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00:00Good evening, welcome to a new episode of Good Evening Talk.
00:14After the fall of the curtain on half of the state government, the political scene entered a very important stage.
00:20For the majority of the government, what is left of a political era will embody a stage of loyalty to the promises
00:26that the government program included, or what is left of it.
00:30At the top of the priorities is the issue of employment, investment support, and the continuation of the social state workshop.
00:36And with what was mentioned earlier, the work to prepare for the upcoming elections through their presentation
00:41of a political speech that touches on the aspirations of the Moroccan electorate.
00:45On the one hand, the opposition began to evaluate the government's achievements and oversee what will come
00:49through a critical speech indicating a government failure at several levels.
00:54The social protection system has reached the peak of purchasing power for citizens,
00:58and unemployment has reached record levels.
01:01Without forgetting the government's deceit, which made the majority parties control the legislation
01:06and pass decisive laws that did not satisfy the opposition, for example, the imprisonment law.
01:13Between the majority and the opposition, the Moroccan citizen follows this political path,
01:17and what will emerge from a government speech that sings of achievements and others for the opposition
01:22promises accountability through the upcoming elections, which will bring out what is called the world government.
01:29So it is a rapid development in the national political scene,
01:33in which everyone wants to arrange what is left of the papers,
01:36hoping to restore a position that allows the parties in this scene to attract citizens
01:40who follow closely their public affairs with a sense of criticism,
01:43and confidence in a political action that will be under the spotlight
01:47for as long as this state remains.
01:50To talk in more detail, we welcome a representative of the majority and another of the opposition,
01:55where he is with me, Mr. Mohamed Chouki,
01:57he is the president of the National Free Party in the parliament.
02:00Welcome.
02:01Hello, Sinophil.
02:02Thank you and thank the problem team for this program,
02:05which gave us the opportunity to discuss these responsible parties,
02:08in the light of this chaos that you hear about the mistakes and lies in some similar newspapers.
02:16We hope that the discussion is really responsible
02:18and will be attended by the other party, Mr. Idris Santissi,
02:21the head of the movement team in the parliament.
02:23Welcome, Mr. Idris Ramadhan Kareem.
02:25Thank you for the invitation,
02:27and through you, I thank the audience,
02:32and the problem team for this program,
02:35and we really hope that this discussion will be calm and responsible,
02:42and with short questions and answers,
02:48so that we can provide as much information as possible.
02:52Let's start directly with you, Mr. Chouki.
02:56Today, you are proud of the government's achievements,
02:59as the Prime Minister said,
03:01you confirm that you have the courage,
03:04in a number of files, but also in the same framework,
03:07to speed up and advance in time in order to remove a number of pieces of evidence.
03:11To what extent do you assess the government's achievements,
03:14at least in half of the state?
03:16The answer to this question is a title.
03:20The title is the consistent and consistent majority
03:25that the government has given in terms of the achievements of Moussa.
03:28Our assessment is that they may only be satisfied.
03:32This government, as a majority,
03:36we saw that it first coincided with the uncertain situation
03:40of the international economic economy,
03:43and international fluctuations, and the dry situation.
03:46If it coincided with it, it was a government of resistance and a government of achievement,
03:49that it has achieved three successes on the social level.
03:54The mandatory health insurance.
03:57Most Moroccan citizens today have this reality.
04:00Second, direct social support,
04:02which concerns 14 million Moroccan families.
04:05On the economic level, you saw how Moroccan tourism
04:08has returned to the first tourist destination in Africa.
04:12The important economic incentive that Morocco has taken
04:17is to remove the green hydrogen road map
04:20and the big financial investments they make.
04:22This is on the economic level.
04:24Third, on the social level, on the reform level,
04:27and the reforms that are sometimes difficult and unpopular,
04:33on the level of justice, on the level of the health sector,
04:36on the level of the education sector.
04:38These are structural reforms that Morocco is waiting for,
04:41not to mention the fundamental reform that His Excellency brought,
04:44the reform of the family registration,
04:46and that the government has the appropriate legislation
04:49to bring it before the parliament and serve it.
04:51We are in the blessed month of Ramadan,
04:53and maybe even the prices are fluctuating.
04:57The confidence of the citizen in the political action.
05:00The government took a number of measures,
05:02as it did in Ramadan last year,
05:04but the prices of Ramadan lead us to other things
05:07related to the purchasing power of the citizens
05:09in the middle class, to where it has reached.
05:12How do you respond to what His Excellency said
05:14regarding the achievements that the government has achieved?
05:17There is a small part of it related to the government program
05:19that it has gained confidence in.
05:22When it comes to the achievements,
05:25I think that they must be divided into the long-term goals,
05:32the current goals,
05:34and what is related to the open documents
05:39that have been open for years.
05:42I think that what the current government is studying,
05:47and in fact it has been 20-25 years,
05:50is not a short-term policy.
05:54We cannot ignore the issue of tourism, for example,
05:58and say that this support, or others,
06:01is what made tourism flourish.
06:04Tourism has a number of conditions,
06:08and it has a vision that Morocco has had for years.
06:13Regarding Ramadan,
06:17there is no vision that is far from the current government.
06:22The best evidence is the continuous growth.
06:25Today, there is no talk in the Middle East
06:32about the high prices,
06:36or about what happens at the breakfast table.
06:41On the first day, you start with one dish,
06:44and then things get worse,
06:47and then it gets worse.
06:49This is a sign that the Moroccan families are suffering
06:56after the drought or after the crises.
07:01Of course, these are unusual events,
07:04but there is a government program,
07:07there are commitments,
07:09and the government has started in the middle.
07:12These are the problems we are facing now.
07:17What can we say about the high prices,
07:21and what are the contributors to the problem?
07:24For example, the fish, the sardines,
07:26why are they so expensive?
07:28Not only because there are contributors,
07:30there are also intermediaries,
07:32but the sardines are being turned into support.
07:37They are being turned into a trading industry,
07:41and they are consuming all the products
07:44that are being produced in Morocco.
07:47We don't want to talk about it,
07:50but this is the reality.
07:52The export of vegetables, fruits,
07:54everything that is produced in Morocco,
07:58and unfortunately,
08:00what we were exporting before,
08:02and what people are importing.
08:04You are right.
08:05There is a flaw in the trade balance.
08:07The opposition has the right to disagree
08:09with the majority in terms of achieving their goals,
08:12and perhaps they made an excuse to stick to it.
08:14But before that,
08:15one of the priorities, as the President announced,
08:18is the employment.
08:20You promised a million jobs
08:22during the government term.
08:24Some people say that if you were given
08:26another five years,
08:28perhaps the government would be able
08:30to fulfill this promise.
08:32Let's talk about numbers.
08:36Mr. Sintisi attended the Finance Committee
08:39and listened to the Tax Administration
08:44and the Administration of the National Social Insurance Fund,
08:48which are the representative numbers.
08:50The mobilized sector in Morocco
08:53achieved significant numbers.
08:55200,000 jobs in 2022,
09:01and 300,000 jobs in 2023.
09:06Directly?
09:07Directly.
09:08These are the numbers of the income tax.
09:11In which sectors?
09:12In all sectors.
09:14I will continue.
09:15This is not something to throw away.
09:19200,000 jobs?
09:20No, no.
09:21I will continue.
09:22Should we reduce it by 21%?
09:23I will continue.
09:24According to the Islamic State,
09:25this should be a compromise.
09:27The agricultural sector is affected.
09:30260,000 jobs, as the Prime Minister said,
09:33in the rural world.
09:34Also, the unpaid jobs in the rural world,
09:42which are calculated in the unemployment rate,
09:45have also decreased significantly
09:47compared to the drought years
09:50that everyone acknowledges.
09:52Of course, the government program
09:56is a product of the electoral program
09:59that came to power,
10:00according to the problem that came to power,
10:02and which was one of its priorities,
10:04to work.
10:05Not directly.
10:06I am coming to you.
10:071.5 million jobs in a period of time,
10:09from a political point of view.
10:10Is this possible or not?
10:11Look, the situation of this sentence,
10:16which was the goal of our United States,
10:19was faced by many cases,
10:21such as the drought,
10:22the lack of confidence in the economy,
10:24all of which were faced by 1.5 million jobs.
10:27Today, there is a roadmap
10:30that directs the working sectors,
10:33the main sectors,
10:34whether in the traditional industry,
10:36in the agricultural sector,
10:37or in the rural sector,
10:38to face the government
10:40in order to get the jobs
10:43that the Moroccans promised.
10:45Also, before that,
10:47you gave incentives
10:49to the working sectors,
10:51the economic sectors,
10:52to start investing
10:54in order to get these jobs.
10:56That's right.
10:57I hope that the sectors will stay in the sectors.
10:59Why are you blaming the government today?
11:02You say that...
11:03And always the most important topic
11:05is the employment field,
11:07especially in the political opposition.
11:09But you do not take into account
11:11that the years of drought
11:12followed six years,
11:13and this led to a national plan
11:16for drinking and drinking water,
11:18with a budget of 143 billion.
11:20In other words,
11:21the problem has become structural
11:22in the national economy.
11:23The agricultural sector
11:24is the most active employer
11:25for active residents.
11:26It is the most contributing
11:27in the registration of growth rates.
11:29Thank God for what God has destined.
11:32Do you agree?
11:33We always agree,
11:34thank God,
11:35for what God has destined.
11:36But we also agree
11:38that the government
11:40committed itself
11:41to one of the ten commitments
11:43of the 43 major commitments.
11:47It mentioned this
11:49and also confirmed this topic
11:51during all the meetings
11:53during the last three months.
11:56And thank God,
11:57it was achieved.
11:58That was the excuse.
11:59It was achieved.
12:00Thank God,
12:01it was achieved.
12:02As for the topic of employment,
12:04we can say that this is a popular topic,
12:07but the government committed
12:09to one million job opportunities
12:12and then to 550,000
12:15to enter the sector.
12:17Where do you see the government
12:19working?
12:20Programs, grants,
12:21opportunities,
12:22other programs?
12:23Yes, the government
12:24didn't waste much time
12:25in the beginning
12:26because it was supposed
12:28to work on the reformation
12:30of the employment office,
12:31the labor law,
12:32the unions,
12:33and so on.
12:34Then,
12:35the government
12:36adopted a wrong idea
12:39and I have great respect
12:41for the state institutions,
12:44the Tax Administration,
12:46and the Social Insurance,
12:48which do a good job.
12:50There is nothing wrong with them.
12:52But the numbers,
12:53when it comes to the number
12:56of people who are registered
12:58in the Social Insurance,
13:00these are a large part
13:02of the workers.
13:04These are the workers
13:05who are registered
13:06in the Social Insurance
13:07to serve for three months
13:08and increase the numbers
13:10of people who are registered.
13:14There is also the income tax.
13:17I have a very simple question.
13:19There is no income tax
13:21in terms of opportunities.
13:22It is mostly new work.
13:24So,
13:25these numbers
13:26that are registered
13:27in the income tax,
13:28what does it have to do
13:29with the Tax Administration?
13:32There is no big problem.
13:34What we have is that
13:35we are working hard
13:36to pass the law
13:40on investment,
13:42but we have not done anything
13:44except the issue
13:45of small and small companies.
13:47The only engine
13:49to create jobs
13:50in a country like Morocco,
13:52and with the population of the Moroccan population
13:54and the number of unemployed youth,
13:57we have now reached
13:594.3 million people.
14:01So,
14:02all of this makes
14:04that the time has passed.
14:06Today,
14:07we are in the dark.
14:08This is what is lost.
14:10Of course,
14:11the biggest problem
14:13for Morocco and Morocco
14:15is the unemployment problem.
14:17There is no work.
14:18There is no dignity.
14:19There is no help.
14:20And you want to go back
14:22to Morocco
14:23on this issue.
14:24No,
14:25there is no work.
14:26There is no education
14:27for the children.
14:28The government program
14:30promised that we will be
14:32in the top 60.
14:34Today,
14:35we are in the top 54.
14:37This is another issue.
14:38Mr. Santisi,
14:39I have a complicated question.
14:41Unfortunately,
14:42the files are intertwined.
14:44You said,
14:45Mr. President,
14:46that there will be
14:47a dynamic pressure
14:48in the national economy
14:49to lower the investment
14:51that was planned
14:52in this government.
14:53A huge financial burden
14:54through the financial law
14:56of 2025
14:57and investments
14:58in promising sectors.
14:59What will be the impact of this?
15:01And if the argument
15:02and the excuses
15:03are in the rain,
15:04the rain will come
15:05in March
15:06and save a part
15:07of the agricultural season.
15:08Let the rain,
15:09which is a divine power,
15:10put it aside.
15:11Should we throw
15:12a lot of responsibility
15:13on it?
15:14Put it aside.
15:15No,
15:16it is a fact
15:17that affects
15:18the agricultural
15:19added value.
15:20And industry
15:21and tourism.
15:22And directly
15:23affects
15:24the agricultural
15:25added value.
15:26Yes.
15:27But,
15:28to answer your question
15:29directly,
15:30I would like to invite you
15:31to the last report
15:32of the Central Bank
15:33which changed
15:34its economic forecast
15:35especially
15:36for the non-agricultural
15:37sectors.
15:38Right.
15:39With their added value.
15:40With their added value
15:41from 3.9%
15:42to 4.2%.
15:43Right.
15:44And in the next year
15:45because it expects
15:46a better agricultural year
15:47also in the non-agricultural
15:48sectors.
15:49This is what
15:50we want to tell you
15:51that the government's
15:52investment efforts
15:53that raised
15:54the value
15:55of its investments
15:56from the previous
15:57government
15:58which was
15:59250 billion
16:00dirhams
16:01to 330
16:02to 335
16:03to 345 billion
16:04dirhams.
16:05This is a continuous
16:06effort.
16:07And even the
16:08percentage of its achievements
16:09is a very respectable
16:10percentage
16:11compared to
16:12the previous
16:13government's
16:14investments.
16:15And now
16:16let's continue.
16:17We are in the same
16:18context.
16:19He is telling you
16:20about the
16:21investments.
16:22I will tell you.
16:23I will tell you.
16:24We will agree
16:25with him.
16:26This is very important.
16:27We will agree
16:28with him.
16:29We will agree
16:30with him
16:31that we
16:32don't agree
16:33with the government
16:34investing
16:35so much
16:36in the national
16:37economy.
16:38The opposition
16:39may want
16:40less money.
16:41And most
16:42of the government
16:43want
16:44less
16:45poor people.
16:46And this
16:47initiative
16:48is not
16:49that we
16:50will support
16:51those accompanying
16:52programs
16:53or those
16:54big companies
16:55or those
16:56big industries.
16:57No,
16:58but in
16:59some
17:00This does not mean that we urge the government to bring the normal systems of small and medium-sized enterprises.
17:14Why did the government delay to come to the S&TC?
17:17Because it is difficult to run a single system to support small and medium-sized enterprises.
17:22Because it is a long spectrum of sectors, between industry, traditional industries and services, to run a single system.
17:31This is why the government delayed to come to us last week.
17:34I brought a draft law to amend the law of S&TC to make it responsible for the system.
17:41Since it indicates that in the next two weeks, this application will be brought to the system to support small and medium-sized enterprises.
17:47We agree with the opposition in this point, and we urge the government to bring it as soon as possible.
17:52Why don't we say that it is also at the level of the working class, which is also important to you in the opposition?
17:58The government has opened files that have been authorized by the previous governments.
18:02We can say that the 30th of April agreement is the law of strike, regardless of the opinion of the unions and the disputes that occurred with those who approved this law.
18:10But at least it had the courage, and it also had the courage to sign agreements.
18:14It had a new basic system in education, and it had an unprecedented increase in wages.
18:18Therefore, we can say that it is moving from one phase to another.
18:21I am not aware of this courage to respond to the demands of the opposition.
18:27The movement party, the parliament, asked the president of the government to remove the law of S&TC from the parliament.
18:41This is a law that has been in the parliament since 2016.
18:55We are asking the president of the government to remove it from the parliament and study it.
19:01Of course, it has been amended, and this is a long discussion, and we may need a program to know why.
19:07However, the Supreme Court gave us the right to vote for the country and not for a certain group.
19:18The government is the working class.
19:20Therefore, we will move to the negotiation.
19:22Yes, regarding the issue of numbers and major projects, we have agreed.
19:29I told you that all of these are projects that have been in the parliament for years.
19:34Now, the problem is that the citizens do not understand why there are simple jobs, reasonable prices, and solutions to the issue of burnings.
19:50The burnings are supposed to be less than 10 dirhams in 70 dollars per barrel.
19:56You mean that the prices of burnings are going down?
19:58Yes, the prices of burnings are going down.
20:03Now, the citizens are upset.
20:05The simple citizens cannot wait for a week or a month.
20:11The parliament complains about the prices of burnings.
20:21The citizens do not want to justify themselves.
20:23Today, we are witnessing a major event in the Kingdom.
20:28The Kingdom has decided to appoint a group of constitutional institutions, including the Central Committee, the Social, Economic, and Environmental Councils,
20:38to fight corruption and embezzlement.
20:44The Central Committee reported that Morocco pays 50 billion dirhams annually for corruption.
20:54As the former president of the National Assembly said, 70% of the compensation is considered to be a means to achieve some interests.
21:06How do you see the government fighting this phenomenon?
21:10In one way or another, it is preventing people from accepting political work or even practicing politics.
21:18Before we talk about embezzlement and corruption, I would like to say that the government is implementing programs that may be cut off.
21:35We thank the government for voting for us.
21:40However, this is not a response to the government's reform program.
21:44The government has implemented it.
21:45The government has cut off the ideas of the Popular Movement.
21:48Where are the embezzlers?
21:50The government is committed to getting rid of them.
21:53I can tell you that the embezzlers will not get rid of the government.
21:59Maybe they will.
22:01Before we talk about corruption and embezzlement, I would like to clarify something.
22:13In this government, corruption in general has been fought.
22:22The government has done a lot to fight corruption.
22:29We respect the differences we had in the vision of this institution.
22:36However, we do not criticize it or its numbers.
22:42By the way, you disagreed with everyone.
22:44No, we disagreed with everyone.
22:45You disagreed with Mandubia Al-Sami.
22:46You disagreed with Ban Ki Al-Maghrib.
22:48We disagree with Ban Ki Al-Maghrib.
22:50We disagree with them in terms of analysis and economic logic.
22:54We may disagree with them normally.
22:56Even with the economic and social councils.
22:58He said that the government was demanding to remove one of the councils of this institution.
23:06However, as an institution, this council was removed.
23:13This is the only difference.
23:15On the contrary, we are with it.
23:17We have fought this issue.
23:19We can study the numbers and their impact.
23:21Of course, there is an impact.
23:23The expansion of the non-constitutional sector increases the amount of bribes.
23:32However, this government did not do anything.
23:34It did not respond to the general agreement.
23:39Its first goal was to fight corruption.
23:44Despite the differences, the brothers in the local assembly demanded a review of some of its components.
23:51When we read the government's statement and the opposition's statement in the parliament,
23:55we enter an almost ridiculous economic division.
23:58I want to talk about what is left of the politics.
24:01When we talk about politics, we talk about your speech, for example,
24:04about the opposition in the financial law.
24:06This is what Mr. Shouk said.
24:08He said, the speech of exaggerations and mistakes.
24:10He talks about the opposition, laziness and skepticism.
24:13He also talks about political hypocrisy.
24:16He talks about the devil of efficiency.
24:19He talks about the entry of economic activists and national efficiency to reform the new government.
24:24You always call them a failure.
24:28You hit the pockets of the citizens.
24:30You play on a number of expressions that can also be provocative and popular.
24:35Did you reach the end of the political speech today?
24:38Especially since some of you see the elections of the world government coming soon.
24:45What is the world government?
24:48Is it the world of Morocco?
24:51This is a myth.
24:54What is the relationship with the opposition?
24:57We are now between two fires.
25:00The fire of the majority, which has nothing to do but criticize the opposition.
25:05This is a new way of working.
25:08It has never been before.
25:10We are also in front of a majority that opposes the opposition in everything it does.
25:20We have a proposal in the movement.
25:23The proposal of the laws.
25:27Has it been submitted to the committees?
25:33The opposition has a duty to be surprised when we talk about laziness.
25:47I will give you a simple number.
25:50My friend and colleague, Simo Ahmed.
25:54The presence and discussion of the financial law.
25:57We have discussed the financial law with four people.
26:00The majority has one or three people.
26:05This is a fact.
26:07We reached the end of the political speech.
26:09We did not talk for a long time.
26:13Time is up.
26:14I apologize for the shortness of time.
26:16A simple answer to the political speech.
26:18Do you approve of the choice of terms?
26:20Or do you criticize the opposition?
26:22Our goal is to get the majority to support us.
26:28We want to compete with each other.
26:31We want to compete to get the majority to support us.
26:35The opposition is sometimes not all.
26:38It is a small number.
26:40Do you mean some organizations?
26:42Yes, some organizations.
26:45They may be a small number.
26:47You may criticize them.
26:49Sometimes, they are immoral.
26:52We apologize for the shortness of time.
26:55It is a shame.
26:57We agree with you.
26:59Sometimes, the opposition is a national opposition.
27:04Sometimes, the opposition stops to support the majority.