Fernanda Iglesias revive un antiguo conflicto con Jorge Rial, quien supuestamente influyó para que ella perdiera su trabajo en el programa 'Un Mundo Perfecto' en 2009. Iglesias sostiene que Rial tenía un gran poder dentro del canal y que su enemistad personal afectó su carrera profesional. La periodista también aborda la controversia generada por una nota sobre Silvia D'Auro publicada en 2014, que habría intensificado las tensiones.
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00:00You gave a statement where you mentioned Jorge Real,
00:03that he would have left you without a job.
00:05What generated you at the time?
00:07Today you put him back on the table again.
00:10Yes, this was many years ago, I think in 2009.
00:15I told it several times.
00:17What happens is that no one takes it very seriously
00:20because it is quite controversial, but it is true.
00:23I went to work in America,
00:25to the program of Roberto Pertinato, Un Mundo Perfecto,
00:28the producer of Gastón Portal.
00:30And well, there was a lot of pressure,
00:32as the same Gastón Portal told me,
00:35from Jorge Real,
00:37to get me out of the program.
00:40I have a lot of power imbalance with him, with Real.
00:45I am here, he is here.
00:48It's like you said, you just told me,
00:51you criticized that Real did not give a grade.
00:53But I can't give a grade just like that.
00:55I have to ask for permission, I am an employee.
00:57I have a lot of bosses up there.
00:59Real is his own boss.
01:01Now, I don't know, maybe Ventura is facing Real.
01:06So he doesn't have that formality he had at the time.
01:10I don't think Ventura would have backed me
01:14if he was friends with Real.
01:16It's like that, if they were friends,
01:19they covered each other.
01:21And now Ventura, I don't know if you're going to cut this part,
01:24but Ventura has backed me because he has fought with Real.
01:26When I gave the grade to Silvia Auro,
01:29she criticized me a lot,
01:31but I had only given a grade.
01:33The one who had spoken had been her.
01:35It's like if you interview a murderer
01:38who says, yes, I killed her because I wanted to,
01:41it's not your fault.
01:43I didn't ruin anything.
01:44They ruined the family.
01:46They made all the fuss.
01:48I only gave a grade.
01:50So all that manipulation of information
01:53came against me
01:55because I had only done my job.
01:56I did journalism with him, and he screwed it up.
01:58I did journalism with him, and he screwed it up.
02:02Let's see, we're talking about a moment
02:04where Jorge Real, what weight did Ventura have inside the channel?
02:09At that time, manager.
02:11Manager.
02:12Programming manager.
02:13Yes.
02:14In what, well, he made decisions
02:17that had to do with his way of seeing and thinking.
02:19In the case of Fernanda, I know he didn't want her.
02:24Ah, okay.
02:25So he didn't want her.
02:27Let's see, but if we already have the information,
02:29it doesn't matter if for personal or professional reasons,
02:31or whatever, but if he didn't want her.
02:33I don't want her either.
02:34I want to leave constancy.
02:35Why?
02:36I don't want her either.
02:37What I don't want to say
02:38is that I'm going to falsify the information.
02:41The truth is the truth.
02:42Let's see, why?
02:43And because...
02:47I want it to be mine and not Real's.
02:49Yes.
02:50Real's is Real's, and mine is mine.
02:52Yes.
02:53Fernanda, I have a difference and she knows it.
02:55What is the difference?
02:56I didn't send it to her, I told her.
02:58Ah, okay.
02:59Period.
03:00Not for that, not for that,
03:02I take away, let's say, from the focus
03:04what Fernanda is pointing out.
03:06That there was a difference on purpose,
03:08a note with Silvia Dauro,
03:10that I have understood that it resulted in a judicial action
03:15that ends up signing an agreement,
03:18that there is a confidentiality pact,
03:20and that's why Silvia Dauro didn't speak later.
03:22But the note, sorry Ventura,
03:23the note came out...
03:24In what medium did it come out?
03:25In La Nación.
03:26In La Nación.
03:27Did Fernanda Iglesias tell you?
03:28Yes.
03:292014, the year of the note.
03:30Look for it, it must be.
03:31And that account, in that note,
03:33basically what it says is that...
03:35Of course, 2009, a perfect world,
03:37La Nota de La Nación, 2014.
03:39That's what Silvia Dauro says in that note,
03:41is that she had sent a letter to the justice
03:45because she was worried about her daughters.
03:47That account that was still at school,
03:50to see what the grades were like,
03:52if they were absent,
03:53if, well...
03:54And the return to school was not the best.
03:57So it was understood that since they were with Jorge,
03:59the lives of the girls had changed,
04:01but for the worse.
04:02That was basically what the note said,
04:04and then they got involved,
04:05why they had distanced themselves,
04:06why they had separated from each other.
04:08I ask, without getting on either side,
04:11but asking,
04:12if a manager of a television channel
04:15is to make decisions,
04:17is it wrong for him to make decisions
04:18if he doesn't like the...
04:19I want to correct something,
04:20because here...
04:21If he doesn't like the employee,
04:23is it wrong for him to make decisions?
04:25But let's correct this, because...
04:26Let's see.
04:27What I remember,
04:28if someone corrects me,
04:30I say,
04:31it seems to me that Jorge was manager
04:33in the first years of Intrusos,
04:35I think it was in 2002, 2003...
04:38Superimposed in power with Diego Virs,
04:41who had the program.
04:43But I don't know if in 2009.
04:45Ok.
04:46Now, if what Jorge had was,
04:49obviously,
04:50as the strongest conductor of the channel,
04:52the one who did the most ratings,
04:54a very important weight,
04:55and surely he would have a lot of interference
04:58about many things of the channel.
05:00But he doesn't love her,
05:01he doesn't love her,
05:02it's not a professional concept.
05:03She did her job well,
05:04the program was useful to her,
05:05he doesn't love her,
05:06as Luis just told us,
05:07it's not an argument to throw a...
05:09But forgive me,
05:10you have to see...
05:11I understand,
05:12but do you think that doesn't work?
05:15No, it shouldn't be like that.
05:17It should be a reason for her to do her job.
05:21But she was already working.
05:23Of course she was,
05:24she was with you.
05:26No, it was later.
05:29Five years later,
05:30six years later.
05:31Do you want to defend Fernanda?
05:34Do it, no problem.
05:35What I say is,
05:37they made a note against the figure of the channel.
05:40A note against the figure of the channel.
05:43Wait, wait, wait,
05:44I want to ask the following.
05:46To make a note, in this case,
05:48against Silvia Dauro,
05:50is to go against Jorge Real?
05:52At that moment,
05:53Real understood it.
05:54No, but let me say one thing.
05:56Notes are notes.
05:58They are different years, guys.
06:002009 was the year of Un Mundo Perfecto,
06:022014 is the year of La Nación.
06:03But they are notes,
06:04don't stop making notes.
06:05Five years in the middle.
06:06I mean,
06:07I don't think the note is bad.
06:09If you have to make the note,
06:10the topic is the content
06:12and the rigor of the returns.
06:14If they tell you that Los Reyes Magos
06:16are all Japanese,
06:20you realize that they are falsifying something
06:23and you have to question the notes.
06:25That's what I'm saying.
06:26When the rigor of the interview
06:29does not have the rigor of a journalist.
06:31One second,
06:32I propose to see the second part,
06:33the note in Fernanda Iglesias,
06:35and then we go with you.
06:36Come on, put it on.
06:42I'm a journalist.
06:43I like who I like,
06:45and if I don't like someone,
06:46I regret it.
06:47And I will always be a journalist.
06:48That's why I always had a job,
06:50no matter how much they wanted to throw me down.
06:52She clearly didn't forgive me.
06:53In fact, she said that I had formed
06:56an illicit association with Silvia Dauro.
06:58So I always kept that attitude
07:00that she fought to get them back.
07:02And she had all these clashes.
07:05She even had a criminal trial
07:07by Jorge
07:10I think it was by threat.
07:13She had to do an approbation, everything.
07:15What happened to her was heavy.
07:17She had to take a step aside
07:19because I think she felt in danger.
07:22She had to take a step aside
07:23because I think she felt in danger.
07:26And that note that you wrote,
07:27did you have something that you didn't get to write?
07:31You said, I'll keep this
07:32and at some point I'll tell you.
07:33Look, I'm going to tell you this.
07:34The part where she says
07:36that girls tend to steal
07:38because they think they were stolen.
07:40That part was never published in La Nación.
07:43I gave the audio of the note to AM,
07:48to the AM program,
07:50and they put it on air.
07:51It wasn't even me who took it out
07:54because I thought it was strong.
07:56So I always tried to explain that to him.
08:00No, I didn't put it.
08:01I took it out of the note.
08:03It's in the note,
08:04but they put it in another program, you know?
08:07So that confusion always drove me crazy
08:10because he took it with me
08:11with something that I had censored, let's say.
08:13I self-censored it, I took it out.
08:15I want to clarify it too,
08:16if you can put it, please.
08:17It's good, let's say.
08:18Seriously, the AM program put it.
08:20I said, take it with that program
08:22because I didn't put it.
08:23In the note, if you look for it,
08:24that phrase is not there.
08:28Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
08:29Let's see what Luis Ventura says.
08:31What does Luis Ventura say
08:32about what Fernanda said?
08:33No, that's it, that's it.
08:34I don't want to get in there again, you know?
08:36In the end, you know what?
08:37I look like Rial's widow.
08:39I have to be running
08:40behind all the topics.
08:42The truth...
08:43Clearly...
08:44Let's see, let's see, wait, wait, wait.
08:45It seems to me that Fernanda Iglesias
08:48stays in the shell of the fruit.
08:50In the shell.
08:51She doesn't go to the pulp.
08:52Clearly, it's the content of the note.
08:54No, no, no.
08:55Ready, go.
08:56Anyway, if you don't want to...
08:57Anyway, I insist.
08:59I defend her right to work.
09:01I have worked with enemies,
09:03I have worked with the worst scum
09:06next to me,
09:07sitting next to me for years
09:09and the source of labor
09:10I never touched it.
09:11You can't play with that.
09:12What can I say?
09:13Wait, wait, wait.
09:14Rial's statements in 2009.
09:17Ah, look how good, Carmela.
09:18Let's see what she found.
09:19That fat woman is a pervert.
09:21What?
09:24This was published at that time,
09:27in 2009,
09:28before the note with Silvia Dauro.
09:30This started long before.
09:33I was waiting for it.
09:35There was a previous news.
09:36I was confirmed that he was not
09:37the program manager at that time,
09:38Jorge Rial.
09:39As she has done.
09:40That's why I said.
09:41He was a figure of the channel
09:42that bothered Fernanda.
09:44Maybe Luis can tell us why.
09:46Because this is before the note
09:47with Silvia Dauro.
09:48Luis had to talk.
09:49Do you know why he didn't like it?
09:53Because Fernanda Iglesias
09:55was against the Rial apparatus,
09:58intruders,
09:59permanently and permanently.
10:01And that,
10:02there were people who banked it,
10:03and there were people who didn't bank it.
10:06That is, one thing,
10:07when you receive an attack,
10:09maybe you give it a return.
10:11And there were people who pointed to kill.
10:12But they were against me, why?
10:13Guys.
10:14Because I wanted to work there.
10:15Who?
10:16No.
10:17But Fernanda Iglesias was the one
10:18who wrote some columns.
10:19Look, look how she smiles.
10:20Wait, wait, wait.
10:21Faba, Fernanda Iglesias
10:22had a time where she wrote
10:24some columns in La Nacion
10:25where she smashed,
10:26dismembered
10:28any bug that walked
10:30on the stage.
10:31Am I right or not?
10:32Yes, yes, yes.
10:33But before she wrote it
10:34in Diario Clarín,
10:35she went through the newsroom
10:36of Diario Clarín,
10:37in Espectaculos.
10:38Ah, Clarín, Espectaculos it was.
10:39Yes.
10:40And also in La Nacion.
10:41But I want to say something.
10:42No, La Nacion later.
10:43Later.
10:44La Nacion was first,
10:45where she was linked
10:46to our group
10:47through a mutual friend
10:49who was Daniel Roncoli,
10:50who was a friend
10:52of a person
10:53very close to Fernanda.
10:54So there was a lot of interaction.
10:56Sure.
10:57And I ask you, Ventura,
10:58because I really don't remember,
10:59and then she was in charge
11:00at some point
11:01of tearing Rial apart
11:02for some reason.
11:03Yes.
11:04So Rial kind of
11:05swore at her,
11:06which is not good,
11:07right?
11:08Let's agree.
11:09But well,
11:10one also has memory.
11:11There is also
11:12a return of favors,
11:13because when Fernanda says,
11:14I didn't put that phrase
11:15of the girls
11:16who have a tendency
11:17to steal,
11:18but she delivered
11:19all the audio
11:20to El Ciclo AM,
11:21I say,
11:22you can edit it
11:23to also
11:24show it
11:25to the audience.
11:26So,
11:27I say,
11:28you can edit it
11:29to also take care of it,
11:30because it is
11:31a material of her.
11:32Sorry, sorry, sorry.
11:33No, no,
11:34it is a material
11:35of her.
11:36If you didn't want
11:37that to come out
11:38in the report
11:39and you didn't put it,
11:40she also edits it
11:41for when you deliver it.
11:42But it is a classic
11:43of Fernanda.
11:44Guys,
11:45she doesn't take care
11:46of absolutely nothing.
11:47She never takes
11:48care of anything.
11:49You say
11:50that she
11:51didn't take care
11:52of not saying it,
11:53but she gave it
11:54to El Ciclo AM
11:55to say it.
11:56I mean,
11:57I make a note
11:58and I have the decor
11:59or I have
12:00the prudence
12:01of not putting
12:02certain things.
12:03When I share that,
12:04I share it edited.
12:05How am I going
12:06to share it raw?
12:07Where do you see it?
12:08If I share it raw,
12:09you know
12:10that they are going
12:11to put it
12:12and, Reina,
12:13don't be innocent.
12:14That is the part
12:15that is useful
12:16for Jorge
12:17to present it
12:18to Silvia
12:19as a bad person.
12:20It is the opposite.
12:21That is not the part
12:22that harms him.
12:23It has nothing to do
12:24with harming him.
12:25I don't know
12:26anyone who
12:27doesn't do self-criticism
12:28of absolutely nothing
12:29in the first person.
12:30Perfect.
12:31We will continue
12:32in just a moment.