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00:00It was the epitome of a lack of due process in a court proceeding in this country.
00:07It was shocking.
00:09The immigration judge had made up her mind before the hearing even started what she was going to do.
00:15She basically cut off questioning throughout the proceeding.
00:23She cut off argument.
00:24What this document says is that there is a compelling government interest in not letting Mr.
00:34Mahmood express his beliefs, statements, or associations in the United States because of a compelling foreign policy interest.
00:46We wanted to examine Marco Rubio and say, what are you talking about?
00:51This guy has never been convicted of a crime, never been charged with a crime, a very peaceful person.
00:59His ideas are that threatening to the United States.
01:03And that's the position of the United States government, that Mahmood Khalil's ideas are so horrible, his ideas that there should be a Palestinian state, his ideas that the United States is contributing to genocide in Gaza by the Israeli government.
01:29You know, like Mark was saying, today was historic in its unfairness.
01:35The judge went out of her way to make very clear to us and anyone in the courtroom that the constitutional arguments we were making had no place in immigration court.
01:47There was not an ounce of desire in her being to give Mahmood a fair hearing today.
01:57And that's precisely what we were fearful of.
02:01The immigration case is far from over.
02:03We move on now into what's called the relief stage, where Mahmood can present certain applications to defend against removal.
02:13And we're set to file additional evidence and applications by April 23rd.
02:19We foresee that this case will require at least a few more hearings in immigration court before, you know, a final decision is made, at which point there could be appeals.
02:33You know, at the same time, my colleagues will talk about this more briefly.
02:37We also have pending proceedings in district court, which is the proper forum per the government and per this judge to make the constitutional arguments that, despite whatever authority Secretary Rubio asserts, you cannot deport someone from the country for engaging in constitutionally protected free speech.
02:58If, if, if, if Rocco Rubio says he should be deported, end of the inquiry.
03:04So that's the position we'll be arguing in, in, in district court that that can't happen.
03:11It's violative of the first amendment and we'll argue it wherever we can, but that's their legal position that they are taking in this case.
03:21We can go to the board of immigration appeals, but not till there's what's called a final order.
03:27Uh, so we're still, um, have this, you know, I'd say, um, you know, secondary tertiary matters to deal with in the immigration court.
03:38But my guess is she'll be making a decision, you know, within a few weeks or so on the, on the other matters, uh, which really won't control the case.
03:49Um, and then we would go to the board of immigration appeals, um, but the board of immigration appeals, uh, has precedent, which is what the judge relied on.
03:59And the, uh, government was arguing, uh, basically similarly saying you can't look behind the, uh, two page letter or the, any memorandum that the secretary of state puts out about this.
04:13So our, our real remedy is in, in district court, in federal district court, and that's the only place we're going to get any, um, real justice or that he is going to get any real justice.
04:23As he said in court today, there's no mistake.
04:27There was no accident in him being sent to Louisiana.
04:30Um, it is a place far removed from most of society where it's difficult to, um, get news from.
04:39Um, it's difficult to find an attorney, um, and, you know, just like his arrest was meant to silence him and intimidate him to be quiet, uh, sticking him in the middle of the South with very little access to people, technology, et cetera, is just a further attempt to chill him.