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00:00I mean, quite a lot of the Europeans are pretty critical of the U.S. efforts to bring about a
00:06ceasefire. They say, you know, Russia is using stalling tactics and, you know, President Macron
00:12saying it's time to use some strong action if this carries on. I mean, judging from what they're
00:18saying and from what you're saying as well, I'm just wondering whether you think the Trump
00:21administration is wrong to be engaging with the Russians at this stage at all.
00:25Well, they're not wrong to be engaging with Russia, but it's the how they're doing it,
00:31which I think is completely wrong-footed. You can't deal with Russia as if there's some
00:38third world country or somebody that's serious about negotiation. I mean, and so the administration's
00:47approach is either totally naive or is incompetent, or there's something else there that
00:55we just don't know about.