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00:00Immaculate timing, immaculate timing for the champ over there.
00:07Right there, how have you been?
00:09OK, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to do an interview with Julius, principally about his fight with Mike Tyson.
00:16Shall we go to the bar?
00:18Yeah, I'm on.
00:19I'll follow you there, champ.
00:21After you, I suppose.
00:25No, no, no.
00:27Did you like it?
00:38Well, I don't actually eat this.
00:40Julius, nice to see you again.
00:42How's it going, man?
00:43Good.
00:44I saw you at the, when we interviewed you and Mark at the London Soccer Dome.
00:50Mark Rowe at the London Soccer Dome when we did our interview.
00:54How's it going, man?
00:55Yeah, you could.
00:56It's good.
00:57I, I, erm...
00:59See you much more.
01:00No, I was hunting for a few weeks, so I had to find this.
01:04Will you give him immediate contact?
01:06Yeah, yeah.
01:07Alright, um...
01:08How many of you?
01:09Right, it's a good boss.
01:11Erm...
01:12This man, when you last saw his eyes on the show.
01:16When you last saw him, you last saw him.
01:18I was looking for like a tour today.
01:19I was like, I couldn't hang him there.
01:20I couldn't hang him there.
01:21I couldn't hang him there.
01:22No, no, I couldn't hang him there.
01:23That's laziness, though.
01:24I was like, the thing that, when Colin was there.
01:27Would you, what, Colin?
01:28No, no, Colin.
01:29No, no, no, no.
01:30I was like, I'm ayuding him there.
01:31Oh, yes, yes.
01:32Oh, bless you guys.
01:34Ah, thanks.
01:41Yeah, cool.
01:42Yeah.
01:43How cool is he in there?
01:44In the corner.
01:45Yeah, yeah.
01:46Thank you, sir.
01:51Let's get Julius somewhere central, if we can.
01:54Somewhere central?
01:55Yes, I mean, it's just me.
01:56Yeah, just be positive.
01:57You said you only had a look at a chip, not a white.
02:26You want me to?
02:28No, no. Stop. Stop.
02:30Just money.
02:32Yeah.
02:34Yeah.
02:36It's a bit, yeah.
02:42So, um, what do you say to come to me?
02:46So, Julius, initially, first of all, thank you very much for coming as well.
02:52Stars are a bit thin on the ground because Danny Williams bailed on me.
02:55Yeah.
02:56Yeah, which is a shame.
02:58So, if you hadn't have come, it might have been a little bit challenged today.
03:01So, thank you for that.
03:02No, you're not behind me.
03:04Cheers.
03:05So, anyway, can you please explain to the ladies and gentlemen the significance of us coming to this particular hotel, other than the fact it's rather nice.
03:11Yeah.
03:12It is a beautiful hotel.
03:14But, um, yeah, as far as, um, the Mike Tyson scenario, myself and Mike Tyson scenario, this is where, this hotel year, the Mayfair Hotel, is where the fight was officially announced that I was going to be fighting Mike Tyson.
03:31So, um, yeah, so that's, that's the significance of being here.
03:36Yeah.
03:37Um.
03:38Yeah, and I can't remember, really, um, whereabouts it was, but I know there was a hall, a big dining hall somewhere.
03:45Who first, who first gave you the call and told you you fight Mike Tyson?
03:48Was it Frank Maloney?
03:49Yeah, yeah, Frank, uh, Frank Maloney was my manager at the time.
03:54Um.
03:55And it was Frank Maloney at the time.
03:56Yeah.
03:57Um.
03:58So, I suppose that's enough.
03:59No, that's another story, but, um, Frank actually wasn't my manager, because, um, he managed my career, um, all the way through my, like, the third part of my career, but, um, and the second, obviously, uh, the second three years of my career.
04:16Yeah.
04:17Um, but we actually hadn't signed a contract.
04:20So, he spent it for you?
04:21Yeah.
04:22He was in a gentleman's agreement.
04:23Yeah, it was, it was basically a gentleman's agreement.
04:26And the thing with Frank, because I'd known Frank, all through my, um, amateur, well, not, not all through my amateur career, but, as I was finishing up in my amateur career, um, my amateur trainer knew Frank.
04:39Yeah.
04:40And he introduced me to Frank.
04:41So, I remember that name of that club you bought before in South London, it was called St. Peter's.
04:44St. Peter's.
04:45Yeah, St. Peter's, yeah, St. Peter's.
04:46Um, which was, um, and, uh, the, the, the amateur club had a, quite a good tradition of, um, having some quality fighters.
04:56Yeah.
04:57Yeah.
04:58So, um.
04:59And you were, well.
05:00Well.
05:01I'm brushing my luck with him.
05:03I had to fall into this club.
05:05Yeah.
05:06Yeah.
05:07But, um, yeah, so.
05:08So, Frank?
05:09So, my, my amateur trainer there, um, knew Frank.
05:12Yeah.
05:13And so, he introduced me, and that's how I got to, um, work with Frank.
05:18Plus, I had a friend of mine, Warren Richards, right?
05:21Yeah, I remember Warren Richards, yeah.
05:22Who, who was boxing with Frank as well.
05:24Yeah.
05:25So, I was quite close with Warren at the time.
05:28And he, he was kind of pushing me, um, pushing me and saying, oh, come on.
05:32Cause I was doing, obviously, my amateur career was going quite well.
05:35Yeah.
05:36Um.
05:37And he was pushing me and saying, come on, you can train, you train and whatever.
05:40And he, he kind of, um, got me into going to the gym on a bit more regular basis.
05:45Yeah.
05:46This is good, yeah.
05:47Yeah.
05:48And, um, really started enjoying it.
05:50And then, obviously, me and Frank.
05:52So, Frank was wanting to call you about to ask him, Frank?
05:54Yeah, well, I, you know, um, I don't know if you remember.
05:57In 97 with Tyson, he'd had, I think, I think it was 97 when he, or 96 when he had the,
06:06he had the, he had the, 97.
06:07No, 97.
06:08It was the 28th, 1997 he bit older.
06:10Oh, 97, right.
06:11So, 97, obviously, um, Tyson had done that.
06:17He had a band from Nevada State Athletic Commission.
06:19He had a band.
06:20I just, um, I think I'd just won the Commonwealth title, I think in June.
06:26Yeah.
06:27And then September, that same year, I'd won the, I won the British title.
06:33Um, so, it, it weren't as though for me, our paths were never going to cross.
06:38My path was the path.
06:39You didn't, you never imagined that?
06:40No, no, no, not at all.
06:41So, obviously, I'd gone on, I'd, I'd fork up the European title fights.
06:45Yeah.
06:46And, um, then 99 was my, kind of, real big year.
06:49My career year.
06:50Where, where I thought Pelé Reed, Pelé Williams.
06:54And you weren't expecting, you weren't expecting to beat Pelé Reed or Danny?
06:56No, no.
06:57Um, and it, it, it, when I, when I look back on it, I, I do actually think it was a bit,
07:04um, well, quite disingenuous of the, the, um, the British boxing media at the time to,
07:11kind of, have doubts about me because I was, you know, I, I, I would never say that I was
07:16the best out there.
07:17I wasn't, I wasn't never the best out there.
07:19Um, but I, but I was, but I was determined to, well, after I won the British title, which
07:24I set out my whole, yeah, that was my goal, really, to become British champion.
07:29And in 97, becoming British champion, I got my belt, um, and as far as I was concerned,
07:36if I'd stopped boxing the day after I'd won the British title, then I would have been
07:41happy.
07:42You know, that, that's how, that's how much it meant.
07:44But then, I had the belt, I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking, right now, this is the
07:48Lonsdale belt, I'm never going to let this go, you know.
07:53Um, so, then I had the, obviously, I had the journey of fighting Pele, Danny, and Scott
07:59Welsh, you know, like, two guys that were unbeaten, one guy that had previously beaten
08:04me, you know.
08:05Um, so, and it was, in a way, it was a big, it was a big arse, in some ways, but, because
08:13me and Danny had sparred over, I don't know, over the last, yeah, hundreds, over the four
08:20or five years of our careers, we'd sparred hundreds and hundreds of rounds.
08:25Danny, I would say, would usually get, he was the one that, would you, everybody would
08:29see was getting, would, they would say, they would say, yeah, definitely, he was, he was
08:34the better fighter, right, maybe, and I, and I've always said this, and even, even after
08:39the fight with Danny, um, even after the fight beating Danny, I'd still said that, to me,
08:44Danny was the best homegrown heavyweight that this country produced in a very, very long
08:50time, so, and I, I rate Danny, and I, I've got a lot of respect for him, um, at, you know,
08:56and I thought he was a great fighter, but, um, in the beating of Pele Reid, I don't know
09:02if you've seen the fight, um, but in the beating of Pele Reid, after the fight, Danny
09:08gave an interview, and I don't know even if you know, if you picked this up, if you've
09:12seen the interview afterwards, but the, you know, when, when me and Danny used to sparred,
09:17Danny had a great, he had a great move, double jab, I dropped down, he'd come up with a
09:22right uppercut, and he'd catch me, invariably, eight times out of ten, he'd catch me with
09:27the same punch, but he gave it away, he gave away, um, in the little interview he did, he
09:32gave away what his tactics were going to be. Yeah? Yeah, and I picked up on it straight
09:37away. What did he say he was going to do? That's what he said, he was going to, he said
09:40he was going to, he said he was going to throw that double jab right up, that's what he's
09:43going to do. Okay. And he actually, and so, let me just establish, how come you couldn't
09:48have stopped it in the gym, but as soon as someone said it on TV, you thought, ah, I'm wise
09:51for that. But, um, and again, I don't know if you'd ever seen this spying between me
09:58and Danny, it did used to get quite tasty, you know what I mean? Um, there was no animosity
10:03there between us, but, it used to get quite, you know, intense. Yeah, he'd knock me over,
10:10I'd knock him over, he'd wobble me, I'd wobble him. And that's how it was, and we kind of never
10:15really gave a lot to each other, as far as, um, always that massive competitive edge.
10:22Yeah, there was, yeah, yeah, it was very good. Um, but yeah, and then after, after I'd beaten
10:28um, those three guys, um, I think there was a, there was quite a lot of, um, talk about
10:37me moving, um, my career somewhere else, because, um, you know, there was, there was other kind
10:43of big fights in the pipeline, you know. In the US or something, maybe? I think they
10:47were talking about me going over to South Africa, to fight maybe for a while time. You don't
10:51want to go there and tell you, listen, this goes for me. Yeah. No, he's alright. So, um,
10:57yeah, so there was, like, there was a bit of, um, contention about that. And then, I suppose
11:03there was talk in the pipeline, it wasn't, it weren't big talk or anything, but there was
11:08talk about Mike Tyson coming to, or coming to Europe, not necessarily England, but doing
11:13a European tour, because you weren't allowed to fight in America. I don't think you could
11:17either fight in America at the time. It was still playing in Nevada, up to a certain point. Yeah.
11:21Which is why he fought, certainly, I think maybe why he fought, er, Lennox in Memphis. Yeah. Yeah.
11:28And, when did he fight that? Kentucky. Northern Kentucky. Yeah. So, but there was, there was
11:33talk about him coming over, and I think, at the time, the Klitschko brothers were quite
11:38prominent. Yeah. Lennox. They still are, unfortunately. Well, they're one of them. Yeah. But, er, Lennox was,
11:44I think he was going to be fighting, erm, Yoko Mavrovic? No, I don't think that, oh, that fight
11:51might have happened, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was Yoko. Again, another great
11:57fighter that I fought was Yoko Mavrovic. I think, erm, I think when he fought,
12:03Golota or Bent? Sorry? Golota or Bent? Golota, erm, no, I think he'd already beaten,
12:10I think he'd already beaten Golota, I think Lennox had already beaten, but, erm, but when
12:15he fought, especially when he fought Mavrovic, I think, even though, erm, if, if, if you know
12:20Joko Mavrovic, he was a very, actually a very small heavyweight, compared to heavyweights,
12:27yeah. Compared to, compared to heavyweights nowadays, he would have only been about, mate,
12:32at very, very tops, just about 15 stone. So, in, in relative terms, that's quite a very,
12:37very small guy. Yeah. You know? But, I don't think there would have been a fitter guy out there.
12:42Nothing. Erm, and, more determined, and he was another great fellow, a guy that I'd worked
12:49with quite a lot, erm, in Europe, erm, sparring, done loads of rounds again with him, erm, and
12:56then, and then, obviously, my career I ended up fighting him. You know? But, you know, there
13:01was, there was that time, Lennox was, I think Lennox was fighting, erm, Holyfield, or that
13:06fight was there about. And Lennox wasn't, yeah, Lennox wasn't going to fight Tyson.
13:11Erm, that was in March, 1999. Yeah, yeah. So, Lennox wasn't going to fight Tyson, because
13:16it wasn't, erm, it wasn't a viable, Tyson hadn't really done anything. He was on the
13:21slide, on that kind of level of elite at the time. Yeah, yeah, the whole percentage of
13:24me. So, erm, I, I, I suppose, Frank came to me and, and said to me, well, how do you feel
13:31about fighting Tyson? And I was like, me, fight Tyson? My name's getting mentioned with
13:37Mike Tyson, it wasn't serious. And to me, I was like, wow, you know, who wouldn't
13:42want to take that chance? As a fighter, you, erm, you, you, you always want to be, and
13:49fight, and try and, try and be the best, and, and whatever. Erm, so when it was, when it
13:54was put to me, and I, I just went, you know, without even really thinking about it, yes, I'll
13:59fight against Tyson. I'd fight him, yeah, of course I would do. You know, I, like I
14:04say, I, I'd had my run, I'd beaten Danny, Pelé, Danny, Scott Walsh. So they
14:08were the three top guys at that time, in England. I'm defending British
14:13champion, I'm Commonwealth champion. Erm, where else can I go? I think, Frank Warren,
14:18was, I think he was either, he was something to do with Tyson. He was something to do with
14:23promotion, and they famously fell out as well. There's rumours about, I think it was an
14:28unpaid jewellery bill which Tyson expected him to pick up as expenses, Warren Warren
14:32right here, and there's, there's rumours that Tyson, er, struck Warren. We've got to be careful
14:36what we say about Frank Warren, because people know, whenever I mention his name, I say,
14:39whenever I mention his name, I say, do you know what, I brought Julian to the Mayfair Hotel,
14:44do you know where I'm going to interview Warren next? The Ritz. Get it? No. No.
14:50Leave a risk. That's Frank for you. That's his bad jokes. Yeah. But, erm,
14:57you know, erm, Frank, Frank Warren, because Frank Warren had, had something to do with Tyson.
15:03I think I'd beaten, Pelé was Frank's fighter, Danny was Frank's fighter,
15:08Scott Walsh was linked to Frank. I'll get it, mister. So, you know, and there was obviously
15:14that big rivalry between Frank Warren and Frank Maloney. And, you know, it just kind of transpired
15:21that Tyson was the next, the next one they brought up. And I was like, yeah, I'll jump this.
15:27I don't think any heavyweight out there would have said no, you know. Even, erm, considering when, when I, like now,
15:39I, I can't, I don't hold no grudges with anybody and my career was my career. But when, when I look back
15:46and think, right, they offered me this much money for the fight. Tyson got that much money for the fight.
15:51And then, and there's obviously a great disparity, disparaging.
15:54Mitch Green was just complaining about that earlier. I showed an old interview.
15:58I didn't interview Mitch Green years ago, but I just showed it to him at a certain place.
16:02Yeah, yeah. And he was, he was complaining about $750,000 versus $30,000. Yeah, yeah. But, erm,
16:07but I, I wouldn't have, I, I, honestly, I wouldn't, the only thing I'd change about the whole Tyson situation
16:13was the outcome of the fight. That's the only thing I would change. I wouldn't change how I fought him,
16:18how I approached the fight, erm, the people I had around me, erm, you know, that's the only thing I would change.
16:27Erm, you famously, I mean, I, you're probably really, I'm sure you're tired of hearing this,
16:33but famously, that, Frank, on your behalf, accepted some sponsorship from the Daily Mirror.
16:37Yeah. On the soles of the books. Right, yeah. And, you've always said to me that, you know,
16:42at the end of the day, if someone could get you, what's your 13 grand or something?
16:46No, no, no, no, no. Thereabouts, yeah. Let's not, let's not be too specific.
16:50And you, you were like, yeah, whatever, fine, just thank you, but you've always been,
16:53you've always been a pain to stress. You didn't actually accept that. No.
16:56So, yeah, as regards the, the, erm, the soles of my boots being sponsored, I was in camp,
17:05if you imagine, if you're in camp, training camp, anybody's been training or been in the gym
17:10or whatever, and everything, everything is so intense. And then leading up, it's the last week,
17:16last week before the fight, and Frank comes to me and says, right, I've got this, we're going to have this deal.
17:21And he's going to sponsor the soles of his boots. And I was like, you know what, I am,
17:25and, and again, with Frank, I was sick and tired of hearing his voice. And I know it sounds bad,
17:30but, and he's my manager, but he was in camp with me quite a lot.
17:34He is quite camp anyway. And, don't say that, alright, because I'm not, I like, I actually, no, I actually,
17:42me and Frank actually had a, er, a very good relationship. We had a very good working relationship,
17:48plus we had a, er, a kind of relationship outside of, erm, my actual professional career, you know,
17:54so, we'd go out drinking on a regular basis, right?
17:58Well, not on a regular basis, but, I think it was exciting.
18:00Were you, were you completely surprised by the revolution?
18:02Why not?
18:03A hundred percent.
18:04Yeah.
18:05I know people who went out here.
18:06I know people who went out here.
18:07Yeah.
18:08I know people who went out here.
18:09I'll tell you about, I don't know if you remember me from the same time in the original TKU,
18:11from Cavalier.
18:12That was Keith Porter.
18:13Right?
18:14I can't, no, no.
18:15It was only, it was only a kid.
18:16No, no, no, definitely not then.
18:18My, my, my mind's gone.
18:20I, I wasn't shocked when I heard that.
18:23No, I, yeah, I know, I was a hundred percent, because, for me, knowing Frank, like that,
18:29and, after fights or, um, different situations, we'd go out and, as we do, party.
18:36And he said, one of the lads?
18:37Yeah.
18:38One of the lads very much, yeah?
18:39We'd go out, party, and I'm not, I don't want to, you see, this might be on camera,
18:41and there might be some women out there.
18:43It is a bad.
18:44But, um, it's, we used to all go out and have a good time.
18:48The whole, the camp, the guys, when we went abroad, we'd go out and have a, and,
18:53there's no way that I could say that I'd look at Frank and go,
18:57He'll become a woman in 2014.
18:59Yeah, no.
19:00There's not a chance, because, as far as I was concerned, he was one of the guys.
19:04Yeah.
19:05You know, and, and I'm not going to, I'm not knocking his, his life choice.
19:09Whatever he does is, is, is him, but I still, um, I've spoken to him since he became Kelly.
19:15And, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:18You know, as, you know, and I, and I say this as well, um, and I said this when, when I first
19:25heard about it, and then, um, subsequently, it obviously went around, around the world,
19:31none of those and everything.
19:32Um, and I, I put up on my, um, Twitter, that I would rather see Frank as Kelly, than Frank in a box.
19:40Yeah.
19:41Because, and it's sad, but throughout my career, I've, I've worked with guys, um, and they've
19:50passed on, you know, like, some guys have, the pressure has just been too much.
19:55So, for me, to see Frank as Kelly, you know, do what you're doing, do what you're doing,
20:02and live your life, you know what I mean?
20:04And, you know, maybe 30 years ago, I was slating him.
20:08I wouldn't have had nothing to do with him.
20:10But, you grow up, and, you know, you get on with it.
20:15And I, and I actually can, if I went to Kelly now, I wouldn't really look at Kelly as Kelly.
20:24I'd, I'd look at Kelly as Frank, because that's the knowledge that's still in there.
20:30You know, that doesn't change inside there, you know, the, the, as far as the, the knowledge, the gut, as far as whatever we've learnt in the game, and, and the experiences that we've had throughout my, mine and his boxing boys, you know what I'm saying?
20:42It does that, but that might never change.
20:44On your phone contact, is it Frank or Kelly?
20:46Sorry?
20:47On your phone contact, is it under Frank or under Kelly?
20:49Now, well, it's...
20:51That's Kelly.
20:52I think, no, I think I have a picture of Kelly.
20:56I think I do have a picture of Kelly.
20:58And I thought, alright, it is, I think I have her under Kelly Maloney now.
21:02You think he could still promote?
21:04Because he was trying to get him to promote him under Big Brother.
21:07You know what? And I, I said this, I said this to Kelly.
21:09Um, um, I did an interview last year sometime, um, a live radio interview.
21:14And it was Frank, oh, Kelly and Maureen, Kelly's mum.
21:19And I, and I did say that if she was going to get back into boxing, I would definitely work with her.
21:25Really?
21:26I wouldn't do it, 100%.
21:28You could get on a bill with him and...
21:30With her!
21:31...and Audley on the same bill.
21:33Well, you know, um...
21:35I don't know where you are, you're still inside the same, isn't you?
21:37It's, yeah, yeah, he's...
21:39The, the, the person is very much the same person.
21:42The same knowledge, the same, um, all the same contacts, you know what I mean?
21:48Some people might be a major difference if it's just a little bit taller now, with the, uh, with the, uh...
21:52With the heel.
21:53But, but...
21:54I know you're gonna, I know you're gonna smack him with me, but...
21:56But, no, but I genuinely don't have a thing for you.
21:58Sorry?
21:59I don't know how good his brother was, thank you, his brother was quite...
22:01This is not about Kelly Mullaby, this is about Mike Tyson.
22:05We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna...
22:07But I think, um...
22:09I, I think Eugene, as far as I know, is...
22:12It doesn't have a big thing to believe.
22:14No one's ever seen Eugene for years, anyways.
22:16No.
22:17John Benny saw him.
22:18John Benny said he saw him, yeah.
22:19John Benny said he saw him, yeah.
22:20John Benny said he saw him one time, but...
22:21Get him back to Mike Tyson.
22:22Yeah.
22:23Cause I'm, cause I know, if, if Mike watches this, he'd be like,
22:25You're gonna spend all day talking about a god damn...
22:27Yeah.
22:32But Tyson, I didn't get an interview with him, all I did was,
22:34I told him I lost my virginity the day that he'd been perfect.
22:36He said, man...
22:37He said, man...
22:38He said, oh man, that's cool.
22:39I said, I spoke to him about his book a little bit.
22:41He did a lot of nodding, deferentially.
22:43He didn't say a lot.
22:44He didn't get a few of his family on the recording,
22:46but she got a lot of questions.
22:47No, I didn't, no.
22:48But, um...
22:49Julius, okay, we know what happened.
22:50It was January 2000, the fight.
22:52Yeah.
22:53It's actually...
22:55January 2000, um...
22:57It's nearly the anniversary, isn't it?
22:58No, it actually, the anniversary was actually Thursday, the 29th.
23:02So, that's a nice bit of...
23:04So, it would have been this weekend, anyway.
23:06Yeah.
23:07It's kind of fitting.
23:08Yeah.
23:09How good was he still, at that point?
23:11What was it like fighting him?
23:13Well, I will say this, and I truly believe this,
23:17that the Tyson that I thought would have beaten Lennox Lewis.
23:20He means the 2000 version would have beaten Lennox Lewis,
23:23as opposed to literally one, two years later,
23:25to beat Lennox Lewis.
23:26Yeah, yeah, 2002.
23:27Um, I think the 2002 Tyson was finished, you know?
23:31Yeah.
23:32The 2000...
23:33The 2000 Tyson I thought...
23:34So dangerous.
23:35Yeah, very...
23:36And, you know, I looked back, and for months...
23:40It was quite strange, because for months after the fight,
23:43I kept thinking to myself, how did he do what he did?
23:47So...
23:48So...
23:49Yeah, so...
23:50And it was.
23:51People would look at the fight and go,
23:52well, you've only done two rounds with Tyson,
23:55and, um, you know, it was over so quick.
23:59But, the fact is, you know, and I won't take anything away from...
24:04I can't take anything away from Tyson.
24:06He had more knockouts than I'd had fights at that time.
24:09Yeah.
24:10You know, so I was 24 fights in,
24:12and I think Tyson had had 30 knockouts, so...
24:16Yeah, at that point he would have been about 14.
24:19Yeah, so, but I'm not taking anything away,
24:22because I was Commonwealth Champion,
24:25I was British Champion,
24:26so I knew what the game was about.
24:28You know, I'm not trying to take anything away from him.
24:31Um, but he was just that good.
24:34He was really just that good.
24:36I kind of kept saying to myself,
24:38how did he get from there to there,
24:40and able to hit me,
24:42and I'm still swinging over here, and he's over here.
24:44Body shots too, I love body shots.
24:46How do you compare his punching balance?
24:47I know it sounds like a weird question,
24:48but compare it to, say, Daniel...
24:49Well, no, you thought Kurtzfeld.
24:51What was Klitschko?
24:52Yeah, what was Klitschko?
24:53Yeah.
24:54What was Klitschko?
24:55Um...
24:56Well, I suppose the thing with Klitschko,
24:58again, I can't take anything away from him, guys,
25:01but the Germans...
25:03I hope there are no Germans here, right?
25:05Now they're cool.
25:06Right?
25:07But they did pull...
25:08They did pull a couple of strokes,
25:10because I fought Vitaly over in Germany,
25:13and they pulled a couple of strokes,
25:15and really, if the fight was here,
25:17in this room here,
25:18they had me warming up outside before there,
25:21like, five minutes before...
25:23I got my gloves,
25:25and warming up five minutes before I get in the room.
25:28You know, they really did...
25:30Play games.
25:31Yeah, yeah.
25:32But that's the way, you know...
25:34He hit hard.
25:35I've seen one of the guys that hit me the hardest,
25:37Pelé Reed.
25:38Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
25:39Yeah.
25:40Because you fought for the...
25:41Yeah.
25:42Pelé...
25:43Pelé could punch.
25:44I'm not even going to lie.
25:46When I had the fight I had with Pelé,
25:48if he'd have known how hard he did,
25:50he would have...
25:51he could have really jumped on me.
25:53He knocked out with Vitaly Kitschko,
25:54in a kick-box game.
25:55Yes, kick-box game.
25:56Yeah.
25:57Um...
25:58Again, I think we got it...
26:00Going back to Kitschko,
26:02Pelé was a very good fight.
26:04I used to...
26:05Because I did kick-box game.
26:06He really looked...
26:07He looked the part,
26:08but...
26:09Couldn't really...
26:10Couldn't really...
26:11Couldn't really take a punch.
26:12But again, I used to...
26:13Because I...
26:14I did kick-boxing.
26:15And I...
26:16I was...
26:17Boxing was my first...
26:18Combat sport.
26:19I did tongue-fu, karate, this, that, and that...
26:20And kick-boxing.
26:21All throughout my kick-boxing career,
26:22Pelé was on the front of Combat Magazine.
26:24I said, hey, I hate to hear this guy's face.
26:26I'm better at them.
26:27I'm...
26:28You'll be in town,
26:29I'm...
26:30You'll be in town,
26:31I'll be in town,
26:32I'll be in town,
26:33I'll be in town,
26:34I'll be in town,
26:35I'll be in town,
26:36I'll be in town.
26:37And...
26:38And he was a points-fighter,
26:39and you know, so...
26:40Yeah, so...
26:41In a K-1 contest?
26:43I think...
26:44No, I think it was a points...
26:45I think it was a points-fighter.
26:46I thought he carried him.
26:47But he...
26:48He did stop him,
26:49he did knock him out.
26:50But again...
26:52Erm...
26:53Fletchko was tall, lanky,
26:56skinny kid, I suppose.
26:58You know, at the time.
26:59Not...
27:00Not...
27:01Not taking anything away from...
27:02Pele.
27:03But...
27:04Going back to Liam Tyson.
27:05And...
27:06Pele's punching power.
27:07He hit me with a right uppercut.
27:09And...
27:10I promise you,
27:11all I saw was birds and stars.
27:12That's all I saw.
27:13Birds and stars.
27:14Did you ever hear that classic line from James...
27:16James Quictillis,
27:17I think it was,
27:18who said...
27:19Er...
27:20When Ernie Shavers hit him,
27:21he said all of a sudden he saw these little blue rats,
27:23and they were...
27:24And they were smoking seagulls.
27:25It wouldn't...
27:26It wouldn't surprise me.
27:27It wouldn't surprise me.
27:28It wouldn't surprise me.
27:29Sorry, I'm...
27:30Er...
27:31I...
27:32I should've done this earlier.
27:33Erm...
27:34Okay.
27:35What have you got for us?
27:36Yeah, sorry.
27:37Erm...
27:38I believe, erm...
27:39Yeah, sorry...
27:40You know, the value of what?
27:41Where we ate a lot of bullshit...
27:42I forgot.
27:43I think he'd like to show you the one beautiful...
27:45Thank you so much so much.
27:46Erm...
27:47Come on.
27:48If anybody would like to hold it and look at it...
27:50Pass it around.
27:51I actually...
27:52I know you might see the belt...
27:53Which I will not give up.
27:54You want to get the European belt, man?
27:56I'm carrying...
27:57I'm carrying it around in my bag,
27:58but it was easier to carry it.
28:00Erm...
28:01What a belt.
28:02It is the best belt.
28:03It's the best belt.
28:04Yeah, definitely.
28:05Erm...
28:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:07Congrats.
28:08And I suppose, erm...
28:10Going back...
28:11Going back to...
28:12To the Tyson fight...
28:13And...
28:14Tyson's punch power...
28:15I think if you...
28:16Look at the fight...
28:17And the way that he hit me...
28:18And I...
28:19I...
28:20I do say...
28:21It's very...
28:22I...
28:23I've been hit by Lennox...
28:24I was hit by Klitschko...
28:25Alright, Klitschko...
28:26Klitschko stopped me.
28:27Erm...
28:28James Lloyd Bowler...
28:29God rest his soul.
28:30He was another big guy.
28:31Erm...
28:32Even Gallotta.
28:33I sparred with Gallotta.
28:34Erm...
28:35Some of the biggest guys...
28:39At that time.
28:40Yeah.
28:41Big hitters at that time.
28:42And none of them...
28:43Did what Tyson did to me.
28:44Knocked me down.
28:45And...
28:46And even though I'd say...
28:47About the fight...
28:48Tyson knocked me down five times.
28:50It wasn't until...
28:51I went back to...
28:52My...
28:53Erm...
28:54Dressing room.
28:55It wasn't until...
28:56I got back to the dressing room.
28:57And they said...
28:58Erm...
28:59Mark...
29:00Mark, my trainer...
29:01He said...
29:02You got knocked down five times.
29:03I was like...
29:04Why'd I stop the fight?
29:05Why'd I stop?
29:06And he said...
29:07You got knocked down five times.
29:08And I was like...
29:09No.
29:10I didn't.
29:11You got that wrong, Mark.
29:12Yeah, I didn't.
29:13And...
29:14It was only when I watched it...
29:15Back...
29:16Like...
29:17They had a little TV...
29:18And they...
29:19He looked away from you, though.
29:20Didn't he?
29:21When you were doing the stare down...
29:22I think he was...
29:23I'm not even sure, but I...
29:24You know...
29:25I remember...
29:26They made a big thing about that.
29:27I think...
29:28Tyson actually looked away from you.
29:29I think lots of people...
29:30Erm...
29:31Look at Tyson's career...
29:32In the way that he grew up.
29:33And I'm not saying that...
29:34You know...
29:35We...
29:36We...
29:37Walked along the same path.
29:38But...
29:39I'm not saying that...
29:40You know...
29:41We...
29:42We...
29:43Walked along the same path.
29:44But...
29:45I...
29:46I grew up in a kind of rough area.
29:48I grew up in a kind of rough area.
29:49I grew up in a different prison.
29:51I've done lots of different things in my life.
29:52So...
29:53Yeah.
29:54As far as I was concerned...
29:55Me fighting Tyson wasn't...
29:56You know...
29:57I wasn't...
29:58I wasn't...
29:59I wasn't...
30:00I wasn't...
30:01The guy...
30:02Phil's a picture of a bunch...
30:03The same as I did.
30:04And I've been in so many different situations in my life...
30:06That...
30:07You know...
30:08He was the next guy.
30:09You know...
30:10Yes...
30:11There is a fear...
30:12And I'm not gonna lie to you...
30:13There is a fear...
30:14Of fighting Tyson.
30:15But by the time...
30:16I stepped in the ring...
30:17On the 29th of January...
30:182000...
30:19Like I said...
30:20I don't mean to swear ladies...
30:21But I couldn't give a fuck...
30:23That that really...
30:24Really...
30:25Really...
30:26I didn't know how to give a fuck about him.
30:30You know...
30:31It was amazing...
30:32Because he did get the old hair guys...
30:33As I was a young kid back...
30:34Because the bat...
30:35He was played here by soldiers...
30:37Yes...
30:38Yeah...
30:39Yeah...
30:40Because...
30:41I trained...
30:42I trained at...
30:43Aldershire Army Base...
30:44That's where...
30:45That's where my camp was based...
30:47So...
30:48They...
30:49You know...
30:50I don't...
30:51I'm not even sure if that's ever been done before...
30:52With the army guys...
30:53Drumming...
30:54Drumming a fighter in...
30:55Erm...
30:56And that to me...
30:57Again...
30:58It was a great honour...
30:59You know...
31:00It was a real...
31:01Great honour...
31:02For them to be there...
31:03And representing me...
31:04And as far as I was concerned...
31:06When I stepped out into that arena...
31:08You know...
31:09Regardless of whether there was people cheering for Tyson...
31:12And...
31:13Whatever...
31:14That whole crowd...
31:15As far as I was concerned...
31:16In my head...
31:17That was all swinging for me...
31:18That was all caught in mind...
31:19I didn't give a shit...
31:20And then...
31:21I can't...
31:22I remember...
31:23Stepping up onto the...
31:24Ring apron...
31:25And...
31:26Stopping and looking around...
31:27Yeah...
31:28And...
31:29As far as I was concerned...
31:30All those...
31:31I think the 23,000...
31:32Yeah...
31:33That was in the arena...
31:34They was all behind me...
31:35You know...
31:36And they...
31:37They wanted me to be...
31:38Yeah...
31:39So...
31:40And that's...
31:41That's why I appreciate it...
31:42And that's why I really...
31:43I felt that...
31:44You know...
31:45Um...
31:46I think that...
31:47As far as the intimidation...
31:48Of...
31:49Of...
31:50Me...
31:51Um...
31:52Being afraid of Tyson...
31:53And being intimidated...
31:54There's...
31:55A...
31:56Kind of backstory...
31:57When...
31:58With this hotel...
31:59Yeah...
32:00At this hotel...
32:01And it had a life-size...
32:02Cut-out of Tyson...
32:03Yeah...
32:04And I...
32:05I think it's the...
32:06The picture...
32:07Where...
32:08He's standing in the corner of the ring...
32:10Yeah...
32:11He's got one foot up...
32:12And he's wearing a pair of flat shorts...
32:13Yeah...
32:14Right...
32:15I think that's the...
32:16Or he's leaning against ropes...
32:17And...
32:18We've had the press conference...
32:20Done all the talking...
32:21And everything like that...
32:22And...
32:23They wanted to take photos...
32:24Yeah...
32:25And they said...
32:26Will...
32:27Will you go and stand and buy a photo...
32:28Right...
32:29And we'll just...
32:30Like...
32:33Keep it down a bit...
32:34Sorry...
32:35So...
32:36So...
32:37They...
32:38And...
32:39Honestly...
32:40I will say to you...
32:41Honestly...
32:42I stood by...
32:43The...
32:44Cardboard cut-out...
32:45And that's when I felt...
32:46I actually...
32:47You were fighting with a cardboard tie...
32:48Yeah...
32:49It was...
32:50Because...
32:51In some ways...
32:52Although...
32:53Although the fight was announced...
32:54And everything...
32:55And it was...
32:56Yeah...
32:57Yeah...
32:58And I think the...
32:59That was in...
33:00December...
33:01I think that was in December...
33:02And...
33:03I think...
33:04If I can't remember...
33:05It was...
33:06The fight was announced in December...
33:07And there was a...
33:08For me...
33:09There was a lot going on...
33:10Around that time...
33:11Around...
33:12My...
33:13My daughter had just been born...
33:14The end of November...
33:15Erm...
33:16Then the Tyson fight was announced...
33:18Then I had to go away to...
33:19Camp...
33:20And it was kind of a lot...
33:21A real lot going on...
33:22But...
33:23You know...
33:24And I...
33:25I do...
33:26Kind of...
33:27With my...
33:28With my daughter Jada...
33:29Erm...
33:30I kind of do owe her a lot...
33:32And...
33:33I...
33:34Sometimes I say to myself that...
33:35Erm...
33:36Because the game of boxing...
33:37You have to be very selfish...
33:39You know...
33:40When I had to...
33:41We...
33:42Alright...
33:43She was born...
33:44Went to her birth...
33:45Went to see her born...
33:46And then...
33:47I think it was about...
33:48Just about two weeks...
33:49I was off in camp...
33:50You know...
33:51Erm...
33:52I had to leave her...
33:53Left her mum to deal with...
33:55The new baby...
33:56Yeah...
33:57Deal with the new baby...
33:58All the...
33:59Erm...
34:00She dealt with a lot of sponsorship stuff for me...
34:01Erm...
34:02You know...
34:03So...
34:04It was kind of...
34:05I had to be very selfish...
34:06And...
34:07Erm...
34:08In...
34:09In some ways...
34:10I do feel a bit guilty...
34:11But...
34:12I say to myself...
34:13If...
34:14It was your job...
34:15Yeah...
34:16It was my job at the time...
34:17And...
34:18And then...
34:19If I'd have beaten Tyson...
34:20Then...
34:21Obviously...
34:22You know...
34:23The world changes...
34:24The life changes...
34:25And all that...
34:26How confident were you...
34:27Of pulling that off at the time?
34:28Of me beating Tyson...
34:29100%?
34:30100%...
34:31No one could have told me...
34:32That I was going to lose...
34:33Against Mike Tyson...
34:34It didn't matter...
34:35That Mike Tyson was...
34:36Mike Tyson...
34:37As far as I was concerned...
34:39Like I said...
34:40He feels a pinch and a punch...
34:42The same as anybody else...
34:43You know...
34:44Erm...
34:45And who did you get in...
34:47For sparring...
34:48To try and replicate that...
34:49Oh god...
34:50I had...
34:51I had a couple of really good guys...
34:52I had the guy...
34:53Erm...
34:54Edgerton Marcus...
34:55Yeah...
34:56Who was one of...
34:57Lennox Lewis' chief sparring partners...
34:58Yeah...
34:59Again...
35:00Erm...
35:01Short, aggressive guys?
35:02Yeah...
35:03Very...
35:04He was very Tartan-esque...
35:05Erm...
35:06Squat...
35:07Through hooks...
35:08Like Tyson...
35:09Came in...
35:10Bobbing and weaving...
35:11Like Tyson...
35:12Erm...
35:13I had...
35:14I had Candelaki...
35:15And...
35:16George Candelaki...
35:17Yeah...
35:18Michael Holden...
35:19Erm...
35:20Who subsequently beat me...
35:21For the British Army...
35:22Yeah...
35:23Yeah...
35:24Um...
35:25Where's he now?
35:26Yeah...
35:27Yeah...
35:28No...
35:29He's actually...
35:30I...
35:31I do hear things...
35:32He's...
35:33I think he's a policeman now...
35:34I've imagined...
35:35For all things...
35:36Yeah...
35:37I think he is...
35:38What went so wrong?
35:39But...
35:40But...
35:41I can't...
35:42I can't remember...
35:43I had some good guys...
35:44And...
35:45And...
35:46And...
35:47The other thing about the guys that were in camp with me...
35:48Is that...
35:49They would...
35:50And...
35:51And we did it with Lennox...
35:52And that's the first time that I knew about it...
35:53When I went training with Lennox...
35:55That they do...
35:56Erm...
35:57But...
35:58Frank would put them on a bonus...
35:59If they'd knock me over...
36:00If they'd...
36:01So...
36:02Tim Mcdonald's got a very interesting story about getting Danny ready for the fight...
36:04Which I'm gonna tell these people later...
36:05Yeah...
36:06Because I've got more...
36:07I'll take but say in it...
36:08But...
36:09That was the thing...
36:10There was a bonus offered to anyone who could knock him down...
36:11If he...
36:12If...
36:13If...
36:14If...
36:15If...
36:16If...
36:17If the guys knock me over...
36:18Then they're on a bonus...
36:19I don't know...
36:20500 quid bonus or whatever it was...
36:21You know what I mean?
36:22So...
36:23That was their incentive...
36:24So when they came into the gym...
36:25You know...
36:26So...
36:27There were no...
36:28Corners cut...
36:29You know...
36:30People say...
36:31Erm...
36:32You know...
36:33I think...
36:34A lot of difficult questions were asked...
36:35So I think I've done a bonus...
36:37Yes...
36:38Because I gave my...
36:39I put my heart and soul into it...
36:40You know...
36:41OK...
36:42Well...
36:43This...
36:44Obviously...
36:45The concept of this talk today...
36:46About Tyson...
36:47And the relationship with British Sporting...
36:48I'm massively grateful...
36:49I'm sure everybody else is for you coming down...
36:51But let's finish on a more upbeat note...
36:53Than a second round KO loss...
36:54Even that's part of history...
36:55I think...
36:56You deserve the right to finish this...
36:58On an upbeat note of your choosing...
37:00So can I ask you in closing...
37:01Julius...
37:02What your proudest moment was...
37:03Of all your boxing career...
37:04Of my whole boxing career...
37:05Is actually...
37:06Winning...
37:07And...
37:08Defending...
37:09And...
37:10And...
37:11And...
37:12And...
37:13And...
37:14And...
37:15And...
37:16And...
37:17And...
37:18And...
37:19Anyone who doesn't know by the way...
37:20I don't know...
37:21Some of you will know this...
37:22Because you're boxing nuts...
37:23And some of you might not...
37:24You only...
37:25You only...
37:26The only reason he's allowed to bring this belt today...
37:27Because the only reason he owns it...
37:28Is because he won the...
37:29The statutory amount of British title fights...
37:30400...
37:31I'll...
37:32I'll...
37:33I'll...
37:34I'll comp him for the...
37:35For the meal...
37:36And the first two drinks...
37:37Definitely...
37:38Without...
37:39I'm...
37:40I'm not...
37:41I'm not...
37:42I'm not...
37:43Yeah...
37:44It's going to be huge...
37:45But...
37:46I was going to say...
37:47But just in case anyone doesn't know this...
37:48And some of you will...
37:49Because you're boxing nuts...
37:50And some of you might not...
37:51The only reason he's allowed to bring this belt today...
37:52Because...
37:53The only reason he owns it...
37:54Is because he won the...
37:55The statutory amount of British title fights...
37:56Mmm.
37:57If somebody won the British title tomorrow and then lost it in their first defence, they don't get it for keeps, you win three British title fights to keep it home, I don't know.
38:04So that is why it's his property.
38:07So I won it against Gary Delaney, defended it against Pele, Danny and Scott, and actually it was...
38:20Is that Delaney from the Delaney-Garreny-Garren?
38:22Yes it is.
38:24Have you ever heard of that thing?
38:27Yeah, yeah.
38:28They used British title fights to be.
38:30I think that was...
38:31It was quite a strange, the fight actually for the British title, because I had to go to Belfast to fight for the British title against a semi-Irish guy, you know, so it was kind of...
38:47It was an olden atmosphere.
38:49I know, but I tell you what, as far as, even being in Belfast and in the Kinzall that they say, it didn't matter that the Irish kid or semi-Irish kid didn't win, the Irish fans, I will always say this, the Irish boxing fans are just knowledgeable and just love boxing.
39:11Yeah.
39:12You know, they're very knowledgeable and...
39:15Yeah, it doesn't matter.
39:17They just like to see a good fighter try, I don't think so.
39:19Yeah.
39:20Yeah.
39:21And again, I suppose, with winning the Lonsdale belt outright for me, boxing at the York Hall, boxing even at Kings Hall, but winning the Lonsdale belt and defending it and winning the Lonsdale belt outright at the Albert Hall was the pinnacle, you know, because...
39:43You must regret the fact that you've never won the bronze international Masters title.
39:52I'm being kind of satirical about the state of the game today, Juggies.
39:57Do you know, there are now titles, they're always vacant, and they're a call international because they're going to get you a letter being to fight.
40:03Yeah.
40:04And when you look on Bottrop for the listing, the opponent's not even announced, it's just a TBA, they see a title fight.
40:11You better edit that bit, because Ben Dale will see it again.
40:14No, I...
40:15You know, again, there's a couple of other things, because Lord Lonsdale there, I was, again, fortunate to meet the current Lord Lonsdale.
40:26Yeah.
40:27And, yeah, I mean, he, I know this might sound a bit funny, but I've got him to sign my programme for me, so...
40:33Yeah, Lord Lonsdale, yeah, he signed a programme for me.
40:36Erm, and, yeah, and I've got his side, I don't know, he's great, great, great, great, great grandfather's, erm, whole part of his legacy.
40:44So, to me, that's, erm, another...
40:47And those things are not cheap to make, either.
40:49They cost about...
40:50It's the weight of it.
40:51It's the weight of it.
40:52It's the weight of it, I think.
40:53They don't just give them away, it's all that.
40:55I don't know, I don't actually know how much, how much it's worth.
40:59But, erm, I think, when they, when they, erm, gave it to me, and they said it was insured for, at the time, erm, unless this is 97,
41:10they said it was insured for, like, seven, seven and a half grand or something like that.
41:14But that was then, so I don't know, I don't know what it would be now.
41:17I've never had it valued, it's...
41:19Time got that.
41:20Time got that.
41:21Time got that.
41:22Time got that.
41:23Time got that.
41:24Time got that.
41:25Time got that.
41:26When I keep it...
41:27Right, I, I, I will say it's not, it's not actually displayed anywhere.
41:29Why?
41:30Do you want to put it back on, walk around...
41:31You know, I, I...
41:33No, don't, don't, don't, don't.
41:35Don't.
41:36Don't, don't.
41:37But, erm...
41:38I think it should have been against Pele because at the time Pele was champion and I didn't
41:53realise that that fight with me and Pele for defence of the British, defence of my British
42:00Commonwealth and it was for his international truncate. I never got a belt, that's the only
42:10one that letters. Yeah I never got a belt. So where do you keep it then? I was going
42:19to say it's actually quite a shame for the team but my partner is in the bottom of her
42:27side of the wall though. I've looked for many, many years for a proper display page for it
42:37to display it properly but I've never actually found one that I've got. See that's another
42:44reason. I feel like I've moved for it and I want it to be in something that's authentic
42:52that will do it justice as well. Plus I had to take it to Birmingham to get it cleaned
42:59and I don't want to say, I would hate to send it by post site. I've got to take a road trip.
43:05Julie, have you ever had any contact with the Imports Cafe? Yeah, we've met on a couple of occasions.
43:12A couple of times he's been over here on Speaking Tours.
43:17Has he got on the piss? No, no, no. I'm not really a big drinker as it goes anyway.
43:24But we've spoken about me fighting him. And you know, it's quite strange that with all the guys at Tyson 4,
43:36I know it was quite recent that I was going to fight, but he came and looked for me. When he went up to Scotland
43:42to fight Luce Abreas, I was doing a commentary for Sky and he was up doing his, getting his,
43:49doing interviews, getting weighed in and everything like this. And he kept looking over in my direction.
43:54And I had no idea that he didn't remember me. And as soon as all that was over, he jumped on stage,
44:00he came over to me, gave me a big hug, asked me how I was doing, congratulated me on what I was doing.
44:05And, and we've kind of, when I've seen him over here, again, he's very, he's very, um, gracious.
44:12You know, he's very gracious, very personable. And, again, very, very down to earth.
44:19So, lots of that stuff that people have read about him in the news and whatever his thoughts are.
44:24What do you say, Julie? What do you do with the flow that you've done when you finish?
44:27What, finish, finish boxing?
44:29Yeah.
44:30Two of my fans.
44:31Oh!
44:32You don't do door work, don't you?
44:34Yeah, I, I do door work, I work with kids.
44:37Oh my gosh.
44:38Um, you know, I, I, yeah, I, I do, I've done loads of stuff.
44:42I've worked with some up and coming fighters, looked at fighters, broad fighters.
44:46And it took you quite a long time to give up, anyway, to retire.
44:48Yeah, I, I think.
44:49You stayed around and made a few quid.
44:50Yeah, I, I did, but then maybe I'd kind of, um, should, I should have finished,
44:56like, a bit earlier.
44:57But maybe.
44:58But, you know.
44:59But you still got your facilities?
45:00Yeah.
45:01Yeah, and I'm, I'm, I'm, hopefully I still got my looks.
45:03I don't know.
45:04I don't know what you used to look like.
45:06Yeah.
45:07But, um, yeah, I, you know, because I started so late in the game as well.
45:12Yeah?
45:13Let's make that point.
45:14I never turned around until 28.
45:15It's late.
45:16Yeah.
45:17So.
45:18That's your question Kingsley.
45:19Yeah, let's go over there.
45:20When did you start, like, kickboxing then?
45:21He started turn podium 28.
45:22Kickboxing?
45:23Oh, yeah, yeah.
45:24Oh, yeah.
45:25Yeah, I, I think I started kickboxing, actually, um, about 24, I think.
45:31Something like that.
45:32I think my first, I know it's kind of a little bit of a sideline, but my first ever kickboxing
45:39fight, I lost, uh, a five round decision against a guy that was number one, uh, pin ten for
45:46a long time.
45:47So, um.
45:48You were that out of your face, or you can't remember that?
45:51I, no, he was a French guy.
45:53So what about you went down to boxing?
45:55Well, no, boxing was my first combat sport.
45:57Yeah.
45:58Boxing was the first sport, and I always loved boxing.
46:00Because, um, I think because I couldn't do it when I first started, I just went up,
46:07I just fell in love with it.
46:08I just fell in love with it.
46:09You know, I, I, I got a younger brother who was, if he'd have boxed, um, he was very
46:15much in the, um, what's his name?
46:18Oh, God.
46:19What are we talking about?
46:20There was three of them.
46:21They're middleweights.
46:22They were Haglar, Tommy Owens.
46:25Yeah.
46:26He was very much a Hearns type style of fighter, but he would, he would have been light everywhere.
46:31Yeah.
46:32And he, he drank, he smoked, and all the bad things.
46:36I'd be in the gym, seven days a week, whatever, whatever.
46:39He'd come in, come into the gym, and he, he, put the crap out of me.
46:44So he, he was a loss of boxing, maybe?
46:46He was a loss of boxing.
46:47I, I'm good at that, he never boxed.
46:49But, that wasn't his, that wasn't his thing.
46:51You know?
46:52He was very much a natural.
46:53He was where I had to really put in the work and work for him.
46:57But, yeah, so...
46:58I know the other times, but...
47:02Did you know the time?
47:03Did you ever sparse Matt's down to?
47:05Oh, yeah.
47:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:07I just thought Matt there.
47:08We'd better, we'd better press on in a bit for people at the next shop, you know how these
47:12things work.
47:13Yeah, yeah.
47:14Does anybody want you, and there's a sign, and I gotta get a picture.
47:18Do a picture.
47:19And then, yeah.
47:20Call the time to do the interview first, but I'll attempt you to as always.
47:23Right, there I am.
47:24That's it.
47:25That's it.
47:25Take five minutes.