Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday vowed that the terrorists and conspirators behind the Pahalgam attack will get a punishment beyond their imagination.
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00:00Prime Minister's thundering message to the world.
00:20Big warning to terrorists and their backers.
00:30They will also give a great pledge to them.
00:46Modis will also give a pledge to them.
00:49pledge. What are India's options? Wargaming India's next move. Top focus on Five Live.
01:16Prime Minister Narendra Modi has given that clarion call for action against radical Islamist
01:21terror and it clearly is Pakistan's state-sponsored radical Islamist terror. He of course hasn't
01:27named Pakistan but he made one thing very clear. It's not just terrorists but also those
01:33who shelter terrorists. There will be action against them. And in Bihar, he spoke Hindi
01:40but he also wanted the world to know what he was saying and what he meant. So for clarity
01:47he spoke English and he said India will identify, track and punish. He said not just the terrorists
01:58but their backers. We will pursue them to the end of the earth. India's spirit will never
02:05be broken by terrorism. Terrorism will not go unpunished. So very clearly it's not just
02:12the terrorists but also those who back terrorists. And the big question you're asking here on
02:19India today is this then endgame Pakistan's state-sponsored radical Islamist terror. What
02:26will India do? What can India do? Especially after what Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said.
02:32Remember, we've already seen surgical strikes after Uri and airstrikes after Pulwama at Balakon.
02:41So what next? I'm Gaurav Savin. We get your details but first as always the headlines on Friday.
02:51India ups the diplomatic ante against Pakistan, seeks global solidarity. The Ministry of External
02:56Affairs briefs envoys of the US, UK, Russia, China, Japan and France.
03:01India issues and advisory tells all Indians to return from Pakistan immediately.
03:12Rattled Pakistan calls Indus Water Treaty PAC suspension and act of war threatens to hold
03:19the Shimla agreement in a bench.
03:21Is Pakistan celebrating the Pahal Gahal massacre with a cake? Cake brought inside Pakistan High
03:34Commission. Man carrying cake evades questions. High drama outside the Park High Commission.
03:39After India suspends the Indus Water Treaty and cancels visas. No more beating retreat at the
03:52Atari border anymore. Pakistan government's ex-handle blocked in India.
03:58Big wall party meeting on the Pahal Gaham attack today. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to chair the
04:09meeting at 6pm. The Defence Minister, the Home Minister and the External Affairs Minister
04:14to brief leaders of political parties.
04:17It was a very stern message that Prime Minister Narendra Modi gave out to the state sponsor of
04:33radical Islamist terror today. Prime Minister Narendra Modi's message was strong, not just to terrorists,
04:39but also to those who sponsored terrorism. He pledged India will identify, trace, track and punish
04:47those behind the recent Pahal Gaham terror attacks in Jammu and Kashmir. He addressed a public rally
04:53in Madhubani in Bihar. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, he speaks Hindi at times. He switched to English
05:00specifically to deliver this chilling message and he wanted the world to hear it. And so that there is,
05:08so that it's not lost in translation. He said it very clearly and I quote,
05:14Today, from the soil of Bihar, I say to the whole world, India will identify, track and punish every terrorist
05:23and their backers. We will pursue them to the end of the world, to the end of earth. India's spirit will never
05:30be broken. Terrorism will not go unpunished. We get you more in this report.
05:38Prime Minister Narendra Modi promises to crush the terrorists behind the Pahal Gaham massacre,
05:50the biggest attack on civilians on Indian soil since 2611.
05:58In his first public meet after the terror attack, Prime Minister Modi began his rally in Madhubani,
06:03in Bihar on Thursday by paying homage to the 26 people who died in the dastardly attack and observed a moment of silence.
06:15The Prime Minister vowed stern action against the perpetrators of the horrific terror attack.
06:21Modi asserted that the terrorists who carried out the attack and brains behind it will be punished beyond their imagination.
06:43Prime Minister Modi also issued a stern warning to the perpetrators of the Pahal Gaham terror attack,
07:12declaring that India will relentlessly pursue every terrorist and their backers.
07:42While addressing the public meeting, Prime Minister Modi switched to English and sent a message to the global community.
08:10I thank the people of various countries and their leaders who have stood with us in this time.
08:21From the soil of Bihar, I say to the whole world,
08:28India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers.
08:45Terrorism will not go unpunished.
08:50Prime Minister Modi had earlier ordered surgical strike and balakot airstrike to avenge the Uri and Pulwama terror attacks on security forces.
09:01The Prime Minister of the Pahal Gaham terror attacks on security forces.
09:06The government will also be warned.
09:10The government will never forget this.
09:14Listen to the government of Pakistan.
09:16The government will not be able to die.
09:18The government will never forget the government of Pakistan.
09:22The resistance front, an alleged front of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayaba has claimed
09:46responsibility for the Pahlkam terror attack.
09:51India has already announced a series of diplomatic measures aimed at Pakistan, including the
09:56suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty.
09:59It is only a matter of time that India hits back, as it did after Uri and Pulwama.
10:06With camera person Deepak Kumar, this is Rohit Singh in Jhanjarpur for India Today.
10:15And the question remains, how will India hit back?
10:19Will India's response remain kinetic like it was after Uri, the surgical strike, and Balakot
10:27after Pulwama?
10:28Or will it be non-kinetic?
10:30And let's discuss some of these options.
10:32I first want to talk about what has already been announced by Foreign Secretary, Vikram
10:36Misri, especially the Indus Waters Treaty.
10:40What does that mean?
10:41A blood-soaked valley, grieving families and a nation shaken to the core by the gruesome
10:47actions of that Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror.
10:51And now, when those videos come out in public domain, each more horrifying than the other,
10:57those eyewitness and survivor accounts, where you hear stories that those terrorists came
11:03up close to all the victims and then said, tell me your name, tell me your religion, recite
11:10Kalma.
11:10And when they couldn't, they were killed at point-blank range.
11:14Now, videos have also emerged.
11:16Now, this has triggered massive response in the country.
11:21And it's not just an emotional response.
11:24It's a very considered response.
11:26Why have we let Pakistan, a state-sponsor of terror, off the hook for decades?
11:32Because remember, Pakistan has been bleeding India for decades.
11:351993, Mumbai blasts, 12 serial blasts, 257 people killed.
11:41We still went with dosti with Pakistan year after year, decade after decade.
11:45They kept striking.
11:47The Kargil War in 1999, 550 of our brave soldiers were killed.
11:53IC814 hijacked.
11:54That Mawlana of Terror, Masood Azhar, was released.
11:57The attack on the Indian Parliament.
11:58The attack on the Jammu and Kashmir State Assembly.
12:01Then, did terrorists stop after that?
12:03We played cricket with them.
12:04We permitted their film stars to come to India.
12:06They all minted money, went back abusing us on Kashmir.
12:09And that wasn't just it.
12:10Even after that, they were actually paying money to radical Islamist terrorist organizations
12:15like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaisa Mohammed, donating to them for the Kashmir cause.
12:19Because Pakistan's ISI asked them to do.
12:21And then there were more attacks.
12:23200 people were killed in the 2006 train attack.
12:26Serial blasts in the Mumbai trains.
12:29Was that the end?
12:30No.
12:31Zaweri Bazar was targeted.
12:32Ahmedabad serial blasts.
12:34Multiple blasts in the city.
12:35And when all the victims were brought to the hospital, the biggest blast took place at the hospital.
12:42And it was timed in such a way so that when victims are in hospital, their relatives are in hospital,
12:47those who've come there to donate blood, they're in hospital.
12:49That is when that blast went off.
12:50I've covered all these terror attacks on ground.
12:54Did Pakistan stop after that?
12:55Raghunath Temple was attacked.
12:57Akshardham Temple was attacked.
12:58Kashi Vishwanath Temple.
12:59So many temples in our country have been attacked.
13:02Jaipur attacked.
13:03Mumbai attacked.
13:04Ahmedabad attacked.
13:04Bangalore Indian Institute of Science attacked.
13:06Jammu and Kashmir repeated attacks.
13:08Pakistan still didn't stop.
13:10It continued to strike India.
13:12After Balakot, at least for five years, there was, outside Jammu and Kashmir, no terror attack.
13:19After Balakot.
13:20But it's intensified in Jammu and Kashmir.
13:22So in a bold and an unprecedented move, it's truly unprecedented,
13:27India has announced a serious measure.
13:29And that is, it's decided that the Indus Waters Treaty will be held in abeyance.
13:36And Pakistan is already reacting in a very different way.
13:42There are some in Pakistan who say this will be seen as an act of war.
13:47I get you more in this report.
13:49It took a massacre of 26 innocent people from all over India to shatter a treaty which has withstood three bloody wars,
14:18and countless diplomatic face-off.
14:23The Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 will be held in abeyance with immediate effect.
14:28The Indus Water Treaty, signed in 1960 and brokered by the World Bank,
14:33was one of the world's most durable international water-sharing framework.
14:39It is also the lifeline of Pakistan.
14:41The treaty governs the use of six rivers in the Indus Basin.
14:47It allocates three eastern rivers, the Ravi, Beyas and the Satluj to India.
14:54Pakistan gets the lion's share of water from the Indus, Chelam and Chinam.
14:59Under the treaty, India received rights of over 20% of the system's water,
15:07roughly 41 billion cubic meters annually,
15:10while Pakistan received 80%, about 99 billion cubic meters.
15:15India has allowed limited use of western rivers
15:18for non-consumption purposes like hydropower,
15:21but cannot block or significantly alter the flow.
15:24The rivers support an entire ecosystem of irrigation and farming,
15:28power generation and drinking water.
15:33Pakistan had built two major dams,
15:36the Tarpela and the Mangala Dam to harness the Indus.
15:39It also built three big mirages,
15:42Gujar, Chasma and Kodri to fulfill its needs of the plains.
15:47India, meanwhile, built hydroelectric projects on the Chinam,
15:50and Baglehar, Salal, Dulhasti and Chamera.
15:54The water of Chinam could not be stored or diverted under the treaty.
15:58On the Ravi River, India built the Ranjit Sagar Dam
16:01and two major dams, Pong and Pando on the Beyas River.
16:05The Satluj River has the iconic Bhakra Nangal
16:08and the Natpa Jhakri project.
16:13For Pakistan, the Indus system is not just vital,
16:17it is existential.
16:17The system contributes nearly 25% of Pakistan's GDP
16:22and supports crops like wheat, rice, sugarcane and cotton.
16:2680% of its cultivated land, about 16 million hectares,
16:30relies on water from the Indus system.
16:3393% of this water is used for irrigation
16:36and to power the country's agriculture backbone.
16:39The system supports over 14.5 crore people in Pakistan.
16:43Major urban centres like Karachi, Lahore, Multan
16:46draw their water directly from these rivers.
16:49Any cut in the water supply by India
16:51could lead to a collapse in food production, threatening food security for millions.
16:55The urban water supplies would dry up, causing unrest in the cities.
17:00Power generation would stall crippling industries and home.
17:03And lone default, unemployment and migration due to these reasons could destabilise the country.
17:09Pakistan has not officially responded yet, but it has legal avenues open.
17:14What will be under scrutiny is India's short-term ability to choke Pakistan of the precious resource.
17:19There is practically no storage capacity developed so far in Jammu and Kashmir,
17:24but experts say India could tinker with the water availability
17:27during the upcoming sowing season in Pakistan,
17:29which could play havoc with the country's economy.
17:32There is currently panic in Pakistan after the announcement that was made in India
17:59about the Indus Waters Treaty being held in abeance.
18:04Pakistan, of course, takes some time to comprehend these things,
18:07to understand these things.
18:09And the buzz on the ground in Pakistan is
18:11that Pakistan will turn into a desert.
18:16That's not what India has said.
18:17But Pakistan is panicking.
18:20And of course, there are some in Pakistan who say
18:22if India stops the water of the Indus River,
18:24it will be seen as an act of war.
18:26So Pakistan is also trying to now drum up some nationalism,
18:31jingoism and support for Pakistan's army chief,
18:34General Asim Munir, seen more as an Islamist.
18:36But that's a separate debate.
18:38Joining me now on this India Today special broadcast
18:41is Ambassador Yash Sinha,
18:44India's former high commissioner to the United Kingdom,
18:47somebody who spent a long time as initially as joint secretary
18:51and then additional secretary at the Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran desk
18:55at the Ministry of External Affairs.
18:56And when Pakistan took this Indus Waters Treaty case
18:59to the Permanent Court of Arbitration,
19:01he was part of fighting back and ultimately won that case.
19:06So, Ambassador Sinha, I want to understand from you
19:10and for the benefit of our viewers, sir,
19:12what does holding the Indus Waters Treaty in abeyance actually mean?
19:17Why is Pakistan in panic?
19:19I think what the government of India has announced
19:23is an ultimatum to Pakistan,
19:26that unless they switch off the faucet of terrorism,
19:31there will be a price to pay.
19:33And the Indus Water Treaty,
19:34which is the lifeline of Pakistan,
19:3780% of the waters of the Indus Water system goes to Pakistan.
19:41India was extremely generous as an upper riparian state
19:46to allocate so much water to Pakistan.
19:49But Pakistan, in return, apart from acts of terrorism,
19:54has even blocked every project that India tries to do
19:58which is allowed, which is permissible,
20:00the run of river projects on the western rivers of the Indus system.
20:05And I recall that 2011-2012,
20:10when they took the matter of the Kishin Ganga hydroelectric project
20:14to arbitration,
20:17I happened to be the co-agent for India,
20:20and we had the redoubtable late Fali Nariman as our lead counsel,
20:24and we argued in the arbitration
20:28that what we were doing was very much within the four walls of the treaty,
20:33and that judgment that came from the court was in our favor.
20:37And yet again, Pakistan has now taken this matter,
20:40the Kishin Ganga project, again, to arbitration.
20:43And of course, they've also appointed a very bizarre situation
20:47where there's a neutral expert going into this
20:49and a court of arbitration also examining it.
20:53So I think Pakistan plays a very obstructionist role.
20:57Okay.
20:57And for us, there is no real merit,
21:00no real gain in continuing the charade of adhering to the treaty.
21:05But right now, we have just issued a warning,
21:08and Pakistan should take it seriously.
21:11So what does this warning truly mean?
21:14Clearly, water will continue to flow.
21:17So, you know, if we were to talk about the upper,
21:20we are an upper Iperian state,
21:22and we were talking about the western, you know, rivers,
21:25Chinab, Jhelam, and Indus.
21:27Pakistan continues to get 80%.
21:28We retain 20%, but we're not even harnessing our 20%.
21:32So why is there this panic in Pakistan?
21:35Many would argue, you can't stop that water.
21:38You can't store it.
21:39Our own country will get flooded.
21:40So is this an empty threat, Ambassador?
21:42No, as far as the western rivers are concerned,
21:46we only have run-of-the-river projects.
21:49We do not block water from flowing.
21:52We do not have that sort of storage capacity.
21:55In fact, the dispute that Pakistan took us to arbitration
22:00was on the issue of the dead storage level
22:04and the size of the sluice gates.
22:07Now, as far as India is concerned,
22:09we have been adhering to the provisions of the treaty
22:13and, till now, the various processes of dispute resolution
22:18have borne that out.
22:21However, the threat that India is making now,
22:25as far as the eastern rivers are concerned,
22:27we already are using it.
22:29It may not be 100%, but you see the Ravi in Lahore
22:33and you will see that we are utilizing,
22:35as per the treaty, the waters of the Ravi or the Bias
22:39or the Sutlej for that matter.
22:42But as far as the western rivers are concerned,
22:45if we raise, for instance, just an example,
22:48and a hydrological engineer would be able to explain that
22:50better than I could,
22:52but if you raise the dead storage level
22:54or you increase the size of the sluice gates,
22:58then you could conceivably store more water
23:03than you would probably do in normal course.
23:06And obviously, to divert waters
23:09is a very long-term, expensive exercise,
23:12but it's not improbable.
23:14Okay, but if we were to even utilize
23:17or not give them extra water
23:20or not even share data,
23:22would that be detrimental to Pakistan?
23:24Because if the treaty is in abence,
23:26then are we obliged to share data?
23:29And if we do not share data,
23:31is Pakistan in trouble?
23:32Well, as far as the sharing of data is concerned,
23:36particularly during the monsoon,
23:38this data is very valuable
23:39because it gauges the flow of the rivers,
23:43especially the western rivers.
23:45And if India stops giving data,
23:47then prior flood warnings, etc.,
23:50would not be easily available to Pakistan.
23:53Pakistan must realize the folly
23:56of the course of action that they've adopted
23:58because for them,
23:59the waters of the Indus
24:01and its tributaries are vital.
24:04It's self-sustaining.
24:05It is important for their agriculture.
24:08And I think they must realize
24:09that terror cannot go hand-in-hand
24:12with seeking cooperation
24:14and the generosity of India
24:16as far as the water of the Indus
24:19and its tributaries are concerned.
24:21OK, now, you know,
24:24before I go to some of the scenarios
24:26that we are discussing
24:28on this special broadcast,
24:29especially after what Prime Minister
24:30Narendra Modi said,
24:32I also want to understand from you,
24:34Pakistan says,
24:34if India were to stop
24:36the Indus waters flow to Pakistan
24:39and there is some panic in their country,
24:41this would be seen as an act of war.
24:44Is there merit in Pakistan's contention
24:48or, you know,
24:50is India able to send across that message
24:52that water for Pakistan
24:53cannot be more precious
24:55than blood of Indians
24:57that Pakistan continues to spill
24:59and has been for decades, sir?
25:01This is saber-rattling
25:04on the part of Pakistan,
25:05par for the cause for that country.
25:08India is not blocking
25:09the waters of the Indus
25:10or even the Western rivers.
25:12And India has not done so so far.
25:14And I don't think
25:15the announcement yesterday
25:17even hinted that that would happen.
25:19However,
25:20cooperation under the framework
25:23of the treaty
25:24is now put on hold.
25:26It's held in abeyance.
25:27So, if we do not share data,
25:29if we decide to work on projects
25:31like the Kishan Ganga,
25:33the Tulbul navigation project
25:35on the Jhelam,
25:37the Ratle project
25:38on the Chenab,
25:40we would be well within our rights.
25:43Perhaps,
25:43and India has started doing that
25:45in many instances since 2019.
25:48A warning was issued to Pakistan
25:49even in 2019
25:50after the Pulwama terror attack.
25:53So, Pakistan today cannot turn around
25:55and say,
25:55you didn't warn us.
25:56This is a grave escalation.
25:59India has repeatedly won them
26:01after Uri,
26:02after Pulwama,
26:03and now taken some action
26:05after the Pehlgaam terror attack.
26:08Now,
26:08what are India's options?
26:10Let's now throw this open.
26:12Joining me now
26:12on this India Today special broadcast
26:15is General Deepak Kapoor,
26:18former chief of the army staff.
26:20General Kapoor,
26:21welcome on India Today.
26:23You heard Prime Minister Narendra Modi
26:24in Bihar where he said,
26:27we will track,
26:28trace,
26:29hunt,
26:29and punish
26:30not just the perpetrators of terror
26:32but also those
26:33who back them,
26:34those who shield them.
26:36What is your appreciation
26:37of what the Prime Minister said
26:39after the Pehlgaam terror attack,
26:41sir?
26:41Let me be historically correct
26:50to say that since 1947
26:51when India got independence,
26:54Pakistan has indulged
26:56in four adventurous actions
26:59in the form of wars
27:00in 1965,
27:0348,
27:0465,
27:0571,
27:05and 1919
27:07at Kargil.
27:08And in all these,
27:10it has not succeeded.
27:12Having not succeeded militarily
27:14in all these wars,
27:16Pakistan decided to bleed
27:17the Indian army
27:18by a thousand cuts
27:20in its own words.
27:21and that is how
27:22in the year 1989
27:24this action of
27:27insurgency
27:28supported
27:29financially,
27:31economically,
27:32and militarily
27:34by Pakistan started.
27:37And
27:37for the last 36 years,
27:40this terror cycle
27:41has seen
27:42various ups and downs.
27:45And
27:45in the ebb and flow
27:47of this terror cycle,
27:49gradually,
27:51thanks to the efforts
27:52made by India,
27:54the
27:54situation
27:56in
27:57Kashmir
27:58has been turning
27:59towards
28:00stability
28:01and
28:02normalcy.
28:03And
28:03for the last
28:05five,
28:05six years,
28:06since the time
28:07on 5th August,
28:09the abrogation
28:10of Article 370
28:11was announced,
28:12gradually
28:13the connectivity
28:15in
28:15Jammu and Kashmir
28:17has improved
28:18in the form of
28:19rail connectivity.
28:21Also,
28:22linkages
28:22across the
28:23Pierpanjal
28:24in form of
28:25road connectivity
28:25have also
28:26improved.
28:28There is
28:29a degree of
28:29peace
28:30which has
28:31prevailed
28:31for the last
28:32three to four years
28:33in the valley
28:33and we
28:34were hopeful
28:35that the
28:36situation
28:36will continue
28:37to keep
28:37improving.
28:38But
28:38definitely
28:39it was
28:39not
28:39to the
28:40Pakistani
28:41army's
28:41designs.
28:42General,
28:43I want you
28:43to listen
28:44to Prime
28:44Minister
28:45Narendra Modi
28:45for a moment.
28:46viewed by
28:46us.
28:47I want you
28:49to listen
28:50to Prime
28:50Minister
28:50Narendra Modi
28:51and usually
28:52when he speaks
28:52in Hindi
28:53it's a message
28:54perhaps domestically
28:55but he chose
28:56in Bihar
28:57to speak
28:58English
28:59and I want
29:00you to listen
29:01into it.
29:02What does
29:02this mean?
29:03What are the
29:03implications?
29:04And we will
29:04then discuss
29:05certain scenarios
29:06on the basis
29:07of what Prime
29:07Minister
29:08Narendra Modi
29:08said.
29:09Listen in.
29:09I thank
29:12the people
29:13of various
29:13countries
29:14and their
29:16leaders
29:16who have
29:18stood with
29:19us
29:19in these
29:21times.
29:22Today
29:23from the
29:26soil of
29:26Bihar
29:27I say
29:30to the
29:31whole world
29:32India
29:34will
29:35identify
29:38track
29:40and
29:41punish
29:42every
29:44terrorist
29:44and
29:46their
29:47backer.
29:51We will
29:52pursue
29:53them
29:53to the
29:55ends
29:56of the
29:57earth.
29:59India's
30:00spirit
30:00will never
30:01be broken
30:02by terrorism.
30:05Terrorism
30:06will not
30:06go
30:07unpunished.
30:11Every
30:11effort
30:12will be
30:12made
30:13to ensure
30:15that justice
30:16is done.
30:18The
30:18entire nation
30:19is formed
30:20in this
30:21resolve.
30:24Everyone
30:24who
30:26believes
30:26in humanity
30:27is with
30:29earth.
30:33So
30:33when
30:34Prime
30:34Minister
30:34Narendra
30:35Modi
30:35says
30:36that
30:36whatever
30:41territory
30:44remains
30:44for
30:44terror
30:44whether
30:45it's
30:45terrorists
30:46or
30:46their
30:46backers
30:47it'll
30:48be
30:48destroyed.
30:49General
30:49Deepak
30:50Kapoor
30:50I want
30:51you to
30:51consider
30:51certain
30:52scenarios
30:52on the
30:53basis
30:53of what
30:53Prime
30:53Minister
30:54Narendra
30:54Modi
30:54indicated.
30:56India
30:56has already
30:57carried out
30:57a surgical
30:58strike.
30:58It's
30:59carried out
30:59an
30:59airstrike
31:00in
31:00Balakot
31:01after
31:01Pulwama.
31:02I want
31:03you to
31:03consider
31:04scenario
31:04one
31:04a
31:05missile
31:06strike.
31:07What
31:07could
31:07perhaps
31:08some
31:08of
31:08the
31:09possible
31:09targets
31:10be?
31:10Of course
31:10the army
31:11knows
31:11the armed
31:11forces know
31:12what to
31:12strike but
31:13for example
31:14the better
31:14known targets
31:15Jaisa Mohamad
31:16headquarters in
31:17Bahawalpur,
31:17Lashkar-e-Taiba
31:18headquarters in
31:19Mureet K,
31:19terror launch
31:21pads in
31:21Pakistan-occupied
31:22Jammu and
31:22Kashmir or
31:23if you were
31:24to hurt terror
31:25backers,
31:26what can be
31:28hurt,
31:28what can be
31:29used?
31:30Is a missile
31:30strike in your
31:31appreciation a
31:32feasible scenario?
31:34General Kapoor.
31:40Let me
31:41express very
31:42frankly,
31:43there's no
31:44point being
31:45speculative on
31:46these issues.
31:46First and
31:47foremost I'd
31:47like to
31:48emphasize there
31:49has to be a
31:49composite
31:50integrated
31:51approach towards
31:52the response
31:54that we have
31:55to consider
31:56and go ahead
31:57with and to
31:58that extent
31:58diplomatically
31:59and politically
32:01certain actions
32:02have been
32:02taken in the
32:04form of
32:04suspension of
32:05the Indus
32:05Water Treaty
32:06and various
32:07other measures
32:07which the
32:08Government of
32:08India have
32:09already announced
32:09and Prime
32:11Minister Modi
32:11is absolutely
32:12right when he
32:13says that
32:14there is no
32:14place for
32:15terror in
32:16the world
32:16nor in
32:17India nor
32:18in Jammu
32:19and Kashmir
32:19as well.
32:20There are a
32:21large number
32:22of different
32:22options which
32:23are available
32:24to the
32:24military both
32:26in a
32:26combined
32:27integrated
32:28fashion as
32:29well as to
32:29the army at
32:30the tactical
32:31and the
32:32strategic level.
32:34So those
32:34are options
32:35which I am
32:36sure the
32:36Government of
32:37India as
32:38well as
32:38in consultation
32:39with the
32:39military
32:40hierarchy
32:40would be
32:41considering
32:41the option
32:42of using
32:44missiles or
32:45launching or
32:47attacking the
32:47launch pads
32:48or various
32:50vulnerable
32:50posts.
32:51Those are
32:52options which
32:52are available.
32:54Some of
32:54these options
32:55were exercised
32:56during Balakot
32:57as well as
32:58the Uri
32:58strikes.
32:58as to what
33:00decision is
33:01taken on
33:01these.
33:02It's a matter
33:02of how it
33:04will play
33:04out considering
33:05the kind of
33:06support which
33:07is coming
33:07internationally
33:08to India
33:09for this
33:10nasterly
33:11terrorist act
33:12by the
33:13Pakistan
33:14army and
33:16its handlers
33:17who have
33:18been responsible
33:18for this
33:19act of
33:19terrorism
33:20where
33:21individual
33:21civilians
33:23have been
33:23targeted and
33:24killed.
33:26So it
33:27would be
33:27futile to
33:28think of
33:28different
33:29and speculate
33:31on different
33:31scenarios without
33:33all the facts.
33:34I think it
33:35would be better
33:35left to the
33:36military hierarchy
33:37as well as
33:38the government
33:38of India to
33:39decide on
33:39these acts.
33:41Fair enough.
33:42And you
33:43know since you
33:43mentioned
33:43diplomatic options
33:44since you
33:45mentioned
33:45whole of the
33:46nation approach
33:47I want to
33:48bring in
33:48Ambassador Sina
33:49into this
33:49conversation
33:49once again.
33:51Ambassador Sina
33:51the fact that
33:54India used
33:55fighter jets
33:57not just to
33:57cross the
33:58line of
33:58control but
33:59hit across
33:59the international
34:00border without
34:01declaration of
34:02war in
34:042019 and
34:05the next day
34:06the Pakistani
34:06response their
34:07fighters did not
34:08cross over to
34:09the Indian
34:09side.
34:09I want to
34:10understand from
34:10you if in
34:122025 there
34:13was to be
34:15there were to
34:15be a missile
34:16strike would
34:17that be seen
34:17as escalation?
34:18well certainly it
34:21would because
34:22till now we
34:24haven't had
34:25missile strikes
34:26as far as
34:27India and
34:28Pakistan goes
34:28particularly when
34:29we are not
34:29fighting a war
34:31so I think a
34:32missile strike
34:32would be an
34:33escalation but
34:34then I wouldn't
34:35like to second
34:36guess what the
34:37government has
34:38planned because
34:40certainly the
34:41government will
34:42give a muscular
34:42response.
34:43what that will
34:44be I think we
34:45should leave it
34:46to our decision
34:47makers.
34:48I am sanguine
34:48that whatever
34:49course of action
34:50that the
34:51government decides
34:52the people of
34:53India will
34:54unite behind
34:56the government
34:56in a stiff
34:58response to
34:59the perpetrators
35:00of terror.
35:02Oh absolutely
35:03I completely agree
35:04with you.
35:05You know the
35:05fact that terror
35:07has to be punished
35:08the fact that
35:08Prime Minister said
35:09there has to be
35:10no territory left
35:12for terrorists
35:13and their
35:14backers and
35:15in your
35:15appreciation
35:16Jal Deepak
35:17Kapoor would
35:18the Pakistani
35:20state or the
35:21Pakistani military
35:23jihad complex
35:24army ISI do
35:26they constitute
35:27part of terror
35:28backers in
35:30in your
35:31appreciation in
35:32India's
35:32assessment.
35:39Look let me
35:40be very frank
35:41that Pakistan
35:42has its own
35:43tremendous
35:44problems
35:44economic
35:45political
35:47as well as
35:48military
35:49as to how
35:50much they can
35:51support this
35:52jihadist
35:53elements in
35:54carrying on
35:54with terrorism
35:55in the
35:56JNK area
35:58is a matter
35:59of doubt
35:59because their
36:01own economy
36:02is in
36:02doldrums
36:03as to whether
36:04in all this
36:05the Pakistan
36:06military
36:07establishment
36:07can continue
36:08to retain
36:09control of
36:10the political
36:11landscape within
36:12Pakistan is
36:13also a
36:13question mark
36:14as to how
36:15it will play
36:16out is a
36:17matter of
36:17time not
36:18withstanding that
36:19the Indian
36:20military as
36:21well as the
36:22political
36:22establishment is
36:23quite aware of
36:25the realities
36:25and I am sure
36:26the kind of
36:27action that
36:28they propose
36:28would take
36:29care of
36:30the efforts
36:31that are
36:32being made
36:32by Pakistan
36:33to use
36:34terrorism as
36:35a weapon
36:35especially when
36:36a tremendous
36:37amount of
36:38peace and
36:38stability was
36:39returning to
36:40the state of
36:40Jammu and
36:41Kashmir
36:41they are
36:42attempting also
36:43to give a
36:45kind of
36:46support to
36:47religious divide
36:49within our
36:49country which
36:50I am sure
36:51needs to be
36:51resisted with
36:53all our
36:53might and
36:54ensure that
36:55terrorism doesn't
36:56find a place
36:56within our
36:57country
36:57no but that's
36:59the problem
36:59with a country
37:00like Pakistan
37:00and with a
37:01chief like
37:02Aasem Munir
37:03in Pakistan
37:04an army chief
37:05like Aasem
37:05Munir
37:05they have no
37:06money they
37:07know it you
37:07know it we
37:08know it but
37:09the fact remains
37:09they still
37:10continue to
37:11support terror
37:11the fact remains
37:12they still
37:13continue to
37:14sponsor terror
37:14in India
37:15I mean that's
37:16a country that
37:16will cut its
37:17nose to spite
37:17its face
37:18you know that
37:20better than
37:21anybody else
37:21as does
37:21Ambassador Sina
37:22and which is
37:23what brings me
37:24to scenario
37:24number two
37:25and considering
37:26you spoke of
37:26their economic
37:27distress
37:28if the Indian
37:30navy were to
37:30carry out a
37:31series of
37:31exercises in
37:32the North
37:32Arabian Sea
37:33or around
37:34the Arabian
37:35Sea
37:35would that
37:36would that
37:37be a nightmare
37:38for Pakistan
37:39because ultimately
37:40that would
37:41in a way
37:42without officially
37:43doing that
37:44lead to a
37:45blockade of
37:46Karachi and
37:46Gwadar
37:47so whether
37:47it's cargo
37:48ships whether
37:49it's oil
37:49tankers either
37:51they wouldn't
37:51be able to
37:52come or
37:52if they do
37:53you know fuel
37:55supply to
37:55Pakistan would
37:56be impacted
37:57civil and cargo
37:57movement would
37:58either be halted
38:00or with increased
38:01insurance it would
38:02be much more
38:02expensive and
38:04unaffordable for
38:05a state that's
38:07literally living
38:08on arms it's
38:10literally living
38:11on begged
38:12borrowed perhaps
38:13stolen money so
38:14should we be
38:16intensifying naval
38:17operations and
38:18exercises in the
38:19Arabian Sea in
38:20your appreciation
38:21Jail Deepak
38:21Kapoor
38:21I think we
38:27would be indulging
38:28in the realm
38:29of speculative
38:30thinking when
38:32we talk about
38:33either naval
38:34army or
38:34air force
38:35actions
38:35systems please
38:36remember there
38:37is a composite
38:38headquarter the
38:39integrated defense
38:40staff and the
38:41government of
38:42India I'm sure
38:43when any steps
38:44have to be taken
38:45they will be
38:46taken in total
38:47consideration of
38:48all these factors
38:49whether it is to
38:51be combined
38:51operation by
38:53air force navy
38:54and the army
38:56or restricted in
38:58certain other
38:59spheres or
39:00whether the
39:01missiles are to
39:01be used so
39:02these are areas
39:03which the
39:03government of
39:04India and
39:05the powers that
39:06are currently
39:07dealing with
39:07the situation
39:08will be fully
39:08aware of and
39:09they will take
39:10an appropriate
39:11action all that
39:12I would like to
39:13say is that as
39:16the country is
39:16behind whatever
39:17they decide to
39:18do it will be
39:20coordinated action
39:21integrated fully
39:22and that will
39:24take care of the
39:25kind of retaliation
39:27that we wish to
39:28plan towards
39:29Pakistan and
39:31its military
39:31establishment
39:32okay
39:33Ambassador Sina
39:34if India's
39:35effort is to
39:36ensure that
39:36Pakistan does
39:37not have
39:37funds for
39:39terror and
39:40you know
39:41whatever little
39:42funds they
39:42have they've
39:43been begging
39:43for money from
39:44the international
39:45monetary fund
39:45they've been
39:46begging Saudi
39:47Arabia United
39:48Arab Emirates
39:49bartering their
39:50territory or our
39:52territory to
39:52China and yet
39:54sponsoring terror
39:55so would
39:57squeezing funds
39:58out of Pakistan
39:58be an option
39:59and should that
40:00be an option
40:00and I'm sure
40:01that's an option
40:01but what do
40:02you make of
40:03naval exercises
40:04there's nothing
40:05that Pakistan
40:06can do
40:06I mean it's
40:06international
40:07what is it
40:07we were to
40:08carry out
40:08exercises
40:08look Gaurav
40:10as far as
40:11Pakistan is
40:12concerned
40:12I have always
40:13maintained that
40:14it's a sick
40:15man of Asia
40:16the sick man
40:17of Asia
40:17surviving on
40:18a drip
40:19and it's
40:20not a recent
40:20phenomenon
40:21for many
40:22years
40:22that benefactors
40:24may have
40:24changed
40:25but Pakistan's
40:26obsessive
40:27hatred
40:29for India
40:30remains the
40:31same
40:32so I think
40:32squeezing of
40:34funds
40:34whatever funds
40:35they have
40:35they will
40:36deploy against
40:37India
40:38because of
40:39their obsession
40:40and I think
40:41the people of
40:42Pakistan must
40:42realize that
40:44their army
40:45their decision
40:46makers are
40:47leading them
40:48down a path
40:49of destruction
40:50so I think
40:51it's time
40:52for the people
40:54to ensure
40:55that its
40:56leadership
40:56steps back
40:57from the
40:58brink
40:59okay
40:59I for
41:01then for
41:01a moment
41:02also want
41:02to talk
41:02about
41:03you know
41:04what Pakistan
41:04often describes
41:05General Deepak
41:06Kapoor as
41:07namaloom
41:08afraad or
41:09unknown
41:10gunmen
41:10we don't
41:11know who
41:11they are
41:12Pakistan
41:13claims they
41:14are Indians
41:15we have no
41:15idea or they
41:16claim they're
41:16Pakistanis
41:17backed by
41:18Indians
41:18again we
41:19have absolutely
41:19no idea
41:20but is
41:21that
41:22is that
41:23working to
41:25take out
41:25terrorists who
41:26may have
41:27been involved
41:27in actions
41:28in Jammu
41:28and Kashmir
41:29because I'm
41:30told the
41:30intelligence
41:31agencies and
41:31networks know
41:32who all were
41:33responsible whether
41:34they were state
41:35actors semi-state
41:36actors non-state
41:37actors I'm
41:38told they're all
41:3950 shades of
41:40Hafiz Saeed
41:40anyways but
41:42what is described
41:43often as covert
41:44operations neutralized
41:46high-value terror
41:47targets or strategic
41:48targets in
41:49Pakistan targeted
41:51assassinations in
41:52Pakistan
41:53is that
41:54something that
41:54would deter
41:55Pakistan as
41:56a terrorist
41:57state or
41:58they have
41:59gone so
42:00down the
42:00road that
42:01you know
42:02it's like a
42:03drug addict
42:03even though he
42:04knows drugs are
42:05bad he can't
42:06do anything about
42:07it and Pakistan
42:08is addicted to
42:09terror
42:09general Kapoor
42:10I would not
42:17like to indulge in
42:18speculative thinking
42:19but I'd like to
42:20ask you a
42:21counter question
42:21haven't the
42:23ISI of
42:23Pakistan been
42:25trying to invoke
42:26trouble of all
42:28kinds within our
42:29country from time
42:30to time the
42:31history of the
42:32last 75 years
42:33will show that
42:34besides the
42:36military operation
42:37time and again
42:39the ISI have
42:40tried different
42:41means to
42:42incite communal
42:45hatred within
42:46our country
42:46which is
42:47something which
42:48we have stoutly
42:49defended against
42:50so these are
42:52covert operations
42:54which they have
42:54carried out
42:55if they are now
42:56speculating about
42:57Namaloon
42:58killers
42:59well that's
43:01something they
43:01are quite familiar
43:03with and what
43:04they are familiar
43:05with I suppose
43:06they are supposed
43:06to be expecting
43:08what they have
43:08been dealing
43:10all along
43:11in India with
43:12so if
43:14Namaloon
43:15killers
43:16have done
43:17some actions
43:18I suppose
43:19it only
43:21shows that
43:22those
43:22Namaloon
43:24killers
43:24have
43:26had
43:27the
43:28time
43:29and the
43:29effort
43:30to take
43:31care of
43:31people who
43:32have been
43:32the
43:34hotheads of
43:35terrorism
43:36who have been
43:36spreading terrorism
43:37not only
43:38within our
43:39country
43:39but across
43:40the world
43:41oh absolutely
43:43that's a very
43:43pertinent point
43:44you make
43:45because
43:45Ambassador Sina
43:46as you know
43:47better
43:47Pakistan
43:48has
43:50for example
43:51Madeleine
43:51Obright
43:52described
43:53she described
43:53Pakistan as
43:54the international
43:54terror epicenter
43:55Pakistan anyways
43:57is seen as
43:58the global
43:58terror
43:58central
43:59Osama bin
44:01Laden found
44:01and killed
44:02there
44:02David Coleman
44:03in Hedley
44:03was
44:03Lashkar
44:04sleeper
44:04cell
44:05in
44:05America
44:05Captain
44:06Tahavar
44:07Hussein
44:07Rana
44:07who has
44:07been
44:07extradited
44:08to India
44:08now
44:09was
44:09Lashkar
44:09sleeper
44:10cell
44:10in
44:10Canada
44:11they
44:11carried
44:11out
44:12or
44:12attempted
44:12to carry
44:12out
44:13a terror
44:13attack
44:13in
44:14Europe
44:14so
44:14is
44:16the
44:17world
44:18or can
44:18the world
44:19unite
44:19to target
44:20Pakistan's
44:22military
44:22jihad
44:23infrastructure
44:23or is
44:24that
44:25best left
44:26to the
44:26victims
44:26of terror
44:27and
44:27currently
44:28perhaps
44:28India
44:29Afghanistan
44:30and certain
44:31other
44:32countries
44:32I think
44:34the fact
44:35that
44:36Pakistan
44:37is a
44:38state
44:38sponsor
44:38of terrorism
44:39is widely
44:40known
44:40I mean
44:41right from
44:42its inception
44:42it has
44:43used the
44:44fig leaf
44:44of non-staked
44:45actors
44:46whether it
44:47was the
44:47tribals
44:48Razakars
44:4947
44:5148
44:5165
44:52they launched
44:53Operation
44:54Gibraltar
44:54in 99
44:56in Kargil
44:58the Northern
44:59Light Infantry
45:00was involved
45:01but they
45:01denied
45:01they refused
45:02to take
45:03back
45:03even
45:03their
45:03dead
45:04bodies
45:04so
45:05Pakistan
45:05has a
45:05history
45:0626
45:0711
45:07they denied
45:08that they
45:09were Pakistanis
45:10till
45:10Kasab
45:11the identity
45:12of Kasab
45:13was clearly
45:14proven
45:14so I think
45:15the world
45:16knows
45:17that Pakistan
45:18can hide
45:19behind
45:19what they
45:20consider to be
45:21non-state
45:22actors
45:22but everyone
45:23knows
45:24that they
45:24are the ones
45:25who are
45:25sponsoring it
45:26they're
45:27sponsoring
45:28these acts
45:28of terrorism
45:29sponsoring
45:30these terrorists
45:31so I think
45:32even the one
45:32attack in
45:33Pahlgaam
45:33was executed
45:35with some
45:35amount of
45:36precision
45:36they certainly
45:37would have
45:38had support
45:39from the
45:40Pakistan
45:41jihadi complex
45:42the military
45:43jihadi complex
45:44which brings
45:45me to
45:45scenario
45:46number
45:46four
45:47and something
45:48that perhaps
45:48already is
45:49happening
45:49is exposing
45:51Pakistan
45:51state support
45:53to terror
45:53globally
45:54expose
45:55ISI sleeper
45:56cells
45:57worldwide
45:58like
45:58Tahavar
45:59Hussain
45:59Rana
45:59like David
46:00Coleman
46:00Hedley
46:01like
46:01Hulam
46:02Nabi
46:02Fai
46:03that
46:03Pakistan
46:04ISI
46:05operative
46:06in the
46:06United States
46:07of America
46:07of course
46:08Hedley
46:08Tahavar
46:09Rana
46:10Hulam
46:10Nabi
46:10Fai
46:10they were
46:11all exposed
46:11by the
46:12Federal Bureau
46:13of Investigation
46:13some sources
46:15seem to
46:15indicate that
46:16there was
46:17tremendous
46:17intelligence
46:18cooperation
46:18between
46:19India
46:19and the
46:20United States
46:20of America
46:21should India
46:23also be
46:24lending
46:24Ambassador
46:25Sina
46:26support
46:27diplomatic
46:28support
46:29emotional
46:30support
46:30to the
46:31freedom
46:31fighters
46:32of
46:32Balochistan
46:32and those
46:34Pashtuns
46:34you know
46:35the movement
46:36there
46:37against
46:37Pakistan's
46:39atrocities
46:39whether it's
46:40in Balochistan
46:40or in
46:41Khaybar
46:41Pakhtun
46:42as far
46:44as India
46:44is concerned
46:45India
46:46is a
46:46responsible
46:47state
46:47India
46:48is not
46:49a state
46:49sponsor
46:50of terrorism
46:50so India
46:51does not
46:52behave
46:52like Pakistan
46:54and that
46:54is why
46:55India's
46:55credentials
46:56are well
46:57respected
46:57and that
46:58is why
46:59today
46:59India's
47:00ranking
47:00or India's
47:01standing
47:02in the
47:03committee
47:03of nations
47:04is so
47:04high
47:04so I
47:05wouldn't
47:05like to
47:06go down
47:06to the
47:07level
47:07that
47:08Pakistan
47:08has
47:08stooped
47:09and as
47:10far as
47:10India is
47:10concerned
47:11what is
47:12happening
47:12in
47:12Balochistan
47:13what is
47:13happening
47:14in
47:14Khyber
47:14Pakhtun
47:15Kwa
47:15is an
47:16eternal
47:16matter
47:17of
47:17Pakistan
47:17yet
47:18it
47:19does
47:19concern
47:20every
47:20person
47:22who
47:22loves
47:22democracy
47:23freedom
47:24rights
47:24and the
47:25right
47:25to choose
47:26and I
47:27think
47:27as far
47:27as
47:28what's
47:29happening
47:29in Pakistan
47:30is concerned
47:30it is a
47:31blowback
47:32it's a
47:32Frankenstein's
47:34monster
47:34that is
47:35now
47:35turning
47:36on its
47:37creator
47:37okay
47:38is that
47:39also your
47:40appreciation
47:40General
47:41Kapoor
47:42you know
47:42we saw
47:43what happened
47:43at the
47:43Jafar
47:44Express
47:44the way
47:45Pakistan
47:46army is
47:46unable to
47:47move around
47:48openly
47:48in
47:49in
47:49Khyber
47:50Pakhtun
47:50Kwa
47:51and in
47:51Balochistan
47:52the ever
47:53since Taliban
47:54took over
47:54in Afghanistan
47:55Pakistan
47:57thought
47:57it was
47:58second
47:58freedom
47:58movement
47:59or words
47:59to that
48:00effect
48:00they
48:01permitted
48:01TTP
48:02Taliban
48:03Pakistan
48:04fighters
48:05to come
48:05into their
48:06territory
48:06and Pakistan
48:07has been
48:08bleeding
48:08ever since
48:09what do
48:10you make
48:10of what's
48:10happening
48:11in Balochistan
48:11and in
48:12KPK
48:13look
48:20Pakistan
48:21has been
48:22always known
48:22to be
48:23the fountain
48:23head of
48:24terrorism
48:24so
48:25when you
48:26try and
48:27cultivate
48:28terrorists
48:29the possibility
48:30as to
48:32some
48:32or a
48:33large
48:33double
48:33of them
48:34would turn
48:35against you
48:35for their
48:36own benefits
48:37and gains
48:37is very
48:38strong
48:38and is
48:39bound to
48:40happen
48:40at some
48:40stage or
48:41the other
48:41so if
48:42trouble for
48:45Pakistan
48:45is happening
48:46in Balochistan
48:47or in
48:48Khyber
48:48Pakhtun
48:49Kwa
48:49or along
48:51the
48:52Pakistan
48:53Afghanistan
48:54border
48:54it is
48:55primarily
48:56those
48:56very
48:56terrorists
48:57who
48:57it has
48:58trained
48:58who are
48:59turning
48:59their
48:59back
49:00on to
49:01Pakistan
49:01establishment
49:02military
49:02establishment
49:03and
49:04showing
49:05their
49:05fangs
49:05to
49:06the
49:06Pakistan
49:07military
49:08as well
49:08as
49:09the
49:09administration
49:10of course
49:11there is
49:12also
49:12the fact
49:12that
49:12there is
49:13a very
49:13strong
49:13movement
49:14within
49:14Balochistan
49:15for
49:16its
49:16independence
49:17from
49:17Pakistan
49:18because
49:19they feel
49:19that
49:20they have
49:20been
49:20absolutely
49:21cheated
49:22as far
49:22as their
49:22resources
49:23are
49:23concerned
49:23they have
49:24been
49:24actually
49:25been
49:26taken
49:26for a
49:27ride
49:27by the
49:28dominant
49:28community
49:29within
49:29Pakistan
49:30that is
49:30the
49:31Punjabi
49:31elite
49:31and that
49:32is why
49:33there is
49:33literally
49:34a rebellion
49:34within
49:35Balochistan
49:36to have
49:37an independent
49:38state
49:38of their
49:38own
49:39likewise
49:39the
49:40other
49:40provinces
49:41of
49:41Pakistan
49:41whether
49:42it
49:42is
49:43Siddh
49:43or
49:44Khaybar
49:44also
49:44feel
49:46the
49:46domination
49:47of
49:47the
49:47Punjabi
49:48elites
49:48in
49:49almost
49:49all
49:50departments
49:52and
49:53functions
49:54of the
49:54government
49:54so
49:55there is
49:55a degree
49:56of resentment
49:57which is
49:57already
49:57existing
49:58as to
49:59how
50:00Pakistan
50:02can stay
50:02away from
50:03the acts
50:04of terrorism
50:04for these
50:05very people
50:06is a matter
50:07of time
50:08and gradually
50:09it is bound
50:09to show
50:10at some
50:10stage or
50:11the other
50:11in the next
50:12which brings
50:13me to our
50:13question number
50:14five
50:15has the
50:15ceasefire
50:16along the
50:16line of
50:17control
50:17held India
50:18in good
50:19stead
50:19is that
50:20helping
50:20Pakistan
50:21better
50:22is it
50:22better
50:23that the
50:23Pakistan
50:23army
50:24remains
50:24stretched
50:25not just
50:25along the
50:26Durand
50:26line
50:26along the
50:27AFPAC
50:28border
50:28but also
50:29along the
50:30line of
50:31control
50:31so 770
50:32kilometers of
50:33the LC
50:33200 kilometers
50:34of the
50:35international
50:35border
50:36and 110
50:37kilometers of
50:37the actual
50:38ground position
50:38line
50:39the Pakistan
50:40army was
50:41able to
50:41shift
50:41considerable
50:42resources
50:42and take
50:43them along
50:43the AFPAC
50:44border
50:44virtually
50:452700
50:46kilometers
50:47to fight
50:48there
50:48is it
50:49better if
50:49the Pakistan
50:50army is
50:50stretched
50:51on all
50:51borders
50:52and internally
50:53Jal Deepak
50:53Kapoor
50:54in your
50:54appreciation
50:55sir
50:55yes you
51:01are right
51:01the Pakistan
51:02army is
51:03stretched
51:04to a
51:04large
51:05extent
51:05starting
51:06from
51:06Balochistan
51:07Khyber
51:08Paktun
51:09along the
51:10Afghanistan
51:11Pakistan
51:12border
51:12and now
51:14they have
51:14taken on
51:15themselves
51:16along the
51:17India
51:18Pakistan
51:18ceasefire
51:19line as
51:20well
51:20as far as
51:22international
51:23agreements
51:23go
51:23I am
51:24sure the
51:25Indian
51:25side
51:26would
51:26absolutely
51:28stick to
51:29the
51:29agreements
51:29which have
51:30been done
51:30in the
51:30past
51:31but should
51:31there be
51:32any
51:32violations
51:32all along
51:33the line
51:33of control
51:34I have
51:35no doubt
51:35the Indian
51:36military
51:36the army
51:38navy and
51:38the air
51:38force will
51:39give them
51:40a befitting
51:40response
51:41notwithstanding
51:42that the
51:42condition and
51:43plight
51:44within the
51:45military
51:45establishment
51:46of Pakistan
51:46is actually
51:47rather insecure
51:49and sensitive
51:51especially because
51:52there is an
51:53element
51:53especially among
51:54the younger ranks
51:55of the
51:55Pakistan
51:56military
51:57who are
51:58more close
51:59to the
52:00Imran
52:00side of
52:02politics
52:02than to
52:03the present
52:03dispensation
52:04and that
52:05is something
52:06which is a
52:06major cause
52:07of concern
52:07for the
52:08Pakistan
52:09hierarchy
52:09because
52:10a kind
52:12of a
52:12rebellion
52:14at the
52:14lower ranks
52:15can be a
52:15major source
52:16of problem
52:16for them
52:17in the
52:17future as
52:18well
52:18fair enough
52:20because
52:20the more
52:22Pakistan
52:22army
52:23bleeds
52:24the less
52:25it will
52:25have the
52:26capacity
52:26to bleed
52:27India
52:28and Indians
52:29it does
52:30not want
52:30peace
52:31with India
52:31and clearly
52:32not when it
52:33has a
52:33radical
52:34Islamist
52:34as the
52:35chief
52:35of their
52:36army
52:37General
52:37Asim
52:38Munir
52:38General
52:39Deepak
52:39Kapoor
52:39and Ambassador
52:40Sina for
52:41joining me
52:41here on
52:42this India
52:42Today special
52:43broadcast
52:44many thanks
52:44gentlemen
52:45the options
52:46are with
52:47Prime Minister
52:47Narendra Modi
52:48and the
52:49Cabinet
52:49Committee
52:49on Security
52:50and it
52:50remains to
52:51be seen
52:51what option
52:53does Government
52:54of India
52:54exercise
52:55there are
52:55many many
52:56options
52:57off the
52:58table
52:58on the
52:59table
52:59that they
53:00can
53:00and perhaps
53:01as all
53:02of the
53:02nation
53:03approach
53:03exercise
53:03to keep
53:04India
53:04and Indians
53:06safe
53:06from Pakistan
53:07state
53:08sponsored
53:08radical
53:09Islamist
53:09terror
53:10there's
53:10breaking
53:11news
53:11that's
53:11coming
53:12in
53:12let's
53:12quickly
53:13cut
53:13across
53:13we are
53:13told
53:14the
53:14all
53:14party
53:14meeting
53:15is to
53:15begin
53:16shortly
53:16Union
53:17Home
53:17Minister
53:18Amit
53:18Shah
53:18has
53:19arrived
53:19for the
53:20all
53:20party
53:20meeting
53:21Raj
53:21Singh
53:22the
53:22defence
53:22minister
53:23is
53:23chairing
53:23the
53:23meeting
53:24external
53:24affairs
53:24minister
53:25Dr.
53:25S.
53:25Jai Shankar
53:26will also
53:27be there
53:27he will
53:28also be
53:28briefing
53:29the
53:30all
53:31party
53:31delegates
53:32members
53:32who
53:32come
53:33there
53:33for
53:33that
53:33meeting
53:34and
53:34there
53:34you
53:34watch
53:34images
53:35of
53:35the
53:36home
53:37minister
53:37Amit
53:37Shah
53:38arriving
53:38for
53:38the
53:39meeting
53:39he's
53:39already
53:39briefed
53:40President
53:41Draupadi
53:42Murmu
53:42as has
53:43the
53:43external
53:43affairs
53:43minister
53:44Dr.
53:44S.
53:45Jai Shankar
53:46now
53:46they
53:47will
53:47be
53:48briefing
53:48leaders
53:49of the
53:49opposition
53:50of all
53:50political
53:51parties
53:51and get
53:52a sense
53:52of
53:53India
53:54what
53:54are
53:54suggestions
53:55that
53:55the
53:55opposition
53:56parties
53:56have
53:56what's
53:57the
53:57best
53:57course
53:58forward
53:58in
53:59dealing
53:59with
53:59Pakistan
54:00state
54:00sponsored
54:00radical
54:01Islamist
54:01terror
54:02to