En una entrevista reveladora, un exjefe de Gobierno de Buenos Aires comparte sus reflexiones tras un año alejado de la política activa. A pesar del golpe electoral que sufrió, se dedicó a la autocrítica y al aprendizaje personal. Durante este tiempo, se enfocó en su familia y en retomar estudios en Economía. Ahora, observa con preocupación el estado actual de la ciudad y critica la falta de gestión efectiva. Aunque sigue afiliado al PRO, no coincide con su dirección actual y enfatiza la importancia del diálogo y los valores originales del partido. Su futuro político aún es incierto.
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00:00Why are you coming back?
00:02I could tell you that I never left.
00:05My public and political vocation was always intact.
00:08Obviously, I was hit hard by the election.
00:11I had a lot of enthusiasm, I was prepared.
00:14I was very excited and I didn't see it coming.
00:18So you were convinced that you were going to win.
00:20Yesterday I heard you say something like that.
00:21Yes, yes, I was.
00:23Yes, I would tell you since I was 10 years old.
00:25No, it's okay.
00:27No, no, but I'm serious.
00:29All my career, all my political life, I had that enthusiasm.
00:34And yes, I was convinced.
00:36That's why the blow was stronger.
00:38But well, I took a year of, I would say, learning.
00:43I came from 16 years in the city.
00:47What did you do this year?
00:50I was a lot with my family, with my daughters, with miracles.
00:53I got married.
00:56I studied a lot.
00:58I went to give classes outside.
01:00I read a lot, things I didn't do.
01:02You saw in the management that I live,
01:04besides how I take it, from 7 in the morning to 10 at night.
01:07I didn't have time to read two pages.
01:09I read a lot.
01:10I went back to study economics.
01:12I had studied economics in college, but I had left it.
01:14And I kept walking around the city a lot.
01:17What do I do?
01:18Always, for 20 years.
01:19I walk, I go, I have coffee in a bar with a neighbor.
01:23I never stopped doing that.
01:26But above all, it was a year of reflection, of self-criticism,
01:29of learning from mistakes.
01:34Nothing, that.
01:35A lot of reflection and learning and a lot of family.
01:37A lot.
01:38And you walk and what do you see?
01:40I see that the city is not well.
01:42The truth is that it is a pity.
01:43It is destroyed, everything is not well.
01:45It is not good, it is not good.
01:46And look, I walk through all the neighborhoods.
01:48Yesterday I was in Cogland.
01:50Yesterday I was in Ilomeno Mansi, which I love,
01:52and in San Juan Iboedo.
01:54I sit down, someone always approaches.
01:58And yes, they tell you that the city is dirty.
02:00They tell you.
02:01You see it too.
02:02You don't have to tell me.
02:03We all see it.
02:04It is an obedience.
02:05And to solve problems, first you have to recognize them.
02:08If the king is naked, he is naked.
02:10And let's say it.
02:11And from that, you have to work to recover the Buenos Aires that it was,
02:15but also look to the future.
02:17It's not just looking back.
02:19Today the city of Buenos Aires is managed by the minister of your government,
02:22so he should know the city of Buenos Aires.
02:24Let's suppose.
02:25Yes.
02:26Yes.
02:27But that is to ask him.
02:29What I ask people.
02:31And listen to the word dirtiness,
02:33this issue of prisoners,
02:35that beyond being federal, people are afraid of.
02:38There is no great work.
02:40The work of Sarmiento was announced,
02:42which is very important to lift the tracks
02:44to remove all those infernal barriers,
02:46like the one in Nazca, for example.
02:48As the knowledge is already there, the technology,
02:50we did it here in Dos Cuadras.
02:52This barrier that was here in Córdoba was a drama.
02:55We raised the track, it was perfect.
02:57The knowledge is already there to do it.
02:59Now we have to do it in Sarmiento.
03:01And it is also a good time to resume the works of the subte.
03:05Now that there is stability,
03:06one can take a longer-term credit,
03:08which is how it is financed.
03:10In these 15 months that you left public administration,
03:13and that Jorge Macri assumes,
03:15did he give you a call?
03:17Did he ask you for advice?
03:19Did they talk?
03:21We talked a couple of times,
03:23two or three times,
03:25and I would tell you that it's been six months,
03:27eight, no, six months.
03:29And do they talk in terms of requests for advice?
03:31Because you managed the city, as you said, for 16 years.
03:34Eight as chief of staff, eight as chief of government.
03:37How was the exchange?
03:39Or the dialogue?
03:40No, at first there was some opinion,
03:42but well, he had been in the government,
03:44which I already knew.
03:46Do you return to the city?
03:48Well, I am a candidate in the city,
03:51because I still, sorry.
03:52Stop, stop, this election.
03:54And the 27th?
03:55So what project do you return to?
03:57Sorry, to make it clear.
03:58I will defend the city again, of course.
04:00For that I can do it either from the city legislature
04:03or from the National Congress.
04:05In any case, those who vote are the Porteños.
04:07No, it's okay, but beyond this election,
04:11Antonio, you return with a project on the 27th.
04:14Of what?
04:15Antonio, a big change in my life,
04:17is that until now, I am 59 years old,
04:20my life was a plan.
04:21Everything was perfectly planned,
04:22I got up here, tac, tac, tac, tac,
04:24I traveled all that way,
04:26I got to the area, the archer threw me on the floor,
04:29the tribune threw me.
04:30I mean, a big change in my life,
04:32I don't want to plan anymore.
04:34I planned everything, everything, everything came out.
04:36I am happy.
04:37But you are planning.
04:38No, no, look, I can't even tell you today
04:41what I would be a candidate for this year.
04:44And I tell you, I don't know.
04:46Before I would have answered,
04:47well, it's not time for candidacy,
04:49if that's for the future.
04:50I don't know, if I don't know, I don't know.
04:52So, much less on the 27th.
04:54No, I'm not going to plan it.
04:55And all this, obviously,
04:57you are still in the pro.
04:59I was affiliated with the pro.
05:01The fact that it does not coincide with the conduction of the pro
05:04does not make me leave.
05:07You are not going to leave the pro.
05:08Look, they just said it with the example.
05:10There are a lot of mouthworms
05:11that do not coincide with Riquelme at all.
05:13Yes.
05:14And that's not why they make the river.
05:15I do not agree with the conduction of the pro.
05:17I said it the first day.
05:19I said I did not agree to give the pro to my law.
05:23That there had to have been a constructive opposition,
05:26supporting what is right,
05:28pointing out what is wrong.
05:29Well, that was not done.
05:30What happens is that ...
05:31I am an affiliate of the pro, more,
05:33but I do not agree, nor am I part of the conduction.
05:35You are an affiliate.
05:36You are part of the pro.
05:37It is a case in this sense,
05:38it is similar to Patricia Woolrich,
05:40in the sense that you are going to compete against the pro.
05:43If you are a candidate.
05:45It's like you're a fan of the pro,
05:46but at the same time you're going to compete against the pro.
05:49Look, without belittling the question,
05:51for me it is not the most important thing, the game.
05:53Here the important thing is the people.
05:55I have to defend the goalkeepers,
05:56that I know the city very well.
05:58I am proud of the work I did.
06:00And besides, the important thing in a game are its values.
06:02I did not move.
06:03I am in the same place.
06:04I still believe in an Argentina with dialogue,
06:08in which you can think differently and not be attacked.
06:11Not because you think differently,
06:13you're going to be the enemy,
06:14or they tell me Lali Depósito, and all those things.
06:17No, I do not like it.
06:18I do not agree with that.
06:19And the pro is always like that.
06:21You remember, even with Mauricio,
06:23I can have differences,
06:24but he is a guy who never attacked anyone,
06:26being president.
06:27He did not attack the one who criticized him.
06:30Well, I do not agree with that,
06:32I do not agree with these messianic leaders,
06:34this yesterday,
06:35to say that Ukraine was not invaded,
06:40this international positioning,
06:42of following Trump.
06:44I do not agree with that,
06:45and the pro was not that.
06:47We have always been very respectful of diversity.
06:49So, I'm in the same place,
06:51in the same values,
06:52with which we founded the pro,
06:54twenty something years ago.
06:56And with Mauricio, do you have dialogue?
06:58No, I called him
07:00a little while ago for his birthday,
07:02which coincided with the day we beat Boca 2-0,
07:06so it was half happy birthday,
07:08half football games.
07:09That was the last time.
07:11But you did not end badly.
07:13No, he made the decision,
07:15in our internal,
07:16to support Patricia,
07:17and he has all the rights in the world.
07:19It was a political decision,
07:21nothing, period.
07:23That's how it was,
07:24and I did, sorry,
07:25I expressed my disagreement
07:29of a delivery of the pro to my law,
07:33and a loss of identity.
07:35In other words, we lost our identity.
07:37The pro was a party ...
07:38They can not lose the city.
07:39Well, the pro was a party
07:40very rooted in public management,
07:42very based on the management of the city.
07:45So, this delivery to a government
07:48that does not believe in the public,
07:50does not believe in the public,
07:51I do not agree.
07:52I made my life,
07:53from public function to my life.
07:55Today, between public function,
07:57public management,
07:58the city,
07:59and my life is more or less the same.
08:01And I think there are many people
08:02who broke their soul
08:03working in management in the city
08:04and elsewhere.
08:05So, that's why I do not agree
08:08with this approach,
08:10check and one ...
08:11When you say that the pro
08:12lost its identity,
08:14it is interpreted as a direct criticism
08:15to Mauricio Macri,
08:16beyond the relationship you have,
08:18because he is the president of the pro?
08:20The pro lost its identity,
08:21Mauricio is the president,
08:22one plus one, yes.
08:26And how do you imagine,
08:28let's take your theory
08:30that you do not plan or do not plan.
08:32For once in my life, Antonio,
08:33I spent planning everything, everything.
08:35The management of the city, for me,
08:37was millimeter plan,
08:38that we started the step of the bass,
08:39that day we finished,
08:40that day so much money,
08:41everything, everything like that.
08:42That's management.
08:43I think you're planning it,
08:44you're planning it,
08:45if not,
08:46put the name you want,
08:49but how do you imagine,
08:51from here to the elections,
08:53what are you going to put together,
08:54with whom are you going to put it together?
08:55You have to have something in mind.
08:56Of course,
08:57from here to the elections of this year,
08:59I told you that I did not plan
09:00when you told me about the 27th,
09:01I think it's another life.
09:03From here,
09:04I'm going to keep doing the same
09:05I've been doing almost all year,
09:08intensify the last time,
09:09walk the city, walk, I'm going,
09:11today I think I have the macro back,
09:13I'm going to be in the violets in the afternoon,
09:15that, I'm going to do the same.
09:18Always from the party.
09:20The pro,
09:21from your party,
09:23let's see,
09:24I insist,
09:25today the party,
09:26forgive me,
09:27in my opinion,
09:28is not the most important thing,
09:29the important thing is the values we represent,
09:30and I represent the same,
09:31or I intend to represent,
09:33the same values with which we founded the pro,
09:36the same,
09:37I don't move an inch of that.
09:38Because we are going to a stage without step,
09:40then,
09:41there is no step.
09:42You are not going to compete
09:43within the same internal with the pro,
09:44as could happen at another time.
09:45No,
09:46yes,
09:47there will be an internal in the pro,
09:48or not?
09:49No,
09:50not having a step,
09:51no,
09:52not having a step,
09:53the internal game.
09:54And then you go outside.
09:55Look,
09:56let's see,
09:57it is still not clear what the pro is going to be.
09:58No,
09:59no,
10:00no,
10:01I give you,
10:02we plan together.
10:03Yes,
10:04we plan together.
10:05You go outside if there is no step.
10:06What I tell you is,
10:07it is still not clear what the pro is.
10:08Is the pro with my law?
10:09No.
10:10I don't know,
10:11I don't know.
10:12No,
10:13I think the pro is split.
10:14Well,
10:15that's why.
10:16It is part of the pro.
10:17In Congress,
10:18maybe yes.
10:19That's why.
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