I can check off another rocker I’ve never met or interviewed before. Today I’m joined by the last original member from the band Accept, Wolf Hoffmann. He was great to speak with, as you’ll see. We talked about getting back on stage, the last album, plans for the next album, having success in America and switching record labels. It’s funny, Wolf doesn’t live outside his bubble, as he confessed that he didn’t know about the Pantera “reunion” or Stranger Things, in which the Eddie Munson character has an Accept pin on his jacket. But he did know about where I must take my 21 year old daughter in Nashville.
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00:00Thank you so much for watching Riff TV.
00:02Now, this interview is obviously with video, but I don't interview everybody on Zoom.
00:07That's why I put it on my Talkin' Rock with Meltdown podcast.
00:10We talk to rock artists from all over the genre.
00:13So check out Talkin' Rock with Meltdown wherever you get your podcasts.
00:16And now to today's video interview.
00:20So you're out there touring festivals in Europe.
00:23Tell us about that.
00:24Yeah, man.
00:25I'm in Germany right now, but we've been all over Europe.
00:28We've been to Finland and Greece and Italy.
00:33And God knows, we've been everywhere.
00:35It's been fantastic so far.
00:36Fantastic reactions.
00:38And you can really feel that the crowd is hungry for metal again.
00:41It's really great vibes wherever we play.
00:44How much stuff you played off the new album?
00:46Actually, we do play quite a bit lately.
00:48Depending on how long the set is, we played up to five songs of the new album, believe it or not.
00:52Which is almost unheard of for us.
00:55A lot of times in the past, we've done like, you know, one or two or three songs.
00:59And then, you know, just concentrate on this stuff that we, the tried and true stuff that we know works.
01:05But man, these new songs go down great.
01:07So we keep adding more stuff.
01:09It's fantastic.
01:09Yeah, I was going to say, what dictates that?
01:11But I guess just feel?
01:12Feel, and basically you try it out and you see how is the audience's reaction.
01:20And if you feel the whole vibe going down, then you say to yourself, well, maybe that didn't work so well.
01:25Let's try another one.
01:27You know, basically, you immediately feel the vibe of the audience.
01:31You know, whether they're all excited or they go like, huh, what's that one?
01:35You know.
01:36Now, do you guys, are you guys able to change on the fly?
01:39Can you look at the band and go, yeah, let's skip to something else?
01:43No, we don't do it that way.
01:44Come on.
01:45We're not, we're not a bar band.
01:47We can't, we have a set list and we kind of stick to it.
01:49Besides, besides we always have a pretty strict timeline or time limit that we have to, so we time it basically to the minute.
01:56When they say we've got 60 minutes, it's going to be 60 minutes.
02:00Yeah, that's cool.
02:01So tell me about getting back out on tour because, I mean, obviously you guys were all locked down for the world.
02:08What was your first show that you guys played out?
02:10Oh gosh, I don't even remember.
02:12It was one in the U.S. last fall, maybe Penn's Peak, somewhere on the East Coast there.
02:18I forget which exactly the first show was, but, you know, those were, but I feel like these are the first proper big shows that we've been doing.
02:28And, you know, these big festivals here in Europe, it's a whole nother, I don't know, bigger stages and masses of people.
02:34So it feels quite different.
02:36And I think the first one was in Germany, a walk-hard festival.
02:40Yeah.
02:40Now, I grew up over here in the States and we're just kind of experiencing this whole festival thing like in the last 10 or 12 years.
02:46But you've been doing it your whole life, haven't you, over in Europe?
02:49Yeah, yeah.
02:49And it's a tradition that started maybe 30 years ago by now.
02:53And I'm glad it did because it really keeps the metal community together and it keeps everybody, you know, in the loop.
03:01And it's a fantastic way to, first of all, I mean, it's almost like an institution for the audience.
03:07You know, they come there every year, they spend almost a week maybe camping and it's almost like going to Disney World or Disneyland or somewhere, you know, with your family.
03:17It's almost this event and then they see, you know, however many bands that want to see it during the three, four days.
03:24Yeah, I've watched documentaries from some festivals that have taken place over there.
03:29And it's kind of cool because it's like no matter where you are in the world, there's that one thing that ties everybody together.
03:34When you're at a rock concert, everyone's there for the same reason.
03:36That's right.
03:37And funny enough, the people are very traditional in Europe.
03:40They still have these old, you know, them in the best with all the patches and, you know, they're metal through and through.
03:45They don't care what's in, you know, they don't care about hip hop or whatever.
03:49They might listen to it, but they still go back to the good old metal days and they dress up and they're, you know, they don't, they're very loyal fans.
03:57It's great.
03:58So what other stuff do you listen to besides metal?
04:01Not that much, to be honest.
04:03I'm not a huge record or song collector or anything.
04:06I don't really care that much.
04:08I do listen to classical music.
04:10I really want to get into something.
04:12That's sort of always been my hobby or my passion.
04:15Yeah.
04:16And you've done some solo records around that too.
04:18I have.
04:19And that's really where I get a lot of inspiration.
04:21And that's the stuff I can really focus on.
04:24But modern day metal and stuff, I hear it, obviously, when we play out stuff, but I'm not the guy who has got the ear pods in all the time.
04:33And this is, you know, head banging on the airplane.
04:36That's not me.
04:37I'm kind of glad sometimes to have my peace and quiet and I don't, I don't really need to listen to all that stuff.
04:43Yeah.
04:44I'm with you there.
04:45So what kind of stuff does influence your, your music?
04:47I mean, do you do, when you're, when you're writing a record, do you try to remain in a bubble?
04:51So nothing influences you and you're just kind of focused on accept?
04:54Pretty much.
04:55I mean, I'm always looking for inspiration for song ideas that catch cool catchphrases or themes that inspire me to write a song, you know, because there's nothing worse than having a cool riff and you have got no idea what to do with it because you don't know what is the song about or who are we talking about or where is the song going or where's his riff going?
05:19And it's always very cool if you've got an idea, you know, or at least a catchphrase that kind of lends itself to, you know, storytelling in a way.
05:30Yeah.
05:30Something to start from.
05:31So how often do you bounce ideas off your wife?
05:35Not that much anymore because she's not that involved anymore.
05:38She's basically retired.
05:39But in the past, especially in the 80s, she wrote just about all the lyrics.
05:45And nowadays it's less and less, but there's still an abundance of ideas there.
05:51If I need any, you know, there's, you know, there's a secret little book with all those, you know, it's actually funny.
05:56If you go back through that book, you see a lot of the titles that, oh yeah, that became that song, that became that song.
06:01So a lot of that stuff is in there.
06:03And initially it was just, you know, a little notebook.
06:07That's, I guess a lot of songwriters do that.
06:10They always have something to write.
06:11If they see something on the paper, like in the newspaper or on the news, or it just pops in their head, they just write it down.
06:19You never know when you might need it, you know?
06:21Yeah.
06:21Yeah.
06:21I guess, yeah.
06:22Do you got like a little notebook on your, on your bedside or something like that?
06:25Not on my bedside, but I've got it on my, you know.
06:27Oh, your phone.
06:28Oh yeah.
06:28At the end of my iPhone, I constantly, when I, when I hear it, when I have something, you know, I type it in.
06:33And then when I sit there with my guitar, not having any, when I'm just drawing a blank, I go through my iPad and go like, oh, that might work.
06:41Let me try that.
06:41And I'll sing, sing the words and then a rhythm starts and shit starts to develop.
06:47So, uh, Too Me to Die came out last year.
06:50I guess, uh, would that be a quote unquote, your pandemic record?
06:53It would be.
06:54Yeah.
06:54We, we started it before the pandemic actually was underway and then we finished it during the pandemic.
07:01And then that's why we thought the title Too Me to Die was like sort of appropriate, you know, because we are the, you know, the metal warriors that can't be killed by a little virus.
07:11That's right.
07:12But I, I've talked to many bands and, uh, they've said that the, uh, the, the, uh, you know, the pandemic kind of afforded them time to kind of go back over things.
07:20Was, was that what you guys did or did you guys just record this normally like you normally would?
07:24We recorded, well, we tried to finish this album sort of leap, uh, uh, uh, limping home because we couldn't fly our producer Andy Sneed into the States because of the travel ban that existed.
07:36So we had to do it remote.
07:38Some of the songs had to be done remotely with him being in England and we were in Nashville.
07:43So that was a little odd.
07:45Um, but you know, yeah, uh, sorry.
07:49What was the question?
07:50Well, I was just going to say, did, did you have time like to actually kind of, you know?
07:54Yeah.
07:55Well, to be totally honest, I wasn't that inspired.
07:58I was, I was pretty beat down by the whole thing because I was, I mean, we made this album, we were ready to tour with it and the tour was canceled and we thought, uh, well, maybe we can tour the summer festivals.
08:10So we always had this sort of thing on the horizon, a few months out.
08:16And every time it was canceled, it was like, uh, you know, hurry up and wait.
08:20So I was never like really inspired.
08:23I don't know.
08:24It just dragged me down more than inspiring me to it.
08:27Well, two weeks to flatten the curve, you know?
08:30Yeah.
08:33So are you going to work with Andy Sneed on the next record?
08:36We better.
08:38Yeah.
08:38I already, I already texted him.
08:40Funny enough, I texted him yesterday.
08:41Hey, when can we do the next album?
08:43Not that we have written all the new songs yet, but it always starts with setting a goal and a timeline.
08:49Hey, maybe next February, we should just hunker down and see what we got.
08:53And then I get going because I know shit, February is not too far ahead.
08:59You know, I better start collecting some shit.
09:01I always need a little artificial deadline there.
09:05Right.
09:05I know you're going to be finishing your, uh, uh, tour in the end of October.
09:08Is that it for the year then after you finish these U.S. dates?
09:12Yeah, probably.
09:13And then when that's actually when we have to get serious about songwriting right after.
09:17Definitely.
09:18Yeah.
09:18And so now do you live in Nashville now or are you in Florida?
09:21Uh, well, both places really.
09:23I have a house in Florida and a house in Nashville.
09:26Yeah.
09:26Yeah.
09:26Nashville.
09:27I've been in Nashville forever and ever.
09:30Almost longer than, you know, nowadays everybody lives in Nashville.
09:33And I keep thinking like, well, damn it.
09:35I was here first.
09:36You know, of course I wasn't first.
09:38There was a million people when I moved there, but from all the metal people, I feel still,
09:43Hey, I'm, I was, I was the first guy in town.
09:47You're the OG as they say.
09:49So you guys are going to be working with the new record label and everything.
09:52Talk about that.
09:53Yeah.
09:53We signed up with Napalm Records.
09:55Um, and we're very excited about that.
09:57You know, they seem to have a great team.
09:59As a matter of fact, we met them last week for the first time in person because of the
10:03pandemic.
10:03We had to do all the, all the signing and all that remotely, but they're super nice
10:08guys, metalhead through metalheads through and through.
10:11So can't wait to have a new product out of them probably next year at some point.
10:16I'm not exactly sure when the release date will be, but I know, well, hell we haven't
10:21even recorded it yet.
10:22So it's going to be a new album before too long, but it's got to be good to meet people
10:26of your own ilk that are now working with you.
10:28Cause you, you probably, you've probably had that in your career somewhere where people
10:31just, they really weren't on your side.
10:33They weren't really with you as far as record labels stuff, wasn't there?
10:37Yeah, definitely.
10:38I mean, we've seen it all.
10:39We've been with a major late, we've been caught with Sony in the eighties and it was all about
10:45Michael Jackson back then.
10:47You know, we were like a little, little tiny fish in a huge pond and Michael Jackson was
10:52the big gorilla or the big whatever fish, you know, and we were like the little, the
10:58little German band or, you know.
10:59And then it's nice to be now with like the last 10 years we've been with Nuclear Blast
11:06and they've been also great because they're metal fans, they get it, they know, they live
11:11this stuff and they're really in it.
11:13And, and Napalm is, you know, another extremely dedicated team.
11:18So it's great to, to be sort of in a family situation rather than being in a big corporation
11:24where you're just one of, you know, a thousand acts or something.
11:28But now you just mentioned, you know, you know, a little, little band from Germany and
11:31whatnot.
11:32Tell me how your life changed when a little band from Germany all of a sudden gets success
11:36all around the world.
11:39Well, it was never this, this one moment when everything changed.
11:43It was a gradual thing over the years.
11:45I have to say probably the biggest change that ever happened for us or the quickest,
11:49fastest paced stuff was in 1984 when we released Balls to the Wall and we indeed started touring
11:57in the U.S.
11:58and we came to the U.S. market, which was, that was like a huge thing for a German band
12:03to, to be able to play in America, to an American audience, to have an American deal, a worldwide
12:09deal with a major label.
12:10So that was, that was, it seemed huge back then.
12:14And it was, uh, but you know, over the years, there's never been like this overnight sensation
12:20kind of moment.
12:21It was always, you know, step-by-step and very, very, uh, steadfast working on our stuff.
12:29Solid, I would say, but never like, you know, jumping miles ahead one, one day to the next.
12:35Right.
12:35And I, I imagine, you know, being around for, for so long, like you guys have been, I remember
12:39when I was a kid listening to Accept, man, it was like, it was like when, you know, I
12:42mean, Balls to the Wall, I mean, does it get any better than that?
12:44I'm not sure, but it's like, uh, as, as far as like meeting some of these bands at these
12:48festivals, there's bands that you, that you guys play with that you have directly influenced.
12:53Yeah, we do meet them all the time, actually.
12:55And it's, it's, it's still surprising to me a lot of times what, which, which artists and
13:01bands come up to us or to me and tell me, Hey man, when I heard Fast is a
13:05shark, it changed my life.
13:06It's amazing.
13:07And I'm not going to drop any names, but there's some major bands where, or like guys
13:13where I think like, really you too?
13:15Wow.
13:16I mean, that's, you know, they're way bigger than Accept a lot of them, but it's a huge
13:20honor for me, you know, and it shows you that it's, you know, we're all in this together
13:27in a way and everybody steals a little, or like, what stealing is a bad word, but we
13:31all take a little bit from everybody and make it our own, you know, and that's what
13:36we did.
13:36When we grew up, we, we listened to Deep Purple a lot and ACDC and Judas Priest, Uriah Heap
13:44and bands like that.
13:45And I guess out of all those little elements, we, we made it, made our own style.
13:52You know, it's almost like you have these different ingredients and you bake your own
13:55cake out of it, but you couldn't have done it without that.
13:58And without that, so, and that's, that's when I'm, when I hear that, that I influence
14:03other people, that's great.
14:04You know, yeah, it's the way it's supposed to be.
14:07The bands you're talking about, well, I guess the Scorpions were around earlier, but did,
14:11I mean, did, did you have any, I mean, was, were the Scorpions a band you guys kind of
14:14looked up to?
14:14They had some early success here in the States.
14:16They certainly did.
14:18Yeah.
14:18They were the first band to really make it out of Germany and had, had international success.
14:23Definitely.
14:23Yeah.
14:24And we, we, we, we met them, of course, over the years, many times, kind of know them
14:28quite well.
14:29And they've always been huge, uh, influence.
14:33I mean, not musical influence so much, but as far as like the career for a German band,
14:38they were definitely, yeah.
14:40Yeah.
14:40Yeah.
14:40They opened up the world to German rock and roll pretty much.
14:44Well, I don't know, I guess, but it wasn't like the door was wide open and you had to
14:49just walk in.
14:49It wasn't like that either.
14:51No, I heard it.
14:52Fair enough.
14:52It was still, it was still pretty brutal to, I mean, it's not that easy as for a German
14:58band to come into an American market.
15:00It's all saturated with British and American acts.
15:02And all of a sudden there's some Germans, the Germans come in, you know, Germans.
15:09Hey, uh, real fast.
15:10I want to put you on the hot seat.
15:11So what do you think of this, uh, Pantera thing?
15:15Dude, I don't even know what you're talking about.
15:16Honestly, I haven't, I'm not following, I'm not on Facebook.
15:20I don't follow.
15:20You tell me, what is it all about?
15:22So, uh, so, uh, it looks like Rex and Phil are going to reunite and they're going to play
15:27with Zach wild and, uh, Charlie Benante from, uh, Anthrax.
15:31And, um, you know, I don't have a problem with this per se, but I keep reading reports.
15:35They're going to call it Pantera.
15:36And that seems a little bit, I don't know.
15:40Yeah.
15:40Well, I think actually now that you say that, I think my drummer, uh, it was talking about
15:45it, um, the other day.
15:47So, man, I don't know who am I to talk.
15:50I'm the last guy in the original guy in my band.
15:53So, you know, I shouldn't, I guess if let them do what it's a big world.
15:59And if they, they want to do it that way, it's fine by me, but I'm, you know.
16:04Yeah.
16:04I just thought, you know, I don't know the way I look at things.
16:06Like I knew Vinny a little bit.
16:08I met Dime a couple of times and it's like, you know, that band was done.
16:11Now both of them are gone.
16:13You know, you're in a kind of a different situation.
16:14You know what I'm saying?
16:16But, you know, what's the harm on the other hand?
16:20I just think, I just think that like, for me personally, it's like calling it Pantera
16:23seems a little sacrilege.
16:24Like if they were doing a tribute to Pantera, a celebration of Pantera, something like that.
16:28But I don't know.
16:29It's like, I mean, I guess you're just kind of splitting hairs by then.
16:32Yeah.
16:33On the other hand, come on, man.
16:35It's just music.
16:35Again, if people like the music, like the concerts, is it really so important?
16:39I mean, at the end of the day, it's all about the pull that a name has, I guess.
16:44You know, if they were to call it something else, you know, that maybe would sell less tickets.
16:48So it's, that's the motivating factor.
16:51I mean, I don't think anybody means to do, means any harm by anything.
16:55I think it was just doing it, you know, to sell more tickets and to make, get more publicity
17:00that way.
17:01And that's, I guess, in a way, legit.
17:04Were you a fan of Dime?
17:07No, I wasn't so much into that.
17:09No.
17:09No.
17:10So I'm watching Stranger Things.
17:13You've had to talk about this a bunch of times, but that pin that Eddie wears on his vest,
17:17that's, that's really cool.
17:19What pin?
17:20What vest?
17:21What?
17:22What are you talking about?
17:24What is all this obscure stuff that you throw in my way?
17:27I don't know.
17:27What pin at Eddie's vest?
17:29On Stranger Things, on the documentary, on the miniseries on Netflix.
17:34Yeah.
17:34He's got an accept pin.
17:37Really?
17:37Yeah.
17:38I didn't know that.
17:39Oh, yeah.
17:39I know there's a wasp on.
17:41He's got a deal jacket.
17:42Because that show takes, well, the new season takes place in 1986.
17:48Oh, I haven't gotten into that series at all.
17:50So, wow.
17:51Oh, I thought you would have been bombarded.
17:53Are you being sarcastic with me?
17:55No, I'm not, dude.
17:56I live in a, I'm honestly living in my own little bubble.
18:01So I don't really do much social networking at all.
18:06I'm not, don't always follow the latest gossip.
18:09So, you know, you're talking to a little, I don't know, virgin here.
18:15Yeah.
18:15You're probably better off than all of us.
18:17I'll tell you that much.
18:18All right.
18:18Let me throw some things out in here.
18:21You know, I also never read my interviews.
18:23I don't really, I mean, I do a lot of interviews, but I'm not, but I don't have enough time to.
18:29Well, yeah, you've done them.
18:30You know what you said, right?
18:31Not really, but sometimes I see it.
18:33Like yesterday, Andy Sneed was, I said something about not being a German robot or something.
18:38He forwarded it to me and dah, dah, dah.
18:40And I couldn't even remember.
18:42Did I really say that?
18:44Whatever.
18:44But I don't read all that stuff after the fact.
18:46I can't be bothered.
18:47Yeah, I know.
18:48It's like, I mean, you know, back in the day, the, the, the rock aggregates were like hit parader and cream and, you know, whatever else.
18:54And now the things turn around in a day.
18:57It's weird.
18:57Oh, totally.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Yeah.
19:00Because before you do an interview and you wouldn't see it for like three or four weeks, probably.
19:03Right.
19:04If you were reading.
19:05Back then.
19:05Yeah.
19:06Oh, you know, sometimes we had to do interviews and pretend it was after the tour and the tour hadn't even started.
19:12Because the, the, the, the, the, the, the advance was so far in it.
19:17I mean, we had to do interviews like four months in advance, you know, before the album was even finished.
19:22We had to talk about what a great album it is.
19:24So it was a little, it was.
19:26Do you have any of those old magazines saved up anywhere with circus and hit parader and all that stuff?
19:31No, no, no, no, no.
19:34I can't remember reading those as a kid.
19:36All right.
19:36I'm going to fire off some things here at you real fast and we'll let you go.
19:39Where's the weirdest place?
19:40It's going to be embarrassing or what?
19:41Oh, no, no, no.
19:42Where's the weirdest place you've heard one of your songs?
19:48Weirdest place.
19:49God, don't put me on the spot like that.
19:54Never at like an Applebee's or something.
19:58No, I mean, sometimes in the cab you hear, I mean, on the way to the concert, sometimes they play our songs and stuff.
20:04But honestly, there hasn't been, need to think about that.
20:06Sorry.
20:07All right.
20:08All right.
20:08Next question.
20:09How many other bands or have you ever auditioned for another band?
20:13Never have.
20:14No, really?
20:15Never have.
20:16I've never been in any other band since 1976.
20:20Right.
20:20I thought that maybe you might have snuck out here and there, maybe in the late 90s or something, looking for something or no?
20:26No.
20:26No, back then I made the decision to just sort of withdraw from the music business altogether because I was, again, back then I was the last surviving guy.
20:34Everybody had left the band, basically.
20:36And I thought, well, maybe time's up and time to do something else.
20:40But I've never auditioned for anybody, at least not that I remember.
20:45Maybe like a neighborhood band before, except I did that, of course.
20:49Right, yeah.
20:50How much of your leaving the music business was kind of associated with what was going on in the music at the time with the grunge scene?
20:59Well, then it played a role because times weren't good for heavy metal back then.
21:03You know, there was no market or the market was dwindling and it seemed to me the best days were over and maybe it's time to move on, basically.
21:13And this was, I was living in the States back then and parallel to that in Europe, all these festivals that we were talking about started to happen unbeknownst to me.
21:22So, you know, thank God for that because they kept it all alive and they kept it, you know, from dying out, which is great.
21:30You know, so the renewed interest in metal is in big parts of it to Europe because now everybody goes to Europe to tour.
21:38Back in the 80s, everybody came to America to tour.
21:40Yeah.
21:41That's the opposite of what it used to be.
21:43It's kind of cool to see how some bands have really persevered and are now as big or bigger than they were back in the day.
21:49Yeah, and I think we're almost bigger than we ever were back in the day, which is awesome.
21:54You know, I think we're having more success.
21:57But I think we also, as a band, we're up better, but I think we're doing great, man.
22:04I mean, we make great albums.
22:05We do fantastic shows.
22:07So I think things are better than ever.
22:09Yeah, by the way, December, I think it's, I'm sorry, not December, October 15th, they'll be here in Detroit.
22:13So looking forward to coming out there and seeing you guys.
22:16All right, two more things here real fast.
22:18Have you ever had like a really fun like jam session?
22:21Have you ever been able to join any other bands on stage?
22:23No, but who came out to us?
22:27Phil El Salmo came out and played with us once.
22:30He came out to us.
22:31I've never been the sort of the jam sitting guy and jump on stage with other people.
22:37Never even done that in my life.
22:39All right.
22:40Last thing here for you.
22:40Since my daughter turns 21 this weekend and my daughter is a, your typical female country music fan.
22:47Of course, we're going to Nashville.
22:49Now, I've been in Nashville four times since the pandemic.
22:51Kid Rock is one of my buddies and lives outside the, lives outside the city there.
22:55So where's one place that I should take my daughter?
22:59Oh, not to Broadway.
23:01That's the, that's where she wants to go.
23:02But give me someplace else that you'd take her.
23:06Uh, take her to the place that a lot of people like to go to.
23:12What is that?
23:12The Loveless Cafe.
23:13It's in the middle of nowhere that supposedly have the best breakfast in the world or something.
23:18All right.
23:18The Loveless Cafe.
23:20I got to write this down because I'll forget.
23:22But yeah, I've been down there so many times.
23:23You know, uh, I've been down there so many times and I've never gone to Lynchburg and I didn't realize it was only an hour.
23:28Lynchburg is cool, but it's quite a, quite a hike from Nashville.
23:31It's like a two, three hour drive.
23:33Well, I'll be coming in from eight hours anyways, driving down there.
23:36So yeah.
23:36Maybe you should go.
23:37It's fun.
23:38That's a cool place.
23:39I've been there a bunch of times.
23:40I'm a big Jack Daniels fan.
23:41So I got to get down there and see what it's all about.
23:44So, well, we'll thank, thank you so much for your time.
23:47Uh, good luck with everything over in Europe and of course here in the States and we'll see you in the fall here in Detroit.
23:52Can't wait, my man.
23:53It was fun talking with you.