they are saying ki yaar ham 200 billion is in stable environment mein karenge yaa ni
03:50karenge. So what I am saying is ki there are multiple layers to this. Is ki bhot saari
03:55jahti hain. And all of them are important. Lakin the basic thing is ki international
04:00system has also changed. Money talks the loudest. Aap ne Apple ki baat ki to I think
04:04usse most relevant phir Bloomberg pae a jatei hain. Jo financial world. Saare
04:09Bloomberg dhekhte hain. Bada observe kar rio tae. Bloomberg ki 30 April ki story bady
04:14zhabadha story hai. Usne bhi jis ko kahta nahi penjabi mein leaden utarhi hain. Ke koi
04:19evidence nahi hai, koi kuch nai. Onhne bhi o baat reaffirm ki hai. New York Times ki
04:23ki ki johanke loog hai. Wo wo wo kehte hai ki koji inke paas ah saboot nahi thi
04:28diplomats. Lakin do you do interesting unhoog kuaute ki e. Ek unhoog nai sushant singh
04:34kuaute ki e. Jho former colonel hai. Or Indian army ke former colonel now o lecture
04:39hai jayel university. Wo bade heirangi ka izhaar karte hai ki yaari ke agensi ke
04:44past کوئی chatter نہیں تھا کوئی کچھ نہیں تھا ورنہ اگر groups involved
04:48ہوتی ہیں تو اتنی بڑی واردات سے پہلے بہت کچھ ہوتا ہے اور اس طرح
04:52کے area کے اندر it raises a lot of question پھر صدھا صدھا میں آیا ان کے
04:59leader ہیں from کناٹکا وہ کہتے ہیں جی ایک بھی انڈین بندہ وہاں نہیں
05:03تھا پھر اسی report میں آیا کہ جی پہلا جو troops وہاں پہ نظر آئے وہ
05:07کوئی چالیس منٹ کے بعد نظر آئے تو بڑا ہی اس پہ question مارکشہ
05:11پھر بلومبرگ یہ بھی لکھتا ہے کہ ہم نے اس article کے لیے جب
05:15contact کیا ہمیں انڈین گورنر نے کوئی کوئی reply نہیں دیا they
05:19refuse to comment in this اب نیو یارک ٹائمز ہے بلومبرگ ہیں اگر آپ
05:24apple کی آپ نے cook کی بات کی یہ لوگ ان لوگوں کو بھی پڑھتے ہیں کہ
05:28نیو یارک ٹائمز کا کہہ رہا ہے یہ بلومبرگ براہ بھی کیا کہہ
05:31رہا ہے لیکن آپ نے ایک interesting angle دیا کہ just because انڈیا کا
05:35سودا نہیں بکھرا اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ ہم سکون سے بیٹھ جائیں
05:38کہ ہمارا بگیا ہے اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں ہے ہمارا سودا ہمیں
05:43کیسے بیچنا ہے کہ یار یہ ایک joint pressure ہوا آپ نے دیکھا
05:47ہوگا جو ڈی جی آئیس پی آر کا تھا اور ساگدار صاحب کا تھا
05:51i think but i will articulated structure تھے سوالات جو دائم ہیں پہلے
05:54میں تھے ایک structure form میں آگے وہ جو پورا case ہے how does
06:00pakistan sell that i think ایک پہلی بات یہ ہے کہ اس پر سودا بیچنا ہم
06:05نے بیتر کیا سودا نہ بکھنے کا مطلب یہ نہیں ہے کہ people are
06:09thinking کہ ہم غلط بیانی کریں that's not what i am saying
06:12کیونکہ ہماری جو ہمارا narrative ہے وہ ایسا نہیں ہے کہ it is being
06:16disputed all i am saying is کہ یہ سارا کچھ اس لیے نہیں ہو رہا کہ
06:19ہمارے narrative صرف کی ویسے ہمارا narrative اس لیے اچھا ہے کہ
06:23it's actually very principled تو آپ نے رویو کی بات کی تو رویو نے کیا
06:27کہا phone پہ اس نے کہا کہ جی آپ investigation میں help کریں اور
06:33ہم بھی یہ کہہ رہے ہیں right اس نے جو کہا کہ جب آپ انڈیا سے
06:38بات کریں پاکستان has from the beginning been saying including on
06:42media کہ یار بات کرنا تو بند نہ کرو نا اگر کوئی مسئلہ ہے تو
06:46ٹھیک ہے لاؤ ہمیں دکھاؤ کیا ہے تمہارے پاس evidence