Linkin Park helped welcome Kevin Ryder back to KROQ as Mike Shinoda and Emily Armstrong surprised him on-air during his new afternoon show.
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00:00What's up KROQ fans and listeners? I'm Mike. I'm Emily. And our good friend Kevin
00:06is back on the station. And we thought that it'd be cool and honestly shocking
00:13for him to surprise him on the job. He doesn't know that we're coming. So, yeah.
00:19So, we're gonna go wreak a little havoc. You ready?
00:23It's so exciting. I've never done this before. Oh my god. I've never done this. Why am I stretching?
00:28I feel like I'm going on stage. We have your chance to win tickets to Disneyland
00:32after dark Star Wars night.
00:38What the hell is going on?
00:43Excuse me, sir. Mike Shinoda. What do you think you're doing?
00:47What's happening? You scared the crap out of me.
00:52I heard you don't like surprises. I love surprises, actually.
00:55Hi.
00:59How you doing, man?
00:59Hi.
01:01That was weird.
01:02I'm sure the people at home are very confused.
01:04I'm sure they are, yeah.
01:05I'm going to introduce you to my friend.
01:06Listen, we'll play music again. Don't worry about that.
01:09Hi.
01:09It'll happen.
01:10Hi.
01:10How are you?
01:11I'm good.
01:12What are you doing here?
01:13Hi.
01:14Kevin, this is Emily.
01:15Hi, Emily.
01:16How are you?
01:17I'm great. You?
01:18Good. It's good to meet you.
01:19You too.
01:20Wow.
01:21Wow.
01:23I'm sure people listening are like, what is even happening right now?
01:26Probably, but I make mistakes all the time, so they probably are used to it.
01:31It probably doesn't bother them.
01:33So how are you guys?
01:35They're probably just like, they're like, oh, is this how the show is going to be from now on?
01:39This again.
01:39This is the new, this is the thing.
01:40This guy doesn't know how to run anything.
01:42Oh, wait.
01:43Wait, they're talking about me.
01:44Wait, I'm sinking slowly in this chair.
01:46You are.
01:46Oh, that chair's going down, yeah.
01:47These chairs are really, really shaky.
01:50So this is the status of this room now.
01:52It's like, this is, people can't, they can't see it.
01:56We're losing you, Mike.
01:57You guys are going to have to watch the video for this later.
01:59Mike is sitting on the floor.
02:01This chair started off 18 inches higher than, I got a great edge of a chair.
02:06That's what she said.
02:08All right.
02:08Try that one.
02:09Hey.
02:09Okay.
02:10All right.
02:10Good.
02:11Mike Shinoda.
02:12Hi.
02:13Emily.
02:14Hi.
02:14Hi.
02:15Hi.
02:15Hey, we're, we're, we're on the radio in the afternoon.
02:18Yes, you are.
02:19Yeah.
02:19With you.
02:20Full time?
02:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:22We're, we're, we're, we're your new co-hosts.
02:24Yeah.
02:24We're just going to do this together every day.
02:26Excellent.
02:26Yeah.
02:27We know we were in the neighborhood and we, we wanted to stop in and say hi.
02:32Congratulate you on the new, the new gig.
02:37The new gig that's an old gig.
02:38It's an old gig.
02:39Yeah.
02:39Yeah.
02:40This is so bizarre.
02:41It's super weird.
02:42It is super weird.
02:43And Emily, I've never met you.
02:46I'm happy to meet you.
02:47Yeah.
02:47You too.
02:48Tell me about being in this band.
02:50Well, um, we get to do really cool surprises into, um, really cool radio stations.
02:57So life is pretty good.
02:59That alarm thing that you had on your-
03:01That scared me too, to be honest.
03:02Yeah.
03:02I didn't, I didn't.
03:03That wasn't my doing.
03:04That freaked me out.
03:05That it was handed to me by, by a minion.
03:07Oh no, it's great.
03:08Yeah.
03:09K-Rock minion handed it to me.
03:10It's great.
03:11It needed to be, it needed to happen because it was frightening.
03:15You were like, what the fuck?
03:16That's what you were going.
03:18You got to bleep me.
03:19Yeah.
03:19I don't think you can say that.
03:20Oh, my bad.
03:21You should know that.
03:22Yeah.
03:23It's been a minute.
03:24It has been.
03:25It's been a minute since I needed to be bleeped.
03:27Um, yeah.
03:29Tell me how you've been.
03:30We're good.
03:30I'm good.
03:31We're good.
03:32I think.
03:32We're good.
03:32We're, we're, we're in, uh, I mean, we're in town because we're in between, we're actually
03:38about to leave to go start our U.S. tour.
03:41Do some rehearsals tomorrow?
03:43Yeah.
03:43We're doing, doing, uh, rehearsals until first show is in Austin and then we're headed out
03:48to different places.
03:48How many, um, rehearsals do you do before you go out on a tour?
03:52I mean, it depends on how many new, how much new material or how many changes, right?
03:57Right.
03:57So before.
03:59So when you have a new album, I'm sure you do a lot more.
04:01Yeah.
04:01I mean, we've been playing, we've been playing a, a two hour set on this, on this run.
04:07And, um, like we've been playing, I don't know, like how many new songs?
04:13It's probably six-ish.
04:13I don't know now.
04:14I mean, we're practicing five more or three more.
04:18Oh yeah.
04:18That's right.
04:18No.
04:19Like, yeah.
04:19No, no, no, that's right.
04:20How do you guys not know how many more new songs you're doing?
04:23I mean, it depends on how you look at it as new.
04:26We've got.
04:26Oh, I see.
04:27Um, but we are, yeah.
04:29So, so, you know, we're, we, we play the hits and then we add in some other stuff that
04:33we've, that we like.
04:34And we add in some new stuff that we haven't played before the future hits.
04:38I've always wanted to ask somebody this.
04:41Have you ever, because you've been around for a while, have you ever had a song that
04:45you love that doesn't get good response?
04:48And you, and you're pissed because you're like, I love that song.
04:51Why isn't it resonating?
04:52I mean, with, with, in, in our band, luckily we have, we get to play long enough that we
04:58can do that.
04:59We can add those songs.
04:59You can play those songs and they'll sit and they'll wait.
05:02Yeah.
05:02Yeah.
05:03I feel like on the neck, on the, remember when we were, I'm talking to Em, remember when
05:07we did the, um, when we were putting together the set lists for this run, we were like
05:12trying to pick your brain and Colin's brain about which, I don't remember what songs you
05:17were like, oh, we have to play these.
05:19Uh, Greed, what is it?
05:21Lies, Greed, Misery was on, that's on our to-do list.
05:24That's on our to-do list.
05:24That's the one.
05:25I just feel like it would be so cool live.
05:27We're not playing that.
05:28Sorry.
05:28We're getting around, we'll get around to it.
05:30I need, I need people to back me up on that one.
05:32Yeah.
05:33The, there was that.
05:34And then I remember Colin was a big, like, well, he's like, I don't care as long as
05:38Somewhere I Belong is in the set.
05:40I was like, oh, like that's, it's not, it's not using the band.
05:42It was never, that was never like a top, top five for the band, for the band.
05:47And now it is.
05:50And now it is.
05:50That's crazy, really?
05:52Yeah.
05:52Oh, wow.
05:53If we had to play a set of just five songs, Somewhere I Belong wouldn't have made it.
05:58Oh.
05:58But Colin was.
06:00I wonder why that is.
06:01Yeah.
06:01I don't know.
06:02But yeah, to your point, it's kind of the other way around, like looking at it the other
06:05way around, like we have songs on the set we put in the set because we love them.
06:08And even though they're not big songs.
06:10Right.
06:11I mean, by Linkin Park standards, they're not.
06:13Right.
06:14It's, you know, we put them in because we love it.
06:17Love them.
06:18And Em, what's it like trying to be a part of this band with such a history, with such
06:22a huge lead singer's shoes to fill?
06:26I'm sorry to ask you that again.
06:28I mean, key word, you said try, you know?
06:31What's it like trying?
06:33I was like, just got to try.
06:34Just got to show up.
06:35When you started, were you scared out of your mind?
06:37Of course.
06:38Yeah.
06:38Absolutely.
06:39There's still things that scare me, you know?
06:43But for the most part, I've gotten a good grip on it.
06:46That's good.
06:46And having a lot of fun.
06:47Yeah.
06:47And she's gotten such, I mean, first of all, you put in the work and the fans like know
06:53that and they respect it.
06:54And they, you've always had a good presence online where your fans and you stay in tune.
07:00And so you've got a rabid fan base that is happy to welcome her because you were.
07:05But I think it could have been the other, I couldn't have, you know, they, people could
07:08have been nasty or whatever.
07:10And they're not like, they, they really have been so supportive and I don't know.
07:15They're, I feel like they're in the, in the last five, six, seven years, their, their
07:22meme game has gotten really good.
07:24Yeah.
07:24They got all the, they got all the memes now.
07:28Right.
07:28The Emily memes are strong.
07:30Do you have a good sense of humor about that?
07:34Oh, I love it.
07:35Yeah.
07:35I think she does.
07:36Yeah.
07:37There's been a couple of times where I don't, I mean, I don't have any examples, but I feel
07:40like there's been a couple of times where I was like, oh, this thing could land weird
07:45or like, I don't know how I would feel about this joke.
07:48Sometimes it's like, you know, one of us says something about the other one.
07:52Like, like I'll say something about Dave and I'll be like, oh, maybe that's like comes
07:56off weird.
07:57Right.
07:57It is strange to have to think how it's going to come off when you didn't mean it.
08:01Yeah.
08:02Insulting.
08:03Right.
08:03But yeah, to, I think Em's got like such a good sense of humor about that stuff.
08:07Like she's.
08:08I definitely don't, don't go looking for it, but I have it from friends and you know,
08:12obviously the band and stuff send me stuff and I, it's just hilarious.
08:16Yeah.
08:17So I appreciate it.
08:18You must, you must have thick skin.
08:19I'm really happy.
08:20There's also like, like some of it is just really genuinely so funny.
08:24Like a lot of it is like, um, like, like there's like drawings and anime and then they
08:29take other memes and like put us in them and it's great.
08:32It's great.
08:32Yeah.
08:33But you're very artistic and you, and you have brought out sort of that side of your
08:37fans as well.
08:38Hmm.
08:39You do stuff, you put stuff out that they can take and change and remake.
08:44And yeah, that's true.
08:45That's true.
08:45I think.
08:47Uh, more than most bands, I would guess.
08:49Well, I mean.
08:49Good point.
08:50You know, Joe and I both like, we like met in art school.
08:52So that's probably nerd.
08:54What a nerd, man.
08:56It's so crazy to see you here.
08:59Dummies.
08:59Mike, Shinoda and Emily are here live.
09:02I did not know what was going to happen.
09:04As a, as a, as like a, a, a radio personality, a professional in the radio.
09:11Am I a professional?
09:12You're a legend in the business.
09:14And normally I assume, I think I know this, but I assume that there's a, a,
09:22a, a, a, like a routine of preparation that one would do before somebody comes in.
09:29Of course.
09:29And we are catching you with none of that.
09:32Of course.
09:32Yes.
09:32That is very true.
09:34Yes.
09:34Like all you guys.
09:35Yes.
09:35Because, yes.
09:36Because I want to not embarrass you guys or us.
09:40So I would have questions and everything else, but.
09:43You don't get that.
09:44You did this on purpose.
09:45Yeah.
09:45Son of a bitch.
09:46A hundred percent.
09:47A hundred percent.
09:47Wow.
09:47We're all professionals here.
09:49Yeah.
09:49Are we?
09:49I just want to, I just want people to know just, just,
09:52Oh, well, look at this.
09:53Questions.
09:54Well, yeah.
09:55If you want them.
09:56You just came in with some paperwork of questions.
09:58If you want to do some prep during the next song or something.
10:01Latest album from zero.
10:02Haven't heard it.
10:03Is it good?
10:06Stuff like, yeah, that's the thing you want to avoid, right?
10:08Right.
10:09The stuff that you're like, Oh, like, yeah.
10:11Other, everyone knows this, but I didn't know it.
10:13Yes.
10:13Yes, exactly.
10:14Those are the sound bites that usually get clipped from your shows.
10:17And then other people press the little, the little sampler button during your show.
10:21And it happens over top of you talking.
10:23Yes.
10:23Unfortunately, that does happen.
10:24Yeah.
10:25You're playing locally soon.
10:26We're not.
10:27The LA show isn't until September.
10:30What is it?
10:30September 13th.
10:31Oh, okay.
10:32Yeah.
10:32So we're playing Intuit, Dome, Intuit, Dome.
10:35I think it's Intuit, Dome, yeah.
10:36Are you, Joe always says, every time I mention it, he's like, are you into it?
10:42Don't encourage that.
10:43This is Joe's job.
10:44Don't encourage that.
10:44Those are called jokes.
10:46He's always with us.
10:47Yeah.
10:50But you're going this summer.
10:51You said you're doing festivals?
10:52Yeah, we're playing.
10:53Festivals?
10:53This is the most aggressive, the most, like, the most shows we've played in a year's amount
10:59of time in many, many, in like, definitely over a decade, maybe 20 years.
11:05Like, I don't know.
11:05We're playing a lot of shows.
11:08Why?
11:09It's all Emily's fault.
11:10Yeah, I was going to say, why?
11:11I was like, more, more, more.
11:13It's all that young energy.
11:15She's like, let's play more shows.
11:17Just give yourself a little time off.
11:19We're just like, oh my God, this is going to be hard.
11:22Which of you likes to tour the most in the band?
11:26I don't know.
11:28Emily.
11:29I think it's a draw between Colin and I.
11:31Yeah, that's probably true.
11:32What do you like about it?
11:35Just the rush?
11:37Of course.
11:38Yeah, actually being on stage, yeah.
11:40And just seeing the fans in person is, it's so, so rewarding.
11:46And especially with the new songs, too.
11:47And having them, you know, hearing it live, having them sing it back.
11:50It's so, again, rewarding.
11:53But also being in different places all the time, getting to travel, is one of my favorite things.
11:58Do you get to spend any time doing anything other than doing shows?
12:02No.
12:03No, I'm kidding.
12:05Yeah, we play pickleball.
12:08Who's the best at pickleball?
12:09Me, of course.
12:10Of course.
12:11I agree.
12:13I agree.
12:14Dave.
12:14No argument there.
12:15Dave is better.
12:16We do have a couple ringers on the crew, too.
12:19Like, yeah.
12:21But, yeah, and probably in the band.
12:23I think Em and Dave.
12:24I don't want to play against Em and Dave, that's for sure.
12:27Because they'll embarrass you on the pickleball court?
12:29It's easy to embarrass me doing anything.
12:32I mean, so that's...
12:33You're not that easily embarrassed.
12:34But, well, not on the outside.
12:38I'm crying on the inside.
12:39I'm crying on the inside.
12:40You know, it's funny, you were talking about the things that you enjoy on the road, too.
12:46I was thinking about how there's these weird little nuances, too.
12:52Em was talking about just being on the bus or just enjoying getting up in the morning
13:01and getting a breakfast or a cup of coffee or tea in the town.
13:05That seems like that might be a drag.
13:07No, man.
13:08It's the best.
13:09It's, like, just not knowing, like, what the local, like, culture is.
13:16Right.
13:16And just, like, we're going to, like, a bunch of cities on this run that we haven't been
13:20to in a really long time.
13:23Like, it's, like, Omaha and Grand Rapids and Baltimore.
13:26Like, I don't know when the last time we went to Baltimore is.
13:29Right.
13:31And...
13:31Do you have local people there that tell you this is the spot to go?
13:35This is where to get the coffee?
13:36This is where to...
13:37Even, there's that.
13:38There's also, like, you know, I mean, we look stuff up online, but there's also, like,
13:41our certain people from the crew may have just been there with a different artist before
13:46they came on for this tour cycle with us.
13:48And they're, oh, yeah, you know, like, like Jerome was saying the other day, our tour manager
13:52was saying, like, oh, yeah, when we go to this place, like, I stayed at this hotel.
13:55It's really nice.
13:56Like, this is my favorite spot.
13:58And then...
13:58And they prank you, and you go, this is supposed to be the best hotel.
14:02This is...
14:02Trust me, guys.
14:04Trust me.
14:05You're gonna love this hotel.
14:08It has to go on a lot, I would imagine.
14:11I would love that, actually.
14:13You would love it if somebody pranked you like that.
14:15I mean, it'd be...
14:16It's pretty extreme.
14:18I can't imagine somebody doing it.
14:20Am I allowed to ask you personal questions?
14:22I mean, maybe.
14:23Depends on what it is.
14:24I'll just ask, and then you can not answer if you don't want to.
14:26Okay.
14:27Do the kids come with you?
14:28Oh, sometimes.
14:30Okay.
14:31Sometimes.
14:31They can't...
14:32I mean, the different guys in the band have...
14:35The kids are different ages, but they're close.
14:38And, like, I think for some of us, like, the amount of time away from school is a problem.
14:47Sure.
14:47Right?
14:47Like, anybody, any teacher will tell you, like, there's a real disconnect.
14:52Even if they're Zooming, even if they join things with Zoom, or if they, like, do homework remotely, it's, like, not the same as being there.
14:59Right.
15:00Of course.
15:01So, there's that.
15:02But, you know, what was funny, I was just talking earlier today to somebody about how, like, we've toured with other bands, our seniors, like Metallica, for example.
15:11Right.
15:11Who, like, we learned things from them, and, like, kind of patterned some of our tour, the way we do things on tour, after, like, older bands.
15:21People who've been doing it.
15:22People who've been there, right?
15:22Yeah.
15:23Yeah.
15:23So, we got to do that, and hopefully, we get to pass it down to other bands.
15:27Can I tell a funny story about you?
15:29Sure.
15:30His son was one, and he thought that he was going to be able to make a birthday cake that didn't have any sugar in it.
15:37And he was going to give him a birthday cake with no sugar.
15:40And he had a sugar cake as a backup, but he wasn't going to tell his one-year-old.
15:46And he put this cake in front of the one-year-old, and he started screaming, bloody murder, get rid of it.
15:54And they brought in the cake with sugar in it immediately.
15:57He knew immediately.
15:59Yeah, they're like, we're just joking.
16:01From, like, just looked at it and said, that's a BS cake.
16:05I like that you tried it, though.
16:07You tried it.
16:08You didn't tell him, you didn't give him any heads up.
16:10You just put it out, like, this is your birthday cake.
16:13And he was like, nope.
16:14World's worst prank.
16:16No, thank you.
16:17Well, you guys, thank you for coming in.
16:18This is great.
16:19Can I keep going?
16:21Yeah, play it from the bottom, which is next.
16:24Oh, we get to play the new song.
16:26Yeah, I messed with this.
16:29Oh, you did?
16:29Okay.
16:29Yeah, I just deleted a bunch of stuff so I could play the ID, because I was supposed to.
16:34Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
16:35Or I could just sing it.
16:36Well, I'll tell you what, Kevin, why don't you talk to him for, like, another 30 seconds?
16:39All right.
16:39I'll go in the room.
16:39I need to find the key.
16:40Here's what we'll do.
16:41Here's what we'll do.
16:41We'll play the single.
16:42We'll, you know, we'll take a beat.
16:45All right.
16:45We'll come up with a plan, and we'll keep going.
16:47Okay.
16:47All right, cool.
16:47I love it.
16:48Give me, like, 30 more seconds, and then you'll have it ready.
16:51Mike, what are you looking forward to the most for this next run, the next few weeks here?
16:59Being in a bus.
17:00Being in a bus.
17:01You really like that part.
17:02I really do.
17:03It feels like that would be claustrophobic and maybe boring.
17:10No?
17:10No.
17:11I mean, especially in the U.S., I specifically like to be in a bus with the long drives.
17:18I don't know.
17:19There's something more, I don't know, romantic about it.
17:21Just, you know, the long drives and, I don't know.
17:26You're in a band.
17:27I don't know.
17:27It feels like we're in the 70s.
17:28It's that movie.
17:30Almost famous, man.
17:32It's like that, yeah, that poetic, like, I don't know.
17:37It's the camaraderie.
17:39Well, I mean, yeah.
17:40I love that.
17:41I love it so much.
17:42Dude, it's been a minute since our band has been in a bus together.
17:47Yeah.
17:47It's been a minute.
17:48So we're trying it out.
17:49We were, yeah, we were doing, we were doing kind of like a Planes, Trains, and Automobiles thing for a while.
17:57That's generally how we've, how...
17:59It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
18:01Yeah.
18:01So we'd be, it'd be like stay at the hotel in one city, take a car to the airport, fly to the other city to play the show, car to the show, do that.
18:11And we'd be in the car going back to the airport before the fans even left the venue.
18:15Like we were...
18:16Wow.
18:16It was, yeah, it was a well-oiled machine.
18:19And that machine didn't include buses in most cases.
18:24Gotcha.
18:24So I'm actually very, I'm very excited to do this because it's, yeah, there's something, there's something cool about the band in a bus thing.
18:33Yeah, that makes sense.
18:34Miles, their song is not up.
18:35I don't know what you want me to do.
18:37And if it all goes to hell, it's all my fault.
18:40Well, yeah.
18:40I can blame it on you.
18:41You could check in with us.
18:42Yeah, but it's okay.
18:42You could, I'm entirely prepared that like somebody or even me would be like, you know, that was a really good thing to try.
18:54I'm glad we tried that.
18:56It was a good effort.
18:57You guys are welcome to continue going on the bus.
19:00Right.
19:01I'm going to do something different.
19:04It's this guy right here.
19:05It's this one right here.
19:07So we can just load that in.
19:09Talking right into the mic.
19:10You know that, right?
19:11Hey, everybody.
19:11How we doing?
19:12Sorry.
19:13This is live radio.
19:15And wow.
19:16Why is it not show?
19:17Oh, it's because we're up here.
19:18Did you guys not know that they were coming?
19:20Well, we didn't.
19:21This is a plan.
19:22It's right there.
19:23Up from the bottom.
19:23It's right there.
19:24Right there.
19:25Right there.
19:25Can we play that?
19:26Just as I had planned.
19:28Put it over there.
19:30Do I load it over here?
19:32Yes.
19:32Can I do it like right there?
19:34Yes.
19:34Maybe.
19:34Hold on.
19:35Hold on.
19:35Here we go.
19:36This is the most chaotic radio visit of all time.
19:39It is so far.
19:40Linkin Park.
19:41New song up from the bottom.
19:43Here first.
19:45Cape Rock.
19:47That was not going to say that.
19:49What happened?
19:50Was the mic on?
19:51Oh, man.
19:52Check one, two.
19:53Oh, my goodness.
19:54Emily?
19:55Mike?
19:56Hi.
19:56Hi.
19:57We're back.
19:57We're back.
19:58We're back in the studio.
19:59This is a surprise.
20:00I did not see this coming, but you guys are doing some rehearsals, getting ready to tour.
20:05Yes.
20:05And you're doing, what are you doing this summer?
20:07You're doing your own shows or you're doing festivals or both?
20:10It's pretty, it's, yeah, we're doing both, but it's almost all, it's a lot of, of headlines.
20:16Our shows.
20:17Of your own shows.
20:18Our own shows, yeah.
20:19Do you like playing festivals at all anymore?
20:21I mean, is it, is there a challenge in trying to win people over that don't know you yet?
20:28We've only played one so far with this new lineup, so it's hard to assess, but I would
20:35say yes.
20:37I'm just going to look into the future and say yes, because I've always just loved,
20:41I just love playing festivals in general.
20:43So, yeah, I'm going to say yeah.
20:46We were, we were talking about that, you remember we were talking about that a while back, like
20:49we haven't played, we've only played the one, but we've got a few coming up and there's
20:53definitely a little bit of like, whenever you're doing that, you're playing for other
20:57people's fans in some cases, or even like, even with our band, like people that know about
21:04the band, but don't really know the band.
21:06So you totally have an opportunity to like win people over.
21:09I'm focused on that a lot when we're playing those shows.
21:11How long has it been since you opened for people?
21:15Opened?
21:15Yeah.
21:16Meaning like, most of the fans are not there to see you.
21:20Are you trying to make me sound like a dinosaur?
21:21No, no, no.
21:21Like, what is happening?
21:23I'm just saying that the opposite of that, which is winning people over, you have to win
21:27almost everyone over when you're opening for another band.
21:29I mean, look.
21:30Like a year and a half ago?
21:31Yeah.
21:32Winning people over.
21:33We were opening, in a sense, we were opening for like an invisible, like, headliner, a no,
21:39like, you know what I'm saying?
21:40Like, we were playing our first shows in, when we, when we played the, um, that like
21:45launch show that we live streamed, it was like, nobody knew the band was coming back.
21:49Nobody knew about Emily.
21:52Like that for me was that same feeling where you're like, okay, we have stuff to prove
21:57right now.
21:57Right.
21:58I can see that.
21:58Of course that makes sense.
22:00That was a similar feeling.
22:00It was different, but it was similar.
22:02No, I can totally see that.
22:03And you must have just been frightened.
22:06Yeah.
22:06And you did so well.
22:08You really did.
22:09It was like, wow.
22:10This is great.
22:12How, I'm sorry to go back and ask questions that you've already answered a million times,
22:16but how did you two get together and figure this out?
22:20It was actually back in, uh, 2019 when he just hit me up to do some writing.
22:26Um, and you know, I didn't think it was going to be anything, you know, Lincoln Park related.
22:32And even at the time it wasn't at all.
22:34It was just kind of just writing, you know, and at the time, what songs were you writing?
22:39What was it for Lincoln Park or for Fort Biner for anything else?
22:43No, just to, just to write, just to write songs.
22:45Yeah.
22:45I mean, I was doing some writing at the time.
22:47I was working with other people and of course he's always working with people.
22:51Yeah.
22:51I feel like.
22:51Well, I was, I was.
22:52And at the time you were, yeah, now, yeah, yeah.
22:54Of course you're timing.
22:55But, um, yeah.
22:57And we, we wrote a few things and then, you know, timing wasn't really there.
23:02You know, I was doing other things, he was doing other things.
23:04And then it wasn't until, um, was it 23?
23:07Probably.
23:082023.
23:08Yeah.
23:09And, um, you hit me up for something else and that didn't really happen.
23:13I think it was like for some, remember you were going to be doing some live stuff.
23:17Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:18Yeah.
23:18Well, I mean, I think, I think like it was, it was definitely at that point, like we were starting
23:23to talk, um, Joe and Dave and I were starting to talk and then, and, and we got a little
23:30more serious about like, let's do more sessions with people and let's keep it really open-ended.
23:34Let's not like say they're Lincoln Park sessions.
23:36Let's just do sessions and see what happens.
23:40Um.
23:40Because in a lot of ways that pressure of being Lincoln Park is crushing.
23:46Dave said, but Dave said it like really well.
23:49He, he, at the time, he was like, if you were like, if you were single and trying to
23:54meet people and like, you wouldn't go to the, go to the bar and be like, I need to find
23:58someone to marry.
23:59Like that'd be crazy.
24:01It's true.
24:01You'd be an idiot.
24:02Right?
24:02It's true.
24:03So you're going to go and you're going to like, see if you have chemistry and like,
24:06what's the, what's the vibe.
24:08So that's how kind of how we approached it.
24:11It was more like, let's get in the room and just do stuff and see who we enjoy like hanging
24:17out with.
24:18Let me ask you another personal question.
24:20And that's, did you watch her closely when she got upset?
24:24And did you watch him closely when he got upset to see like during the hard times, this
24:28might be difficult.
24:30I mean, we, I feel like we didn't have very many like upset.
24:34It's still coming.
24:37Um, yeah, we didn't really, I mean, I feel like there was just like a lot of hard questions,
24:43you know, of like, are you going to want to, you know, do this and stuff like that.
24:48So I feel like that was the most important thing.
24:53So there wasn't really room for.
24:55And was the question, do you really want to do this, the full Lincoln park thing?
25:00Or was it just, do you want to do something?
25:03At the point, like when they did ask me, it was very clear that it was what we were making
25:09was Lincoln park.
25:11It was, it just sounded like it.
25:13It just, it's just what was happening.
25:16And it was evident.
25:17Did you help write the songs or did you write the songs, Mike, for, for Lincoln park?
25:22I wrote all the songs.
25:23Emily, Emily is the mastermind.
25:25Sweet.
25:25That's great news for you.
25:27It's so good.
25:28It's really nice.
25:29I just get to, it's a vacation now.
25:31You just show up.
25:32I just, I barely show up.
25:33I just have to be there for the shows.
25:36She's a really good writer.
25:38You're welcome.
25:39Yeah.
25:40No, it's like, it's like, you know, we have a very, I've been told that we have a very
25:45specific like way that we do things.
25:48Like it's, it's unique the way we write, the way things like get, come into being on our
25:55records.
25:56And, um, I, that's always the most fascinating part to me is how do you, how you go from no
26:02song to a song.
26:03Yeah.
26:03Is, is it all different?
26:05It can be.
26:06Like we, I feel like we, the way I, I, I approach it with like, just I, as we make albums, I
26:13get more tools in the toolbox.
26:16Like I get, I get new ways to crack different, like create solutions to different songwriting
26:21problems.
26:21And getting in the room with Colin and Emily, I felt like, Oh, the, these, first of all,
26:26they're good, really good at, at this and they're good at specific things that I'm not,
26:32maybe not great at.
26:33And so when we get together, it's fun because the people have different strengths and weaknesses.
26:40And then, um, the whole band, it's not as simple as like a simple example.
26:46It's not as simple as like, who's going to write the word, right?
26:50Who's going to write the words of the verse.
26:51It's, it's like, I use Joe's example a lot because his suggestion might not have anything
26:57to do with what the words are, or it might be, have nothing to do with melody, but he'll
27:01say something like, um, about the symbolism or say something like very, almost like vague.
27:10And then it influences what ends up being the words, right?
27:15And you're like, Oh, it's, he did something, he said something and it made me act a certain
27:20way or think a certain way.
27:21And without his input, you wouldn't.
27:22Yeah.
27:22So that's, it's very, it's very, it's mysterious.
27:26Like you were saying, like it is, it's hard to describe.
27:29And, and yeah, like everybody participates when, when we're in the room, like everybody's.
27:34Like when you did that song with, uh, was it Cypress Hill?
27:37You did a song where they took your chorus, I think, and they, I did a song with that.
27:43It was a total like beat, B side.
27:45Like, I don't know if it's the one you're thinking of.
27:47I think it is.
27:48I think it's the only one that I know, but I'm just saying like that kind of thing you
27:52write by yourself and.
27:54Oh yeah.
27:55So when I've written and produced to other people, yeah, it's very, it's very much like
27:58a more traditional, like write a song, produce a song, like here are my ideas type of thing.
28:02And with our band, it's not right.
28:04It's very, everybody gets to have a thing.
28:06And I'm still, I'm still looking forward to like, now we're just getting to this point
28:09where we're more familiar with each other now than we were when we were doing this record.
28:14Like when we were doing this record, the, we were making the record while we were like
28:17making the band.
28:18Right.
28:18So now it's like, I feel like I'm hearing, I get a little more sense of like hearing
28:22personal stories and just knowing the people.
28:25And we all, we all, there's like, it's more, I don't know.
28:29It's more like a family.
28:30But we do, we know each other a little better than we did and hopefully we'll continue to
28:35get to know each other more.
28:36And those things, those things influence the stuff you write.
28:41Yeah.
28:41That makes sense.
28:42That's why we're riding a bus.
28:44Yeah.
28:44That's why you're riding a bus.
28:45Yeah.
28:46Mike's going to ride one leg of a bus.
28:47That's it.
28:48He's going to ride one leg of the bus and then he's going to go.
28:51Maybe hit like two or three cities.
28:53I would rather ride a bike than be around these people.
29:00Mike Shinoda is going to ride a bike on tour.
29:02Yeah.
29:03You guys are the best and I love that you surprised me today.
29:05This makes me very happy.
29:07You're the best.
29:08Uncomfortable, but happy.
29:11Because I was not expecting it.
29:12But Mike, thank you for coming and Emily, thank you for coming and best of luck and we'll
29:16see you, let's see, when is it?
29:18The show is at the Intuadome September 13th.
29:21That's right.
29:22Yeah.
29:22Why are you trying to help him?
29:24He's the, he knows what he's doing.
29:25He doesn't know anything.
29:28He's the boss.
29:29He needs to get rid of a bunch of music so that he can play some commercials, which everybody
29:32loves.
29:32Oh, yes.
29:33Finally.
29:34Right?
29:34Your favorite.
29:35Non-stop commercials.
29:36Everybody's wanting to listen to it.
29:38Sorry about that, but we've been talking.
29:40So instead of playing music, let's see.
29:44Here we go.
29:44Guys, thanks for coming in.
29:48That's how it started.