👉 La Ciudad de Buenos Aires enfrenta una grave crisis penitenciaria con más de 2,400 presos alojados en comisarías no preparadas para tal fin. Esta situación se agrava por la falta de infraestructura adecuada y el cierre del Servicio Penitenciario Federal a nuevos reclusos. La tensión política entre la ciudad y la nación complica aún más el panorama, mientras las fugas de presos generan preocupación entre los ciudadanos. El nuevo Ministro de Seguridad, Horacio Jiménez, enfrenta el desafío de reforzar la seguridad en las comisarías y gestionar una problemática que afecta tanto a los recursos policiales como a la seguridad pública.
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00:00You have a crisis in Argentina, a pre-existing one.
00:04The same thing always happens to us.
00:05There is a crisis with a particular issue.
00:07When a new element appears, everything gets complicated.
00:10We have been talking for weeks about the issue of the overpopulation of prisoners in port police stations,
00:17which are not designed for that.
00:19Today, the issue is raised again on a political level.
00:22And of course, with the cut of electricity, what does the new Minister of Security of the city have to do?
00:27Horacio Jiménez sends reinforcements to the police stations in different port neighborhoods,
00:33particularly in San Telmo and Constitución.
00:36Why? Because he fears that there will be more escapes.
00:38There are 90 prisoners there that should not be there.
00:4090 prisoners?
00:4190 prisoners in two sections, Nacho.
00:42Incredible, incredible.
00:44And we are talking about a total that exceeds 2,400.
00:48Of course.
00:49When, in theory, there should be practically none.
00:52You know the numbers well.
00:54If you want, we can review them, Nacho.
00:56But in 2020, the situation was that there were 448 prisoners in the entire port system.
01:02Of course.
01:03That's where the pandemic begins.
01:04They close the door to the city so that they can transfer the prisoners.
01:08Alberto Fernández, Garrigos de Arrebori.
01:11That group of evil, I say.
01:14Alberto Fernández and María Laura Garrigos de Arrebori,
01:17who was a judge, a bad judge, in my opinion.
01:20Legitimate justice.
01:22She was an interventor of the penitentiary service.
01:25Nobody understands why, what knowledge she had.
01:28But what she does are two tremendous measures.
01:30She deactivates the entire penitentiary intelligence service,
01:33with which it is not possible to know what the prisoners do.
01:36And she says, no more prisoners enter here.
01:38It's over.
01:39Fix the route.
01:41At that time, it must be understood that the route was candidate for president.
01:44They wanted to ruin that project and they wanted to ruin the city.
01:47And they did it.
01:48Because today we go from 400, as you said, to 2,400.
01:52What they have done is impressive.
01:54How they ruined something that was working well a priori.
01:57It is also true that during this time the constructions that had to be done were not done.
02:02To be able to accommodate the prisoners.
02:04Where is the place for those transfers?
02:07And on top of that, now we are debating the age of inimputability.
02:10Let's say, the imputability of minors.
02:13Where are they going if there is no place for the system we have?
02:17Of course.
02:18Now, you, Rolo, know better the penitentiary system and the prisons.
02:23Now, I was surprised to know that in two police stations there are 90 prisoners.
02:26From that early dawn, we discovered that there were 90 prisoners in two police stations.
02:32Impressive.
02:33Yes, Nacho.
02:34It impacts because of the following.
02:36When the city security system was thought of,
02:38what was said is that since there is no justice that is tailored to the city of Buenos Aires,
02:43now there is for minors,
02:45like the criminals, the ones who steal, the ones who kill.
02:48It does not correspond to the Portenia orbit, it corresponds to the nation.
02:51There will be no prisoners in the police stations.
02:53What do we do?
02:54The police stop them stealing.
02:56They tell the national judge,
02:57look, we have this man,
02:58they send him to the Federal Penitentiary Service.
03:03He follows his routine.
03:05What happens now, after this closure, this lockout,
03:08that the political power did, that the nation did?
03:12The prisoners no longer have a place in the Federal Penitentiary Service.
03:15So, the police stations are obviously not going to release the prisoners.
03:19The city police is not a guy who had a hard time catching you,
03:22that you caught him raping, stealing, killing.
03:25You catch him, you have him detained.
03:27What has happened so far, from 2020 to now,
03:30is prisoners sleeping in patrol cars.
03:32Someone may tell you, Nacho,
03:33and I do not care about the prisoners who sleep.
03:35Yes, well, that patrol car, sir, is not here.
03:38It's not spinning.
03:40The prisoners, where are they in the police stations?
03:43In the police uniforms?
03:44Where they changed?
03:46They arrived, they took off their shirts,
03:48which they usually do not use in uniform,
03:50to go and come back from work,
03:51because the criminals attack them.
03:53The visits, the visits, Rolo,
03:56that a prisoner has the right to receive a visit,
03:59if a judge does not appear,
04:01they present a via corpus,
04:02and they can enter.
04:03Where do they do it?
04:04In the police stations?
04:05Yes.
04:06You also have to think that a prisoner
04:08involves food needs.
04:11Who gives him food?
04:12Well, the Porteño government is spending
04:1483,000 pesos, ours, per prisoner, per day.
04:18Each prisoner of these 2,450 who are in the city
04:22costs us, those of us who pay taxes in the city,
04:2483,000 pesos.
04:26But, sorry, just this data.
04:28It is not enough with that,
04:29because many prisoners bring food to their families.
04:32So, you have the police station in your neighborhood,
04:34you have prisoners inside,
04:36and relatives who arrive every day,
04:38twice a day, to bring food,
04:39and who are standing there.
04:41And then we have to report things
04:43that sometimes it is hard for us to believe, right?
04:45Like criminals go out and take a taxi.
04:49Yes, escape.
04:50Because this must also be said.
04:52And the big difference between a prison and a police station
04:55is that the police station is in the middle of your neighborhood,
04:57you can have it in the corner of your house.
04:58And that in other times,
05:00you had your house in the corner of the police station,
05:02and you didn't even put a lot of security there,
05:04because who is going to rob me
05:05being in the corner of the police station?
05:07And suddenly now,
05:0810 prisoners escape,
05:09who were killed there,
05:11and you have it in your dining room,
05:12pointing a gun at you,
05:13because they want you to shut up,
05:15than to be hidden in your house one day.
05:17I mean, it can't be like that.
05:19The system is very bad.
05:20If you agree, let's listen to Jorge Macri,
05:22because today the fight between the city and the nation was revived.
05:24Let's listen to him.
05:25Go ahead.
05:27We can't continue to have prisoners
05:30where they shouldn't be,
05:32and they are a danger to everyone.
05:35And I would like to make something clear.
05:38The problem of the city's prisoners
05:41can't be solved with a change of minister.
05:44The problem of the city's prisoners
05:47is the responsibility of the Federal Penitentiary Service,
05:50something that the minister, Patricia Bullrich,
05:53doesn't know.
05:55We say it with a lot of respect,
05:58but with firmness.
06:01Minister Bullrich,
06:03we are here to help, yes.
06:06But the police stations are not prisons.
06:10The police are not prison guards.
06:14And the police should be on the streets,
06:17protecting the prisoners.
06:20We are here to make one last effort with you,
06:24from the will and the truth.
06:30And a whole definition of Jorge Macri.
06:32It's almost a plea,
06:34of something that is a competition of the nation, really.
06:37Because you have to understand a couple of situations.
06:39Among the 2,400 detainees that the city has in police stations,
06:42there are 450 who are condemned.
06:45They are not detainees in transit,
06:47a guy who was caught stealing,
06:49and who is there while the process is sustained.
06:51The guy is condemned.
06:52There are 4 who have life imprisonment.
06:54They will be in prison all their lives.
06:56The system is not prepared.
06:58What do they do in police stations?
07:00There are 3,000 policemen, Nacho,
07:02who instead of taking care of all of us,
07:04who come to work here,
07:05some of us live here,
07:06are dedicated to guarding the prisoners.
07:10And there is a whole false dichotomy in all of this.
07:13Well, there is a prison that is being built in Marcos Paz.
07:16Yes, yes, yes.
07:18The truth is this.
07:20The prison is so that it ceases to be in the city of Buenos Aires.
07:23It is the penal de Devoto, which is a federal prison.
07:25The city, the neighbors of the city, the neighbors of Devoto,
07:28have been banking a prison for decades.
07:30They promised them a long time ago.
07:32Well, we are going to take it out, we are going to send it to Marcos Paz.
07:34That prison began to be built.
07:36The money was put in.
07:37The prison was not finished.
07:39And now they are saying,
07:40well, when it is finished, we will take the prisoners to the police station.
07:42No.
07:43They are going to take the prisoners.
07:44Do you know what happens?
07:45Do you know what happens?
07:46You saw the key.
07:47Politics ruined something that was working.
07:49First it was Alberto Fernández who wanted to complicate the plans to the network.
07:52Yes.
07:53Then it was the current management that arrived.
07:55And on both sides there was permission to maintain the status quo.
07:58That is, they wanted, they were measuring.
08:00They did not want to discuss, they did not want to fight.
08:02Jorge Macri did not want to confront the national government.
08:05The national government was very comfortable with continuing like this
08:07because it did not have to assume responsibilities.
08:09What happened?
08:10When they began to confront, each one began to express himself.
08:14In the air.
08:15They began to say, hey, this is not mine, this is yours.
08:18They began to hold the blame.
08:19And today we are as we are because of, I insist, politics.
08:22Yes.
08:23When politics began to be convenient to fight, problems began to arise.
08:26I say, I'm thinking.
08:27Before they escaped and nothing happened.
08:28Nothing happened.
08:29Diego Kravets leaves the city to the intelligence secretary.
08:33That is, he goes to the nation to be part of the milleism in some way.
08:38And he leaves Macri.
08:39And there is already a first conflict of tension.
08:42There are starting to be strange escapes.
08:44This must also be said.
08:45Very rare escapes.
08:46Very rare.
08:47Of prisoners who left with the watchman who says, no, I was looking at the cell phone
08:52and the third one passed me to the side and I did not see it.
08:54Or they take a taxi to the door.
08:55Yes.
08:56Those, those, those.
08:57Sorry, but guys, that was recorded for me.
09:00The taxi got in.
09:01Because we can't be naive when we talk about escapes and not talk about the police.
09:06Now, the police do this, they look at the cell phone while the prisoner takes the taxi.
09:10Do they do it because they are negligent or because they charge a fee?
09:14And I go one step further.
09:15They do it because they charge a fee or because someone, in an internal politics,
09:19tells him, as it is said in the jargon, and forgive the expression,
09:22put the lever in the ass, instead of putting first, second, third,
09:25put it in the ass.
09:26This is a jargon of the Buenos Aires police that applies to the city.
09:29And let things happen.
09:31This, it seems to me, was also the diagnosis of Jorge Macri,
09:34seeing what some policemen do.
09:37And he decides the last change, which is,
09:40I have a very complex, very delicate internal police,
09:43because it appears in these situations.
09:45So, I fire Minister Waldo Wolf,
09:48who was a minister who was working well,
09:50but who is more of a specialist in politics than in security.
09:53Of course, he is a political leader.
09:55It is a very particular world, that of security, how to ...
09:58To risk there.
09:59It seems to me that he took a risk in a place where he should not have taken a risk.
10:03Yes, that's why Horacio Jiménez now puts him as chief.
10:05I didn't do anything to the people yet.
10:07He is a policeman.
10:08He is a technician.
10:09He was chief.
10:10Sure.
10:11He was chief of the Metropolitan Police, remember?
10:13With many problems.
10:14He had an open cause for repression in El Borda.
10:16We can't stop saying that either.
10:18Now he is in another role.
10:19He is a minister.
10:20But what did the city choose?
10:21A minister in uniform.
10:23A technician.
10:24A guy to whom the police recognize as their own.
10:27As their own.
10:28And you say, this one is going to realize.
10:30If they are with a lever involved, who is doing business.
10:33He is inside.
10:34He knows how things move.
10:35Now, the people who are watching us say,
10:37but what Sol was saying, they are going in a taxi, guys.
10:40They are going in a taxi.
10:41It was not seen before.
10:42They couldn't see it.
10:43That's why it's very important.
10:44Horacio Jiménez, they told me, don't speak.
10:46Don't wait for him to give interviews all the time.
10:49That he is attending the microphones.
10:51What he has to do will be addressed.
10:52In any case, the spokespersons of the city will speak.
10:54Well, I think it's a good decision.
10:56Before an election campaign.
10:58That's the last point, Nacho.
11:00Before the election campaign.
11:02We'll see more leaks with the election campaign.
11:04Ah, well, yes.
11:06We'll be attentive.
11:07Thank you, guys.
11:08A luxury.
11:09A huge pleasure to make a pass with you.
11:11You are two great colleagues.
11:12We'll be watching you.
11:13See you.