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00:00hello everyone in the dream team Carol Baxter here still a newbie just a lovely lovely day
00:09here on Mercy Island in the UK just fabulous this is where I live this wonderful island
00:30can't wait to join you all Carol back signing off now speak soon what are your thoughts seeing this
00:42now it's so nice to see it like that even just to hear a sound like that you know that was my mom
00:49and you know that is mom that's my mama just a lovely lovely day here so as well she's got color
00:57in her face and her hair and her curls and she just looks happy just fabulous back then I never would
01:08have ever thought that it would have ended like this it's heartbreaking really
01:19it was a hell of a day
01:43mum had really been poorly
01:49so me and my partner Marcus we thought we'd just drive past the house just to make sure
01:56everything's all right you know just see how mum was doing but couldn't get hold of mum or dad
02:06so I've let myself around the back of the house and then I found mum and dad
02:18I just I saw them and I just screamed I screamed and screamed
02:31I don't know I can't think they don't look like if they're blue I can't get to them
02:43I can't breathe in an hour
02:46how old is the patient please
02:49I haven't been able to hold them from yesterday and they have come to check their blinds feel sharp
02:55from last night my man's not very well my partner Marcus was like no no they're asleep they're just
03:01asleep and I just said look at them I was like actually look at them
03:06my partner Marcus was like no no they're asleep they're just asleep and I just said look at them I was like actually look at them
03:19they're just so I can help you
03:24guys
03:28guys
03:29mark mark mark
03:31are you awake
03:32oh the death's frozen and dead
03:34the death's fucking dead
03:35are you with the patient
03:36I can help you
03:38I can help you
03:39I can help you
03:40I can help you
03:42I can help you
03:43I can help you
03:44in the open
03:45open
03:46in the open
03:47out
03:48they've opened up the entire area
03:49they've evacuated residents
03:50is there anything else you require us to do
03:51I haven't been all the way out the back but if we can double check that
03:56but I definitely want someone with the family
04:00My brother Harry turned up pretty quickly
04:05My brother Harry turned up pretty quickly and then my friend Luke came down.
04:14It was actually really helpful at that time because Luke had talked to the police and
04:19I was really quite hysterical at this point.
04:21She's done something silly, I know she's done something silly, I was trying to help her.
04:27Did you go in to see them yourself?
04:29I have been in there, yeah.
04:30You have?
04:31And I went upstairs to get Carol's medication that she has.
04:34She's got a low.
04:35Yeah, they like to know what people take, gives them an idea of what they suffer from.
04:39She's actually taken.
04:40It's quite often she might take, she has every morning levothyroxine, but sometimes she forgets
04:46and she could take it six or seven times, I know that's brilliant, but I mean, she doesn't
04:50know or she doesn't know she's taking it loads of times.
04:52No.
05:04I came to work on Monday the 10th of April 2023.
05:14I was a duty senior investigating officer on call for that day.
05:19And I came across an incident whereby a married couple were found dead in their armchairs in
05:26their house in Mersey.
05:28As I was reading it, I didn't, it didn't sound right, it just didn't sound right.
05:38Carol and Stephen Baxter were sat in the back of their house.
05:42Stephen was sitting there dressed in his smart brown shoes and his polo t-shirt like he'd
05:47come in from a day out.
05:49And Carol was sitting there with her shoes on, wearing her casual clothes.
05:56Described almost like they were asleep in their chairs.
06:00The scene itself was described as clinical.
06:09There wasn't any obvious signs as to why they died.
06:14There was no empty packets of pills, blister packs.
06:16There wasn't any weapons.
06:18There wasn't any sign of any breaking.
06:23And it was just really, really unusual.
06:25There was a concern of there being carbon monoxide poisoning, which would fit with how they
06:43were found, almost like they were asleep in their chairs.
06:47So the house was cleared, the neighbouring properties were cleared and residents were getting
06:51evacuated.
06:52Yeah, this is the chap you want to speak to, I think he's done so for two readings.
06:57It's probably best you hand over to Mr Gass.
06:59Hello, Mr Gass.
07:00Yeah.
07:01Probably looks fairly brand new, good position, properties well maintained, no readings on any
07:08level.
07:09Everything that's evidence based for me and readings wise, I don't think it's CO.
07:20They couldn't detect carbon monoxide poisoning.
07:22That was a red flag to me.
07:24Two people don't die like that together at that time in that position.
07:27There was a reason for their deaths.
07:29And I needed to get answers.
07:34I needed to find the truth.
07:36I think all of us that worked on this job will never forget.
07:51We refer to a case like this as a bit of whodunit.
07:56We needed to prove and to check that there wasn't any foul play.
08:02And if there was, how was that done?
08:07From the crime scene, we had Stephen's phone.
08:11I was the communications officer who basically takes charge and looks after all mobile devices,
08:16laptops.
08:17So I started quite quick time looking at day-to-day texts and WhatsApps.
08:24We could see regular communication between Stephen Baxter and his daughter.
08:30Their previous contact was quite normal, quite routine.
08:35But the day before her parents were found, it was the weekend just before Eleanor's birthday.
08:42It was also Easter weekend, so she'd been trying to get hold of Dad and wasn't getting anything.
08:49And she was getting increasingly concerned.
09:00We looked at the body worn footage.
09:02Eleanor had been very open straight away to say that Mum was not very well.
09:08She was becoming very confused.
09:10She's done something silly. I know she's done something silly.
09:13I'm trying to help her.
09:15She said that Mum had been doing silly things.
09:18She'd been putting bleach in the kettle.
09:21She'd had, like, putting pegs on plants outside.
09:26And that they wouldn't leave her on her own.
09:31Mum had had a particularly bad episode, I think, on the Wednesday before,
09:36which she had said was the worst she'd sort of ever seen it.
09:43Eleanor said that would leave Stephen to have to try to manage Mum as well.
09:48As a carer, effectively.
09:50And that Dad was struggling with that.
10:01When I understood that Carol had complex health issues,
10:05we started trying to understand were there any issues,
10:09were there any problems between them?
10:14Were they searching up how to commit suicide or anything around suicidal ideation?
10:19My hypotheses at the time were a natural sudden death,
10:24which had been very unusual,
10:26that there was a suicide pact between Stephen and Carol,
10:29that one of them murdered the other and then took their own lives,
10:35or third-party involvement.
10:38Mum was very bubbly. She just loved to laugh.
11:00She was just a really bright person.
11:07You know, really vibrant.
11:09Yeah, she had a really beautiful song.
11:12And growing up, my brother Harry and I, we were brought up in a house of love.
11:28My parents really did love each other. They were very affectionate.
11:33You know, they were always dancing with the music on in the kitchen.
11:36It was really lovely to see.
11:38I remember growing up, actually, one time I saw them kissing
11:42and I just thought, yeah, you know, Mum and Dad.
11:44And Mum turned around to me and she was like,
11:46well, you're lucky you've got parents that love each other.
11:48How can I hurt when holding you?
11:52They both grew up in council estates in London.
11:55Dad was an engineer.
11:58He would monitor buildings and do safety checks.
12:02He'd done really well.
12:03He'd done a lot of work over in America and Dubai.
12:06And, I mean, he was famous within his industry.
12:12Mum was a teacher. She'd teach maths.
12:15But Mum has always been full of ideas.
12:17And if there was something she wanted, she would get it.
12:20So, she started her business, Cas Splash.
12:22So, Cas Splash was a bathmat business.
12:26And my mum really, really put her effort into that,
12:31into making it what it was.
12:35She designed the maths herself
12:37and she got the intellectual property of it.
12:39She was a very strong, very powerful, very strong-minded woman.
12:42And I think that kind of gave her that bit of confidence
12:49to then be able to move out of London, really.
12:54Because she just really wanted that calmer environment.
12:59She just really wanted that fresh start.
13:01Hi, I'm Carol Baxter.
13:05I live on a beautiful island called Mersey Island
13:08on the east coast of England, which is actually my office.
13:12Up until a year ago, I had worked all my life, five days a week,
13:16nine to five, nose to the grindstone.
13:19I decided enough was enough.
13:21I needed to get off this treadmill.
13:23I wanted to spend more time with my family and friends,
13:26travel the world and have the flexibility to work anywhere.
13:29With the advances of technology...
13:31We've been informed by Carol's friends and family
13:46that she was suffering with her health.
13:50So I was brought in initially to have a look at Carol's medical records
13:54and try and ascertain if there was anything
13:57that could help us understand why they had died.
13:59That was a lengthy process
14:03because they were quite long and quite detailed.
14:09She was suffering from a thyroid condition
14:12called Hashimoto's disease.
14:14From our investigation, Hashimoto's is a disease
14:17whereby antibodies in the body are attacking the thyroid
14:20and breaking it down.
14:24The symptoms should have been something similar to fatigue,
14:28low energy.
14:31But it appeared to have been affecting Carol an awful lot.
14:37And it, in fact, had almost taken over her life.
14:47Carol?
14:48How about getting you in a chair and try a bit of telly?
14:54Yeah, it doesn't make a difference.
14:56OK, then.
15:01Right. Anything else you need?
15:03Growing up, I was always aware that Mum had Hashimoto's.
15:15But it was only years after we moved to Mersey
15:17that it became any form of big thing.
15:19Because, I mean, this is a woman that would get up at 6 o'clock,
15:24go do 50, 60 lengths in the pool,
15:26and that's how she'd start her day, you know?
15:29And then suddenly she couldn't quite do that.
15:32Or if she did, she'd need to have a nap in the afternoon.
15:34And I think that was really hard for her to take.
15:38You feel tired?
15:40Yeah.
15:41Yeah.
15:43And I think she really did want to understand
15:45why this was all happening.
15:47What do you want to do now?
15:48I feel to feel better.
15:49Sorry?
15:50To feel better.
15:51Yeah.
15:52Carol was seeking medical advice about a year and a half before she died.
16:08She was referred to a number of experts,
16:10including a neurologist and a thyroid expert.
16:15Both of those ruled out that it was anything to do with their thyroid
16:18or anything to do with her brain.
16:20And essentially the only diagnosis they had come up with
16:22was a form of anxiety.
16:27They do know in the records that she was very, very disappointed
16:31with the diagnosis.
16:33She was desperate to find anyone that could give her anything,
16:37any information.
16:39And then about a year before her death,
16:41a doctor from America called Dr. Andrea comes into her life.
16:54I found a communication between Carol and an American endocrinologist,
17:00Dr. Andrea Bowden.
17:02She first sort of came into contact via email in February 2022.
17:07Hello, Carol.
17:09This isn't another spam email.
17:12I am actually talking to you all the way from sunny Florida to you in the UK.
17:17Describe your symptoms to me.
17:19Dr. Andrea Bowden.
17:21The level of contact was multiple times a day, daily.
17:28There were thousands of emails.
17:31I thought it was very strange that that amount of contact by any doctor
17:38for one person is just not normal.
17:42When we first saw some of the messages, we all felt they were strange
17:49because she would refer to Carol as honey,
17:55not your typical patient-doctor relationship.
17:59First video that's being recorded approximately 9am.
18:12Hi, Andrea.
18:13It's Carol here.
18:14I hope to see your face soon.
18:17This is me in the morning, generally in good health,
18:22but these last couple of days I've been feeling quite sick.
18:27Yeah, late afternoon is pretty damning really.
18:31I just seem to...
18:32Just crash and burn a little bit.
18:33Crash and burn.
18:34Apparently you did yesterday and unfortunately I wasn't aware of it.
18:38And it's becoming quite hard.
18:41Yeah.
18:42Okay.
18:43All right.
18:44Well, we'll do another one later and bye for now.
18:46Bye.
18:47Bye.
18:49When Dr Andrea got involved, you know, mum saw it as a bit of a shimmer of hope,
18:53you know, a bit of light.
18:55Obviously every doctor she's gone to is saying everything's fine.
18:57So, you know, it's just answers really.
19:00That's all she kind of really wanted.
19:02She knew that she wasn't right and she didn't know what to put it down to.
19:07Okay, second video and it's now 11.15am.
19:11How are you feeling, Carol?
19:13I'm feeling a bit sick, a bit swimmy.
19:17It's not been a very good day.
19:22You can get a good start to the day at all.
19:24And I just don't know how to do it.
19:29Okay.
19:30Dr Andrea had a list of rules for my mum to follow that would help her be able to live normally again.
19:49Is this okay, mate?
19:50Yeah, I'm videoing you now.
19:51Can I send this to Andrea?
19:52Keeping those hashies away.
19:53She had to do different forms of exercise.
19:54Come on, darling, keep going.
19:55There was something called horizontals.
19:56She had to lay down for certain periods of time throughout the day.
20:10There would be medication plans and everything because if you do as I've suggested and follow the rules, you'll be cured.
20:23She'd wake up really well some days and she'd be like, right, I've had enough.
20:33I'm going to sort my house out and I need to go to the shop and I need to do this and that and this and that.
20:38And every time she'd done that, she would become really, really ill.
20:42Right.
20:43It's now half past three in the afternoon.
20:45How are you, Carol?
20:46Erm.
20:51I'm doing all right.
20:52I mean, I just don't know what it is.
20:55Okay.
20:56All right, darling.
20:57Good luck very much.
20:58What?
20:59You are.
21:00Am I?
21:01You are.
21:02Okay.
21:04As it got worse and worse and she started getting confused and her speech would go and she'd wake up the next day and there would be hours of the day before that she just can't recall or, you know, won't remember.
21:17It was really upsetting for her.
21:18I mean, she just couldn't understand what was going on.
21:22Okay.
21:23Come on.
21:24Try and get some sleep.
21:25Yeah.
21:26Love you.
21:27It's okay.
21:33That's not bad.
21:34I don't really know what to say or do.
21:46So the next step was to try and get in contact with Andrea to see what she could tell us about her interactions with Carol.
21:51We established that the email address was an American email address.
21:55I sent an email explaining that we needed to speak to her in relation to an investigation in the UK involving Carol.
22:07I didn't go into detail about the investigation, but I made it clear that it was a serious investigation.
22:14And there was, there was no reply.
22:21Something really didn't add up.
22:23We still had no answers how Stephen and Carol had died.
22:35And I wasn't happy about the whole situation.
22:38I don't like not knowing.
22:41So four days after the discovery of their bodies, I decided to attend the post-mortem.
22:47We were looking to try and establish if there are any injuries which could be contributed towards their death.
23:01Or anything which would be significant to the investigation.
23:05But on this occasion, there was no marks.
23:08There was no obvious signs of injuries.
23:10There was nothing obvious to explain how they died.
23:15The post-mortems were both unremarkable, with no evidence of any third-party involvement.
23:21So we had sent away blood samples to our lab to analyse.
23:29It was then just a waiting game.
23:31At seven with the latest news for Essex.
23:32Following the deaths of a couple on Mersey Island, Essex police say they're keeping an open mind as to how the couple died.
23:44Everybody knows everybody on Mersey Island.
23:45So while we were waiting for the toxicology results, we started house-to-house inquiries.
24:02And we found people would always have an opinion about Eleanor, which isn't always favourable for her.
24:22And people were coming to their own conclusions.
24:32So we looked at the family from what we knew about them.
24:36And we discovered there had been domestics reported at the address where police had attended,
24:41due to arguments involving Eleanor and Harry.
24:45They would have a bit more of a tempestuous relationship.
24:49They were a family that rowed.
24:56So do you think it's fair to say you sometimes had disagreements as a family?
25:02There were times that we did clash.
25:06We were all very big personalities.
25:08I think because we were under the same roof, all of us,
25:12and because we all believed what we felt or what we wanted to do was right,
25:17you know, there was no...
25:19Unfortunately for my parents, my brother and I really did break the boundaries.
25:24You know, there weren't any rules that we allowed them to keep.
25:29And, you know, it can lead into some not quite nice things.
25:34It was either my brother and I fighting with my parents,
25:39or it would be my brother fighting against myself.
25:44It was never mum and dad against each other.
25:47You could tell Stephen loved his family very much and worked really, really hard to support them.
25:59They'd lived in a beautiful five-bed detached premises.
26:03They had nice cars.
26:06They were part of the yacht club in Mersey Island.
26:09But it wasn't until one of the sisters of Carol, who was the executor of the will,
26:14was handed a rather odd document
26:18that we started to think the main motive could be financial.
26:23I couldn't go back into the house until forensics had done all the bits that they needed to do.
26:44Then when I got back into the house, I kind of just thought,
26:48God, you know, what would Dad do? What do I need to do? What do I need?
26:54I think my brain just went into overdrive.
26:57I really panicked, and I just went upstairs
27:00and just started sieving through everything.
27:05You know, I took Mum's bag and Dad's wallet.
27:09I went through the banking folder,
27:11because I just wanted an account number of every bank they had.
27:16And there was this letter that fell out.
27:20And it said, in the event of Stephen and Carol Baxter passing,
27:25and it said, to Eleanor as well.
27:31So I waited for the next day for my aunt to arrive.
27:37And I kind of whispered to her, like, you know, I want to have a chat with you.
27:41And I went in the car and I showed her the letter.
27:44And that was it.
27:48That was the turning point.
27:54It's all right.
27:55So, we were aware that this will had been found.
28:09Eleanor had found that, but it wasn't with the formal wills
28:15that had been drawn up by the family solicitors.
28:17that for us straight away was it was a bit more unusual
28:28so the will concentrates on the family bathmat business
28:33in the event of our deaths casplash is to continue trading
28:39our daughter eleanor baxter is to be a hundred percent shareholder and complete owner
28:47eleanor is to become the person of significant control the directorship is to be split 50 50
28:55between eleanor baxter and luke dewitt our dear friend luke dewitt is to be director
29:04and person with significant control
29:10we thought it was very suspicious that eleanor and luke were beneficiaries to something that
29:16the rest of the family was not
29:25it was just strange that there was nobody else mentioned in it because carol had
29:31um two children from a previous um relationship
29:39so we went back to the original solicitor of caroline stephen's formal will and the solicitor
29:45had no idea and thought that it was very very odd and certainly wasn't a document and by his company
29:51this raised more questions which i needed to get answers for
29:58right i'm used to checking on always pop in yeah because they wanted this weekend
30:02that's fair enough i was going to come back tomorrow and yeah and check on them again
30:05the gym i wanted to understand how luke dewitt fitted into the family dynamics
30:10just left them to it absolutely okay um and you say you last saw them on friday right before
30:15eight so that's when i left and me and steve were just talking about work and
30:20just the business carol can't work anymore yeah she is she's not being able to do anything okay
30:25speaking to colleagues that took statement from him said he he was helpful he was a nice guy
30:32he was clearly there as a support for eleanor eddie popped by first saw the blinds were still down
30:38immediately so i literally ran from home to here to contract it okay and everybody spoke to
30:46liked luke dewitt he lived on mersey island all his life
30:50he used to volunteer for the carnival and community events he would be there to help anybody
31:00there wasn't a bad word that anybody said against him
31:08i was aware of speaking to witnesses that luke would always go into the baxter's house to go and check on
31:14them
31:19welcome hello hi
31:22you all right yeah he's been here for about three hours
31:31witnesses would describe that carol was always seen with luke dewitt
31:35to the point they thought he was their son
31:37stephen and carol met luke when they moved to west mersey
31:44they needed somebody to assist them with their business in with their it
31:52and luke was a whiz with it
31:56as time went on he was given more hours by carol and stephen to work on the business
32:01um and then as carol's health deteriorated he was given more responsibility
32:07um to the latter part where essentially the business was left to him to to run daily
32:18he would take on the role i suppose of carer when carol's health had deteriorated
32:24he would help when she was confused watch the tv
32:33became apparent eleanor and luke were very close they obviously confided in each other trusted each
32:40other um and i just needed to understand a little bit more about that relationship
32:45due to the fact i've got a fake will that names both of them eleanor baxter and luke dewitt were now
32:58people of interest in the investigation
33:15it was about three months after the deaths of stephen and carol and i received a telephone call
33:26from my crime scene manager
33:31he said that he'd just got off the phone to the forensic pathologist who'd got the results of the
33:35toxicology back
33:36and i was told that stephen had a fatal dose of fentanyl within his blood
33:49and carol had a double dose fatal dose of promethazine and a fatal dose of fentanyl in her bloodstream
33:56it was at that point everything changed we've now got a reason why they've died
34:08and it's a whole new different investigative avenue around fentanyl how did they have
34:14possession of fentanyl was it them was it somebody else there were still so many questions that weren't
34:19answered
34:19but it was quite clear that this now became a double homicide investigation
34:31the police only need suspicion to arrest somebody so at that point eleanor baxter
34:37and luke dewitt were already people of interest within the investigation
34:41and they were then designated as suspects
34:49we knew straight away that the arrests needed to be simultaneous to prevent any destruction of any
34:59evidence and to prevent each other tipping the other off so we had two teams go to both dresses
35:14when we got to elena's address i was the one with the warrant
35:17who asked elena to open the door initially she didn't i think want to answer the door it was
35:22quite early in the morning she didn't really want to let us in because she was in her pajamas
35:28and she was quite heavily pregnant at the time
35:36it was about seven o'clock i was in the living room and i got a knock at the door and i was half
35:43dressed i've peeped my head round and it's a couple of police officers um i've said oh you know can you
35:50give me five minutes to put some put bra on you know put some clothes on um and they said no you
35:57know we're coming in and i take a look up and down the road and there's just multiple police cars multiple
36:02police
36:02and that's when they read me my rights and said that i was being arrested for the murder of carol
36:12and stephen baxter
36:13ellen up er i'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of carol stephen baxter on or about the
36:197th to the 9th of april 2023 you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defense if you
36:24do not mention when questioned something that you let lie in court
36:29ellie listen please it's really important okay we have to do that on a formal basis
36:37we were really mindful of the fact she was pregnant and we were mindful of the fact she'd also just lost
36:40her parents and i felt really sorry for her i did feel sorry for her but being a detective
36:48you have to see two sides of every situation i have been in situations where people can manipulate
36:54you and can switch on the tears so we were mindful of this but ultimately we were there to establish the
37:02truth
37:10thanks hi luke i'm going to have to arrest you mate all right um and that's on suspicion of murder
37:15all right as part of the police investigation you've been identified as being a suspect in relation to
37:19the deaths of carol and stephen baxter 27th of april 2023 all right okay we'll be taking you up to
37:24chapter custody all right have you been arrested before no never been arrested no no um because i've never
37:28met you before and obviously because of the offense of the allegation i'm going to put you in handcuffs
37:31but they're going to be in the front stack buddy all right just leave me leave everything in a minute
37:34anything upstairs that's going to keep running from that some murders you deal with you know you've got
37:44a whole backstory you've got a whole world of evidence you know you're going to arrest somebody
37:48to be able to then remand them and take it to cps but we weren't at that point thinking we had the full
37:56picture really it it we didn't have a lot does it always get put that way around as in like you know
38:07when you see tv shows people usually yeah no that's when they do like that you're a little bit more
38:11limited to what you can do when it's that way um yeah when it's like that you've got a lot more
38:15freedom to punch that sort of stuff so normally it's round the back they like it round the back
38:19obviously but because you're calm and that sort of stuff we'll put them in the front yeah
38:24uh if you have any questions or anything you want to ask us about the process you're more than welcome
38:29yeah anything you can tell me because it's up yeah anything like this about yeah well yeah
38:34so that's my colleague says no i'm in shock at the moment
38:36one when we got to transfer police station when we were in the holding cells i heard a voice and
38:55i sort of recognize that voice and i was like luke luke is that you and he was like yeah i was like oh
39:01gosh and i said to the police officers oh be nice to him he's not this type of person you know you've got
39:05to be gentle with him it was very clear that the police knew something that we didn't because
39:23prior to luke being there we could talk and you know they were talking back to us and as soon as
39:29he stepped foot in and we were conversing it was it was very very different you know there was like
39:36you stop talking or you're going to get shut in the cell like you know you you are not to speak with
39:40him you're not to you know it was very different the the game really did change quite dramatically
39:45you are here on suspicion of committing an offense okay our job is to investigate it and so we just
40:00have to you know follow the evidence all right i knew that eleanor would be told in interview that her
40:07parents had died of a fentanyl overdose and i was keen to see how she would deal with that because up until
40:14that point she'd waited all this time to find out how her mum and dad died all right now i understand
40:19this is going to be difficult for you and we are going to be talking about a very difficult subject okay
40:34i had three two hour long interviews and i believe it was the first one that they told me that
40:40fentanyl was in their system i was just i was heartbroken to be honest it's one thing
40:49losing your mum and dad but then to find out they've been murdered and then arrested for
40:54murder whilst you're seven months pregnant is another
41:07come on okay just take a moment
41:09i was just trying to keep calm and not let my body go into freak mode like it did when i found mum and
41:25dad um you know i do have a child within me that i've i've got to protect and it's you know it was it
41:32was really hard and and just and then not knowing and you know something so serious as murder there was
41:38thoughts you know am i going to get out i was like surely they must have some form of evidence
41:46to put me at the scene of the crime i was just and i couldn't understand what it could be
41:51do you think the battle's going to hurt me
42:04no we aren't going to be surprised people having their bags
42:08so when luke was brought into custody um the officer searches his bag and finds
42:31a significant amount of pills and medication
42:38he had fentanyl on him he had um four times the dose per capsule of promethine on him
42:48he's asked to account briefly as to what they are he told us that they were his granddads and that he
42:55was trying he was bringing them in to hand them into the doctors and dispose of them
43:07you know we're three months down the line from when we found carol and stephen but yet luke dewitt
43:12has got a bag full of fentanyl and fentanyl is not a drug that you can get very easily
43:18um but yet he's got a hold all full of it
43:29the time is um 1937 and i'm now going to arrest you
43:36or further arrest you for possession of a class a drug namely fentanyl
43:40i find out through my interviews that luke had fentanyl on him at the time of the arrest
43:54but i just had no reason to believe luke was actually involved i just didn't think you know
44:02anything i mean it's luke why would you know why would luke do anything bad
44:05it's just so unlike the luke that i knew i just i don't know i just i just couldn't piece it together
44:13to be honest
44:19elena had been in custody she'd been interviewed um multiple occasions i was content at that point
44:27that there was absolutely no evidence to suggest that elena was involved in the murder of her parents
44:33so she was bailed for the investigation to continue
44:48at that time i was just very confused it was only when i was released and then i realized that he
44:57wasn't um i mean you're not held on remand without a reason
45:12what we don't know is who administered the fentanyl in what form did he do it on his own
45:19does the name dr andrea bowden mean anything to you no comment
45:29officers had been trying to be able to identify dr andrea but it was like she was a ghost and didn't
45:34exist
45:37it was very clear to me she was piecing together the last two years of her life
45:41initially we thought the main motive was financial but the motive wasn't financial it was something else
45:53it was a justice was i felt like i was just kind of a a chess piece
46:07i felt like i was just kind of a chess piece
46:10i felt like i was just kind of a chess piece