Fighter Pilot Praful Bakshi On Most BLOODIEST Wars in History, Nehru's Biggest Mistake, China-Taiwan

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00:00:00A boy becomes a man in the war. Your mind has to be clear. War is inevitable.

00:00:08If somebody says war can be stopped, forget it. If you have converted the entire world into Sunni,

00:00:14entire world into Saraswat Brahman, still there will be war. So war is going to be there.

00:00:19So people who say there will be no war and all, they forget it.

00:00:23When you say Hindu, they look at Shosh Sham in social media.

00:00:28There is a temple, I never go.

00:00:31They talk about Hinditva.

00:00:35Why do you say Islam is not a problem?

00:00:38Christianity is not a problem. Hinditva is not a problem.

00:00:43Believe me, as a pilot, it is very difficult to open fire on civilians.

00:00:48Very difficult.

00:00:50Nobody wants to kill civilians until and unless the civil is taking part in war.

00:00:56But then, Gaza is a completely different ball game.

00:01:01If Hamas is putting his guns out here on this building,

00:01:05with a television also there, there will be a dispensary downstairs,

00:01:08there will be a library here, then all weapons have collateral damage.

00:01:13What are your views when we say that we will make our own weapons

00:01:17and there will be bigger companies like Adani's and Ambani's will be involved in it.

00:01:22Adani's and Ambani's, when a company runs a television,

00:01:26that owner does not have experience in running camera.

00:01:29He doesn't have. He gets experts.

00:01:32So that is why.

00:01:33When Prime Minister Nehru met the British Army Chief who was going out,

00:01:39he said, sir, you better watch out because Chinese are there.

00:01:43Chinese will are very strong and they have designs on Tibet and etc. etc.

00:01:49Whatever he had to say.

00:01:50He was trying to tell that be cautious and look after your army.

00:01:53You know what he got, reply he got from Nehru.

00:01:56China? China is my friend.

00:01:59And moreover, who wants army?

00:02:02I will make do with police.

00:02:04With that mindset, what do you expect?

00:02:08There was, the army was ignored.

00:02:11Is there corruption in defence?

00:02:13What are you saying? Where is there no corruption?

00:02:16Every temple, every church, everywhere there is corruption.

00:02:20Even in defence?

00:02:21Even in the house of God there is corruption.

00:02:23Again, maximum corruption is in defence.

00:02:27It is everybody's corrupt.

00:02:37Hello and welcome to One India podcast show.

00:02:41Today, we have with us, retired but wing commander, Praful Vakshi.

00:02:48He is an expert in defence.

00:02:50He is a person with whom we can expect that whatever conversation that we have,

00:02:56he will speak on that.

00:02:58And we have got an opportunity to listen from the horse's mouth.

00:03:02Let me tell you that just few days before, I was trying to get in touch with him.

00:03:09And the first thing he said that, can I speak openly?

00:03:12And the words that we had, that of course, this is what we want.

00:03:16So we are expecting that we are going to know a lot about Indian defence, of course,

00:03:21but also about South China Sea, which is one of the most controversial places right now.

00:03:28China, Taiwan have their own war.

00:03:30As we know that China is already trying to build multiple islands there.

00:03:36And we know that how important it is as a trade route.

00:03:41Of course, war is going on between Russia and Ukraine.

00:03:44Trump is playing his own role.

00:03:46We know what can happen.

00:03:48In future, Houthis are attacking Israel and US warships.

00:03:52So overall, what I mean to say that at the moment, world is at war.

00:03:56And here today, we will speak a lot about the different wars which are being fought among different countries.

00:04:03But before that, we have our special guest.

00:04:05And sir, thank you so much for giving your time and coming to our studio.

00:04:10And you have been a veteran.

00:04:12You were part of the war which was fought, the India's biggest war that was of 1971.

00:04:19We are going to know a lot about that.

00:04:21But first of all, sir, please introduce yourself.

00:04:24Tell us more about you and your career.

00:04:28Jahind, again, thank you very much.

00:04:31Please don't refer to me as expert.

00:04:34But I like to speak on defence and I am from defence.

00:04:37So that's what I like.

00:04:39But as he had mentioned, the world is at war.

00:04:45There is no doubt about it.

00:04:47Wars are going on everywhere.

00:04:50But also, we will be very clear, wars are fought for Zar.

00:04:56Zar is Zameen.

00:04:57Zar and Zameen means territory.

00:05:00All wars have been taught.

00:05:02And of course, they take help of religion.

00:05:04That's all.

00:05:05But the wars are always for Zameen.

00:05:08Whether you are talking to the Mahabharata, downwards, First World War, Second World War,

00:05:13all wars.

00:05:14At the moment, Ukraine war, Gaza, all for Zameen.

00:05:18China, India, Zameen.

00:05:20Everywhere, Zameen.

00:05:21So the war, we will be very clear, is territory.

00:05:24You have to gain territory.

00:05:26So we have to be oriented towards the territory.

00:05:29That is what I am trying to bring out.

00:05:31And of course, by and by, we will discuss how it is.

00:05:35But my, about me, you are wanting to know.

00:05:38Well, I belong to a military family.

00:05:41Father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and everybody,

00:05:44have been for generations only in armed forces.

00:05:47Right.

00:05:48And uncles, I had two uncles who were in the Air Force.

00:05:51Of course, they passed away during the career.

00:05:55And then otherwise, so many other people have been in armed forces.

00:06:02And so was I.

00:06:03Right.

00:06:04And of course, I had to join NDA because it was a battle of pride.

00:06:11And every young boy wants to go to NDA because it's the best place to be.

00:06:15Yeah.

00:06:16So I went to NDA with my brother.

00:06:18We both were together.

00:06:19But many don't know that.

00:06:20What is the difference between NDA and IMA?

00:06:23No, NDA and IMA.

00:06:24Okay.

00:06:25And why would the experience, the difference of the experience of both places?

00:06:28You see, whatever.

00:06:29NDA in our time was, people used to report at, even at the age of 14 and a half to 15,

00:06:35in between that.

00:06:36Yeah.

00:06:37And then survive.

00:06:38We were reported at very young age, 15, 16, 15 and a half.

00:06:42Me and my brother, we reported.

00:06:44And NDA is where all young boys get together from all the three services and have the first

00:06:53initial three years of training in which the thrust of the training is to know about

00:07:00all the services.

00:07:01In fact, we have subjects like military history, military geography.

00:07:05All these subjects are there.

00:07:08Naval Adam and Org, Air Force Adam and Org, Army Adam and Org, Administration and Organization.

00:07:15So we are, well, and our cadets can change the service within NDA.

00:07:20Some people are not fit for Air Force for medical grounds.

00:07:24They go to Army.

00:07:25If somebody wants to go to Air Force or Navy, they put an application and it's considered.

00:07:30So this is how, but when Army people, cadets go for one year to IMA.

00:07:35Yeah.

00:07:36Naval cadets go to the Naval Academy and Air Force cadets go to the Air Force Academy.

00:07:40And from there they pass out as commissioned officers.

00:07:43Right.

00:07:44So this is the difference.

00:07:45So having said that, I finished my, did the career.

00:07:50And of course, me, my brother wanted to join Navy.

00:07:53So he went to become, but both of us wanted to become pilots.

00:07:56So he became a Naval pilot, Naval aviator.

00:07:59I became an Air Force aviator, Air Force pilot.

00:08:02And fighter has to be there.

00:08:05Otherwise, no, I'm not going to, you know, that time it was a matter of honor.

00:08:10So we joined.

00:08:12So you were, you must be young.

00:08:13What, what was your age when you were commissioned as the Wing Trapaner?

00:08:18Barely, we were hardly 21 or 20 or something.

00:08:22We were there 20, 21 in between.

00:08:25And very young.

00:08:27And what, what, what can you expect more?

00:08:31I mean, you have to.

00:08:32Tell me more about the life of a young pilot that too.

00:08:37In a young pilot is very keen to, to, to first learn and concentrate.

00:08:44But then we are young.

00:08:45Yeah.

00:08:46Yeah.

00:08:47Your mind is also going into various activities.

00:08:49You, as you know, young boys are there.

00:08:52You, you have girls must try to be.

00:08:55Yeah.

00:08:56Yeah.

00:08:57And then if you are fond of something else like shikar or something like that, or somebody is fond of riding and all.

00:09:02So all activities.

00:09:03Right.

00:09:04Are there.

00:09:05And.

00:09:06Yeah.

00:09:07And.

00:09:08They are very impressed.

00:09:09Aviator glasses and all.

00:09:11Yes.

00:09:12Girls.

00:09:13Yeah.

00:09:16Preferred Air Force people.

00:09:17All right.

00:09:18And that's what our army counterparties get very angry about and all.

00:09:23Even the clothes of Air Force.

00:09:25If you have to ask a woman that the uniform of Air Force or military.

00:09:31That's what I'll tell you, but once the flying starts, then your mind gets concentrated on basic flying.

00:09:37You have to make your, you have to establish yourself.

00:09:40You have to get your fully operational.

00:09:42And then you have to go to the aircraft, what you want to fly and all that.

00:09:46Okay.

00:09:47That, but ultimately we all became, got what we wanted.

00:09:51And, and the war came.

00:09:54So many, one war we saw, I was in the Western Front.

00:09:57Yeah.

00:09:58But we were too junior to even make any dent or something.

00:10:01But the experience which you gain, whether it was a ground or an air defense unit,

00:10:06or whether it was a FAC, forward air controller, pilots, you get to do that.

00:10:11Flying, you get to do that.

00:10:13All were your learning stage.

00:10:15And your vistas open up.

00:10:18A boy becomes a man in the war.

00:10:21Right.

00:10:22Suddenly you become a man.

00:10:23Suddenly you mature very fast.

00:10:25Can you remember what was, what it felt like when you heard that now there's going to be a war between India?

00:10:32Yeah.

00:10:33Oh, everybody is very happy because we have been reading.

00:10:36We were, our knowledge wise, we were quite okay.

00:10:40We were very fond of getting information and all.

00:10:42And we saw what's happening in Bangla from East Pakistan.

00:10:46What is happening?

00:10:47Refugees are coming.

00:10:48We knew it was going to happen.

00:10:49Wherever you...

00:10:50Jodhpur.

00:10:51We were at Jodhpur.

00:10:52We were at Jodhpur.

00:10:53And the things had started long back, filling in trenches, making bunkers.

00:10:59That had started.

00:11:00Reparations were...

00:11:01Reparations had started because we knew we were going to war.

00:11:03So even public came to know we are going to war.

00:11:05And we were...

00:11:07People are very...

00:11:08We used to go out and even talk about others about war is.

00:11:12We used to follow.

00:11:13And even if your knowledge was less, you pretended you knew everything.

00:11:18So that's...

00:11:19That was there.

00:11:20Because you wanted to...

00:11:21So was there this excitement?

00:11:22When am I going to fly and take a sortie?

00:11:25Yeah.

00:11:26Yeah.

00:11:27No.

00:11:28Excitement was always there.

00:11:29But you become serious.

00:11:30And your seniors, your commanding officers, etc. make you serious.

00:11:33Because you have to deliver the goods.

00:11:35Fun and games?

00:11:36Besides.

00:11:37Okay.

00:11:38That's okay.

00:11:39But that is why the seriousness comes.

00:11:41Because you have to deliver.

00:11:42And war is not going to be.

00:11:44You have to deliver.

00:11:45Because you have to deliver.

00:11:46And war is not a joke.

00:11:48It's a serious business.

00:11:49Yes.

00:11:50There is life.

00:11:51And I'll tell you the truth.

00:11:52Yes.

00:11:53We all were aware.

00:11:54The day of the dangers.

00:11:55Everybody is aware.

00:11:56But then your spirit takes you through.

00:11:59So that's about all.

00:12:01But we saw the war.

00:12:03And the outcome of the war was there.

00:12:06And we took it in our stride.

00:12:08And then our...

00:12:10Followed up with flying.

00:12:12More and more flying.

00:12:13And then other aspects.

00:12:15Where we covered up at all.

00:12:17And as you became senior.

00:12:18I even got a stent to do as a spokesperson.

00:12:21In the Ministry of Defence.

00:12:23And I also did that.

00:12:24And some of the accident investigation.

00:12:26And all these things.

00:12:28It came by the by.

00:12:30And when I left Air Force.

00:12:32I got a chance to join International Committee of Red Cross.

00:12:36Where they were wanting persons from fighter background.

00:12:39In Geneva based.

00:12:41So I got into that.

00:12:43There I became expert on the laws of war.

00:12:46Humanitarian laws.

00:12:47Geneva Convention.

00:12:48And that gave me opportunity.

00:12:50ICRC sent me to close to 32 countries.

00:12:53Okay.

00:12:54So I went there and conducted courses.

00:12:56And on these things.

00:12:57On these things.

00:12:58But how do you feel about it?

00:12:59I mean you were.

00:13:00You were seeing violence.

00:13:02You have seen violence.

00:13:03Of course.

00:13:04If there is war.

00:13:05There is a lot of violence.

00:13:06So.

00:13:07As a fighter.

00:13:08Or.

00:13:09Of course.

00:13:10You are part of.

00:13:11Country's defence.

00:13:12So how does it feel.

00:13:14To see.

00:13:15So much of violence.

00:13:16Of course.

00:13:17If you are connected with Red Cross.

00:13:18You see.

00:13:19Absolutely.

00:13:20Let me tell you one thing.

00:13:22Your mind has to be clear.

00:13:25War is inevitable.

00:13:27If somebody says war can be stopped.

00:13:30Forget it.

00:13:31I don't believe it.

00:13:33You.

00:13:34You.

00:13:35You.

00:13:36I.

00:13:37You can take two brothers.

00:13:38In the world.

00:13:39Finish everybody.

00:13:40Next ten years.

00:13:41They start fighting.

00:13:42There will be war or something.

00:13:44There is no perfect world.

00:13:45There cannot be a perfect world.

00:13:46Territorial activities.

00:13:48Territorial ambitions are there.

00:13:50Whether.

00:13:51If you convert the entire world into Sunni.

00:13:53Entire world into Saraswath Brahman.

00:13:55Still there will be war.

00:13:57So war is going to be there.

00:13:59So people who tell there will be no war and all.

00:14:01They.

00:14:02Forget it.

00:14:03This is what I should teach in the humanitarian law.

00:14:05But when you fight the war.

00:14:07Fight it correctly.

00:14:09No reason to.

00:14:10What do you mean when you say fight it correctly.

00:14:12With the current.

00:14:13Ongoing.

00:14:14Ongoing war.

00:14:15Enemies there.

00:14:16Attack the enemy forces only.

00:14:18Not the civilian.

00:14:19Not the hospital.

00:14:20Not the cultural objects.

00:14:22That is what it means.

00:14:23But then.

00:14:24This war has become more sort of propaganda.

00:14:26Which is being fought on social media.

00:14:28And politics.

00:14:29It will be there.

00:14:30You will take politics.

00:14:31So if you don't like me.

00:14:33I am attacking a target.

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00:15:26Civilian

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00:15:31The Civil is taking part in war.

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00:15:41But then Gaza is a completely different ballgame than...

00:15:46But if you have a...

00:15:47And Israel attacking them too.

00:15:50Israel is attacking Hamas.

00:15:53But where is Hamas?

00:15:54But then when ICRC is there, you're part of...

00:15:57No, no, I would not...

00:15:58And there are more than 40,000 killings even of children and women in Gaza.

00:16:02But in Gaza...

00:16:04No, maybe 10,000 Hamas...

00:16:05I was not there when the Gaza war was taking place.

00:16:08Of course.

00:16:08But let me tell you one thing.

00:16:11If Hamas is putting his guns out here on this building...

00:16:15With a television also there.

00:16:16There'll be a dispensary downstairs.

00:16:18There'll be a library here.

00:16:19Yeah.

00:16:20Then I'm an attacker.

00:16:22I will attack that.

00:16:22Then the other building will be destroyed.

00:16:24But is then collateral damage justified?

00:16:25It will be there.

00:16:27Collateral damage is justified.

00:16:29All weapons have collateral damage.

00:16:32If I am attacking a target...

00:16:34I mean, a thousand pounder bomb...

00:16:36When you have a direct hit here...

00:16:39300 yards and all...

00:16:40The building will crack.

00:16:41Something will happen.

00:16:42Yes, it'll happen.

00:16:43Yeah.

00:16:43Some beam will fall.

00:16:44Somebody will die.

00:16:45It'll happen.

00:16:47What I'm trying to tell you...

00:16:49People have taken advantage of...

00:16:51Political advantage of war.

00:16:53And the media plays along with that.

00:16:55Tell us some examples, sir.

00:16:57Tell us some examples.

00:16:58See, I mean, both in Ukraine and Gaza, it happened.

00:17:04But during Pakistan, during these various wars,

00:17:10I know where the civilian attacker hides behind a church

00:17:15or in the temple.

00:17:17And you can't do a thing about...

00:17:21But once a person has entered a temple,

00:17:24the temple does not become...

00:17:26If it is a...

00:17:27The target will remain there because enemy is there.

00:17:31But then...

00:17:32But you don't...

00:17:33But I will clarify.

00:17:35But you as a commander are expected to change your tactics

00:17:39in such a way that the collateral damage is minimum.

00:17:441984, Operation Blue Star comes into my mind

00:17:47the moment you say...

00:17:49Is the Blue Star standing there or not?

00:17:50Was it raised to the ground?

00:17:52So what is your analysis of...

00:17:54The Blue Star Operation can always be discussed.

00:17:57Blue Star?

00:17:57So...

00:17:57You can discuss Blue Star.

00:17:59Blue Star...

00:18:00Was the enemy there?

00:18:02Were the machine guns inside the Blue Star in the temple?

00:18:05Were they there or not?

00:18:07But Bindra, what was there with it?

00:18:09Were they there or not?

00:18:11Were the people hiding with the guns in the temple or not?

00:18:16Yes.

00:18:16So...

00:18:17What is the law and order situation?

00:18:19The police and army do?

00:18:21They will go and neutralize them.

00:18:22So when they went and neutralize them,

00:18:25something may happen.

00:18:28Bullets will fire here.

00:18:29Bullets will fire there.

00:18:30But the entire temple is still standing.

00:18:34It could have been raised to the ground.

00:18:36Nobody did it.

00:18:37So, Indira Gandhi and another one that we can say, Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

00:18:44We were discussing about Balakot strikes.

00:18:47So let's come to the Indian military services, Indian defense.

00:18:52We are going to talk about almost everything because India is changing.

00:18:57And of course, the defense is changing as well.

00:19:00We have so many changes since 2014.

00:19:02So what are your views, your analysis of all the changes in terms of we have, you know,

00:19:09we are making indigenous weapons and private players are going to play part in it.

00:19:16Make in India concept is there.

00:19:18What are your views when we say that we will make our own weapons and there will be bigger companies like Adani's and Ambani's will be involved in it?

00:19:26Why are we saying that we will make our own weapons?

00:19:30Why are we saying it?

00:19:31Because we want to.

00:19:32No.

00:19:32We have been buying.

00:19:34Why are Russia?

00:19:35Why were we buying?

00:19:36Because we could not produce.

00:19:38Why we couldn't produce?

00:19:39Because we had no technology and we are not at par.

00:19:42Why we did not have any technology or we did not want to have any technology?

00:19:46Because we make sure we did not.

00:19:49Our policies were different.

00:19:52We are peace loving.

00:19:53If we wanted, we are peace.

00:19:54If we wanted, we could have done it.

00:19:56In 1950.

00:19:57I'll tell you, I'll tell you, please understand.

00:19:59Yeah.

00:19:59When Prime Minister Nehru met the army chief or British army chief who was going out, I think after 47, 48, whatever the thing he was going.

00:20:09Yeah.

00:20:09And Dr. Kaur, whatever his name was, he put on his cap and file that I must go and meet my prime minister.

00:20:18I'm going now and have coffee with him.

00:20:21He went there and sat down and said, sir, you must.

00:20:25That time India had 25 lakh troops, not 11 lakhs or 12 lakhs or 1 lakh, 25 lakhs after the Second World War.

00:20:32Yeah.

00:20:32He said, sir, you better watch out because Chinese are there.

00:20:36Chinese will are very strong and they have designs on Tibet and et cetera, et cetera, whatever he had to say.

00:20:43He was trying to tell that be cautious and look after your army.

00:20:47You know what he got?

00:20:47Reply he got from Nehru.

00:20:49China?

00:20:50China is my friend.

00:20:53And moreover, who wants army?

00:20:55I'll make do with police.

00:20:56With that mindset, what do you expect?

00:21:01There was, the army was ignored.

00:21:04That's why you did not have any modern rifle.

00:21:07You didn't, that time, 19...

00:21:09Look, sir, actually you were saying that Peru was irresponsible.

00:21:13You know, I'm not saying, you tell me who was, but was he irresponsible?

00:21:16You tell me, you are a prime minister.

00:21:19You have been part of the defensive services.

00:21:21You tell me, people are telling me, the first prime minister of India was irresponsible in terms of taking care of war with China.

00:21:30I am...

00:21:31You don't say that.

00:21:32No, no, no, no.

00:21:33But you have to listen to me.

00:21:35I am still saying, why did Dehru say we don't want army?

00:21:42Why?

00:21:42Because he really thought, like, Hindi, Chini, Bhai, Bhai, Kanaare.

00:21:45Okay, he thought, so he thought, so he did not make anything.

00:21:49Why was the Ordnance Factory making coffee percolator in 1962?

00:21:53Why?

00:21:55You're laughing.

00:21:56So, it means, so you're laughing.

00:21:58It means you're saying.

00:21:59It means, I'm saying, because we were irresponsible.

00:22:02Because not irresponsible, our thought process was weak.

00:22:05We never thought in terms of war, lawai.

00:22:08We never gave our mind exercise to think.

00:22:11Chintan, what Chanak Chintan said, we never thought of it.

00:22:15We thought, war is fighting is bad.

00:22:18Gods will get angry.

00:22:19Something of that sort.

00:22:21We were...

00:22:21Dure Karma, karma wala...

00:22:23Whatever the muddled up head was there at that time, it was a result of that.

00:22:29So, we ignored ourselves.

00:22:31Now, if you say, no, studying mathematics is bad, studying geography is bad,

00:22:35and then you fail, then whose fault is this?

00:22:38People who put this idea in your head.

00:22:39So, that is what happened.

00:22:41So, we fail.

00:22:43So, now we are...

00:22:44You are talking in terms of, we are now buying from outside.

00:22:47We have to buy.

00:22:48But then question rises that most of these players who will be producing these weapons

00:22:55for India, HAL might not be one of them, which...

00:22:59No, HAL will be one of them, because HAL has got me chastricized, HAL has woken up, HAL

00:23:06knows it, but HAL gets its policies from where?

00:23:10Not from America, not from Pakistan.

00:23:12HAL gets its policies from India.

00:23:14But when...

00:23:14So, it means when private players...

00:23:16No, no.

00:23:17I will never blame HAL.

00:23:19Which government is running HAL?

00:23:22Now?

00:23:23Which government?

00:23:24Central government.

00:23:25Why shy?

00:23:25You are saying that.

00:23:26I am not shy.

00:23:27I don't care about it.

00:23:29No, no, no.

00:23:29But...

00:23:30But you are hesitating.

00:23:31No, no.

00:23:32My question is very simple.

00:23:34So, HAL is there, but also the private players who are top, which is Adani, Ambani.

00:23:43So, I am not hesitating at all.

00:23:45My point is that HAL will be disbanded and they will bring Adani's and Ambani's who have

00:23:52no experience in making weapons.

00:23:54So, that is why Adani's and Ambani's, see, when somebody runs a television, that owner

00:24:01does not have experience in running camera.

00:24:03Yeah.

00:24:03He doesn't have.

00:24:04He gets experts.

00:24:06So, that is why he will also...

00:24:08But a new company can...

00:24:10Listen, let me finish.

00:24:11Sure.

00:24:12The HAL was getting its orders and policy guidelines from government.

00:24:20It is a government which has to now change his thinking.

00:24:23And government has changed his thinking.

00:24:25When government has changed his thinking, HL has started producing straight away.

00:24:29Now, HL is on the line.

00:24:31Now, HL...

00:24:31And if whatever little chester-cising has been done, A.T. Marshal, APC did it.

00:24:37He told them, you are led.

00:24:38They agreed it and they are doing it.

00:24:40So, little bit of exercise is there.

00:24:43You have to tell your student, boy, you are wrong here.

00:24:45But if you don't tell him you are wrong here, you don't blame the student.

00:24:49Or we blame you.

00:24:50So, that is why HL is a person who is getting paid from a government of India.

00:24:56If government of India doesn't have a policy, not follow HL.

00:25:00Now, government of India is thinking of Adani.

00:25:02They will also think of Adani.

00:25:04They will think of whichever Golwani or whatever.

00:25:06And they will think of HL also.

00:25:08But the first question for any Indian will be that the Indian Defence Forces, they will be getting their weapons from the first-time manufacturers.

00:25:15First-time manufacturers.

00:25:17No.

00:25:18Who told you this?

00:25:20They will not be getting.

00:25:21They are getting experts from outside.

00:25:24Which will...

00:25:24The company will come here.

00:25:26The brand will be Adani.

00:25:27So, brand?

00:25:29Again, then go for...

00:25:30I am wearing a best...

00:25:32I am wearing best running shoes.

00:25:34And if I put my name on it, does not mean my shoe become bad.

00:25:37Right.

00:25:38Yeah.

00:25:38Marketing is different.

00:25:39They will buy from China.

00:25:40They will buy from China.

00:25:42If I buy from China, then the shoe is bad.

00:25:46But if I...

00:25:47When Northrop comes and makes it, then shoe is good.

00:25:50So, it's all about the intent.

00:25:52Intent of the company.

00:25:53Now you are...

00:25:53No, no.

00:25:54It's all depends on the capability of the company.

00:25:56You get the right company to make it.

00:25:59Yeah.

00:25:59And then you...

00:26:00And then they do the foreign direct investment to get your locals who are going to get into this field.

00:26:06And they get into it with the government's approval.

00:26:08FDI.

00:26:09And they have offset arrangement.

00:26:11They will reinvest the money into the whole game.

00:26:14Right.

00:26:14And that's how they come up.

00:26:16But this whole idea has to come from government of India.

00:26:21So, if you...

00:26:22If I have to blame, I'll never blame anybody else down the line.

00:26:27I'll blame the top.

00:26:28Right.

00:26:28They are there.

00:26:30And never be shy of that.

00:26:32What is your analysis when we talk of Agni Veer scheme and everything?

00:26:37Agni Veer.

00:26:38Agni Veer.

00:26:39Agni Veer.

00:26:39What about Agni Veer?

00:26:41So, I just want to understand what is your analysis of all these new things which have been...

00:26:46No, no.

00:26:46All the...

00:26:47We were very firm, clear.

00:26:49Agni Veer you are talking now.

00:26:50Agni Veer is this.

00:26:52They thought in terms of that we have short of people and we must get a new young lot.

00:26:58So, we must induct them at a younger age.

00:27:03So, okay.

00:27:04That's a very good idea.

00:27:05Good idea.

00:27:05Induct it.

00:27:06But how long?

00:27:08Four years?

00:27:09How long do you take to train a full gunner?

00:27:12Three and a half to four years?

00:27:13So, when you train your gunner, you are short of gunners and he is going out.

00:27:17Yeah.

00:27:17Or 75% are going out, 25% are going to be there.

00:27:22Your shortage is still there.

00:27:24So, my suggestion is don't have it for four years.

00:27:27Have the period for 11 years.

00:27:29Okay.

00:27:30Okay.

00:27:30Have it for 11 years and then get the best out of him and send 25% out and 75% retain.

00:27:38Ulta.

00:27:38This is my idea.

00:27:40So, I don't say Agni Veer is bad or good.

00:27:43You should be, you should see somewhere down the line.

00:27:46And let me tell you one thing.

00:27:48The person in India who is taking decision, if he does not have the army background or defense background,

00:27:55he should have the right people to advise him.

00:27:58But if people are not advising him proper.

00:28:00Sir, that is the problem.

00:28:02Sir, we had a CDS and unfortunately, we lost him in the hour.

00:28:08That incident, sir, the way we lost him, that was of course quite unfortunate.

00:28:15But do you think that there was some sort of, because there have been several theories around it,

00:28:20that how can, you know, a chopper of such a senior person got into the accident?

00:28:30No, no, senior act person, prime minister can also, president of India, queen of England also can be involved.

00:28:36But there must be multiple protocols to follow.

00:28:39No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:28:39There is nothing.

00:28:40There is no protocol for president is different protocol.

00:28:43No, no, no, no.

00:28:44Every flight safety procedure is the same.

00:28:47Sorry, I don't, never think of that.

00:28:51Yet still there can be sabotage.

00:28:53Still, there can be outside element involved in it that inquiries will tell.

00:29:02Whether the inquiry is done properly or not, I can't say.

00:29:05But the pilot was very senior.

00:29:09He was very careful.

00:29:11And weather was not that bad that suddenly he'd go and get disoriented in order to that.

00:29:16So, I don't buy that theory at all.

00:29:18Like Patna air crash.

00:29:20I openly said, there is something wrong with the aircraft.

00:29:24But the Minister of Aviation came in one hour and said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:29:28Pilot's fault.

00:29:29It's about 1 hour.

00:29:30It's about 10 hours.

00:29:33I said, how does the Minister know?

00:29:35Even God can't tell.

00:29:36I was on Star News that day.

00:29:38And I said clearly to Aroob Ghosh, the aircraft's problems are there.

00:29:43Alliance here have to be grounded and checked up.

00:29:47There are some problems with the aircraft.

00:29:49Right.

00:29:50That's happened.

00:29:51And of course, there was a big hangama after that when I said that.

00:29:53But that's a different story.

00:29:55Okay.

00:29:56Now, just to summarize the Indian scenario of defense.

00:30:01No, no.

00:30:02You ask me that.

00:30:03Tell us, Indra.

00:30:04Tell us overall, are you happy with whatever the ongoing situation is?

00:30:08We, of course, talked about Nehru's era.

00:30:10No, no, no.

00:30:11Then we saw you were actively part of when Indra Gandhi was there, one of the strongest leaders.

00:30:16And now we have Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is one of the strongest leaders.

00:30:19Yes.

00:30:20So, your comparison analysis of all these big phases of India.

00:30:24You see, first requirement of the head of the state is that he must understand the subject very clearly.

00:30:32Right.

00:30:33He must understand.

00:30:34It is his understanding.

00:30:36And he must understand.

00:30:38First thing is, 1995, let me come to an incident.

00:30:431995, there was a company called Rand Corporation, which is still there.

00:30:47They wrote a letter, article that India did not have any security doctrine from 1947 onwards.

00:30:56And this is 1995.

00:30:57They have fought all war without security doctrine.

00:31:00They have fought all actions of the 48 war, 62 war, 65 war, 71 war without doctrines.

00:31:08Fighting without a doctrine means you do not know what will you do in this circumstances, that circumstances.

00:31:15That is why, when 1962 war, Chinese were entering, you required Air Force.

00:31:21Yeah.

00:31:22There were six squadrons available in the Northeast.

00:31:24Why did you remove the squadrons to Delhi?

00:31:27Why didn't you let them fight?

00:31:29You probably will not know.

00:31:31Why they didn't?

00:31:32Because somebody told Prime Minister, if you allow, if you put your Air Force in action,

00:31:38Chinese will come and take revenge.

00:31:40Bombay, Calcutta, Madras, Delhi, Allahabad, Kanpur, every city will be bombed.

00:31:46Okay.

00:31:47Without knowing that Chinese Air Force did not have enough aircraft or the range was only up to Tespur.

00:31:54They had fuel problem and they had four IL-28 that time.

00:31:58But who knows?

00:31:59And at night, of course, Neroon Ji is writing private letters and secret letters to Kennedy for aircraft,

00:32:0612 F-104 squadron and all that, all that.

00:32:08Question is, why did you?

00:32:10If your doctrine was there, then you wouldn't have any problem.

00:32:14You should have state a report.

00:32:16But everybody was ringing.

00:32:17Shall we use Air Force?

00:32:18Shall we not use Air Force?

00:32:19No, Prime Minister would get angry.

00:32:21No, this will get angry.

00:32:22Come on.

00:32:23Damn it.

00:32:24This is no way to run a country.

00:32:26And that is what happened.

00:32:28You lost miserably.

00:32:29Till today, you have not been able to erase the stigma.

00:32:33And just opposite to that, in 67, Nathula, Chinese, again entered.

00:32:40And Chinese, what you should do?

00:32:42That time also, this fancy idea had come that you will not take weapons.

00:32:46And we will, when we see each other, we will, you know, dhaka mukhi and us going on.

00:32:51The stand of populist and dhaki.

00:32:53So, General Sagat Singh was commanding the div there.

00:32:56He said, what is this guy?

00:32:57This guy is playing dhaka mukhi.

00:32:59What is this guy?

00:33:00In the water.

00:33:01In the company.

00:33:03So, next to one, there was a JAT major.

00:33:06He, next time the Chinese came, he gave the Chinese a big push.

00:33:11That was a political commissar who fell down.

00:33:14When he got some hurt.

00:33:15So, he went into bunker and said,

00:33:17If you all go, don't go, you will kill them.

00:33:19Whatever.

00:33:20In that language.

00:33:21And that major sahab laughed and abused him.

00:33:24So, he fired his guns and killed all 50 of the Indians.

00:33:28Including that major.

00:33:30When General Sagat Singh came to know.

00:33:32By the time, the Indian government came to know in Delhi.

00:33:35He said, hold on.

00:33:36Hold on.

00:33:37Hold on.

00:33:38We will negotiate.

00:33:39General Sagat Singh said, I don't know what message is there.

00:33:42He opened utterly.

00:33:43He opened utterly.

00:33:44He killed all Chinese.

00:33:45489.

00:33:46For the next 20 years, Chinese never ventured.

00:33:49This is how things are done.

00:33:51Yeah.

00:33:52The Indian government.

00:33:53But there was a general with a gump.

00:33:55With a dumb.

00:33:56To say, okay, I'll bear the consequences.

00:33:58CEO is the person who has all the.

00:34:00Where is all the.

00:34:01That's right.

00:34:02Sanyal Sundarji.

00:34:03In Swamranchong.

00:34:04He inducted one full brigade.

00:34:06To oppose the Chinese.

00:34:07When the Indian government was trying to stop him.

00:34:09And Chinese never entered Swamranchong.

00:34:11So, this is how things are done.

00:34:14So, if you don't make the rifle, your soldier will not have a rifle.

00:34:19That's why you still don't have a rifle.

00:34:22If you don't make engine, your aircraft will not have engine.

00:34:26That is why I flew HF 24-1 aircraft.

00:34:29Yeah.

00:34:30That aircraft was cleared for Mach 2.6.

00:34:34Mach 2.6 to understand.

00:34:362.6 the speed of sound.

00:34:38Yeah.

00:34:39But, it had no engine proper.

00:34:42Two Nat engines were put in it.

00:34:44Hmm.

00:34:45Yet, it was performing very well.

00:34:47But then, your doctrine was not properly written.

00:34:51How many squadrons etc.

00:34:53Whatever.

00:34:54Why this story is very much related.

00:34:56Let me finish.

00:34:57Let me finish.

00:34:58Yeah.

00:34:59Russians came and said, we want to, why aren't you taking our aircraft?

00:35:05He said, we have, our squadrons are full.

00:35:07We have all.

00:35:08He said, no.

00:35:09What are these three?

00:35:10HF 24 squadrons.

00:35:11You ground them.

00:35:12It grounded the things.

00:35:13He said, take our MiG-23.

00:35:15And MiG-23 were taken.

00:35:17Okay.

00:35:18And that is what your aircraft, which had flown 5 hours, 6 hours, standing on the grass.

00:35:23Even in that paint, you can smell the polythene on the parts is still there.

00:35:28And we are not using it.

00:35:30And we are not using it.

00:35:31Question is, when your doctrines are not written properly, you will always suffer.

00:35:38You will always fumble, waffle.

00:35:43Can I ask you one thing?

00:35:44It could be very controversial, but is there corruption in defense?

00:35:48What do you mean controversial?

00:35:50What are you saying?

00:35:51Where is there no corruption?

00:35:53Every temple, every church, everywhere there is corruption.

00:35:57Even in defense.

00:35:58Even in the house of God, there is corruption.

00:36:00So, we look at defense.

00:36:01We look at defense.

00:36:02Again, maximum corruption is in defense deals.

00:36:07In weapons.

00:36:08In weapons.

00:36:09Why are they?

00:36:10Why?

00:36:11Let us analyze.

00:36:12Because there is maximum money in selling weapons.

00:36:13Where does the money go?

00:36:14Where does the money go?

00:36:15Where does the money go?

00:36:16I want to hear from you.

00:36:17No, I don't.

00:36:18No, no, no.

00:36:19Because I don't want to ask you.

00:36:20No, no, no.

00:36:21I will tell you.

00:36:22But I want to make sure whether you know or not.

00:36:23Where does the money go?

00:36:24Who takes the money?

00:36:25Who takes the money?

00:36:26Yes.

00:36:27Who takes the money?

00:36:28Who takes the money?

00:36:29Yes.

00:36:30Who takes the money?

00:36:31Okay.

00:36:32That could be.

00:36:33We are going to get the money.

00:36:34No, no, no.

00:36:35No, no.

00:36:36No, no.

00:36:37No, no.

00:36:38No, no.

00:36:39No, no.

00:36:40I will tell you.

00:36:41But I want to make sure whether you know or not.

00:36:42Where does the money go?

00:36:43Who takes the money?

00:36:44Most of the money when it comes to defense and arms.

00:36:45I think the US is making maximum money.

00:36:46No, no.

00:36:47In India.

00:36:48They pay you the money.

00:36:49Who takes the money?

00:36:50Who takes the money?

00:36:51Yes.

00:36:52Who takes the money?

00:36:53Okay.

00:36:54That could be.

00:36:55We are getting the money.

00:36:56Yeah.

00:36:57Why?

00:36:58Who takes the money?

00:36:59The chief.

00:37:00The chief of, you know.

00:37:02Why?

00:37:03Whoever is the decision maker should be getting the money.

00:37:05But who is the decision maker?

00:37:07And there could be multiple.

00:37:08Who is the decision maker?

00:37:10Not the chief.

00:37:11No.

00:37:12This is what I am trying.

00:37:13Who is the chief?

00:37:14No.

00:37:15Who makes the.

00:37:16Politicians.

00:37:17Even the chief is dependent on politicians.

00:37:19Politicians.

00:37:20Chiefs are dependent on him.

00:37:21Chief doesn't take the decision.

00:37:23Chief is dependent on him.

00:37:24And it has been the tradition for him.

00:37:26Always.

00:37:27Even today?

00:37:28Even today.

00:37:29You are.

00:37:30Even today.

00:37:31You are saying a lot about the current chief also.

00:37:35That he is dependent on what he is being fed from the.

00:37:38No.

00:37:39No.

00:37:40Dependent on what.

00:37:41Fed is not talking about money.

00:37:42All decisions are the government decisions.

00:37:44He takes on behalf of the government.

00:37:46Of course.

00:37:47There is a connection.

00:37:48Even if we.

00:37:49Even.

00:37:50But we are talking about corruption.

00:37:51No.

00:37:52I am talking about money.

00:37:53What am I talking?

00:37:55Yeah.

00:37:56Ask the question.

00:37:57Don't skip.

00:37:58I am.

00:37:59No.

00:38:00No.

00:38:01When you are asked the question.

00:38:02Then you face it.

00:38:03Yes.

00:38:04Money.

00:38:05You said.

00:38:06Who takes the money?

00:38:07That is corruption.

00:38:08Yeah.

00:38:09I am.

00:38:10This.

00:38:11A tank.

00:38:12Okay.

00:38:13Here is so much of money.

00:38:14Where will the money go?

00:38:15I am asking you.

00:38:16Who takes the money?

00:38:17That is.

00:38:18I am asking you.

00:38:19You tell me.

00:38:20No.

00:38:21I will tell you.

00:38:22Are you trying to tell me you don't.

00:38:23I should take a guess.

00:38:24No.

00:38:25Of course.

00:38:26Of course.

00:38:27I will tell you.

00:38:28But are you trying to tell me you are ignorant?

00:38:29No.

00:38:30Then.

00:38:31No.

00:38:32You know it.

00:38:33Don't play the very safe game.

00:38:34So.

00:38:35I am saying.

00:38:36Who takes the money?

00:38:37It must be going to politicians.

00:38:38Then it goes to politicians.

00:38:39The.

00:38:40Even.

00:38:41If the forces.

00:38:42Is involved in that scandal.

00:38:43He will get one paesa out of rupee.

00:38:45That's all.

00:38:46I don't think he will not get.

00:38:48He will get.

00:38:49Your.

00:38:50There was one air chief marshal who was involved.

00:38:52In the.

00:38:53Augusta helicopter.

00:38:54Yes.

00:38:55His name was there.

00:38:56What.

00:38:57Don't.

00:38:58Yeah.

00:38:59Let's let.

00:39:00When I am sitting with you.

00:39:01There is nobody.

00:39:02All that thing.

00:39:03Yeah.

00:39:04I am being interviewed.

00:39:05No.

00:39:06I do not.

00:39:07I do not.

00:39:08I do not.

00:39:09I said.

00:39:10There is a conversation.

00:39:11And you have to play the game.

00:39:12No.

00:39:13No.

00:39:14I will tell you the truth.

00:39:15I will take the.

00:39:16So.

00:39:17Yeah.

00:39:18We want to have an open conversation.

00:39:19Money.

00:39:20This thing.

00:39:21Exchange.

00:39:22Money comes to India.

00:39:23That is why.

00:39:24You buy.

00:39:25Somebody outside.

00:39:26You don't give money.

00:39:27You get the money.

00:39:28Then money is distributed.

00:39:29Alongside.

00:39:30Very little.

00:39:31Comes to.

00:39:32The workers in services.

00:39:34The service.

00:39:35Very little.

00:39:36Or practically nil.

00:39:37It will come as a perform of any.

00:39:39Benefit or all.

00:39:40So this.

00:39:41But then when we talk about it.

00:39:42Then obvious.

00:39:43It is quite obvious.

00:39:44That all the deals.

00:39:45Which are.

00:39:46Which will be being made.

00:39:47There could be corruption involved.

00:39:48And.

00:39:49There could be.

00:39:50Well.

00:39:51No.

00:39:52I don't say there will be.

00:39:53There could be.

00:39:54There could be.

00:39:55There are scope of corruption.

00:39:56Yes.

00:39:57But then.

00:39:58This government.

00:39:59Is different.

00:40:00That is why you don't find any.

00:40:01Have.

00:40:02Have you heard any.

00:40:03We will.

00:40:04We will.

00:40:05How many.

00:40:06How many years.

00:40:0710 years have passed.

00:40:08So when there was Rafael.

00:40:09Then what.

00:40:1014 to 24.

00:40:1112.

00:40:1211 years ago.

00:40:13Have you heard of any corruption.

00:40:14No.

00:40:15Of course.

00:40:16Concrete report.

00:40:17So we should not just give.

00:40:18Statement.

00:40:19No.

00:40:20No.

00:40:21For sake of it.

00:40:22No.

00:40:23No.

00:40:24No.

00:40:25No.

00:40:26No.

00:40:27No.

00:40:28No.

00:40:29No.

00:40:30No.

00:40:31No.

00:40:32No.

00:40:33No.

00:40:34No.

00:40:35No.

00:40:36No.

00:40:37No.

00:40:38No.

00:40:40No.

00:40:41No.

00:40:42No.

00:40:43No.

00:40:44No.

00:40:45No.

00:40:46No.

00:40:47No.

00:40:48No.

00:40:49No.

00:40:50No.

00:40:51No.

00:40:52No.

00:40:53No.

00:40:54No.

00:40:55No.

00:40:56No.

00:40:57No.

00:40:58No.

00:40:59No.

00:41:00No.

00:41:01No.

00:41:02No.

00:41:03No.

00:41:04No.

00:41:05No.

00:41:06No.

00:41:07We expect from politicians, we don't expect drama.

00:41:11Everywhere that Pandit Ji who takes money, he takes money.

00:41:17What are you talking about?

00:41:19Let's stop the pretense.

00:41:22If we don't do drama, then we will open it.

00:41:26Everybody is corrupt.

00:41:28But corruption can be controlled and which is being controlled now.

00:41:32That is why people are not happy.

00:41:35When Prime Minister says something, then everyone knows how to do it.

00:41:39Everyone knows how to do it.

00:41:41That is the problem.

00:41:43This is the problem.

00:41:45In 14 years, tell me any corruption.

00:41:47I have not heard.

00:41:49It will happen.

00:41:51It will happen.

00:41:53You can tell anyone.

00:41:55But they are controlling media.

00:41:58That's why...

00:42:00I do…

00:42:01I do…

00:42:02You can hold them like basically in two parts.

00:42:03I play it with milk and drink in life.

00:42:05I can hold them lower than I will lose to my done.

00:42:06What do I do?

00:42:07I'm gonna lose…

00:42:08Goal…

00:42:09I would also say the bank with AEL.

00:42:10Everybody has no intention.

00:42:12I don't hold it.

00:42:13To get that, Y�를 is set…

00:42:14What do he decide that he can do?

00:42:15What do I do?

00:42:16Buyurun…

00:42:17clay got out.

00:42:18The thing is, now we are on the right path.

00:42:22Bharat is going to be absolutely correct.

00:42:26And it doesn't get to the point of people.

00:42:28This is the thing.

00:42:30If I'm saying that I believe in it,

00:42:35this is the thing.

00:42:36Things are getting better.

00:42:37Better.

00:42:38Cool.

00:42:39Now, from this, we should definitely talk about the war strategy

00:42:43and the biggest problem that we have is China.

00:42:45Upcoming.

00:42:46And yes, about South China Sea and the latest development.

00:42:50We'll go.

00:42:51So, sir, first of all, we want you to explain to our viewers

00:42:54what is South China Sea, why it is so important for India.

00:42:58Of course, many of us have heard about it,

00:43:00but we don't understand the politics around it

00:43:02and how many countries are involved.

00:43:05Philippines, then Vietnam.

00:43:06U.S. has its own interest.

00:43:08Now, Australia is also interested.

00:43:10And India, of course, they have their part to play there.

00:43:13Look, I'll tell you.

00:43:14South China Sea has all these countries,

00:43:19right, where you talk of Japan, Taiwan, Philippines,

00:43:22South Korea, Brunei, Malaysia,

00:43:25all these, Indonesia, that side, Australia, that side,

00:43:28right, come up to the parks,

00:43:29Malacca Strait alongside, to India.

00:43:32Then if you are entering the Bay of Bengal,

00:43:35then you have India, Bangladesh,

00:43:37Bali will come up, Arabian Sea, Pakistan,

00:43:40all this, they are not part of the side challenge,

00:43:42but they are joining.

00:43:44Now, India, why is this so important?

00:43:4780% of the world trade and 60% of the world fuel

00:43:52passes through South China, Malacca Strait.

00:43:55Right.

00:43:55It's 75% of the trade of China

00:43:59and 45% to 50% of its fuel,

00:44:0260% of its fuel passes through Malacca Strait into.

00:44:06So China is very interested.

00:44:07Now, Taiwan, America does not want to give away.

00:44:10I want to create Taiwan on its side.

00:44:13Because America is also interested in South China Sea.

00:44:31Now, Taiwan, America does not want to give away.

00:44:35I want to create Taiwan on its side

00:44:37Because America is also interested in South China.

00:44:40See, all its allies are there.

00:44:42Take the Philippines. Take Taiwan.

00:44:44Take South Korea.

00:44:45Take South Korea or North Korea.

00:44:47Which is very dangerous.

00:44:49Top of the shelf on the nuclear warfare.

00:44:51Nuclear weaponry.

00:44:52So, they are already there.

00:44:55So, this is all America's interest.

00:44:58NATO's interest is increasing.

00:45:01NATO is European.

00:45:03Which is also on the verge of break-up.

00:45:06I will tell you.

00:45:08They are trying to sell their armament.

00:45:11America's hold.

00:45:14NATO countries.

00:45:16NATO countries.

00:45:18And European Union countries.

00:45:20France, Germany, England, Belgium.

00:45:24You know that incident.

00:45:27France was trying to sell their submarines to Australia.

00:45:31America has cut their submarines.

00:45:33So, what did France do?

00:45:35India's

00:45:39F-18, F-16.

00:45:40He was selling the deal.

00:45:41So, this is all going on in the same place.

00:45:43So, some total.

00:45:45China has got to know that every country is getting interested.

00:45:49And America is interested.

00:45:50Shinzo Abe has said that India is now coming up very fast.

00:45:56Very fast.

00:45:57It's going to become super power in the coming next 20, 25, 30 years.

00:46:02India must take the leadership of this area.

00:46:06And jointly look after the area.

00:46:09So, that Japan's interest is looked after.

00:46:15Because China and Japan's interest clash.

00:46:17Yeah.

00:46:19So, this is all going on in India.

00:46:20So, this is all going on in India.

00:46:21This is all going on in India.

00:46:22We have a problem.

00:46:23But India has to do this.

00:46:24We have to do this.

00:46:25We have to do this.

00:46:26We have to do this.

00:46:27We have to do this.

00:46:28policy between

00:46:30India, Myanmar, Thailand

00:46:33our road construction and rail

00:46:35construction is going on

00:46:36our BIMSEC role is growing

00:46:38and everything is all

00:46:40so this idea has come

00:46:42and one or two NGOs already

00:46:44started, Asia Pacific Union

00:46:46Association of Asia Pacific Countries

00:46:48they started already

00:46:50they already started functioning

00:46:51the idea is to all these

00:46:54countries must form up a co-prosperity

00:46:57sphere with India alongside

00:46:59to look after their joint

00:47:01industry, joint

00:47:02trade, joint

00:47:04education, scientific development

00:47:06space, cyber, including

00:47:09joint fight against climate change

00:47:10all these anti-piracy

00:47:12operations, all these things

00:47:14jointly, joint pharmaceutical

00:47:16but catch where

00:47:18you have to have a joint security

00:47:26against China

00:47:27that is the thing

00:47:28where India comes

00:47:29now pass

00:47:31China

00:47:32has started

00:47:32you people are trying to create a

00:47:34South China NATO

00:47:35this

00:47:37now

00:47:38South China NATO

00:47:40this

00:47:41and now

00:47:42Trump

00:47:43Trump

00:47:43not

00:47:44know

00:47:45he is very interested

00:47:47and China

00:47:48has started

00:47:49to get started

00:47:49Philippines

00:47:50and other countries

00:47:51from the island

00:47:52to the island

00:47:53from the island

00:47:53on the island

00:47:54we have to get started

00:47:55on the fighter

00:47:56land

00:47:56we have to get started

00:47:57and we have to get started

00:47:58Yeah.

00:47:59So, everyone has a train route, dash nine, dash ten nine, which is activated.

00:48:03So, all these problems are still happening.

00:48:07Now, China, America, China is out of control.

00:48:12Cord came out, Cord came out.

00:48:15India, Australia, America, Japan, Japan.

00:48:19So, the Philippines says Cord came out.

00:48:21Cord came out, but Cord came out of militarization.

00:48:24It's a doctrine.

00:48:26Now, until it doesn't write, it means that if you are in Cord and I am in Cord,

00:48:32I will come and put your aid.

00:48:34Now, that's not a sign.

00:48:37So, the Philippines said we must have a squad.

00:48:40S-Q-U-A-D.

00:48:42In which these countries will be Japan, Australia, Philippines, Japan and America.

00:48:49And India and South Korea are also included.

00:48:53This is the start.

00:48:54So, this whole thing which is coming up, it's coming up in such a big way.

00:49:00But this is a way that now in South China Sea, China we know that it is my enemy.

00:49:07So, it will be from Malaysia.

00:49:08They will get restrictions, Malika state.

00:49:09It will be from Malaysia, Malika state.

00:49:10That means их are also from Malaysia.

00:49:11They will get restrictions.

00:49:12So, it will be the sea of Malaysia, and what they are from Malaysia.

00:49:14There is an ANC command, the Underband Recover command, which is the nearest command.

00:49:19So, what did he do?

00:49:21He started to create an internal route right through to Thailand and opening up into the Bay of Bengal.

00:49:29The one that you are explaining us.

00:49:32Bypass.

00:49:34So, this aspect is that now the South China Sea is becoming a big, big thing.

00:49:42But can there be...

00:49:44And now our Prime Minister is already in Bibsek.

00:49:47There is a talk about there.

00:49:49There is a talk about there.

00:49:50But do you think we spoke that war is inevitable?

00:49:53Yes, war is inevitable.

00:49:55Well, it can be watered down.

00:49:57Yeah, but then can we expect there could be a third world war?

00:50:00Because the way the world is fighting.

00:50:02And will this third world war begin from South China Sea?

00:50:07Of course, Russia-Ukraine war is going on.

00:50:09When you are saying the fourth world war, if you decide to leave the third world war, it has already starting.

00:50:13It has already started.

00:50:14It has already started.

00:50:15It has already started.

00:50:16So, what countries are now.

00:50:17In Iraq.

00:50:18When American Iraq was attacked, there were 37 countries on the Iraq side, American side.

00:50:21Yeah.

00:50:22American side.

00:50:23Yeah.

00:50:24All of our visitors' book signed.

00:50:28Why?

00:50:29We were together.

00:50:30Games are here.

00:50:31So this war is going on.

00:50:33But it can become more serious.

00:50:35Because in Gaza, they don't forget.

00:50:38They will catch up.

00:50:40You have already started with Houthis.

00:50:43Houthis are already doing it.

00:50:45China has done this game.

00:50:47There is Iran to supply it.

00:50:49So they will keep Houthis, Hamas and Hezbollah.

00:50:54Rockets, rockets.

00:50:55They are all doing it.

00:50:57And the Islamic countries are playing double games.

00:51:01They are giving lip service.

00:51:02They are giving them money.

00:51:04They are giving them money.

00:51:05They don't want to say it.

00:51:06They are giving them money.

00:51:08They are giving them money.

00:51:10They are giving them money.

00:51:12But India has made a big headway there.

00:51:18It is a very good equation.

00:51:21Not only this, they have started making temples in their country.

00:51:25They are helping them.

00:51:26So there is no doubt about Modi's leadership there.

00:51:31So that is why I am telling you.

00:51:33Everybody says that Modi's a world leader.

00:51:35Why do they say that?

00:51:36He is.

00:51:37It is.

00:51:38I was talking about Ukraine.

00:51:39I was attending a joint meeting on Ukraine thing.

00:51:43Sir, India's role.

00:51:47How India can play a role in ending this war?

00:51:52Ending the temperance down the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

00:51:56It is coming.

00:51:57So this will come.

00:51:58So again, this is the simple thing.

00:52:01You are absolutely right in South China.

00:52:05It can create a big threat.

00:52:10Where the third world war will start.

00:52:13Well, it will not happen.

00:52:14Third world war will not start.

00:52:16Because still the leaders like Prime Minister Modi and all are there.

00:52:21They will water it off.

00:52:22But there are Trumps as well.

00:52:23There is Trumps.

00:52:24No, no.

00:52:25There is Trumps.

00:52:26Trumps.

00:52:27Trumps.

00:52:28Trumps.

00:52:29Trumps.

00:52:30Trumps.

00:52:31Trumps.

00:52:32And they want to sell their weapons as well.

00:52:34Now the point is that every country wants to.

00:52:37Ukraine and Russia.

00:52:40NATO countries are saying that Ukraine is fighting.

00:52:43You are fighting.

00:52:44You are fighting.

00:52:45Now the government will give them.

00:52:46We will give them.

00:52:47We will give them.

00:52:48We will give them.

00:52:49We will give them.

00:52:50We will give them.

00:52:51We will give them.

00:52:52We will give them.

00:52:53We will give them.

00:52:54Please.

00:52:55We will fight.

00:52:56So they will have two wars.

00:52:58Russia will be less.

00:53:01We will get money.

00:53:03We will get strong.

00:53:04We will get strong.

00:53:05And we want to keep America.

00:53:07These are the NATO countries.

00:53:09Why?

00:53:10Because they say that America is so strong.

00:53:13It is our personality.

00:53:15We will take our market.

00:53:17This is the problem.

00:53:18The other one can say.

00:53:21They all go out too.

00:53:22They have also the French President and Bush.

00:53:23They are excite me to hear from the Iraq war.

00:53:25This was an hour.

00:53:27The second Iraq war was starting.

00:53:28There was a time to Video argument.

00:53:31And it was another time to eat.

00:53:32It was another time to eat.

00:53:33There were one other time.

00:53:34The second Iraq war was having done.

00:53:35The other time to eat.

00:53:36The other time to eat.

00:53:37They have to be measured.

00:53:38So, with this scenario, we have to see how India's role, how we can create our interests.

00:53:45Because we have another problem, we have Bangladesh's problem.

00:53:49India has been taking stance when it comes to buying oil and all these things.

00:53:54They have taken stance.

00:53:57But do you think that India can play that major role when it comes to ending the conflict?

00:54:05It is not just Prime Minister Modi, but overall India is a country.

00:54:09India's culture and traditions are there that we prefer peace instead of war.

00:54:18And we will try to bring in peace.

00:54:19This is possible.

00:54:21If Prime Minister Modi does it, it is a very good thing.

00:54:24India has a major role.

00:54:26Because India needs to be done in this time, what do you need to do in this time?

00:54:28Technology needs to be done.

00:54:29Now there will be technology, then there will be technology.

00:54:31It will not be done in this time, but it will not be done in this time.

00:54:36And if the R&D will be done in this time, it will not be done in this time.

00:54:40All that thing will happen.

00:54:41So, war's preparation is not going to be done.

00:54:45We have to do it in this time, but it should not be done in this time.

00:54:48But are you able to understand what Trump is doing?

00:54:51One day he is saying something else, next day he is agitated and then he says something else.

00:54:55And when he said that he is doing it, next day I will get it.

00:54:58What is your analysis of his war's strategy?

00:55:04But the question is, what he has done in the tariff, he meant everything.

00:55:10Adjustment means everything.

00:55:13Every country should work for its own interest.

00:55:17And Trump is doing it for his own interest.

00:55:21Yes, where India and America are converging, it's very good.

00:55:26But where he diverge, he won't care that he will not come to you.

00:55:30But he is putting the U.S. more in trouble.

00:55:33He said that he will end the war.

00:55:36But now U.S. is directly fighting with Houthis.

00:55:39Russia, Ukraine is not getting withdrawal.

00:55:42No, I will not agree.

00:55:43Because Houthis was also getting worse than the Houthis.

00:55:45You are going to do it.

00:55:46Since March 15th, they are attacking like almost every day.

00:55:52And the U.S. is directly trying to attack Yemen.

00:55:56And they have killed almost 60 people.

00:55:59They will do it.

00:56:00Now they are directly involved in a war.

00:56:02That's what it is.

00:56:02When there was a war in Yugoslavia,

00:56:05you don't remember what happened to you.

00:56:07What happened to Iraq?

00:56:09What happened to Iraq?

00:56:10It was all going on.

00:56:12But the question is, ultimately,

00:56:15these three category of radical elements,

00:56:18Houthis, Houthis, Hamas, they have to go.

00:56:23They have no, they have to go.

00:56:25If humanity has to survive, they have to go.

00:56:28This is what I feel.

00:56:29I have the analyser, I feel that way.

00:56:32Of course, there is a lot of emotional touch.

00:56:37You know, when we produce almost 30-40 videos every day about war.

00:56:42And of course, we go through the comments that we have on those videos

00:56:46when it is about Hamas and Houthis.

00:56:48So, Houthis and Hamas and Hezbollah fighters,

00:56:51they are considered like,

00:56:53of course, U.S. calls them terrorists.

00:56:56But they are Mujahideens.

00:56:58Right?

00:56:59Mujahideens of the Middle East.

00:57:01Iran-backed Mujahideens.

00:57:03So, they are heroes in Middle East.

00:57:06So, they are heroes.

00:57:08That's okay.

00:57:09But I travel to Lebanon.

00:57:11Hezbollah rules in Lebanon, not the governments.

00:57:13What is the role of religion?

00:57:17Why religion comes into play?

00:57:18You must understand.

00:57:20Religion and war.

00:57:21Right.

00:57:21Why?

00:57:22Why?

00:57:23If you and me are at,

00:57:25suppose we are two kings,

00:57:27and we want the maximum soldiers on our side,

00:57:30how do I divide the people to get more 50% on our side?

00:57:34Religious divide.

00:57:35Easy.

00:57:36Where the religion is divided,

00:57:38the people have gone to me?

00:57:38Where is the religion?

00:57:40If you have one religion,

00:57:41then divide it.

00:57:42Sunni, Shia.

00:57:44Sunni and Shia too,

00:57:45Sunni and Shia too,

00:57:46then somebody else do it.

00:57:46They do it.

00:57:47They do it.

00:57:47They're in Pakistan.

00:57:48Then they have other big people.

00:57:48You have to have no problem.

00:57:50You have to have no problem.

00:57:51You have to have a Hindu.

00:57:52In India.

00:57:54You have to go to Rathbush.

00:57:55Then it will go.

00:57:56I have them fight.

00:57:58I have to fight.

00:57:59I have to fight.

00:58:00Why?

00:58:01It will not.

00:58:02It will not be.

00:58:02If you have seen one another, what is such a big thing?

00:58:06It's the same thing.

00:58:07It's the same thing here, or it's the same thing here, or it's the same thing.

00:58:10Don't think about this.

00:58:12You have a mental difference.

00:58:14Mental divide creates the religion fast.

00:58:18That is why all the wars of crusades,

00:58:202000 years of war, Christian and Islam,

00:58:24this was in religion.

00:58:27And what was it?

00:58:28It was to take the earth.

00:58:29Same, gold, everything.

00:58:33Everything is promised land.

00:58:35That is why when we read in India,

00:58:39our chapter was written,

00:58:41At one time, Pope of Rome owned three-fourths of the European land.

00:58:46It was his land.

00:58:47Where did he come from?

00:58:47Every king gave it to him.

00:58:50That's why this is called religious war.

00:58:53Religion is a very strong thing.

00:58:57We were speaking that war is always about territory.

00:59:08Always.

00:59:09But then religion is something which puts the fire away.

00:59:15Exactly.

00:59:16The war comes from religion.

00:59:18That's why religion is so important.

00:59:20That's why people are ready.

00:59:21That's why Islam will survive.

00:59:23We eradicate all the religious.

00:59:24They will be pleased.

00:59:25It's right.

00:59:25What does Islam do for survival?

00:59:27What does Islam do for the kaffir?

00:59:29They don't have the right to live.

00:59:30Why?

00:59:31So that your youth will fire.

00:59:33They will fire.

00:59:34They will fire.

00:59:36They will fire.

00:59:37Every time they are thinking.

00:59:39They will fire.

00:59:40They will fire.

00:59:41Why?

00:59:41They are going to get hatred.

00:59:43So if all religions are going to die,

00:59:46then there will be much more peace than what we have today.

00:59:49You will fire.

00:59:52How do you fire your ideas?

00:59:54In your mind, there will be an idea.

00:59:56This is a very strong idea.

00:59:57You will fire.

00:59:58Tomorrow, you will start.

00:59:59There will be a new religion.

01:00:01Of course.

01:00:01You will give good money.

01:00:03We will create a new religion.

01:00:05Why is that?

01:00:06He is not.

01:00:07He is doing it.

01:00:08Religion is the biggest fraud activity as well.

01:00:13I am concerned.

01:00:15God is not religion.

01:00:18So the truth is the truth.

01:00:19So whichever God I believe in,

01:00:21it has nothing to do with my religion.

01:00:23Right.

01:00:24It's just there with you.

01:00:25It's always there.

01:00:26It was before religion.

01:00:27So why is the religion?

01:00:29So this is the truth.

01:00:31So this is the story of South China Sea.

01:00:33This is the story of South China Sea.

01:00:34Now you should know that

01:00:36India is South China Sea as well.

01:00:39But India is first to see Bangladesh.

01:00:41Bangladesh is the biggest problem.

01:00:44I think for India is that

01:00:45we are around the countries,

01:00:47which is Sri Lanka, which is devastated.

01:00:50Then we are Pakistan, devastated.

01:00:52We have Nepal, which is obviously now

01:00:54we have pro-monarchy protests and violence going on.

01:00:57No, no.

01:00:57But the question is pro-monarchy.

01:01:00Yes, for surprise, pro-monarchy.

01:01:03In Nepal, pro-monarchy is very good for,

01:01:06as far as I am concerned, very good for India.

01:01:10Why?

01:01:10There is another tug of war between India and China.

01:01:13Because, because that we tell you,

01:01:15our entire culture, our entire cultural thinking,

01:01:19your entire scriptures is based on king and peace.

01:01:22Yes.

01:01:23Yes.

01:01:23In this, you have been in 1947.

01:01:25I have been told that I have no king,

01:01:26but it's not our own.

01:01:28It's not our own.

01:01:29It's not our own.

01:01:30It's not our own.

01:01:31Was it in our culture?

01:01:32Ever?

01:01:32It was our own.

01:01:33It was our own.

01:01:34It's not our own.

01:01:35It's not our own.

01:01:36is illegal.

01:01:37It was not the king's court.

01:01:39They had their own money.

01:01:42The politicians said that the king will not come.

01:01:49They will ban him.

01:01:52They will ban him.

01:01:54They will ban him.

01:01:55If the king is the king, then how do you do it?

01:01:59No, the king is not the king.

01:02:01We have to progress.

01:02:03But you should have maintained their symbol at least.

01:02:06Legacy at least.

01:02:08So, legacy.

01:02:09So, you have to maintain your culture.

01:02:12Now you go to the states.

01:02:17What is the name of the king?

01:02:20What is the name of the king?

01:02:22What is the name of the king?

01:02:24People are always going to pray.

01:02:25They are not going to pray.

01:02:27This is the name of the king.

01:02:30So, it is not the name of the king.

01:02:32There is no friction.

01:02:34After all,

01:02:35We had a time in The Haifa.

01:02:36People are going to pray.

01:02:37Who were they?

01:02:38Turkey, Germany.

01:02:39in Israel, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Haifa, in Turkey, Germany, and Austria, one side.

01:02:51Who did they?

01:02:53The entire Australia, England, Australia, ultimately, Jodhpur, Metsud, and Hyderabad.

01:03:00Three lancers, three regimenters, and they had to fight.

01:03:05They were the king of India and China.

01:03:09Yes, our lancers are standing there and put their lancers.

01:03:12This is the spirit.

01:03:14When we talk about Nepal, the tug of war is there between India and China.

01:03:21Nepal is the only surviving Hindu Sanskrit.

01:03:30Which is pure.

01:03:32Pure.

01:03:33They are now living in Nepal.

01:03:34And the whole Hinduism of our religious ethos is in Nepal.

01:03:39We don't have any questions.

01:03:41Everything is a major chunk in Nepal.

01:03:47all those regions in China.

01:03:52They all go to Nepal, all those who go there.

01:03:54They work.

01:03:55Nepal is the survival of our Hinduism.

01:03:58If you don't say only Hinduism…

01:04:08So why do you say that Hindu is a shame?

01:04:11You can say that there are many people who will go to the temple.

01:04:18You can say that there is a shame that you go to the temple.

01:04:21Why?

01:04:22Because you don't have a sin.

01:04:25You can understand that you are not a sin.

01:04:28A sin means that I am useless.

01:04:30You can say that Hindu is a shame.

01:04:33Who do you see?

01:04:36I am not a sin.

01:04:40Oh, temple I never go.

01:04:42English is a shame.

01:04:44Oh, Hinditwa.

01:04:46They are not a problem.

01:04:48Islam is a problem.

01:04:50Islam is a problem.

01:04:52Hinditwa is a problem.

01:04:54The problem is when you think you are hind.

01:05:00When I think I am lower than you.

01:05:04I will talk to them.

01:05:06I am not confident.

01:05:08I am not confident.

01:05:10And I think I am lesser than you.

01:05:12So I will try to hide them.

01:05:14That is why.

01:05:16And that is why the force is so strong.

01:05:18Indian army is so strong.

01:05:20It is wrong.

01:05:22It is wrong.

01:05:23It is wrong.

01:05:24It is wrong.

01:05:25but religion is not working. That is why the army of the priest is in uniform.

01:05:34J.C.O.'s uniform. He has a gun. He has a gun. He does all the prayer.

01:05:40In one place, a Hindu, a Muslim and a Christian in a hall are sitting in a hall.

01:05:47In the day, he has a disease. He does all the prayer.

01:05:52He does all the prayer.

01:05:54I was there in Golan Heights and US Peacekeeper Forces, Indians were there, Indian army was there.

01:06:01We had a temple. We had everything like Hindu, Muslim, Christians.

01:06:07J.C.O.?

01:06:08J.C.O.?

01:06:09J.C.O.?

01:06:10J.C.O.?

01:06:11J.C.O.?

01:06:12J.C.O.?

01:06:13J.C.O.?

01:06:14J.C.O.?

01:06:15J.C.O.?

01:06:16J.C.O.?

01:06:17J.C.O.?

01:06:18J.C.O.?

01:06:19J.C.O.?

01:06:20J.C.O.?

01:06:21J.C.O.?

01:06:22J.C.O.:

01:06:24J.C.O.

01:06:25J.C.O.

01:06:26J.C.O.?

01:06:27army regiment's. So there were caste based regiment's first.

01:06:32Yes, there are now.

01:06:34But caste based.

01:06:35It's not caste based.

01:06:37It's not caste based. It's not that they are high caste.

01:06:40They were the same as they came to a place.

01:06:43When you have 15 people, 20 people are in competition.

01:06:48One year, someone will be scared.

01:06:51So they will tell me they will tell me.

01:06:54can't be able to get back.

01:06:56Then, we can't move back.

01:06:58We can't move back.

01:07:00We can't move back.

01:07:02There is competition.

01:07:04The champion's little girl will be able to get back.

01:07:06Who will be able to get back?

01:07:08This feeling is a healthy competition.

01:07:14It's not a good thing.

01:07:16It's not a good thing.

01:07:18This is very important.

01:07:20We come from one place,

01:07:22now this is a good thing.

01:07:24And now, a girl comes to the house.

01:07:26She sees the medals.

01:07:28She sees the medals.

01:07:30That's different.

01:07:32It's different.

01:07:34That's how the commanding officer says.

01:07:38That it's a great victory.

01:07:40That it's a great victory.

01:07:42That it's the same thing.

01:07:44That's different.

01:07:46The environment is when you come from traditions, customs and traditions.

01:07:50traditions

01:07:51according to the

01:07:52traditions

01:07:53where you will

01:07:54start to

01:07:55start

01:07:56and you will

01:07:57make an office

01:07:58and you will

01:07:59make an office

01:07:59and you will

01:08:00say that China

01:08:01will not go

01:08:02and you will

01:08:03say that

01:08:03he will

01:08:04say that

01:08:05he will

01:08:06say that

01:08:07he will

01:08:08say that

01:08:09he will

01:08:10say that

01:08:11in Punjab

01:08:12police

01:08:13and his son

01:08:14and his son

01:08:15had 15-20

01:08:15people

01:08:15met

01:08:1612

01:08:17now

01:08:19the fact that

01:08:19the fact

01:08:20What will happen? What will you think of the army?

01:08:23I am aware of this.

01:08:26Our pride is ours.

01:08:27Someone will kill my son tomorrow.

01:08:29Someone will kill my wife tomorrow.

01:08:30I think that there is a lot of respect for veterans.

01:08:39But do you think that we as Indians,

01:08:43we have treated our war veterans well?

01:08:46Look, there is one thing to write about it.

01:08:53But it is something to work for them.

01:08:58If you have a pension for a pension,

01:09:01and you have a commitment to write about it,

01:09:03then what does it mean?

01:09:07Our problem is coming here.

01:09:10We have not been able to satisfy.

01:09:12But this was the first time.

01:09:16In the past 10-10 years, this world has been changed.

01:09:21When I saw the memorial of the war,

01:09:24the first people said,

01:09:25the memorial of the war?

01:09:26We will create a police memorial.

01:09:29They want to equate the police and the army.

01:09:33There are no police who are doing their work.

01:09:36The police are doing their work.

01:09:37The police are doing their work.

01:09:39But they can compare them.

01:09:40They can compare them.

01:09:42They can compare them to the people.

01:09:43In the military or the army,

01:09:46there can be differences on various officials issues.

01:09:49They can compare them to them.

01:09:51Now I will talk about the sound block as my habit is.

01:09:56Posting to do it.

01:09:58Then it will happen.

01:10:01The question is that you need to see the army.

01:10:08That is what started again.

01:10:12That is what you need to rectify.

01:10:15It has been changed very fast.

01:10:30Now the world is changing.

01:10:33If you go to war memorial, you can see it.

01:10:37Yes sir.

01:10:38We have brought new war memorials.

01:10:40Well, this is not all I must say.

01:10:45I have multiple questions.

01:10:47But my camera person is just waving me that time is going up and up.

01:10:52The camera is running for a reel.

01:10:53More stories to do.

01:10:55So sir.

01:10:56Have you forgotten one thing in Nepal?

01:10:58What do you say?

01:10:59That is Bangladesh.

01:11:00But we want to.

01:11:01No, I had to take it and you forgot it.

01:11:03This is something that we want to understand.

01:11:06So what he was trying to explain that how we can have.

01:11:11There are multiple locations or multiple border areas which are so important for us.

01:11:16But we don't understand the implications if we lose those places.

01:11:20And why we need to.

01:11:22Simple things.

01:11:23If you talk about the POK is very important.

01:11:28Yes, POK is important.

01:11:29We have to take it.

01:11:30But now.

01:11:31Bangladesh.

01:11:32Mr. Yunus has gone to China.

01:11:33And he is saying.

01:11:34We have to take a chicken's neck.

01:11:35Chicken's neck is this area.

01:11:36In Nepal.

01:11:37And Bangladesh.

01:11:38When it comes very close to Bangdougra.

01:11:39And Sirliguri.

01:11:40This is chicken's neck area.

01:11:41This is chicken's neck area.

01:11:42Which is.

01:11:43Comes very close.

01:11:44Chicken's neck area.

01:11:45Which is between Nepal.

01:11:46And India's Bihal.

01:11:47Yeah.

01:11:48And.

01:11:49And.

01:11:50And.

01:11:51And.

01:11:52This is chicken's neck area.

01:11:53Which is.

01:11:54Comes very close.

01:11:55Chicken's neck area.

01:11:56Which is between Nepal.

01:11:57And India's Bihal.

01:11:58Yeah.

01:11:59And.

01:12:00And.

01:12:01And.

01:12:02And.

01:12:03And.

01:12:04And.

01:12:05And.

01:12:06And.

01:12:07And.

01:12:08And.

01:12:09And.

01:12:10And.

01:12:11And.

01:12:12And.

01:12:13And.

01:12:14And.

01:12:15Which is.

01:12:17Unfortunately.

01:12:18which is.

01:12:19Which is.

01:12:20Once.

01:12:21This that DESA.

01:12:22Which.

01:12:23Bunga Daesh.

01:12:24Chitagang.

01:12:25ant.

01:12:26That.

01:12:27That will work.

01:12:28Andrew.

01:12:29Chitagang.

01:12:42here.

01:12:43T suffering is a little.

01:12:44So this Shilong is in the West, if you look at Bihar's area, this area is only 80 to 100 km, if we take this area, if we take this area, this area will come.

01:12:57If we take this area, you need to know that we can do this.

01:13:02And this is what we can do.

01:13:04And we thought that in 1971 war, why didn't we take this?

01:13:08Why didn't we take this?

01:13:09Why didn't we take this?

01:13:11Why didn't we take this?

01:13:13Why didn't we take this?

01:13:14Doctrinal thinking.

01:13:16That's what I have done.

01:13:18Don't do anything.

01:13:19Don't do anything about football.

01:13:21But if we try to attempt to take these areas, we will have a big war.

01:13:27You will only attempt if they attempt to take this area, this chicken's neck, Siliguri Corridor.

01:13:35If they do Siliguri Corridor, then we can do this.

01:13:38And if there was a big war, then I don't expect you to say that there will be a big war.

01:13:43If there is war, we will fight.

01:13:44Of course.

01:13:45We should do this.

01:13:46But we won't have a war.

01:13:48But do you think the relations are a little over and over?

01:13:51Yes.

01:13:52With Bangladesh.

01:13:53Of course.

01:13:54With Bangladesh.

01:13:55With Bangladesh.

01:13:56With Bangladesh.

01:13:57With Bangladesh.

01:13:58With Bangladesh.

01:13:59Yes.

01:14:00Yes.

01:14:01And Pakistan is our relationship.

01:14:03And Nepal is our relationship.

01:14:05I think with this pro-monarchy protest.

01:14:07If monarchy.

01:14:08No.

01:14:09With Nepal.

01:14:10With Nepal.

01:14:11With Nepal.

01:14:12Our relationship will be good.

01:14:14I'm telling you.

01:14:15I'm telling you.

01:14:16What day monarchy will come.

01:14:17That day.

01:14:18Hindu ethos.

01:14:19Indian ethos.

01:14:20And Nepal.

01:14:21Will come closer.

01:14:22Where monarchy is gone.

01:14:23There.

01:14:24People will come.

01:14:25And every China will come.

01:14:27Everything will close.

01:14:28Binding factor is monarchy.

01:14:30Right.

01:14:31Well.

01:14:32This is where we will end this podcast.

01:14:33Of course.

01:14:34You have a lot to know about.

01:14:35What is happening in the world.

01:14:36But in our next episode.

01:14:37We'll try to bring in more information about what is happening in Gaza.

01:14:38So.

01:14:39Keep watching our podcast.

01:14:40We'll keep touching on issues like this.

01:14:42And we'll have so much of entertainment with people like this.

01:14:44Commander Bakshi.

01:14:45Who is outspoken.

01:14:47Wing Commander Bakshi.

01:14:52Wing Commander.

01:14:58Wing Commander.

01:14:59Wing Commander Bakshi.

01:15:07Wing Commander Bakshi.

01:15:10He has been outspoken.

01:15:11He didn't mince his words.

01:15:14words. So I hope you enjoyed this entire podcast and came to know things that you didn't know

01:15:19before. This is Nagin Singh for One India.

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