Tobin and Leroy dive into Cat Talk which somehow leads into a discussion if Tobin hates Andrew Wiggins or is too hard on the Miami Heat forward for missing all these games
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00:11They take on the Toronto Maple Leafs, who are, they still
00:14are chasing in their division.
00:16Got them last time.
00:17The, uh, the Maple Leafs.
00:19It's actually the last team that the cat's beaten regulation
00:21back in the middle of March.
00:22So this, uh, list, we talked about this earlier in the show right now.
00:27The, uh, the list is, I mean, vast with all the things that cats are dealing
00:32with, Matthew could Chuck, of course, he did, uh, tease his comeback on
00:39social media, dealing with the groin.
00:41We have Eckblad who can return game three of a first round series.
00:45Kulikov, Sturm, Barkov, all dealing with injuries.
00:48None of them super serious.
00:51According to Paul Maurice, they should all be back this last game.
00:55Just shot, uh, shut down Reinhardt Bennett and Forsling.
00:58And the only guy really of note that played of age was Marchand.
01:03Who's like saying, I want to get in as many games as possible.
01:06We're really like, we haven't had that, that moment other than the
01:10first game and overtime with, uh, with Bennett, we haven't had that
01:14like Marchand impact yet as he's trying to find his way with the
01:18cow, is it harder to get that Marchand impact because there's a
01:22lot of other guys out also.
01:24Got to be part of it.
01:24You would think, right?
01:25Like all these, all the guys who are in and out, you know,
01:28it's like a guy who leads the league in assists.
01:31If there ain't nobody making no shots, you ain't going to lead the league in assists.
01:34It's like the opposite of, uh, Andrew Wiggins.
01:36Like Andrew Wiggins got here.
01:38Stop playing games.
01:38Marchand got here.
01:39Everybody else stopped playing games.
01:42Wow.
01:43What do you, do you not like Andrew Wiggins?
01:46What did I say?
01:48What did I say?
01:48That was going through?
01:49Oh,
01:49what did I say?
01:50You don't know enough.
01:52Yeah, I got nothing against Andrew Wiggins.
01:54You're always throwing, you're always throwing subtle jabs at Wiggins.
02:00I don't understand what the problem is.
02:04What do you, what do you, what do you, you and the Canadians at your house?
02:06Meemaw, she says, don't, don't he speak, he better not speak bad of Maple Jordan.
02:10She wouldn't know Andrew Wiggins if he came to the house
02:14and offered to take her to lunch.
02:17He seems like a lovely man.
02:19I have nothing against him.
02:20Nothing.
02:20I'm just saying like he got traded here.
02:23It seems like you should have more problem with Marchand because of all the
02:26stuff you've dealt with, with Marchand.
02:29But like you always do.
02:34Why?
02:34Why?
02:35So I should have more of a problem with Marshawn just cause he was a pain.
02:37He was a, he was a malcontent.
02:39Yeah, no.
02:40And Andrew, I'm just saying in general, in general, Wiggins is a likable guy.
02:46It's unfortunate that he got hurt.
02:48It's not something that he normally, I don't take shots at Andrew Wiggins.
02:53I don't like Cody saying you always take shots.
02:55Did you?
02:55I don't take shots at him.
02:58I don't take shots at him.
02:59Dude, I don't think it's a wig.
03:01You know what?
03:03And look, you guys can get on me and say that I fat shame, even
03:08though I gave it up for Lent.
03:09Right.
03:11But this guy attacks people and then chalks it up to like, I was sleep, like
03:17sleepwalking, like you sleep shame people.
03:20Like you say, I've never said anything negative about it.
03:22You'll be right.
03:23Andrew Wiggins, since he got here and didn't stop, that's true.
03:28Dude, Marcos.
03:32If you just think off the top of your head, all the comments that this
03:36man has made about Andrew Wiggins, could you come to the conclusion that
03:41I don't think he likes Andrew Wiggins?
03:43Yes, but because this guy never plays, dude, and you just play plays a lot of
03:51games, but I know, but you know what he hasn't, so I trust, I trust that he's
03:57hurt for real and not going to watch tennis.
03:59I'm not accused.
04:00I'm not accusing Andrew Wiggins of fact, it's kind of hard.
04:04I will say he's got a bad board face.
04:06He's got a bad board face.
04:08And what I mean by that is when he's on that board, he's got a bad
04:12when he's on that bench, he looks
04:17or some would look at that as being miserable that he can't play maybe, but
04:22he doesn't seem, he doesn't seem to be between somebody who likes a guy and
04:29somebody who doesn't, because I say, I look at Wiggins and I go, man, he looks
04:35miserable that he can't play.
04:36He totally looks at him.
04:37Who doesn't like him to say he looks like a lovely individual.
04:43I have nothing against Andrew Wiggins.
04:45Never would have really, really, really do.
04:50What?
04:54Come on.
04:55Like, dude, you have, you have been relentless since he got here.
04:59I've been relentless.
05:01Yes.
05:02I don't think that's true.
05:03Marcos, please.
05:13No, dude, everybody knows what I'm saying.
05:16Look, you're not guilty.
05:19No, you just do it like you're sleepwalking.
05:21Like when you get up, you don't even realize you're doing it.
05:25Give me one caller to tell me one thing I've said about Andrew Wiggins.
05:28Three Oh five, five, six, seven Oh five 60.
05:30I don't think that's true.
05:31I don't think that's true.
05:32If you do, I give you the, I'll give you the, uh, the Marlins tickets.
05:35If you can name one thing I've said about Andrew Wiggins, that's actually
05:37been negative about Andrew Wiggins.
05:38I've said nothing bad about Andrew Wiggins.
05:40I got nothing against Andrew Wiggins.
05:41Seems like a lovely individual seconds ago.
05:44What did I say?
05:45Oh, oh, that Marshawn.
05:47He, he comes to the team and he plays and everybody else is hurt.
05:50Wiggins.
05:51So when you say it in that tone, which is not the tone that I used,
05:56you could say that about, that's like saying, that's like saying, Hey, you're
06:03a jackass and then going, you're a jackass, right?
06:08It's the tone.
06:09I didn't say it's the words, the words hurt.
06:14I was like,
06:20exaggerated tone does a little much.
06:21You know, you talk about it and you can be like, Oh, firefighters.
06:25They're always helping us.
06:27All right.
06:27Well, let's see what this call.
06:28What's this guy's name?
06:29Marcos.
06:31Should I just put them on the air?
06:33Hey, a five 60.
06:34What's your name?
06:36Raphael.
06:37Hey Raphael.
06:37You're on the air, buddy.
06:38Uh, have I really been tough on Andrew Wiggins?
06:40How I've been tough on Andrew Wiggins.
06:43So Leroy just said what I was going to say.
06:44You just did it.
06:45Not even 45 seconds ago.
06:46A minute ago.
06:47Was that tough on Andrew Wiggins?
06:49What did I say?
06:50That was so wrong.
06:51You're, you're praising Marshawn a hundred percent.
06:54I wasn't really praising Marshawn though.
06:56I was just saying it's weird.
06:58I'll take my tickets though.
07:06Hey, I'm not though, dude, you know what?
07:11After this ass, this last little backhanded slam of Andrew Wiggins.
07:17I just started putting it all together.
07:18And I'm like, he must not like Andrew Wiggins.
07:25He's a tremendously talented player who doesn't play very much.
07:31Dude, for the heat, you, you, it's almost like, I'm telling you, it's like you
07:37sleep while going in the kitchen and eat up some cake and then you would say, oh,
07:42I don't even remember doing that.
07:43I was sleepwalking.
07:44That's how you are with Wiggins.
07:46I don't think you try.
07:47Oh my goodness.
07:49Andrew Wiggins has had good games.
07:50I've given credit where credit's due.
07:52And then the next week he goes, Hey, you can't go from 30 to 10.
07:56Like you, you've been killing him.
07:59I mean, he does do that a lot though.
08:00We're like 25.
08:02You're not going to score 25 every night or you average 20.
08:06Does it average 25?
08:07But like, even if, what does he average?
08:09Does he have 20?
08:10Uh, I don't know.
08:11I don't know what his heat average is, but you know, obviously it's skewed
08:14because he's played like four games.
08:15So.
08:16I think that for his standpoint, he's playing half the game since he's been
08:20barely dude, like barely see, wait, let me explain something to you.
08:27Even in your last comment, in effect, you're ripping him.
08:33He's played half of the game since he's been here.
08:35You said he has only played four games.
08:38You would have thought, hold on.
08:40But you're coming out by saying something like that.
08:43But people said when Andrew Wiggins got traded here, all right,
08:46we gave him Jimmy's number.
08:48He's going to play more than Jimmy.
08:50And he has it.
08:52They're like, Oh, it's going to just be addition.
08:54Injuries happen.
08:56It's unfortunate.
08:57It is unfortunate.
08:59That's all I was saying.
09:00But, but let me ask you a question.
09:03When Jimmy was here and he said he was hurt, did you question
09:07whether he was hurting or not?
09:08He was faking it.
09:09Okay.
09:10Now this is for you.
09:11So, so now we go to Wiggins.
09:14Are you putting that same thing on Andrew Wiggins?
09:17It's no, I have nothing against them.
09:20Like if he's hurt, he's hurt.
09:22You can't control that.
09:23You're right.
09:24Like, but it doesn't stop you from going.
09:26Oh, Oh my goodness.
09:29You can't.
09:30Like, I remember after he scored 40 points and he came back and
09:33scored like 15 and you're like, Hey, that's like, Hey, Wiggy.
09:37How about you?
09:38Yeah.
09:38Yeah.
09:39You scored like, you just, you have been relentless against this dude.
09:44I haven't been relentless.
09:45You don't really, because maybe you've been in a trance, but I'm
09:49telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
09:52Hello.
09:54Hello.
09:54Hey, what's up, man?
09:55What's your name?
09:56Oh, this is Mario.
09:57What's up, Mario?
10:00Oh, yes.
10:00Uh, hello.
10:03I'm here, buddy.
10:04You're on the air.
10:05Please get out.
10:07How are you buddy?
10:09Hey man.
10:09I just seen, I want you to live right now, man, but low pro.
10:13I'm just saying you don't have to hate on Wiggins like that.
10:19No, I'm not hating on Andrew Wiggins.
10:22Hating on him.
10:23I love, I love just to man.
10:25Look, I don't think he's miserable here, man.
10:27I think he just looks poor for some reason, bro.
10:30Yeah.
10:30He's got one of those faces.
10:31Like he just looks bored.
10:33I'm not saying he hates it here.
10:34I'm sure he loves it here.
10:35What's not to love, but he looks like he's like, man.
10:39Bored.
10:40I don't know.
10:40I like, I have this tone that you might hate him for no reason.
10:43I don't hate him for, why would I hate him?
10:46Here's the problem.
10:48Here's the problem that because we so used to it, we let it go.
10:53And then it just got too far.
10:56Right?
10:56So some had to be said, and then you had the audacity to say, what
11:03does it happen before you have more of a chance of saying when it hasn't happened.
11:09That's how much you want Wiggins.
11:10That's how much you want Wiggins.
11:12Some say, when it hasn't happened, that's how much you want.
11:15Wiggins.
11:16I'm not on Wiggins.
11:18My goodness.
11:20You are just, let me tell you something.
11:24You're my boy.
11:25Right.
11:26And, uh, and we, we think it's theves, right?
11:30But let me say this.
11:32Don't lie in front of the kids.
11:34It's not a good look.
11:36You lined in front, all our people, all the people got receipts.
11:40You
11:42There is nobody, there is nobody that is going to side with you on this.
11:47We brought it up after it just got too far, it's too much.
11:52Because he's the king of 20 for nothing?
11:54You throw him back, wait, what do you, see, what was that?
11:57A lot of the games, he scored 20, he had no impact on the win.
12:01Oh, so now you're complaining about him scoring 20?
12:04No, I'm just saying, in those games, most of those games, other than the Charlotte game,
12:10it's mostly been 20 for nothing.
12:13Yeah, but guess what?
12:15The team was playing poorly.
12:18So why are you putting it on him?
12:20I'm not putting it on him, but you're giving him a free pass.
12:23Yes, you are!
12:24Wait a minute, you just nicknamed a player 20 for nothing.
12:27You basically called Andrew Wiggins a looter and a rioter.
12:31Okay, hey, what is your definition of 20 points for nothing?
12:37What is my definition?
12:38It's called a looter and a rioter.
12:40No, no, no, it's not a looter and a rioter.
12:42Really, Marcos?
12:43It's not a looter and a rioter.
12:44Nah, it's a looter and a rioter.
12:45You gotta score more for a looter and a rioter.
12:48More than, oh, so he's not, wait, wait, wait.
12:51Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
12:55So Marcos, he is saying Andrew Wiggins is not even good enough to be a looter and a rioter.
13:03I didn't say that, he's an all-star, I would never say that about Andrew Wiggins.
13:06Did you not just say you gotta score more than 20 to be a looter and a rioter?
13:10Well, it's not that, see, here's the thing.
13:12There's people who score 20 and you're like, that was 20, you know?
13:15Like, I would argue Slo Mo's been a more impactful player than him.
13:20When? Because they've been winning?
13:21Well, I mean, I just think Slo Mo's got the keys, you know?
13:24I don't know.
13:25Davion Mitchell, more impactful as well.
13:27Kyle, what's up, man?
13:29Hey, Tobin, Leroy, Frog Boy.
13:32Look, I like Wiggins.
13:34You know, he's great defensively.
13:36You know, some nights he might score 20, the other 12.
13:40We're used to that down here.
13:42But, you know, what is there for us to really love about him so far?
13:47He's missed half the games he's been here for.
13:50You know he's not really in the future plans past next year, maybe.
13:55You know, it'd be nice if he was on the court, is all.
13:59That's all? Yeah, it's nothing against him.
14:02It's nothing against him.
14:03I'm not going to get on somebody for being injured.
14:05He's hurt.
14:06Wait, wait, wait.
14:08Here we go.
14:10I'm fine with that.
14:11I'm fine with you saying,
14:13Man, I wish Wiggins could get back out there.
14:15I wish he could be healthy enough to be out there.
14:18I'm fine with that.
14:19That's not what you did, my man.
14:21That's not what you did.
14:22Marcos, Marcos.
14:24At any point in time, did Tobin ever say,
14:27You know what, when Wiggins gets back,
14:29this team going to be able to go on the run or something like that?
14:31Or be able to have some more scoring or be able to nut.
14:34You never said that.
14:35You're taking liberties.
14:36Okay, first of all, let's go where this all started.
14:39All I was saying was,
14:40Initially, this is a hard thing for Brad Marchand,
14:43because he doesn't get to play with his teammates,
14:44which you agreed with.
14:45And I'm just saying,
14:47It's kind of been the opposite for Andrew Wiggins,
14:49who his new teammates haven't even gotten to play with.
14:51If we talk about Marchand,
14:52Why we got to bring up Wiggins in the 100 points?
14:54Two big trades.
14:55Two big trades in the middle.
14:56It's not the same though.
14:58Is it?
14:59Because we're adding Marchand to a team
15:02that's been to two straight Stanley Cup finals.
15:06Okay, whatever.
15:07What did you think was going to happen when Wiggins got here?
15:10I didn't expect Andrew Wiggins to.
15:12Well, I mean, listen,
15:13I think in a great scape,
15:15you would have thought he would have come here
15:17and you would have added something
15:19because you got nothing out of Jimmy Butler this year.
15:22So you're basically just making an addition into the team.
15:25You're like replacing Hawkins with him.
15:27And really, it's been a lot of 20 for nothing.
15:28And the longest losing streak in 15 years.
15:32I've said all year
15:35that this team looks like a playing team.
15:38Right?
15:41And the health part of it
15:44and having guys in and out doesn't help that.
15:48But Wiggins is going to be more consistent
15:52with minutes and games when he gets healthy.
15:54And I think that's going to play a.
15:58See?
15:59There we go.
16:00A couple games left, dude.
16:01Maybe five.
16:03You know?
16:05I'm sorry.
16:06He couldn't time his injury to happen on the offseason.
16:09It's unfortunate timing.
16:10It is.
16:11What's your name?
16:12Yo, Tobin.
16:13Hey, what's up, man?
16:15Can I ask you this question?
16:16Sure.
16:18Do you think Wiggins is part of the future
16:20or do you think he's like a trade piece to you?
16:23Like a superstar player here in Miami or something?
16:26It's hard.
16:27What's your name?
16:28Mario.
16:29It's hard to say.
16:30It's hard to say.
16:31I don't know what his future piece is.
16:32Right?
16:33Like he doesn't make a crazy amount of money
16:36and he's a good player.
16:38There's no denying that there's talent there.
16:41I mean, there's a lot of 20 for nothing.
16:42But like other than that.
16:44Like why do you say that?
16:46He's very clearly.
16:47Listen, he's been part of a winning team before.
16:49You know, he's like the fourth most important warrior.
16:51But like he almost won the MVP.
16:54No, he didn't.
16:55You keep doing that.
16:56No, he didn't.
16:57He was very good on the team.
16:58Let's not say things that aren't true.
16:59Do they win that championship without Wiggins?
17:02I would say no, but he was the most valuable.
17:04Like you're taking liberties.
17:06You're taking liberties.
17:09Is that any different than Caleb almost winning it in?
17:13No, because Caleb actually almost won the conference finals MVP.
17:18He was that good.
17:20Yeah.
17:21So go look at the finals with Wiggins, dude.
17:23I think you don't have to look at the finals.
17:25He was very good for them, but Steph Curry was the most valuable.
17:28Yeah, I think Steph Curry outscored him by 12 points per game.
17:31Not close.
17:33No.
17:34But very good.
17:35Very important.
17:36He outscored him by 12 points a game.
17:37I think it was like 18 to 30.
17:39Steph Curry was amazing in that series, Leroy.
17:41Okay.
17:42But Steph Curry.
17:43Hey, listen, I'm not taking anything away.
17:44He's a champion.
17:45You are.
17:46I'm not taking anything away from him.
17:48If anything, you're taking things away from him because you're trying to puff up things that aren't true.
17:51Hold on.
17:52He should just be able to stand on what's true.
17:54This all started when you call Andrew Wiggins 20 for nothing.
17:58No, no, no, no.
17:59It started because I was trying to make a point about Marshan and you took liberties.
18:03Because why would you didn't talk about Wiggins?
18:05Because you know why?
18:06You had him in your back pocket.
18:08Oh, this is a perfect time to go in on it.
18:10Trash Wiggins again.
18:12Dolphin Kane says Tobin, ask Riley if Wiggins would have played more games when they have won those games.
18:17I think I'm going to take it out.
18:18I'm going to send that question out.
18:20One more.
18:21560.
18:22What's your name?
18:24Yo, what's up?
18:25What's up, Tobin?
18:26What's up, man?
18:27What's your name?
18:28Good, good.
18:29My name is Amit.
18:30I just wanted to destroy a legal statement.
18:32I'm watching all your videos, man.
18:34You're not hating on Wiggins, bro.
18:36Thanks, man.
18:37Wow.
18:38Look at that.
18:39He did the research.
18:40He's not hating on Wiggins, bro.
18:41He's not playing.
18:42That's the only thing.
18:43And we're talking about it all the time.
18:44The guy's not playing.
18:45He's playing well when he's on the basketball field, but he's not playing enough.
18:51I'm telling you, dude.
18:52You play great on the basketball field.
18:54Things are going to happen.
18:55Don't.
18:56He was on your side.
18:57Right?
18:58Don't.
18:59One.
19:03I haven't hated on him.
19:04I really haven't.
19:06Has it been underwhelming?
19:07I think that's fair.
19:09Speaking of underwhelming, thankfully, Tom's in that finals.
19:12I mean, come on.
19:13Oh, my goodness.
19:15What are we even doing?
19:17I think we have him instead of Andrew Wiggins.
19:19If Jimmy Butler would have hit that shot, though, against the Celtics, they would have
19:23beaten the Warriors.
19:25Yeah.
19:26Would have killed Andrew Wiggins, and he would be here with no championships.
19:29True.
19:30So in a lot of ways, he's lucky that Jimmy missed that shot.
19:33Okay.
19:34I thought I'm rooting for Jimmy Butler anymore.
19:35But I mean, I'm just saying.
19:36Yeah.
19:37Anyway, gotta take a break.
19:40What?
19:42I'm not a hater, dude.
19:43Listen, if anybody on this show is a hater, it's you.
19:49It's you.
19:50Not me.
19:51Yeah, you.
19:52And you deny it all the time.
19:53Oh, I didn't say it.
19:54I don't feel that way.
19:55So my question is, why do you not?
19:59Because I'm not hating on him.
20:00I'm not hating on him.
20:01Really?
20:02I'm not hating on him.
20:03What was the nicest thing that you've said about Wiggins in the last five minutes?
20:10Oh, that's not fair.
20:1220 for nothing.
20:13That's not fair.
20:15That's not fair.
20:16I've said when he.
20:17You know me.
20:18Okay.
20:19They call me the prop man.
20:20Props where props is due.
20:21That's what I always do.
20:23When props are due, I give props.
20:27When he's had good games or even if he's had good games and losses, I've given props where props is due.
20:32That's not.
20:33No.
20:34If he had good games and they were in losses, here's what you would have said.
20:40You wouldn't have said 20 for nothing.
20:42That's not true.
20:43He's just.
20:49The worst.