👉 En un contexto de tensión política, el reciente nombramiento de jueces en la Corte Suprema de Argentina por decreto presidencial ha generado un intenso debate. La medida, que se justifica ante la falta de consenso en el Senado, ha sido criticada por expertos constitucionales que argumentan que no respeta el espíritu democrático. El ministro Mariano Cúneo Libarona defendió la legalidad del proceso, mientras que opositores señalan una intromisión del poder ejecutivo. Los periodistas Antonio Laje y Luis Novaresio discuten sobre estos temas.
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00:00The impact of yesterday's hearing...
00:03Yes.
00:04I have... I'm going to give you some questions later.
00:07No, you were telling me you had a very busy program today, right?
00:10Today was intense.
00:12Was it good?
00:13Yes, it was good.
00:14I was just listening to the minister.
00:16I don't like... I don't think of a note that doesn't belong to...
00:19Hey, the interviewee left.
00:23I would kindly invite him to read constitutional history.
00:27What the minister is saying is not correct in any way.
00:30First, there seems to be a...
00:34a huge constitutional sadness
00:37that was proposed to the son and to García Mancilla by decree.
00:41It's in the president's faculties.
00:44When the Senate doesn't work...
00:45The Senate starts working on Monday.
00:47I don't think...
00:48It's not correct that the Senate went to sleep.
00:51Something happens that I understand complicates the management of my law.
00:54They didn't accept what they wanted in the closed book.
00:57I mean, the Constitution has a tradition that says
01:00to appoint a judge, you need a special majority.
01:03If they don't appoint you this year, what happens?
01:05They leave.
01:07First, it's not correct that the court works worse with three magistrates.
01:11There is no statistical data that proves it.
01:13They have made the same number of mistakes as always.
01:15So it didn't work well with nine or seven.
01:18With nine...
01:19Because it can't be the same issue.
01:21Why?
01:22Because it's a matter of logic.
01:23If you have three members,
01:27it must be more difficult to get cases
01:29than if you have five or seven.
01:31This is correct.
01:32If there are nine, it's more difficult to get consensus.
01:35They have to turn the votes.
01:37But let's go to the statistics.
01:38How many mistakes did the court make with five or three?
01:42The same amount.
01:43So it's not true that the court works worse.
01:45Second, it seems to me a complication that the executive power
01:49tells another power how it works or not.
01:51Imagine that tomorrow Rosencrantz says
01:53that the executive power is working poorly.
01:56But that's historical in Argentina.
01:59Every government wants the court to determine the amount.
02:01It's true.
02:02It's a cheap thing.
02:04It should be fixed.
02:06But it can't be that one government wants seven,
02:09another wants five, another wants thirteen.
02:11But in that sense, the government of my law
02:13responds to what has happened with all the other governments.
02:15It's delirious.
02:16What worries me is...
02:17Except that nobility obliges.
02:20Particular institutional data.
02:22The Alfonsín court, because it came from the dictatorship.
02:26I'm not judging Kirchner's government.
02:29But the appointments of Argibay, Hayton, Zaffaroni
02:34were appointments that came out of the court
02:36of the automatic majority of Nazareno-MNM.
02:38And I remember that Patricia Ulrich supported that.
02:40Yesterday she said something else.
02:42Yes, that's what worries me.
02:44But why would they approve it?
02:48They're not going to approve it.
02:49They're not going to approve it.
02:50They haven't approved it yet.
02:51They already warned us that they're not going to approve it.
02:53Do you know how democracies work?
02:55Well, you don't have a consensus, because the constitution...
02:57You look for a plan B.
02:59You look for other members.
03:00Well, what Cunio and Oliverano were saying is that
03:02they were evaluating other possibilities.
03:04I don't know.
03:05What worries me is the end of the year.
03:10Because it's weird.
03:11If you're here for a year and then you go home.
03:13Yes, well, that's why the position of the son...
03:16Yes, they didn't renounce him.
03:18Which I think is very unwise.
03:22Aren't you with the dependency relationship?
03:24No, I think...
03:26Besides, I think there's something even deeper.
03:29Are they going to accept both of them being appointed by decree?
03:33Well, I think so, they accepted it.
03:35But, I mean, Dr. García Mancilla...
03:37He said no.
03:38He said no.
03:39But, I mean, he's a jurist, you know.
03:41Does it make constitutional noise for him to go to court by decree?
03:45Well, I think it's not illegal.
03:49No, it's not in the constitution.
03:52It's not the spirit of the constitution.
03:54But you risk that at the end of the year...
03:56Yes, and you risk ruining a curriculum...
04:00I'm talking about Mancilla, right?
04:02I don't have the pleasure of knowing him,
04:04but he's a man of a lot of academic tradition.
04:06Some say, hey, but appoint a conservative judge.
04:08That's an ideological detail that I'm not going to get into.
04:11I mean, the courts...
04:13In the United States, it's a classic.
04:15You appoint a liberal, you appoint a conservative.
04:17Now, I say, is Dr. García Mancilla going to accept?
04:20Well, yes, if he hadn't been appointed.
04:22He should have been consulted.
04:24I haven't heard about it.
04:26I suppose they would have consulted him.
04:28You sign a decree appointing a minister of the court without consulting him if he accepts.
04:33At the time, he said no.
04:35At the time, he said, no, I'm not going to accept by decree.
04:37He changed his mind.
04:39Will they appoint him on March 1st?
04:41The judges? I doubt it.
04:43I doubt it because there is an administrative process...
04:45He has to take oaths, right?
04:47First, the son has to accept the license or not, he would have to resign.
04:52No, I think, in terms of...
04:54I don't think they'll read it.
04:56But to say several things.
04:58It's not true that with three members the court works worse.
05:01There is no statistical data about it.
05:03It seems to me that the executive,
05:05I was just listening to Acuña, the executive,
05:07saying how it has to work.
05:09It's an intrusion of one power over the other.
05:11And what happens is that it's not true that the Senate fell asleep.
05:13The Senate didn't agree.
05:15Of course. This happens in democracies.
05:17It usually happens.
05:19What happens is that it didn't agree.
05:21It's true.
05:23Is it legal for you to appoint him by decree?
05:25It's legal. It's in the Constitution.
05:27And will it happen that the Senate will continue without agreeing?
05:29This is the problem.
05:31Are you going to be in court for a year?
05:33But it's not true that there were 11 presidents.
05:35No, there are many less.
05:37If you want, I'll look it up here.
05:39Macri never nominated...
05:41I mean, he proposed and then he retracted.
05:43I heard him say it with Majul, if I remember correctly.
05:45It was a mistake to have proposed by decree.
05:49So, nothing.
05:51Mitre, after the Civil War,
05:53Avellaneda, Juárez-Selman,
05:55and a quarter more...
05:57Avellaneda, I think. I don't remember.
05:59Is he wearing a suit?
06:01He asked me the same thing.
06:03He's talking to me about jurists, about the court.
06:05On top of a suit?
06:07Can't you answer?
06:09Could it be an unconscious person who told me to wear a suit?
06:11Lucia Salinas...
06:13Don't miss Lucia Salinas' analysis today.
06:15Yes, she was writing to me.
06:17It was impossible to read you, Lucia.
06:19She was listening to him.
06:21And she said to me, why is he wearing a suit?
06:23I don't know.
06:25I'm like...
06:27Because he's not Sacco.
06:29Well, Escuño wanted Toga.
06:31Do you remember?
06:33On his lawyer's side.
06:35And I brought a year of my life to see you with Toga.
06:37No, no.
06:39You see, there are a lot of countries that...
06:41But I don't know.
06:43Except that I stepped on a gum.
06:45There's a legal blow planned.
06:47For me, it's the wise unconscious
06:49that brought me to this side.
06:51Well, nothing.
06:53I was going to remind you Villaruel,
06:55but I didn't agree.
06:57Yes, I didn't agree.
06:59What does it say?
07:01It's your producer.
07:03They ask me if there's Toga.
07:05No, the commanders have...
07:07What's the name?
07:09Sometimes there is.
07:11There's Toga?
07:13Look.
07:15There it is.
07:17No, I think it's unnecessary.
07:19Unnecessary.
07:21We're on your show.
07:23No, we're leaving.
07:25It's the story of a deputy
07:27who was Chumpita in my city.
07:29Chumpitas, who said...
07:31Do you remember that last year
07:33he didn't go to the first session
07:35of Ficha Limpia?
07:37I don't remember.
07:39Do you remember?
07:41You watch TV channels.
07:43He has a new project.
07:45Do you have it there?
07:47Antidoping and Narcotics
07:49for Politics and Justice.
07:51It's not new.
07:53I remember.
07:55In San Luis, if I'm not mistaken.
07:57Yes.
07:59Deputy Chumpitas,
08:01why don't you legislate?
08:03And cancel the session.
08:05I'm legislating.
08:07When you have to cancel,
08:09you forget.
08:11I'm a lawyer.
08:13Something happened.
08:15You're never behind.
08:17Something happened.
08:19Is it bad?
08:21No, I won't come all the time.
08:23Do you like Mercedes Mendoza?
08:25Salinas likes her.
08:27I love her.
08:29I love her.
08:31If I didn't know
08:33that the court closes at 1pm,
08:35I'm convinced of that.
08:37I worked a long time as a lawyer.
08:39I'm going to present an amparo.
08:41He's doing Uber jobs.
08:45What is this?
08:47Narcotics.
08:49Stop working for the court.
08:53Generate what has to work.
08:55Stop meddling in other people's business.