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00:00:00There are absolute evils in this world.
00:00:21Whether it be an abstract or metaphorical evil, but it is mostly people.
00:00:30People that don't care about anyone else, and they interact with us every day, and most
00:00:44of the time you don't know who they are.
00:00:49This is the hostel that Yosef and I and all the other roommates lived in.
00:00:53What do you think when you look at it?
00:00:57He had us all fooled, but I'm hoping that whatever I do to talk about it is going to warn
00:01:05other people so that they don't become victims of him themselves.
00:01:10Then they can avoid him and possibly not get murdered.
00:01:25Where do you want me to start?
00:01:26Like where you were in the world?
00:01:28Why you decided to come here?
00:01:30Okay.
00:01:31The good part.
00:01:32The good part.
00:01:33Okay.
00:01:34In 2011, I graduated from college.
00:01:41I knew I wanted to travel and not just be a tourist.
00:01:47I wanted to go live in a country and establish myself with a job, an apartment, and actually
00:01:55experience that country as much as I could.
00:02:00I chose Chile because it's easy to get a visa here and there's a lot of opportunities for
00:02:07work.
00:02:08And there's a lot to do.
00:02:09Like to the north, you have the desert.
00:02:12To the south of Patagonia and wine country.
00:02:15It's a beautiful country.
00:02:18And I wanted to see it all.
00:02:23Also, Santiago has very low murder rates.
00:02:26People don't get kidnapped here.
00:02:28Chile is really safe aside from what happened to me.
00:02:32I came here by myself.
00:02:39I didn't know anybody.
00:02:42And I got a job teaching English.
00:02:45I also found a place to live.
00:02:48There was a girl that I met and she was living at this house.
00:02:53And it was more permanent lodging.
00:02:55People stayed there for a longer term than they would say at a hostel when they're on vacation.
00:03:00Everyone had jobs or they were a student.
00:03:02And she said there was an empty room and it's fun.
00:03:06There's a lot of people from all over the world there.
00:03:09And it's cheap.
00:03:11And it's in a nice neighborhood.
00:03:13So I said, why not?
00:03:21When I moved in, there was a Danish guy, a German girl, two girls from Mexico, some
00:03:29Panamanian students, there's a Spanish guy.
00:03:37Josef was the Danish man.
00:03:39He was very friendly and generous.
00:03:43He helped me bring my bags in, introduced me to all the other roommates.
00:03:50Josef was much older than all of us.
00:03:52We were all in our early to mid-20s and he was like 32.
00:04:00Then he was like, oh, we have a new roommate.
00:04:03Let's throw a little party.
00:04:05He went to the store, bought all the food.
00:04:08We had a little barbecue for me.
00:04:12It's what I had kind of imagined my life being in Chile.
00:04:18It was fun.
00:04:21Not long after I moved in, Molly moved in and she's also from Texas and we hit it off great.
00:04:28We're both kind of sarcastic and I think we have good senses of humor.
00:04:32We knew we liked each other pretty much the moment we met each other.
00:04:35I was 25 and just wanting an adventure and some experience.
00:04:42It was fun having all of these international roommates because everyone had different stories
00:04:48and a different reason for being there.
00:04:51Josef told us that his reason for staying at the house was he was from Palestine but lived in Denmark
00:05:00and that he came to Santiago to run in this desert race in northern Chile, the Atacama race.
00:05:07Josef told us that he had done a lot of extreme running in Brazil and ran through the jungle and stuff like that.
00:05:17Did you ever see him training?
00:05:19No.
00:05:23He was fit though. I mean, he was really fit.
00:05:26Is he handsome?
00:05:27I'd say he's handsome, yeah.
00:05:29I mean, he has really long eyelashes, nice face.
00:05:33He does have a magnetism about him and a charisma about him, definitely.
00:05:40Josef would regale us with these long elaborate stories of rescuing people from being kidnapped.
00:05:50Because he was in the Danish special forces, I just kind of rolled my eyes when he would tell these stories
00:05:59because they were all just so glorious for him.
00:06:04A lot of stories about heroic deeds and that he only protects people and defends people.
00:06:12He never attacks people.
00:06:14He wanted to clarify that.
00:06:17It just thought that was kind of weird.
00:06:20I kind of thought he was a bullshitter and I kind of let him know that I thought he was exaggerating.
00:06:32He picked up on me not really liking him that much.
00:06:38And that really upset him because he's used to people liking him.
00:06:45After a while, things got a little weird between us.
00:06:54But at the time, I didn't think anything of it.
00:07:00People outside of the situation were like, oh, never me.
00:07:05I would totally pick up on all those red flags.
00:07:08But you don't know.
00:07:10You just don't know.
00:07:12And you don't see him until it's too late.
00:07:15I met Yousef in August 2010.
00:07:30I was coordinator of the Palestinian network in Denmark.
00:07:36The idea of the Palestinian network is to show the Palestinians as humans like anybody else.
00:07:45Because most people imagine stone throwing young people fire and bombs.
00:07:51And this is the image we want to move from.
00:07:55So it's important to support Palestinians who do the arts or education or sports.
00:08:04In fact, that's why I got a phone call from Yousef.
00:08:10And he told me that he was Palestinian origin and he wanted to run this race in Brazil.
00:08:17It's a really extreme marathon.
00:08:20And he wanted to do it for Palestine.
00:08:24He wanted me and the other Palestinians to support him.
00:08:29And I said, how much money we are talking about?
00:08:32And then he said, around 40,000 Danish kronos.
00:08:37That's five or six thousand US dollars.
00:08:40That's a lot of money.
00:08:41I'm proud of being a Danish citizen.
00:08:44But I remember my roots.
00:08:46And when a young man wants to run and win for Palestine.
00:08:51That's very important.
00:08:54So I made a website for him.
00:08:59And I wrote, there's a young talent who's going to run this marathon.
00:09:03And please contribute.
00:09:05And in the end, I collected around 4,000 Danish kronos.
00:09:11That was nothing.
00:09:14Because he said he wanted 10 times more, 40,000 Danish kronos.
00:09:21Yousef was mad.
00:09:23What?
00:09:24I don't understand how you're talking about the national Palestinian feeling.
00:09:29And nobody cares for me.
00:09:30You are the most stupid Palestinian group.
00:09:33And I said to him, look, stop, don't yell.
00:09:38That's all what I can do for you.
00:09:40If you want, you can take this money.
00:09:42If you don't want, I can't help you anymore.
00:09:44Then he changed to this soft guy again.
00:09:46Oh, no, it's not you.
00:09:49Don't get mad on me.
00:09:50I'm just a little sensitive now.
00:09:52And I'm very happy for your help.
00:09:55He didn't want to cut the relation.
00:09:58And he asked me, could you bring a Palestinian flag to me?
00:10:04Then I will take it with me to Brazil when I run.
00:10:08And that's, you know, made my heart.
00:10:10Oh, he's going to win for us.
00:10:12Of course, he lied.
00:10:14Big time.
00:10:19So the first day after they started the race,
00:10:23I went to the website to see how the progress is.
00:10:28And I was shocked.
00:10:30Yusuf was number one.
00:10:34You know, I jumped out of the chair.
00:10:36And I called some of the friends.
00:10:38And I said, he won the first day.
00:10:40And he's going to win this race.
00:10:42I was so happy.
00:10:45It was an easy day.
00:10:47Easy.
00:10:48When we see the other days, we have been running.
00:10:51It was an easy day.
00:10:52We could relax more for tomorrow.
00:10:55So the next day, I checked the website to see how it's going.
00:11:02I was shocked that he was disqualified.
00:11:09And I was so sad.
00:11:11And I said, what the hell has happened?
00:11:16You were number one yesterday, and now you are disqualified.
00:11:22Then he said, oh, that's because he was hurt with his leg.
00:11:26And the second day, the doctors on the team, they had to examine him.
00:11:31But he said to the doctor, oh, I can't run.
00:11:34I have just have to rest a little bit.
00:11:37But the doctors decided that he was not run anymore.
00:11:43Then he began talking about, that's because the doctor team were Americans.
00:11:48And he think that because he's Palestinian, that's why they disqualified him.
00:11:55Discrimination.
00:11:56And I thought, it sounds right.
00:11:59They want to stop him.
00:12:01He was sad, but he had hope that he can run in the next race in Chile.
00:12:13And I thought, now it's a fight for us.
00:12:16Now it's not only about a race.
00:12:19Now it's about to win over the people who want to stop him.
00:12:24I have to help him, you know.
00:12:26The first time I heard the name of Yosef Hatter was in January of 2011.
00:12:39This leader of the Palestinian community in Dinamarca.
00:12:42He said that a Palestinian athlete would come here to run for this ultra-marathon of San Pedro of Atacama.
00:12:49And it was very important for us, as Palestinian community, that he appeared here in Chile.
00:12:57I knew him the same night that he came here in Chile.
00:13:06He did a campaign to collect money, to pay for the ultra-marathon career,
00:13:12and for his personal expenses that he could have here in Chile.
00:13:15They have raised for Yosef around 10,000 American dollars.
00:13:22And then Yosef called me, and he said he would love if I came to Chile to support him.
00:13:28And then he said, and then you can take pictures of me when I'm running,
00:13:32and when I'm winning, and having the flanks in my hands.
00:13:35And I said, yeah, I'm gonna do it.
00:13:37I asked Carlos how it was going with Yosef.
00:13:41And he said, oh, Yosef is a wonderful guy.
00:13:44And we love him, and we want to do anything to help him.
00:13:59He's so good at lying.
00:14:02I can't lie like that.
00:14:04You probably can't.
00:14:06He can.
00:14:18We had good times here, but now it's all tainted.
00:14:25It looks exactly the same room, which is surreal.
00:14:31A lot's changed, but the building hasn't.
00:14:36As time went by, it got a lot colder in Santiago, and that house had no hot water.
00:14:53It had no heating.
00:14:55The windows couldn't close all the way.
00:14:57We were miserable.
00:14:59Yosef quickly noticed that we were complaining about how cold the house was and wanting to move out of there.
00:15:06And he took that opportunity, and he said that he'd just purchased some condos in Santiago, and that he'd rent them out to us.
00:15:16At first, we thought it was a little weird that he bought apartments since he wasn't even, like, a citizen here.
00:15:23But then he was like, oh, well, I have this money.
00:15:27I like to invest in property.
00:15:29So I bought these apartments, and we're like, okay.
00:15:33I didn't totally trust him, but I was so ready to have a different living situation.
00:15:43And having to find an apartment in Santiago without knowing Spanish was going to be really difficult, and we could skip all that.
00:15:58So, Callie and I gave him money to cover one month's rent and a security deposit.
00:16:10Over the course of a couple weeks, he kept giving us excuses as to why we couldn't move into the apartment.
00:16:17He would give us the date next week, like, okay, next week.
00:16:20And then we'd all pack up again, and it wouldn't happen for some reason.
00:16:24A lot of other people in the house loaned Yosef money when he kept excusing himself why he couldn't pay them back.
00:16:34So I think finally he sensed that we were mad at him.
00:16:40And he's like, okay, I'm gonna show Callie where the real estate office is so that you can go get the keys.
00:16:49And then pick up Yosef's backpack from his girlfriend's house.
00:16:53I would take the backpack home.
00:16:55All the money he owed the other roommates was inside the backpack.
00:17:00Did he tell the other roommates that he was sending the backpack with their money and at home with you?
00:17:09Yes.
00:17:10So then I met with him in the evening to go to the real estate office.
00:17:19So I knew where it was to pick up the keys the next day.
00:17:23We walked a really long time.
00:17:26I didn't know if he didn't know where the real estate office was or if we were lost.
00:17:35But this was the time before everyone had iPhones.
00:17:39And sometimes that's how we found places was just by walking around until we found it.
00:17:45So he finally showed me where this real estate office was so that I know where to get the keys.
00:17:54Then we went to Yosef's girlfriend's house to get the backpack and all the money that he owed to all the other roommates.
00:18:01And he told me he wanted to treat me to dinner to celebrate the new apartment.
00:18:06I'm like, OK, fine.
00:18:13I was kind of growing to have a better view of him because he was being really nice to me that night.
00:18:20I was in a good place mentally because I was excited about the apartment.
00:18:24And he started ordering drinks.
00:18:27I had never seen him touch alcohol the entire time we lived together for four months.
00:18:35He had three glasses of vodka with orange juice, as did I.
00:18:44So I could tell that he was getting really drunk.
00:18:50I think he was getting liquid courage for what was going to come next.
00:18:56I first met Yosef in October 2010 at the Jungle Marathon in Brazil.
00:19:14I think I was in a bit of a rut in my day-to-day.
00:19:19And I really wanted an adventure.
00:19:27Yosef was very friendly.
00:19:28He ingratiated himself very easily with everyone.
00:19:31He was good fun.
00:19:32He was very helpful.
00:19:34If people had forgotten things, he would put his hand in his bag and give you something you'd forgotten.
00:19:39You very quickly sort of found a sense of trust.
00:19:47During the Jungle Marathon, me and Yosef got to know each other.
00:19:51And after the race, I just happened to mention to Yosef that I'm interested in investing in land and property in Brazil.
00:19:59And Yosef asked if I was interested in looking at some investment land with him to co-invest as a joint venture.
00:20:08Why not?
00:20:09Let's check it out.
00:20:14Neither of us are Brazilians.
00:20:15So we needed someone who knew how the system works, obviously a Brazilian lawyer.
00:20:19And Yosef actually volunteered that he knew a lawyer in Brazil.
00:20:24And I said, okay.
00:20:28We were supposed to meet the lawyer.
00:20:30But Yosef said the lawyer's father was very ill in hospital.
00:20:34So, yeah, he wasn't available.
00:20:37And then Yosef told me his plans to go to Chile the following week.
00:20:42And he said, how about coming with me?
00:20:44There was another race, another ultramarathon in the Atacama Desert in a month's time.
00:20:51And I said, oh, okay.
00:20:52Well, that's an adventure.
00:20:54Why not?
00:20:56I thought that would be exciting to scope out a new race in another country.
00:21:01I was getting a taste for the adventure.
00:21:07I brought with me a sum of money in case there was an opportunity to put down a deposit on something.
00:21:12And how much money was it?
00:21:14Well, I don't think I need to answer that.
00:21:18It was enough for investing in property.
00:21:22And I had to carry it with me when we went to Chile.
00:21:26Was he also aware of this cash?
00:21:29Yes, he was aware of it.
00:21:32We spent a few days in Chile scoping out the Atacama Crossing race.
00:21:37And then I headed home to London.
00:21:40The plan was I would come back to Chile, run the race, and then we'd revisit the issue of property investment at the same time.
00:21:48I thought, well, I don't want to carry a large amount of cash again in case I'm robbed somewhere.
00:21:53I'll just leave the money with Yosef.
00:21:55And he gave me a promissory note for the money.
00:22:00To pay it all back.
00:22:02Let's just sort out that business when I get back.
00:22:05It made sense.
00:22:06I came back to Chile a few days before the Atacama Crossing race and met up with Yosef.
00:22:20We were excited about racing and just enjoying ourselves like we were on holiday before the race started.
00:22:27And we talked about the property and the money, but he said he had the money in the safekeeping and he didn't have it with him.
00:22:39And suddenly I felt unsettled.
00:22:41And then we started the Atacama Crossing race.
00:22:49It's a stage race where you cross a very large distance over six or seven days.
00:22:56I was choking on dust. I found it absolutely horrendous.
00:23:02So it was a bit of a shock to the system, I have to admit.
00:23:04When I was on the way to Chile, I was thinking all the time of Yosef coming at the end of the race like number one.
00:23:14And we are waving with the Palestinian flag.
00:23:16It made it easy for me the whole long travel to Chile.
00:23:21When I landed in the airport, it was the second day of the race.
00:23:27There were members of this Palestinian Federation waiting for me.
00:23:34When me and the other Palestinians reached the hotel, Yosef was there standing waiting for us.
00:23:44And then he told me that he was disqualified again.
00:23:50At this moment, I wanted to strangle him.
00:23:55You brought me all the way from Denmark to Chile to tell me that you are disqualified again.
00:24:04And he said he was disqualified because he got an injury in his leg.
00:24:09Again, in Chile.
00:24:12And then he said, it's the same doctors who were at the race in Brazil.
00:24:16And they are doing this to stop him.
00:24:18And I started to think that there is something wrong.
00:24:22Why is he being disqualified two times?
00:24:28Yosef claimed that they were removing him from the race for racist reasons.
00:24:34And I just had a bad feeling.
00:24:36I felt like I needed to revisit the subject of the money and what are we going to do next.
00:24:40And I thought, I can't enjoy this. I needed to just stop.
00:24:45So when I got to the next checkpoint, I said to the organizers, look, I'm dropping out.
00:24:51I wanted to be done with Yosef and go home.
00:24:55And I realized that it wasn't going to be as straightforward as all that to get the money back.
00:25:00Yosef said, we should not put our heads down.
00:25:04Now we are here together, we have to get the best out of it.
00:25:11And then he said, now we're going out to dinner, all of us.
00:25:15And I was tired and hungry.
00:25:17So I felt, okay, let's go out and eat.
00:25:21So we went out for dinner and that was the first time I met Dominic.
00:25:28The next day we woke up and Yosef planned a lot of activities.
00:25:32We went biking.
00:25:35We went to the Glitchers.
00:25:37After the Glitchers, we went to sandboarding in the desert.
00:25:42We swam in this salt lake and then he took us to this huge dried lake where we could eat and drink and dance.
00:25:51I was so tired, I thought I'm going to die now.
00:25:55And that, when you are so tired, when you are engaged all the time, you don't have time to think, you don't have time to talk.
00:26:03Nobody is talking with anybody about Yosef.
00:26:08I told Yosef, I want my money back, but it was pretty clear to me by this stage that he had no intention to give me back my money.
00:26:20I'm going to go home, I'll cut my losses.
00:26:22I was feeling angry.
00:26:28I just wanted to figure out who Yosef Khater is and what he had been doing.
00:26:34And I wanted to get in contact with Dominic.
00:26:36Because Dominic must know something about Yosef.
00:26:43When I came back to Denmark, I found Dominic on the internet.
00:26:49I was surprised to hear from him that they had also become very suspicious of Yosef's activities.
00:26:56In a way, I was very relieved because it wasn't just me.
00:26:59I told him everything.
00:27:02I thought, you're stupid.
00:27:05How could you give him all that money?
00:27:08And then I realized, I'm also stupid.
00:27:11The Palestinians in Chile are stupid.
00:27:14We, all of us, believed in him.
00:27:17Now it makes sense.
00:27:19It's all about hustling money.
00:27:21And at this moment, I realized that we needed to find out who Yosef Khater really is.
00:27:33So I used the internet.
00:27:35And that's the point where he is stupid.
00:27:40He uses his name.
00:27:42The first thing I found was an article from a Danish local newspaper that wrote about him.
00:27:49It said, in 2009, Yosef cheated over 50 people out of money in a scam for a trip to Dubai.
00:27:59They needed to give the money to Yosef, who would book their tickets.
00:28:04And there were a lot of people who did it.
00:28:07But then, Yosef's apartment burned down with the money in it.
00:28:15And then he moved.
00:28:16I found out that this newspaper was following him.
00:28:22That they had maybe 10 or 12 articles about him.
00:28:27They have been tracking all his hustling.
00:28:30And I realized that when he contacted me, the ground was burning under him.
00:28:40He was trying to get out of Denmark because of a trial that was waiting for him in 2011.
00:28:46I was shocked, you know, it was really, now it was the biggest shock.
00:28:52And actually I got a little bit scared that he had the ability to do all this stuff and get out from it.
00:28:59I am not dealing with a runner anymore. I am dealing with a hustler.
00:29:09And I had to talk with Carlos Medina.
00:29:11I have to talk with Carlos Medina.
00:29:12I was worried about you.
00:29:13He was worried, or we discovered that he had done this crime in Denmark, but we still didn't have it so clear.
00:29:30And then he tells us that there was a very strange situation.
00:29:37After that Joseph had his money, he began to receive mail from a former Brazilian lawyer.
00:29:53He did a simple analysis of the email addresses.
00:30:02And to know approximately where the email was sent.
00:30:06The results came back and showed that he was in the same location in Santiago as Joseph.
00:30:14It was obvious that Joseph had sent us.
00:30:18So I thought his family name, Khater, if they live in Denmark, it must have shown up.
00:30:24So I googled the family name.
00:30:27And there came a lot of links, you know.
00:30:35And then there was a girl name.
00:30:37And I remember he mentioned his sister.
00:30:39So I called her, and I lied to her.
00:30:45I told her that I was a journalist.
00:30:47And I said, do you know, Joseph Khater?
00:30:49And then there was silence.
00:30:51And then she was like, in a very sad voice, said, yeah, he's my brother.
00:30:59And then I couldn't lie anymore.
00:31:01So I said, look, I'm not a journalist.
00:31:03I met your brother, and he hustled me and hustled.
00:31:07And then she started to cry.
00:31:09I just waited.
00:31:10She cried a lot and said, why are you crying?
00:31:12She said, because he had destroyed our family.
00:31:14It's not the first time he do such hustling.
00:31:17And, you know, we have kicked him out.
00:31:30And then I said, your brother destroyed my name and reputation in Chile among the Palestinians.
00:31:38And then she said, Palestinians?
00:31:40But he's not a Palestinian.
00:31:42And I said, what?
00:31:45He said, no, we are not Palestinians.
00:31:49We are Lebanese.
00:31:50And then I realized that he have lied that he were Palestinian to get to my network.
00:32:04I felt stupid again.
00:32:06The whole Palestinian identity he misused.
00:32:09And I felt really, I felt bad about it.
00:32:15Yousef.
00:32:17Yousef.
00:32:18Se aprovechó del entusiasmo que tanto tenÃa Macher.
00:32:22Él podÃa tocar una fibra muy sensible de la comunidad palestina.
00:32:28He knew exactly everyone of us how we felt and what we needed.
00:32:35He's a psychopath.
00:32:37And a psychopath he has the ability to change his face and his language and his mind.
00:32:43He was scared of all of us.
00:32:44And, you know, the famine.
00:32:45And it was almost thirteen.
00:32:46And, you know, he's a secret.
00:32:47And he's the only one you got to think about.
00:32:48And because you know that.
00:32:49You have to have an, you know, and you know,
00:32:50you're not alone.
00:32:51I didn't have any expectations to get the money back.
00:33:21Let's face it, the time had gone by and it wasn't likely to be much left anyway.
00:33:29But at the same time, I thought, well, let's see how he reacts to the whole situation, what he does.
00:33:36I decided to do it.
00:33:39If it stops Yosef from doing something similar to someone else,
00:33:46it felt necessary.
00:33:47I flew back to Chile again.
00:33:58I was nervous that something bad might happen.
00:34:01We were trying to find some way of nailing Yosef.
00:34:06It was insane.
00:34:07We met up the next morning and Yosef told me that the money was in safekeeping with the lawyer.
00:34:17And the lawyer's office is a 10-minute walk.
00:34:20We set off and we were just walking around many streets.
00:34:24We were so far out on the edge of the city and we'd gone up a very long road.
00:34:32And eventually, it was very obvious to me that we weren't heading anywhere in particular.
00:34:38I said, Yosef, where are we?
00:34:40There is no office up here, is there?
00:34:43So give me your phone and let me see the number you're calling and let me speak to the lawyer.
00:34:47And at that point, he got really angry.
00:35:00I remember turning around to walk home.
00:35:04I felt a rush of air above my head.
00:35:10Yosef had taken a swing at me.
00:35:11And I thought, oh my God, he's trying to club me over the head and kill me.
00:35:21I braced myself and I ran straight towards him.
00:35:25And we both went headlong onto the ground.
00:35:29My head whiplashed.
00:35:31I remember seeing the stars.
00:35:33I thought, my God, I hope I don't pass out.
00:35:35It was so shocking and I was really scared because Yosef just tried to kill me.
00:35:43I just thought to myself, if he gets another chance to hit me again and I die, I can't go before my parents.
00:35:55I managed to pick myself up before Yosef.
00:35:57I knew I had to.
00:36:00He'd hit his head and he was really dazed.
00:36:02And I started grappling with him for the stick.
00:36:12A couple of people walked past looking at us like, what the hell's going on?
00:36:17All of a sudden, he caved and he panicked.
00:36:21It was really bizarre.
00:36:23And he then started begging me not to say anything to anybody.
00:36:28I was so rattled, I didn't know what to do with the time.
00:36:31So I bought myself a ticket from Chile, directly to London.
00:36:39Dominic, ya estando en Londres, nos mandó un mail.
00:36:43Donde él detalló todo lo que habÃa pasado en su reunión con Yosef.
00:36:52Y él, a la vez, él estaba alertando al consulado chileno en Londres de que este tipo era peligroso.
00:37:01We never thought that Yosef would be violent or trying to kill someone.
00:37:06Maybe that shows that Yosef was more desperate than ever.
00:37:10I went to the police in London in case someone from Interpol would like to cross-reference in the event that there's some similar kind of case.
00:37:21Of course, I had no idea that four weeks later, Callie would be walking into a similar kind of situation.
00:37:28So at this point in the evening, we had gone to the real estate office, then we went to get the backpack and all the money that he owed.
00:37:41After dinner, he was like, oh, there's this burned down house that I heard has a golden toilet seat in it.
00:37:52And being who I am, I used to go around looking at construction sites all the time and sneaking into places that you don't necessarily need to be.
00:38:02I never expected there to be an actual golden toilet seat.
00:38:06I thought it was just kind of one of those fun little rumors that obviously is not true.
00:38:16And I don't think he was trying to convince me of that for real.
00:38:19I think it was more of just a fun thing to go do a scavenger hunt for.
00:38:25And that night was the first time Yosef and I ever hung out one-on-one.
00:38:35He's very charming.
00:38:37He's very likable for most people.
00:38:46So when we got there, it wasn't actually a house, like Yosef said.
00:38:49It was a tire shop.
00:38:52But it was burned down.
00:38:53And he said, that's where the golden toilet seat is.
00:38:59And there's this piece of corrugated metal covering the entrance.
00:39:03So he kind of shimmied that over, slipped in.
00:39:14All the walls were smeared in this grease and ash.
00:39:23He was looking for the toilet seat.
00:39:25I was just kind of meandering around.
00:39:29And a little later, he found the toilet seat.
00:39:34It was just a regular toilet seat.
00:39:36I was like, okay, mission accomplished.
00:39:39When I turn to leave, I hear from behind, just, hey, Callie.
00:39:48I get hit right here in the head.
00:39:51I fell.
00:39:52And then while I'm on the ground, face up, he jumps on top of me.
00:39:58And he's strangling me, yelling at me.
00:40:02I can't do anything.
00:40:05He's much stronger than I am.
00:40:07It's just total helplessness.
00:40:10Like, once you think you're going to die, it's just kind of this acceptance.
00:40:18And it takes time to make someone unconscious with strangling.
00:40:28That was the worst part, because it's slow.
00:40:32In my mind, I was like, this is, this is how I die.
00:40:37Like, this is, this is how I'm going to go.
00:40:43I don't know how long I was unconscious, but kind of in this dreamlike state.
00:41:05I can hear voices of my parents, my brother, college friends.
00:41:09They were all yelling at me to wake up, and that I needed to get up.
00:41:15But I can't move my body.
00:41:19I just knew it was the scariest fucking thing ever.
00:41:22And all these, my loved ones were telling me that I needed to get up, and I couldn't.
00:41:27But they were all there, in my dream.
00:41:48I ain't talking about this.
00:41:49As I become more conscious, and I found out why I couldn't move, was because he had wrapped
00:42:01me up in a tarp really tightly, and had thrown a whole bunch of ash and dirt on top of me.
00:42:07And by miracle, the seam of the tarp was face up.
00:42:17I was wrapped up so tightly that I had to do my best, you know, just kind of that shimmy shake to get out.
00:42:26My eyes were on fire.
00:42:28My lungs were on fire, because I had inhaled so much motor oil and ash.
00:42:33How long were you in there?
00:42:35I don't know.
00:42:37Could have been 30 minutes, could have been two hours, could have been three hours.
00:42:41I was hit in the head.
00:42:42I was strangled.
00:42:44I didn't have oxygen to my brain.
00:42:50I realized I was, like, pushed into, like, a little closet.
00:42:54Like, wrapped up in a closet with dirt thrown on top of me.
00:42:59He wanted to make sure nobody could find me.
00:43:01Had I died, nobody would have known where I was.
00:43:08He took my ID.
00:43:11So had someone found my body, there would have been no way to identify who I was.
00:43:17I would have just been a dead person they found.
00:43:26I buried you a lot.
00:43:28Yeah.
00:43:28Not deep enough, I guess.
00:43:34It was midnight, and I was in my room.
00:43:38One of my roommates.
00:43:40I think Ed knocked on my door.
00:43:42Yosef was right next to him, and they said, have you seen Callie?
00:43:46We're worried about Callie.
00:43:48Yosef said he gave Callie the money that he owed in the backpack,
00:43:53and that they went their separate ways.
00:43:55He's like, I guess you went out drinking, I don't know.
00:44:03So I walk the two to three blocks down the street to the home.
00:44:08I was using all the walls and the fences for balance.
00:44:14When I got back, Yosef, he's the first person I saw.
00:44:22And he's like, oh, Callie, oh my God, thank God you're here.
00:44:27We were so worried.
00:44:31I was so in shock.
00:44:35She was covered in this mysterious black soot.
00:44:40She couldn't see.
00:44:41She was just stumbling, disoriented.
00:44:46I don't remember all the exact words I said to him,
00:44:49but it was pretty much, how could you do this to me?
00:44:53Why did you do this to me?
00:44:55Get the fuck away from me.
00:44:57And I just, like, beelined it to Molly.
00:45:00Yosef was crying.
00:45:03He was like, oh my gosh, why is she accusing me?
00:45:05Why is she accusing me?
00:45:05I didn't do anything.
00:45:06We noticed that he was more upset that she was accusing him
00:45:12than upset that she was hurt.
00:45:15At that moment, my eyes were just blood red
00:45:19from all the motor oil.
00:45:21It's not just, like, a gross, dirty feeling.
00:45:25It burns.
00:45:27I wanted to clean my eyes.
00:45:29I was like, can you take a shower?
00:45:32I got her to the shower,
00:45:33and then I saw a gash on her head.
00:45:39I didn't know if her skull was cracked.
00:45:42I didn't know if it was brains or what it was.
00:45:45It really scared me.
00:45:47So we stopped taking her shower
00:45:48and made arrangements to get a taxi
00:45:50and to go to the hospital.
00:45:51I had a laceration on my head
00:46:05that I needed stitches for a concussion,
00:46:09corneal abrasions,
00:46:10and I had lesions on my larynx.
00:46:14Every hole in my head,
00:46:16the inside lining was covered in ash and oil.
00:46:20I just wanted to get all of this shit out of my mouth
00:46:25and out of my eyes,
00:46:26but because I started vomiting up blood,
00:46:29I couldn't have water.
00:46:30It was just miserable.
00:46:32Hurt like hell.
00:46:35And Molly stayed with me.
00:46:37Ed stayed with me.
00:46:39Where was he?
00:46:40He was back at the house.
00:46:41I was in the hospital room with her
00:46:45and she started speaking in sentences
00:46:47and said,
00:46:50Yosef attacked me.
00:46:52He strangled me and he tried to kill me.
00:46:55And I believed her immediately.
00:46:57We stayed the night in the hospital
00:47:02and the next morning I filed a police report.
00:47:09And they came over there later and looked at her
00:47:12and they said,
00:47:12oh, the injuries aren't that bad.
00:47:14There's nothing we can do.
00:47:16I don't even think they did any paperwork on it.
00:47:20In retrospect,
00:47:21it seems like he attacked her,
00:47:23he tried to kill her
00:47:24because he wanted to save face
00:47:28with everyone else who he took money from
00:47:30and say,
00:47:32I gave this person the money.
00:47:34Now we don't know where she is.
00:47:35I hope she's okay.
00:47:37But in his mind,
00:47:38hoping that we would never find her.
00:47:39And then after they all went to bed at the house,
00:47:45he had left a message on his wall
00:47:47saying that he was leaving to fly to Denmark
00:47:52because his mother died that morning.
00:48:00At the time,
00:48:02we only thought the story was about us.
00:48:05We didn't know
00:48:07that this story
00:48:10was going to exponentially expand
00:48:12across the globe
00:48:14in a matter of weeks.
00:48:22I got involved in the case
00:48:24only a few days after the attack.
00:48:28Kelly's friends published something
00:48:30about how the police didn't really pay attention
00:48:34or investigate the case.
00:48:37I recently became a lawyer
00:48:38when this happened
00:48:39and I wanted to get more practice
00:48:42to take more cases
00:48:43and this was a particular interesting one
00:48:45because if I was in a different country
00:48:47and something awful
00:48:48like what happened to Cali happened to me,
00:48:50I wish someone would help me.
00:48:53In the Chilean system,
00:48:55you have the prosecutor
00:48:56but also it's possible
00:48:59for the victim to have their own lawyer
00:49:01who helps them to navigate
00:49:04in the very complicated legal system.
00:49:09I met Rosy at a party once before.
00:49:11When she heard about what happened to me,
00:49:13she offered to be my lawyer
00:49:15and thank God.
00:49:19So I called the prosecutor's office
00:49:22to inform that an attempted murder had occurred.
00:49:25I made sure that they started the case.
00:49:29Then we got probable cause for a warrant
00:49:32to arrest him.
00:49:35But by that time, Yusef was gone.
00:49:40In order to make sure
00:49:41that he paid for what he did to Cali,
00:49:43we needed to find Yusef
00:49:45and we needed to find him as soon as possible
00:49:47because it was going to be
00:49:49way more complicated if he left Chile.
00:49:52All we knew is that he left the hostel
00:49:55saying that his mother died,
00:49:57which was probably a lie.
00:50:00At least that is what I thought.
00:50:02But one of the important pieces of information
00:50:05that I was able to gather
00:50:07talking to all the people from the hostel
00:50:09was that Yusef had lost his passport.
00:50:13And probably he didn't have time
00:50:15when he left the hostel.
00:50:16So he was probably desperate
00:50:18to get some money to get a new one
00:50:21that was going to take several days
00:50:23and that was important
00:50:24because we still had time to find him in Chile.
00:50:28We contacted a newspaper
00:50:29that put Cali on the cover
00:50:31with a picture of her showing her red eyes
00:50:35telling that we were looking for this person.
00:50:39Very soon, his picture was all over the media.
00:50:43That was important
00:50:44because Yusef doesn't look like a Chilean person at all.
00:50:47It was going to be easy to recognize him
00:50:50if he was still in Chile.
00:50:52We were scared.
00:50:53We were terrified.
00:50:54We fled Chile.
00:50:55Ed, Cali, and I decided we would each,
00:50:57we would all go back home.
00:50:59This killer was on the loose
00:51:01and not caught.
00:51:09Carlos Medina wrote to me
00:51:11that Yusef is back in action again
00:51:15and he tried to kill an American girl.
00:51:20Bueno, yo cuando vi la historia
00:51:21de qué habÃa pasado con Yusef y Cali
00:51:25en el diario,
00:51:27eso me motivó.
00:51:30Carlos told me
00:51:31that everybody was working now
00:51:33hard to find him
00:51:35because he had to be stopped.
00:51:38Escribà en los comentarios del diario
00:51:42que este es un tipo muy peligroso
00:51:44que hay que tener cuidado
00:51:45y que si necesitaba más información
00:51:47me podÃan contactar.
00:51:53Y ahà RocÃo también me contestó.
00:51:58Ahà le empecé a conversar
00:52:00de que nos reuniéramos
00:52:02para yo darle más información
00:52:03sobre Yusef.
00:52:04Y ahà yo le conté
00:52:08toda la historia
00:52:08de qué habÃa pasado con Yusef
00:52:10antes de que
00:52:12casi matara a Cali.
00:52:14The first thing
00:52:16that I realized
00:52:17is the attack on Dominic
00:52:18was not so different
00:52:20from the attack
00:52:22to Cali.
00:52:26I mean,
00:52:27he was going
00:52:28maybe to kill him.
00:52:34We came up with the idea
00:52:46of offering money
00:52:47to Yusef.
00:52:48We knew that
00:52:49he was probably desperate
00:52:50to get some money
00:52:51to leave Chile.
00:52:54We spent several days
00:52:56just gathering information.
00:52:58We tried to find
00:52:59someone who Yusef trusted in
00:53:02to offer money to him.
00:53:05And I met
00:53:06this woman
00:53:07who was friends
00:53:08with Yusef.
00:53:10And she was willing
00:53:12to help us set a trap
00:53:13to catch Yusef.
00:53:18He was desperate.
00:53:19He didn't have time
00:53:20when he left the hostel.
00:53:22So he asked her
00:53:24for a lot of money.
00:53:26What we wanted to do
00:53:27is to make sure
00:53:28that Yusef was
00:53:30in a certain place
00:53:31and time
00:53:32so we can call the police
00:53:33and they can arrest him.
00:53:36I was telling about
00:53:37all of this
00:53:38to the police
00:53:38so they know
00:53:39what we were doing.
00:53:42But Yusef
00:53:43wasn't sloppy at all.
00:53:45He took one last precaution
00:53:48that almost blew
00:53:49the entire plan.
00:53:50He contacted the woman
00:53:54and told her
00:53:55that he didn't have
00:53:56his passport.
00:53:58Since he didn't have
00:53:59a passport
00:54:00they wouldn't give him
00:54:01the money
00:54:02so she needed
00:54:04to send the money
00:54:05to a different person.
00:54:07It turned out
00:54:08to be a very young
00:54:10Chinese guy
00:54:11living in Chile
00:54:12who we never heard about.
00:54:18The woman
00:54:19wired him
00:54:20the money
00:54:21and then
00:54:23I informed the police
00:54:24and Chiamin Lin
00:54:26went to pick up the money
00:54:28and the police
00:54:31saw that Chiamin Lin
00:54:33was inside a car
00:54:34outside the office
00:54:35and another male
00:54:37was sitting
00:54:37inside the car
00:54:38with him.
00:54:40Chiamin Lin
00:54:41collected the money
00:54:42then he left the office.
00:54:45He walked to Yusef
00:54:46who was waiting for him.
00:54:49That is where the police
00:54:51came and arrested Yusef.
00:54:56And at that moment
00:54:57they caught him
00:54:58almost like a movie.
00:55:00It was two days
00:55:06before my birthday
00:55:07and Rocio
00:55:08sent me an email
00:55:10and it just said
00:55:11we got him
00:55:11in all caps
00:55:13and I said
00:55:13fuck yeah
00:55:14and then she said
00:55:15happy birthday.
00:55:18Still the best birthday present.
00:55:21And in June 2012
00:55:23he had his trial.
00:55:28At first
00:55:29when he came in
00:55:30I was just trying
00:55:32to keep my composure
00:55:33and not freak out
00:55:35and run out of the room.
00:55:36Yeah it was hard
00:55:40seeing him.
00:55:44So
00:55:45it was
00:55:46a long debate
00:55:47to convince the judge
00:55:48that there's enough evidence
00:55:50to make a case
00:55:51against him.
00:55:55But in the end
00:55:56the judge
00:55:56found him guilty
00:55:57for the attempted
00:55:58murder of Kelly
00:55:59and Yusef Carter
00:56:02was sentenced
00:56:03to a prison
00:56:04for 600 days.
00:56:09I don't know
00:56:10the sentences
00:56:10in the United States
00:56:12for attempted murder
00:56:14but
00:56:15less than two years
00:56:17seems
00:56:18egregiously low.
00:56:21Las penas
00:56:22son bastante bajas
00:56:23acá en Chile.
00:56:25Alguien que
00:56:25comete un homicidio
00:56:27frustrado
00:56:27no va a estar
00:56:28más de dos años
00:56:28en la cárcel.
00:56:29As he was
00:56:31being led out
00:56:33he winked at me.
00:56:40It would have
00:56:41been impossible
00:56:42for me
00:56:42to have
00:56:44had any
00:56:45semblance
00:56:46of justice
00:56:47600 days
00:56:49without Rocio.
00:56:53She's
00:56:54my hero
00:56:55for the rest
00:56:56of my life.
00:56:57I can't
00:56:58thank her
00:56:59enough
00:56:59enough
00:56:59for how much
00:57:01effort
00:57:01and hard work
00:57:02she put into
00:57:03getting this guy
00:57:05caught.
00:57:05She didn't have
00:57:06to do any of that.
00:57:08What was
00:57:08especially interesting
00:57:09about this guy
00:57:10is that
00:57:11there were people
00:57:12from all over the world
00:57:14who didn't
00:57:16meet each other
00:57:17before
00:57:18just working
00:57:18for the same
00:57:19purpose
00:57:20to stop
00:57:21use of
00:57:21color.
00:57:24But
00:57:25many victims
00:57:27of fraud
00:57:28and cons,
00:57:29they feel stupid,
00:57:30they feel like
00:57:31they fail
00:57:32and they
00:57:32shouldn't.
00:57:33We want to
00:57:35trust,
00:57:35yes,
00:57:36because
00:57:36imagine,
00:57:37if you're
00:57:38in your daily life
00:57:40disconfiting
00:57:40everyone,
00:57:41you can't live
00:57:42like that.
00:57:42I definitely
00:57:46enter relationships
00:57:48from a different
00:57:51perspective now.
00:57:52How do you recover?
00:57:54Probably,
00:57:55I'd say overall,
00:57:57yes,
00:57:57but there's
00:57:57definitely
00:57:58residual effects
00:57:59that I need
00:58:01to deal with.
00:58:03I have been
00:58:04diagnosed with
00:58:04PTSD.
00:58:06What would normally
00:58:07be a stressor
00:58:08of level 2
00:58:09out of 10,
00:58:10it just goes
00:58:11to 10.
00:58:13And I can't
00:58:13explain why.
00:58:16I get startled
00:58:17a lot more easily.
00:58:18I hate it
00:58:18when people walk
00:58:19behind me.
00:58:19I don't like
00:58:20looking at people
00:58:20with thick eyebrows.
00:58:24And there's
00:58:25probably a lot
00:58:25more that I
00:58:26don't even know.
00:58:35It could be worse.
00:58:36It could be a lot
00:58:37worse.
00:58:38It could be dead.
00:58:41Once something
00:58:42like this happens
00:58:44to you
00:58:45and you have
00:58:46any power
00:58:47at all
00:58:47to tell
00:58:50other people
00:58:51about it
00:58:51so that it
00:58:52doesn't happen
00:58:52to them,
00:58:54then
00:58:54that's your
00:58:55fucking
00:58:55responsibility.
00:58:59After Yosef
00:59:00was released
00:59:00from prison
00:59:01in Chile,
00:59:03he was deported
00:59:04back to Denmark
00:59:04where he was
00:59:05arrested for
00:59:06various crimes
00:59:07he'd committed
00:59:08years before.
00:59:11When he got
00:59:12out of jail
00:59:13in Denmark,
00:59:14he left again.
00:59:18And he ended
00:59:19up in Costa Rica.
00:59:20in Costa Rica,
00:59:25Yosef was doing
00:59:27some sort of scam
00:59:28to do with cell
00:59:29phones.
00:59:31He was arrested
00:59:33there for that,
00:59:34but they let him
00:59:37go because I guess
00:59:39there wasn't enough
00:59:39evidence.
00:59:41I found out he was
00:59:42in Costa Rica
00:59:43committing crimes
00:59:44because Carlos
00:59:46started a blog
00:59:48that is all
00:59:50about Yosef.
00:59:52It has every article
00:59:53about me,
00:59:55about his
00:59:56Danish crimes
00:59:57and Costa Rica.
01:00:02When I saw
01:00:02this news
01:00:03in Costa Rica,
01:00:06that motivated me
01:00:07that this had to stop
01:00:08and I had to do
01:00:10something
01:00:10to stop it.
01:00:11And then I realized
01:00:12that the idea
01:00:13of the blog.
01:00:13It was important
01:00:15to warn people
01:00:16about this person
01:00:17because Yosef
01:00:22is still out there.
01:00:27Would Yosef
01:00:28ever stop?
01:00:29No,
01:00:30I don't think so.
01:00:32Where is Yosef
01:00:34now?
01:00:35Where is it now?
01:00:37There hasn't been
01:00:38a rock bottom for him.
01:00:39He's still surviving.
01:00:40He's still scamming.
01:00:41It's working.
01:00:42It's not not working.
01:00:44This is not
01:00:46a person
01:00:46that you can trust.
01:00:48And this is not
01:00:48the person
01:00:49that you want
01:00:49inside your house.
01:00:51You just
01:00:52don't want
01:00:53anything to do
01:00:54with Yosef
01:00:55got it.
01:00:56It's not over
01:00:57yet.
01:00:58It's still
01:00:58happening
01:01:00somewhere.
01:01:01We don't know where.
01:01:13It's not over