Duterte Arrest: As the ICC’s arrest case against former President Rodrigo Duterte escalates, the Philippine Senate launches a high-stakes hearing. Senator Imee Marcos takes center stage, grilling key Cabinet ministers on their stance and involvement. Tensions rise within the administration as the country awaits a pivotal decision that could shape the future of Philippine democracy, international law, and Duterte’s legacy.
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00:00Arresting the President or the former President is not a quintessential and non-delegable power of the President.
00:08Diba? Yun ang maliwanag sa Senate v. Ermita.
00:12Wala namang information that's not available elsewhere.
00:17Kasi pinag-usapan na ni General Torre na nautusan siya ni Chief PNP.
00:22So, ano yung problema sa executive privilege dito?
00:26Hindi naman kayo military o diplomatic corps, hindi naman diplomatic communications to na Pilipinas at ICC.
00:33Wala namang kaming tinatanong sa ganun.
00:36Bakit hindi masagot yan?
00:39Maliwarag naman po yung Supreme Court at may limitasyon naman yung executive privilege.
00:45Tinatanong lang, sino nag-utos pa pa?
00:47Kasi nandun ka mula pa sa aeroplano hanggang sa The Hague, two days after pa.
00:52Pwede nyo yung sagutin yung tinatanong ni Ambassador Delgra.
00:57Alam mo naman eh, hindi mo kailangan ng certification.
00:59Hindi ka naman kinakailangan mag-antay pa eh.
01:04Nung tinurn over ko po, yung certification, may communication na po kami.
01:09Yung certification, yun nga lang ho, nagkakaroon ho ng delay na ma-receive ko.
01:12Certification ang pinag-uusapan mo.
01:14Yung pinirmahan mo, Competent National Judicial Authority.
01:18Hindi nga dinala sa husgadong Pilipino eh.
01:20Alam mo naman yun eh.
01:22Kasama ka all along eh.
01:24Oversee nga ang ginagawa mo.
01:26Di alam mo lahat.
01:29Madam Chair, may follow up with that question?
01:35Salamat, nagtitiisan tayo.
01:37Si Asik Miko Clavano sinabi nung March 13,
01:40ang naging role namin ay National Competent Judicial Authority
01:45to attest na lahat ng proper processes ay ginawa.
01:48Paano naman nangyari yun?
01:50That's the certification that we made,
01:53which was acceptable to the ICC,
01:55because under their system,
01:57the prosecutor general is part of the court.
02:02It's part of the ICC, but it's hardly a Filipino court.
02:06It's hardly a national court, Secretary.
02:08It's an equivalent to them.
02:09For them, it's equivalent.
02:11That's why they accepted,
02:13if they accepted the turnover of the president...
02:15The equivalent is not the same po.
02:17It's not the same,
02:18but it was acceptable to them
02:20because that's how their system works.
02:22Okay, let's now delve deeper into the circumstances
02:29surrounding the arrest.
02:30I give up falsehood upon falsehood.
02:34General Torre,
02:35when were you assigned as the head of the CIDG?
02:39Dahil na, naalala ko,
02:41inaresto po ninyo si Pastor Kibuloy,
02:43August 24,
02:44tapos napromote kayo.
02:46Pero by the way, congratulations,
02:48napromote pala kayo.
02:49So, wala pang isang buwan,
02:52napromote kayo ulit.
02:54At napunta kayo sa CIDG 2024,
02:59di po ba?
03:00Isang buwan after the Kibuloy arrest.
03:02Tama po ba?
03:04Yes, ma'am.
03:06And you were assigned to the CIDG specifically.
03:10What would you say are the main mandates of the CIDG?
03:17Anong mission nito?
03:19We're the lead investigating unit of the PNP
03:23on matters delving on major crimes
03:27and those involving economic sabotage
03:32and other sensational cases
03:36that may be assigned by the chief
03:38of the Philippine National Police.
03:39So, to reiterate,
03:42it's monitoring, investigation,
03:44and prosecution of all crimes
03:46related to economic sabotage
03:48and other crimes
03:49of such magnitude
03:50to the extent that their commission
03:52by highly placed
03:53or professional criminal syndicates
03:56are involved.
03:57Tama po ba yun?
03:58Yes, ma'am.
03:58Is your mission in that?
03:59That's the general mission, ma'am.
04:00Yes.
04:01And part of the CIDGG mission as well
04:03is to investigate major violations
04:05of the revised penal code, right?
04:07Yes, ma'am.
04:08Okay.
04:08So, the CIDGG is largely
04:13the elite investigation arm
04:15of the PNP.
04:16Is that correct?
04:17Yes, ma'am.
04:17Criminal Investigation
04:18and Detection Group.
04:19Tama?
04:20Yes, ma'am.
04:20Kung ganun,
04:22yung pag-a-arresto
04:23ng high-profile persons
04:25katulad ni PRRD
04:26kasama sa core function ninyo?
04:29Investigation pa rin ba yun?
04:32Implementation of warrants
04:33is part of the CIDG's mandate, ma'am.
04:35Yes, but it's the after effect.
04:37It's not the core function.
04:39Bakit kayo naging lead?
04:41Kitang-kita naman
04:42noong March 11,
04:44not only was the CIDG
04:45involved in the arrest,
04:47kayo pa rin yung lead
04:48sa operation.
04:49We can clearly see
04:51na kayo ang pinakamataas.
04:53You were the highest ranking
04:54member of the PNP
04:56in many of the videos.
04:58I was directed by the chief
05:00of the Philippine National Police, ma'am.
05:02Yes, perhaps
05:03our chief PNP can explain
05:06bakit yung CIDG
05:08ang naging lead
05:09e samantalang investigation
05:11ang dapat na mission nila.
05:14Ma'am, I just want to
05:15sa background po natin.
05:17Yung sa PNP po,
05:19ang Interpol PCTC
05:20have to
05:21ang dalawa lang po
05:22yung pinapadala niya.
05:23Pagka dun sa PNP po,
05:25ang main task po namin
05:26pagka PCTC
05:27ay CIDG
05:28ang sa NBI naman,
05:29NBI Interpol.
05:31So usually,
05:31pag kami request po
05:32ang PCTC,
05:33ang pinakadiretso po namin
05:35is CIDG,
05:36not any other unit
05:37when it comes to arrest po.
05:38Pero you had the choice, ano?
05:44Madam Jim?
05:45Hindi naman lagi
05:45si CIDG
05:46nag-aaresto
05:47nitong
05:48mga
05:49high-profile
05:51personalities.
05:53Wala naman akong
05:53nakikita
05:54ang CIDG
05:55sa TV
05:55pag nakikita
05:56yung iba't ibang krimen.
05:58Hindi naman lagi sila e.
05:59Ma'am,
06:00when it comes to
06:00the request
06:01of the PCTC,
06:02ang tasking po
06:03is always
06:03sa CIDG po.
06:05Yun po yung ano natin
06:06sa PCTC.
06:07Ang binanggit ni
06:08Executive Director
06:10ay yung NBI.
06:12Wala siyang binanggit
06:13na CIDG.
06:15Ma'am,
06:15when it comes to
06:16the PNP,
06:16ang PNP po
06:17ang automatic po namin.
06:18For me,
06:19I always test
06:20the CIDG po
06:21when it comes to
06:22Interpol matters po.
06:23So it's in fact
06:24your choice.
06:25General Torre
06:26is a trusted
06:27and competent
06:29general
06:30and that's the reason
06:31you chose him.
06:32No ma'am,
06:33for me,
06:34it's always
06:34the CIDG
06:35when it comes to
06:36yung mga
06:36national po
06:37ng huli po.
06:39Yes,
06:39Senator Bato,
06:40please.
06:40Thank you,
06:41Madam Chair.
06:44General Marbel,
06:47kung si General Torre
06:48ang pinapa-operate mo
06:49doon,
06:52ibig mag sabihin
06:53na lahat
06:53ng actions niya,
06:55lahat ng ginawa niya
06:56ay sanction mo?
06:59Opo.
07:00It's under po
07:01ng Philippine National Police
07:02po yan.
07:03So lahat
07:03ng ginawa niya,
07:05sagot mo?
07:07Yes,
07:07sir.
07:07Opo.
07:09That's the
07:10CPNP
07:10that I would like
07:12to believe.
07:15Whatever your people
07:16does
07:17or fail to do,
07:20sagot mo.
07:22Diba?
07:22I just want to clarify,
07:25no?
07:25Ang sinasabi po natin,
07:27all legal po,
07:28ang sinasabi lang,
07:29we're just assisting
07:29po yung PCTC.
07:30That's reasonable po
07:32na ang request
07:32is coming from PCTC.
07:33I'm not referring to PCTC
07:35anymore,
07:35sa kabuuhan
07:37ng operasyon.
07:39Dito po sa
07:40Philippine National Police,
07:41lahat po ng
07:41action ng Philippine National
07:43under po sa atin,
07:44it's all legal po.
07:45When it comes to illegal,
07:46meron naman po kami
07:47mga ginagwa po
07:48diyan.
07:49Hindi ko na sinabi
07:51illegal.
07:52Akin lang,
07:52basta yung ginawa
07:53ng tao mo,
07:54sagot mo.
07:55Dahil ikaw ang
07:55CPNP.
07:56Dapat gano'n.
07:57Yan man talaga
07:58ang kukuhan natin,
08:00trabaho natin.
08:01Sagot ko kayo lahat
08:02dahil
08:02you are carrying out
08:04my orders.
08:06Yes, sir.
08:06Tama po yan.
08:07Kasi ang mandate po
08:08ng CID is really
08:09to effect po
08:10yung mga waran
08:11sa Farespo.
08:11Okay.
08:12Just for the record.
08:13Just for the record,
08:14Madam Chair.
08:16Yes, maraming salamat.
08:17At palibasa
08:18in-assign nga
08:19ni Chief PNP
08:21si General Torre
08:22bilang lead
08:23ng pag-aaresto
08:25kay former President.
08:27Masasabi ba natin
08:28na yung aresto
08:28ni PRRD
08:29ay CIDG operation?
08:34It's a PCT
08:35operation, ma'am,
08:36requested to the
08:37Philippine National Police.
08:39Pero kayo
08:39ang lead.
08:41So ikaw
08:41ang masasabi natin.
08:43Kitang-kita
08:44naman dun sa video
08:45kayo nagmamando
08:46sangkatutak
08:47yung polis
08:48pero kayo
08:48yung pinakamataas
08:49ang ranggo
08:50pagkatapos
08:51e talagang
08:52CIDG operation
08:53ng labas.
08:54Tama ba yun?
08:54Sa level, ma'am,
08:55ng implementation
08:56ng orders
08:57pagbigay ng mission
08:58that is
09:00led by me,
09:02supported by
09:03the other
09:03units of the
09:04Philippine National Police
09:05as directed by
09:06the Chief
09:07of the Philippine
09:07National Police.
09:08That's right.
09:08But I did not see
09:09any other
09:10higher-ranking
09:12generals
09:12than you.
09:13You were
09:13the only one
09:14there.
09:14You were
09:14clearly the
09:15one leading
09:16the pact
09:16and determining
09:18what would
09:18happen next.
09:20CIDG, ano?
09:21Kasi sinabi nga
09:22dito sa interview
09:24na pinanood natin
09:25na alam na ninyo
09:27na meron kayong
09:30papel sa pag-aaresto.
09:32Masasabi ba ninyo
09:33na well-planned
09:34itong arrest?
09:35Kasi it was planned
09:37weeks in advance.
09:38May nakita tayo
09:39dito na naabutan
09:41na ninyo,
09:42matagal ng plano yan.
09:43Pwede ba nating
09:45paliwanag itong
09:46statement po ninyo,
09:47anticipation?
09:48Kasi yan ang
09:50actually pagdating ko,
09:52may plano na.
09:53Anticipation
09:54ang warrant.
09:55Sabi ninyo
09:56pagdating nyo.
09:57So dumating kayo
09:58mga bandang September,
09:59meron na yan.
10:01Ma'am, maraming salamat
10:03talaga sa tanong na yan.
10:04For me to clarify
10:05that statement
10:06na nati-twist na
10:07sa social media.
10:09That interview
10:09is made
10:10from the context
10:11of the chief
10:13of the CIDG.
10:14Isang part lamang
10:15ng PNP,
10:16maliit lang akong
10:17parte ng PNP,
10:19na may sariling
10:19mandato.
10:20Kaya tumatakbo sa akin,
10:22ma'am, yung crisis.
10:23Palaging tumatakbo
10:23dyan,
10:24bilang operations officer,
10:26bilang commander,
10:27yung four piece
10:28of contingency planning.
10:30Predict,
10:32prevent,
10:33prepare,
10:33perform.
10:35Palaging may plano.
10:36Dahil,
10:36nagbabasa ako ng dyaryo,
10:39ito, may possibility
10:40na lalabas ang mga to.
10:41So,
10:41naghahanda ako
10:42na pag inutusan ako
10:43ng CPNP,
10:44hindi ako magsimula
10:45sa zero.
10:46So,
10:46it's not about anything,
10:48about sinister
10:49or anything,
10:50but it's just
10:51part of my job
10:52to plan for it.
10:53So,
10:54ano ang mga dapat
10:55pag may lumabas sa,
10:56may mga wanted person,
10:57in-anticipate natin
10:58lalabas ang waran?
10:59So,
10:59hindi pa dumarating
11:00yung diffusion notice
11:02noong March 11,
11:03may plano ka na?
11:04Hindi ko po dinitinayan ma'am.
11:06Part ng aking trabaho
11:06ang mag-prepare
11:07ng contingencies
11:08para pag-notusan ako.
11:09Nakaredy po,
11:10yan ma'am.
11:10At meron kang interview,
11:12sinabi nga
11:13na January 2025,
11:16nagkumpuni ka na
11:16ng secret 80-page plan
11:18na ang tawag
11:20operation pursuit
11:22ng New York Times,
11:23ang pagkaintindi natin
11:24o plan to gish.
11:26Tama ba yun?
11:27Wala po akong sinabing
11:28ganyan ma'am.
11:28Kung sino man ang source niyan,
11:30I'm not very sure about it.
11:32Lumabas sa lahat ng media,
11:33sa GMA,
11:34pati New York Times,
11:35sinabi.
11:36Pwede po natin makita ma'am?
11:38Kung impossible?
11:38Hindi ko alam.
11:39Yan lang ang nabasa ko,
11:41katulad ng marami.
11:43Operation pursuit,
11:44tapos translate
11:45o plan to gish.
11:46Okay,
11:46may pangalan ba ako
11:47na naging source ma'am
11:48kung pwede ko makita?
11:49Kasi,
11:50until this point,
11:51gusto ko rin po ma'am
11:52marami salamat
11:53sa pag-clarify nito.
11:55Gusto ko sana makita ma'am
11:56yung pangalan ko talaga.
11:57Ang sinabi,
11:57ang PNP,
11:59ang nagplano na
12:00ng isang
12:02off-land 2 gish.
12:03I'm just one of the...
12:05Napakahaba na...
12:06Iyon na ma'am.
12:06I'm just one of the 220...
12:07Unfortunately,
12:08I'm just one of the 220,000
12:10policemen of the PNP right now.
12:12Kung sino source nila,
12:13gusto ko sana nga makita ma'am
12:14na ang pangalan ko talaga
12:15is nandyan.
12:16Na sinabi ko yan.
12:17Kasi,
12:18na-attribute sa akin yan ma'am eh.
12:19Kaya,
12:19I'm really thankful
12:20at this opportunity
12:21to clear that...
12:23Yes,
12:23Senator Bato.
12:24How about that,
12:26Chief PNP?
12:26Hindi kayo source yan?
12:27Yeah,
12:28sabi kasi si PNP Chief Marville
12:31inutusan si General Torre
12:33na ilalagay si Presidente Duterte
12:36under police custody
12:38as soon as the ICC
12:40issues the arrest warrant.
12:42Mamala po kaming ganyan
12:45at hindi ko po nakita
12:47yung offline tugis
12:48na sinasabi nyo ngayon.
12:51So,
12:51ibig sabihin yung New York Times,
12:53lahat ng local media,
12:54sinungaling?
12:55Okay lang.
12:56I mean,
12:56sabihin lang natin
12:57alin yung totoo,
12:58alin yung hindi
12:58para maliwanagan kami.
13:00Madam Chair,
13:01mas naniniwala ako sa kanila
13:03pag sinabi nila yan
13:04kaysa dyan sa mga
13:05lumalabas na balita.
13:07Kapag sinabi nila na
13:08hindi silang source,
13:11naniniwala ako.
13:12Okay,
13:12paniwalaan natin.
13:13Tama naman.
13:14Dapat paniwalaan
13:15ng kapulisan.
13:16Meron ba kayong
13:17memorandum,
13:18document,
13:19outline
13:20tungkol dito
13:21sa aresto
13:22ng March 10
13:24or March 11
13:25bago pa dumating
13:26yung warrant?
13:27Meron na ba kayong plano?
13:28Kasi sabi nga ninyo,
13:29General Torre,
13:30lagi kayong naghahanda
13:31for any eventuality.
13:33Crisis management nga naman.
13:36For the specific
13:37yung March 11,
13:39ma'am,
13:39wala talagang
13:42pre-planned
13:43na sinasabing
13:44itong specific.
13:45On the fly
13:46ngayon ma'am
13:46na ginawa ma'am.
13:47So everything
13:48that was done there,
13:50based on the contingencies,
13:51meron tayong mga
13:52may
13:54situation analysis,
13:57may...
13:58Pero sinabi rin ninyo,
13:59matagal
13:59ng plano yan.
14:00Yes ma'am.
14:01Naabutan ko na yan.
14:03Pagdating ko,
14:04meron na yan.
14:05Anticipation na kami.
14:07Actually ma'am,
14:07yung mga
14:08ang pinaka-mother of line
14:09yan ma'am,
14:09baka kasi
14:10yung pursuit na yan,
14:12hindi tugis
14:12na pinagsimulan,
14:13baka manhunt.
14:14Kaya pursuit,
14:15baka manhunt yung
14:16manhunt Charlie natin
14:17na mayroong ganyan
14:18ang PNP.
14:19The accounting
14:19of wanted persons.
14:21Hindi po,
14:21General Torre,
14:22kasi may PNP
14:23memos for deployment.
14:25Pinirmahan
14:25ni Chief PNP
14:26Marville,
14:27March 10 pa lang.
14:28Wala pang arrest warrant,
14:30magde-deploy na tayo
14:31ng kapulisan sa NCR
14:33at pati na rin
14:34sa Dabao.
14:35Di ba,
14:36may memo tayo,
14:36pinakita natin
14:37nung first hearing.
14:39Yes,
14:40Chief Marville,
14:41please.
14:43Ma'am,
14:43that's a regular
14:44deployment po
14:45yung pinapadala po natin.
14:46Yun po yung
14:47ano natin.
14:51Bakit kayo
14:52nagde-deploy?
14:53Wala pang warrant?
14:58There is,
15:08ma'am,
15:08there is part of,
15:09that's already part
15:10of the contingencies.
15:11Kasi,
15:12hindi naman natin
15:13madi-deny na
15:14napaka-high profile
15:15ni PRRD.
15:17Ito na nga,
15:17may preparation
15:18na may probability
15:19na lalabas
15:20itong order na to.
15:21On my part,
15:22lalabas ang order na to.
15:23Pero sabi,
15:24noong unang hearing
15:25ni Secretary John Vick
15:27na chismis lang naman,
15:28magde-deploy ka
15:29sa chismis lamang?
15:33There's really no harm
15:33in erring
15:35on the side of caution,
15:36ma'am.
15:36Palaging ganyan,
15:37prevent
15:38after the prediction.
15:41We prevent whatever.
15:43Kaya palaging
15:44predict yan
15:44ang scanning
15:46the operational environment,
15:48threat assessments,
15:50preparation IPV.
15:51So,
15:51pero sinabi mo,
15:53matagal ng plano yan.
15:54Alin ba talaga?
15:55The contingencies
15:56are there, ma'am.
15:57Hindi na sinasabing
15:58wala talaga kaming alam
15:59at wala kaming pinaghahandaan.
16:01May contingencies
16:02tayo, ma'am.
16:03So, it's always there.
16:04So, you're saying
16:05that it was just
16:06general contingency planning.
16:09Yes, ma'am.
16:09No specific incident
16:11was anticipated.
16:13Although,
16:13sinabi rin ninyo,
16:14anticipation ko na yan.
16:16Anticipation ng warrant
16:21ng ICC,
16:22that's very specific po.
16:24Ma'am.
16:24Hindi siya generic
16:26contingency planning.
16:28Part noong
16:28aking trabaho
16:30na ma'am yan,
16:30nakita ko na,
16:32sabi ko,
16:32nako,
16:33paano pag
16:34nautusan ako bigla,
16:36lumabas ang warrant
16:36at i-implement ito
16:38nasa Hong Kong
16:39ang ating subject.
16:40So,
16:41that's all part
16:42of the anticipation
16:43already.
16:43So, in fact,
16:44there was a plan.
16:45Ma'am?
16:46So, in fact,
16:46there was a plan.
16:47Kasi nag-anticipate na kayo
16:49na makakaroon ng warrant.
16:51Ina-adjust natin
16:51ang contingencies, ma'am.
16:53Ina-adjust ko
16:54ang contingencies
16:54so that
16:55pagdating ng specific
16:56na order sa akin.
16:57Kayo lang ang nagplano
16:58mag-isa
16:58sa buong PNP.
17:00I'm the head
17:01of the CIDG, ma'am.
17:02Pero kayo lang
17:02ang nagplano
17:03ng operation.
17:04I have 2,000 people
17:04under me.
17:06I understand, general.
17:08And we respect
17:09the CIDG
17:10for its outstanding
17:11track record.
17:12Kaya lang,
17:13tinatanong ko lang,
17:15kasi sinabi ninyo
17:16na iba-ibang grupo
17:18ang nagkumpunin
17:19ng task force
17:21o kung ano man
17:21ang tawag doon
17:22na iba-ibang bahagi
17:24ng PNP,
17:25hindi lang naman
17:25CIDG
17:26kasi ayaw ninyong
17:27tawagin ng CIDG
17:28operation.
17:29Sino-sino pa
17:30ang kasama
17:31sa planning
17:32dito sa anticipation
17:34ng ICC warrant?
17:35Thank you very much
17:39for the praises
17:39to the CIDG, ma'am.
17:40First and foremost,
17:41ako rin, ma'am,
17:43ang naglabas
17:44ng mga request
17:45na ito po
17:46ang mga components
17:46na kailangan,
17:48ang mga makakailangan ko
17:49at ma-engage
17:50just in case
17:51na ito ay mag-
17:53it will come down.
17:54So, if you have seen,
17:56meron doon
17:56mga special action force
17:58kasi nga
17:59ni-request ko
18:00ang mga ngayon.
18:01I requested them
18:02through the chief PNP.
18:03Sir, I needed
18:04special action force.
18:05I also need
18:05the NCRPO
18:06to stand by on alert
18:07na ang kanilang mga
18:09civil disturbance management
18:10ay mag-ready rin
18:11just in case
18:12na magkaroon ng mga rally,
18:13magkaroon ng mga
18:14mass movements,
18:15ready rin kami mag-
18:16So, kahit pa pano,
18:17hindi totoo na walang plano
18:19kasi may anticipation ka na eh.
18:21At saka nananawagan ka
18:22sa iba-ibang tropa?
18:24Definitely.
18:24We are denying
18:25that plan
18:26from the context
18:27of being sinister
18:28and really plotting
18:29against the former president.
18:31It's not like that.
18:32We are just making sure
18:33that the PNP
18:34will be
18:35up to its mandate
18:37of protecting
18:37the peace and order
18:39and the well-being
18:40of the citizens
18:41even though
18:42this
18:43an event
18:45as controversial
18:45as this
18:46goes down.
18:47So, Chief Marville,
18:48tama ba
18:49in-authorize ninyo
18:50na tawagan yung
18:52iba't-ibang pangkat
18:53ng PNP?
18:54Si General Torre,
18:55siya nang namahala
18:56ng lahat.
18:58Ma'am,
18:59ako po ang
18:59in-charge po
19:00ng Philippine National.
19:01I just ordered
19:03General Torre
19:04to prepare
19:04yung po yung contingency
19:06natin
19:06kasi we heard
19:07from the news
19:08coming from the former
19:08president
19:09that there will be
19:10an ICC.
19:10Pero iba-iba-iba
19:12na yung
19:12mga grupo
19:14na tinatawagan niya
19:15hindi na
19:15CIGG lang.
19:17That's
19:18ma'am,
19:18dun sa atin
19:18sa ano natin
19:19na mayroon po
19:20yung power
19:20ng CIGG
19:21that's really
19:22to help
19:23from other units po.
19:24Okay naman po
19:25sa Philippine National
19:26points po yan.
19:28Okay,
19:28eto naman tayo
19:30sa mga nangyari
19:32dun sa
19:32Bilya Mornan
19:33sa 250th.
19:34Ano na
19:35ang nangyari
19:36dun?
19:36Gusto lang
19:37natin malaman
19:38at
19:39itatanong
19:41kung
19:41anong nangyari
19:42dahil
19:43nandito na tayo
19:44no?
19:45Umabot na tayo
19:46sa Bilya Mornan.
19:47Was there a time
19:48na may binantaan ka
19:50o tinakot
19:51o pinagsabihan
19:53kung sino man dun?
19:55To your mind,
19:57to your mind,
19:58General Torre,
19:58you are empowered
19:59by law
20:00to release
20:01an arrested person
20:02without any order
20:03of any court.
20:04You are given
20:04the authority
20:05to arrest the person,
20:06release him
20:07kung gusto mo.
20:09Basta ikaw
20:10ang magdidiskarte.
20:11Ganun lang yun.
20:13Wala kang pakialam
20:14sa batas,
20:14sa revised penal code,
20:16sa lahat ng
20:16pinagbabawal.
20:18Ganun ba yun?
20:19That's not the context
20:20that I made
20:21those decisions, ma'am.
20:22That's not in those context.
20:24E,
20:24saan ka naman nakakita?
20:26Inaresto mo yung tao
20:27tapos
20:27isasakay mo
20:28papuntang hig.
20:30Anong klase yun?
20:31Nandito pa ba
20:37si Attorney Delgra?
20:40Sa online?
20:42I'm here.
20:43Nandito pa pala
20:45si Attorney Delgra?
20:46Sige,
20:46tatanong ko lang
20:47kasi nakita namin
20:48yung video,
20:49pakita lang yung video
20:51kung saan
20:52kinakalatkad
20:53si Attorney Delgra
20:54ni General Torre.
20:56General Torre,
20:57gumamit ka ba
20:58ng dahas
20:59laban sa sinuman
21:01na nandun
21:02sa Bilyamor?
21:04Kasi nakita namin
21:05nagkakalatkad ka eh.
21:08Ayon,
21:09kaginap eh.
21:10Hindi naman lahat
21:11ilan na hinuli na
21:12yung araw na ito sir?
21:13Sa iba-ibang mga kremen?
21:14Ilan na ginigyan
21:15ng ganitong
21:15nagsinan
21:17nandito kayo na atin?
21:18Hindi sa tao
21:19o?
21:19Ilan na ginigyan
21:20ng ganitong
21:20nandito
21:21sa labas
21:22siya gawin to kayo na ito.
21:23Sir,
21:23hindi kami hinuli na
21:24just invoke
21:26Article 59.
21:28Bakit hindi yan
21:28mag-awagawa?
21:29The president
21:31of the president
21:31is saying
21:32let's make sure
21:33you're free of
21:34anyway.
21:35Please na,
21:36bawalawakan.
21:37Ano yung
21:38din rin makawag?
21:38Bawalawakan!
21:39Bawalawakan!
21:40Bawalawakan!
21:41Bawalawakan!
21:41Bawalawakan!
21:42Bawalawakan!
21:43Bawalawakan!
21:43Bawalawakan!
21:44Bawalawakan!
21:44Bawalawakan!
21:45Bawalawakan!
21:47It's okay.
21:49We have it all.
21:50No, no, no, no.
21:51No, no, no, no, no, no.
21:52No, no, no, no, no.
21:54No, no, no, no, no.
21:57No, no, no, no.
21:59No, no, no, no, no.
22:02No, no, no, no, no.
22:04No, no, no.
22:05Okay?
22:06I'm not.
22:07I'm not.
22:11I feel like you're just going there.
22:14General Torre, anong masasabi ninyo dito?
22:18Hindi ba yung pagtanggal ng upuan at pagkalagad, eh paggagamit ng dahas?
22:25Si Attorney Delgrava, tinakot ka ba? Nagbanta ba sa'yo o sa fellow officers mo?
22:31Physically, he was hindering you na naman from bringing PRRD to the plane.
22:37Bakit ninyo ginawa yan?
22:39Ma'am, thank you very much for again showing that video for giving us a chance to clarify the context of that video.
22:47Yan nga ma'am, kitang-kita naman natin kung hindi natin ginawa yun.
22:50Sasama ba ng kusa si President Duterte na sasakay sa aeroplano?
22:56Kung hindi natin i-escalate ang ating mga...
22:58Ang sinasabi nyo, General Torre, gawain at tamang gawain ng kapulisan ang magbanta, kaladka rin at gumamit ng dahas sa sino mang iaarestuhin nila?
23:08Ma'am, may time na nga ina-arresto natin, tinututukan pa natin ng baril eh.
23:12So, that is in the force continuum.
23:13Kaya okay ito.
23:14Ibig sabihin ma'am, presence lang natin, kausapin lang natin, that's the first step, okay yan.
23:19Hindi nag-comply, lalabas tayo ng non-letal weapon.
23:23Hindi pa rin nag-comply, we escalate on the other tactics that is deemed necessary and allowed by law na gamitin natin...
23:30Allowed by law? Sigurado ka ba?
23:32Yes ma'am.
23:33Talaga?
23:33That is part of... part allowed by law and by regulations, the appropriate measures to ensure that the person is taken into physical custody.
23:43Teka muna, hindi mo naman ina-arresto si Atty. Delgra. Ano ba yung sinasabi mo?
23:47Ma'am?
23:48Hindi naman si Atty. Delgra ina-arresto eh.
23:51Inaalis ko siya actually ma'am.
23:52Bakit si Delgra pinag-iinitan mo at pinagbuhatan ng kamay, kinaladkad?
23:57Sinabi ninyo na it does not apply, tuloy-tuloy pa rin kayo at binaliwala ninyo yung pakiusap niya yung Article 59.
24:06Ma'am, I always refer the legal issues to the DOJ.
24:10No, nandun ka na eh. Andun na.
24:13Si Atty. Delgra nakikisuyo na yung Article 59 will apply.
24:17Ibig sabihin, magkaroon ng counsel, dalhin sa korte na Pilipino, at yung iba pang mga patakara na nakasaad dun sa Article 59.
24:27Eh sinasabi na nga ng abogado, sinabi pati ng DOJ ngayon, eh bakit binaliwala mo?
24:32That is something that I cannot decide on at that time, ma'am, and the DOJ is there.
24:36I refer everything to them. I refer to their legal opinion.
24:40And the order has not changed.
24:41The order is still, bring the President to the plane that will bring him to the Hague.
24:45So, yung Article 59, hindi ninyo alam yun?
24:50Sa madaling sabi?
24:52I know that it is a legal question, ma'am. That's why I refer it to the DOJ.
24:56That's something that I will not decide upon.
24:58I don't see you referring to anyone.
25:00Nakita ko, talagang sabi nga ninyo, discarte na ninyo yun kasi nandun ka, ikaw yung lead officer.
25:06Eh di, dapat, ah, decisionan mo na.
25:09Eh wala ka namang sinasabi doon na talagang, ah, i-refer muna natin sa DOJ.
25:15Hindi ka namang huminto ng gano'n.
25:17Basta tuloy-tuloy ka lang.
25:19Parang, ah, binaliwala mo ngayon.
25:21Sabing, ah, Article 59.
25:23Bakit gano'n?
25:24There's no change in order at that time, ma'am.
25:27So, the mission is still the same.
25:29Bring the President to the Hague through that chain.
25:31Yes, ah, Senator Bato, please.
25:33Ano talaga yung totoong rason at wala nang iba?
25:36Eh di sana sinabi nyo noong unang pagdinig, eh, malinaw naman na lahat ng simula noong unang pagdinig hanggang ngayon.
25:44Pilit ninyong iniiwasan, sumagot ng totoo.
25:48Balikan na lang natin si General Torre.
25:50General Torre, ano ba talaga yung dahilan kung bakit nagmamadali?
25:55Sinabi mo na hindi naman...
25:56Madam Chair, you've rolled already the upsetting of them.
25:59Thank you, Madam Chair.
26:00Madam Chair, if you may...
26:02Yes, the Ambassador is cited in contempt. I'm sorry.
26:08Yes, General Torre, please.
26:11We'd like you to be a little bit more forthright and straightforward.
26:16What is the real reason for the rush?
26:18You yourself said this was an arrest with a warrant.
26:21Therefore, no regulatory period as articulated by Article 125 applies.
26:27Bakit kayo nagmamadali?
26:29Ito nga, may sakit yung tao.
26:32And following the leads and working with the law enforcement authorities to try and come up with the possibility of reviving these old or cold cases.
26:42So, yun po yung department order na nag-create noon.
26:45At binigyan po sila ng 60 araw, base dun sa unang department order na nilabas,
26:50para mag-submit ng kanilang initial findings.
26:53Dumating dito yung ICC October, biglang-bigla, November 4, nagkaroon kayo ng task force.
27:00Ang ICC ba ay humingi ng tulong sa DOJ?
27:05Wala po.
27:06Categorically, I will say, Madam Chair, na wala pong lumapit na taga-ICC sa amin, sa Department of Justice,
27:13para humingi ng tulong patungkol dito sa mga investigasyon na ginagawa namin.
27:17At hindi naman kayo nag-volunteer na tulungan yung mga ICC na narito?
27:20Wala po kaming maibovolunteer kasi hindi naman po namin alam kung sinong kakausapin at wala po nakipag-ugnayan sa amin.
27:26Kasi may ibang nagsasabi that the task force was supposed to pick up where the ICC could possibly have left off.
27:34Tama ba yun?
27:34Hindi po. Ang sinundan po ng task force dyan, tulad po ng binanggit ko kanina,
27:40ay yung mga resulta ng investigasyon at impormasyon na nakuha at nakalap ng ating Quadcom Committee.
27:47So, katulad po noon, halimbawa yung kaso ni Barayuga.
27:51So, sinundan po yun, base dun sa testimony ni Lagarma.
27:55And then, meron pa hong tinignan na ibang leads dun.
27:59At dun po sila nagsimula magtanong at kumausap ng mga testigo on their own.
28:04Wala po silang coordination with the ICC.
28:07So, ang coordination lang ninyo, katulad ng binanggit ni Secretary Remolia kanina,
28:12ay yung Quadcom, yung Senate, yung binabanggit sa 778, yung CHR,
28:18at yung iba pang PNP, Witness Protection, yung iba pang ahensya ng ating pamahalaan.
28:25Tama po ba?
28:25Tama po yan, Madam Chair.
28:27So, sa panahon to, meron ng tatlong separate bodies trying to pin down PRRD.
28:35May Quadcom, may ICC, may DOJ Task Force.
28:39Ay, may ika-apat pa, yung Senate.
28:41So, apat na sila.
28:42Yung DOJ Task Force ho, was really to check on EJK's, period.
28:49Wala ho kaming aim of pinning down PRRD.
28:54Wala ho yan, di ho totoo yan.
28:55Pero EJK ang tinutumbok, kaya siya nagtestigo sa Quadcom, di po ba?
28:59Opo, opo.
29:00Kasi, ma'am, karapatan po ng bawat Pilipinong maghanap ng ustisya eh.
29:05Kahit mahirap sila, kahit wala silang station in life,
29:08pag sila ho ay naape, eh, nagahanap po ng ustisya.
29:13Kaya kung meron ho silang nilapitan na taong nakakausap namin,
29:18siyempre pinakikinggan po namin.
29:19At yung mga tao mismo na nangangailangan ng tulong,
29:22sinisikap po namin tulungan.
29:27Siyempre, hindi natin pinagkakait ang karapatan ng bawat isa.
29:31Naakusahan ng krimen, suspected,
29:34tapos tiniturnover sa foreign jurisdiction.
29:39Paano nangyayari yun?
29:40Ma'am, yung mechanisms po ng host country will come into play.
29:46Depende sa bansa.
29:47Yusek de Vega seems to be raising his hand po.
29:51Quickly, madam.
29:52Because they're in a foreign country,
29:54they're under the jurisdiction of the host authorities.
29:56So if they commit a crime abroad,
29:58it will be the host authorities who will arrest them or prosecute them.
30:02And as Secretary Kaklak was saying,
30:04then we have our rules to give them due assistance,
30:07whether it's a lawyer, of course, jail visits.
30:10And so it's very regular.
30:12It's been done for many years.
30:12So tutulungan pa rin natin at bibigyan ng abogado?
30:15Opo.
30:16So kasi natatakot sila dahil hindi nga pinapasok si VP Sara.
30:20Natatakot ngayon yung mga OFW natin eh.
30:24Paano sila kukuha ng abogado?
30:26Hindi pala pinapayagan, miski dating Pangulo.
30:29Well, madam, just to give it a good example,
30:31there were people rallying for President Duterte in Qatar,
30:37and we got them out.
30:38That's right.
30:39So what safeguards are there to ensure that our OFWs,
30:43their rights to due process which weren't recognized apparently,
30:48and their liberty are of abode, are respected overseas?
30:51Kasi sumailalim na nga sila sa ibang bansa, ano, sa batas ng ibang bansa.
30:58Maipagtatanggol ba natin sila?
30:59Natatakot na sila eh.
31:00The safeguards were passed by no other than the distinguished members of the Congress,
31:07madam, since 1995 with the Overseas Migrant Workers Act,
31:13and then now complemented by RA 11641, it's created the DMW.
31:17The DMW has its action fund for OFWs,
31:21and we have our own assistance national funds for foreign-based Filipinos
31:26who are not OFWs.
31:28Ilan pa ba ang nakakulong sa ibang bansa?
31:32Ma'am, by our count and our lawyers are handling these cases,
31:35around 1,198 by our count,
31:40and these are active cases handled by our lawyers.
31:44Yes, at pinipilit ko nga ako personally
31:47na yung service of sentence eh gawin reciprocal na dito na nun sa Pilipinas.
31:52Pero hindi pa nagagawa yan.
31:53So, alam natin na kapag Pilipino na parusahan sa abroad
31:59o kahit papano naipit sa gera
32:02nung panahon ng yung truck driver sa Iraq-Iran,
32:07naalala ko talagang pinagpilitan natin
32:11na mag-ipon ng blood money
32:14pagkatapos nakipagkalas pa tayo sa Alliance of the Willing
32:17para makuha yung isang truck driver.
32:20So, talagang lahat ng effort,
32:22kahit na-convict na,
32:23kahit kriminal na nga ang tukoy,
32:26pinipilit pa rin natin iuwi.
32:28Kaya ngayon, natatakot sila,
32:30yung dating Pangulo na matandan at may sakit,
32:32bakit tinangay sa ibang bansa?
32:35Takot na sila.
32:37Anong masasabi natin?
32:38Ma'am, what we have po are mechanisms
32:43in which to defend our OFWs,
32:45more particularly with the DMW.
32:47Once they are faced with cases overseas
32:50in the host countries,
32:51nandun po ang legal retainers natin,
32:54ang lawyers natin on hand.
32:56Kung sila'y inaresto,
32:57pupuntahan sa police station,
33:00as what happened in the case of the Qatar 17,
33:03based on the directive of the President,
33:05magkaroon ng jail visit.
33:06So, nangyari po ng jail visits doon
33:08and the welfare assistance
33:10and of course,
33:11yung immediate release na nasecure sa kanila.
33:15Okay, so yung 1,198,
33:18maiuwi ba natin sila?
33:21Ma'am, meron pong kanya-kanyang process,
33:25as mentioned by USEC,
33:26Ed, in the host countries.
33:28Meron po, as far as I know,
33:30SOJ is here.
33:31Meron pong service of sentence agreements, usually.
33:34As far as I know,
33:36the most recent one agreed was the UAE.
33:39We were there with the SOJ who signed it.
33:42Kunti pa lang,
33:43nasa 27 pa lang yata.
33:45Napakadaming bansa.
33:48Would not have first-hand information
33:50as to how many,
33:51but definitely meron tayo mga bansa na...
33:54I just sponsored the last one with Canada po.
33:56Opo, opo.
33:57There are some countries
33:59who voluntarily send the sentence persons home.
34:03The most recent one is Kuwait.
34:08But yes, generally,
34:10it requires an agreement, ma'am.
34:12Senator Manalo,
34:13Secretary Manalo, please,
34:14maiuwi ba natin sila?
34:16We will try as much as we can,
34:18pero depende rin sa nature of their crime.
34:20But for sure,
34:21they will be given adequate legal help.
34:25Tsaka kung pwede,
34:26we will try our best to bring them home.
34:28Sometimes,
34:29we have an unexpected result,
34:34like yung ninyari sa Indonesia,
34:36kay Mary Jane Veloso.
34:37They decided just to send her back.
34:40So it's really case by case,
34:42pero just ang policy natin is
34:44wherever, whenever we can,
34:46we'll do our best to try and bring them home
34:48or at least lessen their sentence.
34:50Depend is the nature of the crime or the...
34:52So nasa policy ba ninyo
34:53na iuwi rin natin
34:55si former President Duterte?
34:59Well, it's a...
34:59It's a general rule.
35:01Inuwi natin lahat ng Pilipino, di ba?
35:03Talagang kung ano-anong ginagawa natin,
35:06nakikisuyo, naninikluhod,
35:09nag-aambag-ambag para makapag-ipon ng pera,
35:12lahat na ginawa natin para maiuwi.
35:14Ito, tinangay sa labas.
35:16Iuwi ba natin?
35:20And never miss an update.