Morena Rial se encuentra en el centro de la controversia tras difundirse imágenes de su bautismo en una rama de la religión umbanda, que incluyó el sacrificio de un animal. Este acto ha generado críticas y debates sobre las prácticas religiosas y la libertad de culto. Morena ha expresado sentirse discriminada por los comentarios recibidos y amenaza con acciones legales contra quienes vulneren su intimidad religiosa.
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00:00This time for the topic of religion.
00:03That's right, Mariana, the protagonist of a new scandal.
00:05What did Morena Rial do?
00:07She has been with the Umbanda religion for a long time, but now she was baptized with a new Pai.
00:12And images were spread, the truth is very controversial.
00:14In fact, yesterday I had Angel de Brito in LAM.
00:16Where you see the baptism of Morena Rial in religion with several people who are around Morena.
00:22And they are sacrificing a Chivito.
00:24A living animal.
00:26They are killing him.
00:28There is a very unpleasant situation.
00:30He has to be alive to be killed.
00:32How do you want him to be killed?
00:34The animal sacrifices.
00:36Absolutely.
00:38Let's not exaggerate either.
00:40Well, I found that image very unpleasant.
00:42The issue is that obviously these videos that went viral.
00:44Morena was very angry with this.
00:46And she publishes a story on the day of yesterday.
00:48Did they eat the Chivito?
00:50No, no, it was a matter of the Umbanda ritual.
00:52No, no, it's not that they sacrifice him to eat him.
00:54It is very important not to stigmatize that religion.
00:56I say it seriously.
00:58Because it has different aspects.
01:00The Umbanda religion, Mariana.
01:02And those aspects differ in their practices.
01:04Not anyone who professes the Umbanda religion.
01:06Sacrifices animals.
01:08Afro-Brazilian cult, exactly.
01:10That in Brazil, in fact, is so popular.
01:12For example, of course.
01:14Sacrifices animals.
01:16Some specific groups.
01:18Some branches.
01:20But I understand that it is also legally restricted.
01:22The issue is that Morena was already participating in another religion.
01:24It's called the Yoruba religion.
01:26She was part of that creed.
01:28And why am I telling this?
01:30The person who had brought her closer to this
01:32was the ex-boyfriend.
01:34Although you don't believe it.
01:36The ex-boyfriend of Alan Fernandez.
01:38Alan Fernandez, who is part of the Umbanda.
01:40The one who is now in prison.
01:42That's why she practiced this religion.
01:44Yesterday with what Franco tells.
01:46It is true that some branches do it.
01:48Yesterday the Pai spoke.
01:50The Pai Umbanda spoke with the people of Iran.
01:52Fabiani was also very good.
01:54Fabiani asked something that everyone...
01:56They ate him.
01:58If they had eaten the kid,
02:00things would have been different.
02:02I'm not talking about eating.
02:04But legally it can be an abuse to animals.
02:06And besides, how do they kill him?
02:08I don't know how they kill him in a sacrifice.
02:10Did you see what the images were like?
02:12And all the animals when they die.
02:14My grandmother killed the chicken.
02:16But it is no longer done.
02:18Animals in churches.
02:20In no religion.
02:22My grandmother didn't kill the chicken.
02:24From all this...
02:26This man is untreatable.
02:28I don't know what's wrong with him.
02:30But he came back like this.
02:32He came with abstinence.
02:34He came with abstinence.
02:36You're right.
02:38The issue is that Morena Real felt attacked
02:40by many television opinions
02:42about this rite.
02:44Discriminated.
02:46This is what Morena Real said last night.
02:48Our national constitution
02:50protects the freedom of creed.
02:52Of cult.
02:54I don't understand the journalists
02:56who judge me for my religious beliefs.
02:58The only thing I'm going to say
03:00is that in case of continuing
03:02this discriminatory action,
03:04I'm going to start legal actions.
03:06Arroba Alejandro Cipolla
03:08is already aware
03:10that I'm not going to tolerate
03:12people making fun of my beliefs
03:14and the religious intimacy
03:16that I request in this act.
03:18And that the law protects me.
03:20Obviously, this was not written by Morena Real.
03:22It was written by Cipolla.
03:24That's why we're going to talk to Cipolla
03:26now that we have him connected.
03:28Hello Alejandro, how are you?
03:30Hello, how are you Mariana?
03:32He's laughing.
03:34A gift for Mauricio.
03:36Ah, look, good.
03:38I already got one.
03:40And I didn't say anything else
03:42I want to congratulate you.
03:44They ate it.
03:46They really ate it.
03:48Alejandro, I want to ask you
03:50how is Morena?
03:52And who decided to
03:54turn to religion in this way?
03:56To go through the baptism ritual?
03:58Because we understand that it affected her.
04:00The dissemination of the images.
04:04I think she is finding
04:06spirituality.
04:08We have to respect the religion
04:10that she finds.
04:12I am a Catholic and I respect
04:14what she creates or does better.
04:16Sometimes the approach to spirituality
04:18also makes you think
04:20about
04:22all her actions
04:24and try to find
04:26the right path
04:28to adapt her life.
04:30If she chose this path
04:32I see it perfect.
04:34She has my full support.
04:36It has to do with that, right?
04:38To change her life.
04:40It gives her strength
04:42to be close to religion.
04:46Yes, that is what helps her.
04:48She regrets
04:50a lot of things in her life.
04:52She is trying to fix it.
04:54She found religion
04:56as a path, as people
04:58who approach the church.
05:00Alejandro, you are always
05:02accompanying her, helping her.
05:04You are like a faithful friend.
05:06She says she is going to
05:08go to Chipola to find you.
05:12What advice do you give
05:14to Morena right now?
05:16Does she listen to you?
05:18How is it?
05:20She listens to me a lot.
05:22We were talking about a lot of things.
05:24She is sending me WhatsApp
05:26about other things,
05:28about starting to work on TV,
05:30about starting
05:32university,
05:34about starting a studio.
05:36So, in theory,
05:38she would count on a luxury secretary.
05:40Wow, a secretary!
05:42Look at the huge opportunity
05:44you are giving her.
05:46Very good, Alejandro.
05:48What unites them?
05:50I understand there is a friendship,
05:52but what made them
05:54so united?
05:56I feel there is a love
05:58between you that goes beyond.
06:00That for now is a mystery
06:02Ah, a mystery!
06:04Look how he answers you.
06:06Sorry, doctor.
06:08That's what I think.
06:10What program is she going to work on?
06:12She just said she is going to work
06:14on a TV show. Which one?
06:16Listen to me.
06:18I haven't closed it yet.
06:20I have to talk between today and tomorrow.
06:22The program would be...
06:24Does it have to do with the one
06:26we were talking about the other day
06:28about weight?
06:30They don't want her as a panelist.
06:32They want her as a participant.
06:34That's the point.
06:36Yes, but as a participant
06:38I think it would be good
06:40for her to have
06:42a psychological and
06:44psychiatric support.
06:46And beyond that,
06:48it's a job.
06:50Yes, of course.
06:52She is going to receive a salary.
06:54That helps her to organize herself.
06:56Let me explain.
06:58She is going to participate in a TV show.
07:00She is going to sit at a table.
07:02Many colleagues don't want to sit with her.
07:04That's why I say
07:06it's like participating in a reality show.
07:08Yes, but I think it's too much.
07:10We have a society
07:12that has a double morality.
07:14On the one hand,
07:16they tell you to go to work.
07:18When you go to work,
07:20you can't work.
07:22I don't understand.
07:24A lot of journalists...
07:26I understand that...
07:30I understand that Morena paid to go.
07:32Two million pesos.
07:34It's strange that they invite her
07:36so that she doesn't want to go.
07:38For Carmen's anger.
07:40But...
07:42Carmen came out
07:44automatically to kill her.
07:46Morena answered
07:48because she had been exterminated
07:50in all the media.
07:52She felt very criticized.
07:54Yes, but...
07:56If you feel criticized,
07:58don't take it out on the guest.
08:00I never heard a statement from you.
08:02Morena, I've seen
08:04that you've asked many questions
08:06that have bothered you.
08:08Then you go out to kill him.
08:10I did my job and nothing else.
08:12It's not that you say...
08:14Yes, but it seems to me that
08:16Carmen was invested in many things.
08:18Her show is ending.
08:20She said, I don't give more.
08:22Carmen is a professional.
08:24She is one of the stars
08:26that we have in Argentina.
08:28I think she was dismissed
08:30because she is a very famous person
08:32attacking Morena
08:34in an abysmal way.
08:36And for the mere fact
08:38that they had called her.
08:40Was it planned to make a trial
08:42to Carmen?
08:44It's a question that is being evaluated
08:46by the sayings she said.
08:48She treated her all the time
08:50She wants and you don't.
08:52That's what you're telling me.
08:54She wants to make a trial and you don't.
08:56Morena wants and you don't.
08:58What I'm telling you is that
09:00sometimes it may be unnecessary
09:02to go to court
09:04because it will continue to complicate
09:06the matter.
09:08Maybe with a phone call with Carmen
09:10things can be solved
09:12in a more appropriate way
09:14in a court.
09:16Enough audience, enough.
09:18Then the degree of care
09:20that a lot of journalists had
09:22who are also going through criminal processes
09:24or their relatives
09:26are going through criminal processes.
09:28I'm not going to give names.
09:30But there are a lot.
09:32Who did I refer to?
09:34Who did I refer to?
09:36Now I'm going to have to remember.
09:38There are several.
09:40I only said that.
09:42But it was obvious.
09:44You can't put such a high ethical bar
09:46on television in general
09:48as in any media.
09:50There are many people suspected
09:52with processes involved
09:54with relatives in legal processes.
09:56Morena today became a kind of emblem
09:58a kind of sign if you want
10:00but in any case it is not the only one.
10:02Alejandro, I want to go back to love for a moment
10:04if you allow me.
10:06And forgive me, it does not represent
10:08Morena, I say this because I also read comments
10:10it does not represent crime in Argentina.
10:12Well, what fear does Chipola have here?
10:14No, no, but it's true.
10:16People talked like,
10:18no, she's a criminal.
10:20Of course, I thought it was really exaggerated.
10:22I understand that it is news.
10:24What do you think is exaggerated?
10:26That colleagues,
10:28that many of our colleagues
10:30place it in a place of crime paradigm
10:32when in any case
10:34and therefore it cannot be in a panel
10:36let's review the conformation of the panels
10:38of all the programs of Argentine television
10:40and let's see if there are people
10:42who were exaggerating and committing a crime
10:44that is inevitable.
10:46And the process is open and that is true
10:48but it is not the only one, that's what I was going to say.
10:50Who else cried in a panel?
10:52Say it, because who else
10:54was upset in a panel?
10:56Who else cried in a panel?
10:58Say it, because if we are not turning around
11:00about people who do not know who they are.
11:02I do not know.
11:04There are different ways of crying.
11:06There are many panelists crying.
11:08Well, who was upset?
11:10Who was upset?
11:12So we know.
11:14I wanted to talk about love.
11:16Sorry, sorry.
11:18Alejandro, the other day when I told you
11:20Well, Morena and you
11:22in any case could have a relationship, etc.
11:24Morena, somehow
11:26she smiled especially
11:28she lowered her head on the cell phone
11:30that she gave us so gently.
11:32You told me, well, one never knows.
11:34What situation are you in?
11:36Allow me this personal question.
11:38Are you in a relationship?
11:40No, no, I'm single.
11:42I'm looking for love.
11:44How to give away?
11:46I read your stories, doctor,
11:48and you give away.
11:50Why? What does the story say?
11:52Are you romantic, Alejandro?
11:54I always talk about love.
11:56You are a flirt.
11:58You, Chipola,
12:00are not in a relationship with Fuenzalida?
12:02The bullfighter's lawyer?
12:04The bullfighter's lawyer.
12:06The bullfighter's lawyer.
12:08I don't know who you're talking about.
12:10Fuenzalida is the only
12:12Argentine bullfighter's lawyer.
12:14An excellent lawyer.
12:16An excellent lawyer.
12:18Yes, I think it's a note.
12:20But he's gay, Chipola.
12:22Fuenzalida is not a man.
12:24Well, he can be bisexual too.
12:26There's no way.
12:28It doesn't matter.
12:30If he likes it, he likes it.
12:32I think it would have been
12:34very difficult for you
12:36if all this time there was love.
12:38This is my theory.
12:40There is love.
12:42Morena's couple,
12:44her son.
12:46Are you the godfather of Morena's son?
12:48Yes, yes.
12:50Morena was in Cordoba at that time.
12:52They're going to finish together.
12:54They're waiting to do something
12:56to confirm the relationship.
12:58I think so, Chipola.
13:00Cesar is calling you.
13:02How are you, dear Cesar?
13:04Very well.
13:06I was there accompanying
13:08Boia Morena live.
13:10Here my role is a lawyer,
13:12but I also report.
13:14At one point you made a statement
13:16when they were talking about you.
13:18Someone said,
13:20you're gay, I'm not gay.
13:22You told Morena,
13:24you know better than anyone else
13:26that you're not.
13:28I read between the lines
13:30What did you say?
13:32Are we making a note to Chipola
13:34as a sex symbol?
13:40I think you are a sex symbol, Chipola.
13:42You know you're a little sexy.
13:44Are you flirting with her?
13:46No, in no way.
13:48I'm recognizing the tribute.
13:50Are you your type?
13:52No, I don't have a type.
13:54I don't have a stereotype.
13:56Why did you tell Morena that?
13:58That's flirting.
14:00I heard it and talked to them.
14:02So don't deny it to me.
14:04And another thing you said,
14:06if you want I'll get you out of trouble,
14:08is that in all this work avatar
14:10that Morena has,
14:12she's also going to be on a streaming.
14:14Who?
14:16Morena.
14:18So it goes with everything.
14:20Are you very informed, Cesar?
14:22For me too.
14:24In what streaming will Morena be?
14:26In one that I'm going to do.
14:28With the lawyer.
14:30I'm also going to invite Dr. D'Alessandro.
14:32Very good.
14:34Lawyer streaming.
14:36I'll give you the chip and you invite me to him.
14:38I'm going.
14:40But is it a lawyer streaming?
14:42Yes, I'm talking.
14:44But I haven't closed it yet.
14:46And Morena is going to be a participant.
14:48Very good.
14:50Everyone thinks together.
14:52As a team. I like it.
14:54You're a lawyer.
14:56Sorry, doctor.
14:58Is it true that Carmen Marvieri,
15:00the producer who invited Morena,
15:02never paid her?
15:04And that the figure was 2 million pesos?
15:06There are no friends in this environment.
15:08And they paid her.
15:10For that day or for the whole week?
15:12The whole week.
15:14So they had hired her.
15:16Yes, they had hired her.
15:18They paid her the whole week.
15:20She was hired for the whole week of work.
15:22Tell me nice things.
15:26He is very affectionate.
15:30It is not fashionable to be so romantic.
15:32It is not fashionable.
15:34I don't think like you.
15:36Romantics will always be welcome.
15:38Alejandro.
15:40The last romantic.
15:42Here we have him. Alejandro Chipola.
15:44We have him.
15:46Thank you, Ale.
15:48We send you a big kiss.
15:50Thank you for following us
15:52for other causes and other things
15:54that bind us.
15:56Thank you very much.
15:58A big kiss.