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00:00I'm allergic to peppers and carrots, so I don't like kids.
00:06I'm like, no, don't say things like that to a kid.
00:09But when I eat it, I get allergic to it.
00:12I don't want people to understand that.
00:14The theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:17I'm allergic to dust, so when I change my clothes, I risk my life.
00:22When I put gluten in my body, I feel like my face is getting bigger.
00:28Your face?
00:29Due to the immune system that protects the body,
00:31some parts of the body and the whole body are allergic.
00:35According to some research data,
00:3760% of Japanese people have some kind of allergic reaction.
00:41It is also known as national disease.
00:44So, the theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:47Allergy.
00:49It's a lot more severe than a normal person's allergy.
00:53If you go to a dermatologist and get a blood test,
00:57they say it's 100 times worse than a normal person's allergy.
01:00Soba, peanuts.
01:02I can't eat anything but white fish.
01:04I can't eat eggs, I can't eat natto.
01:06I can't eat all dairy products.
01:08I can't eat school lunches.
01:11I have to make it with my family and take it with me.
01:13My friend told me that I can't eat all the blue food coloring.
01:18For example, if there is a lot of blue food coloring in melon soda or blue Hawaii,
01:23you can get a kidney disease.
01:25I think it's pretty bad.
01:28However, people around her don't understand allergies.
01:32I have a fruit allergy.
01:34When I go to a cafe,
01:36they say,
01:38there's only a little bit of fruit in the tart,
01:40so you can eat it.
01:42It's not a problem like that.
01:44This woman has a peanut allergy.
01:47It happened to be in one of the sweets my friend brought.
01:52It was handmade, so I didn't notice it.
01:54It's called anaphylactic shock.
01:56It can be difficult to breathe.
01:58I've had a symptom that involves life.
02:02So tonight, we're going to talk deeply about allergies.
02:07A night where Uyakozuna roars deeply.
02:14This program is a talk show for adults talking about deep topics.
02:17The theme of this time is allergies.
02:19Do you have any allergies?
02:21Yes, I have a hay fever.
02:24I also have an allergic rhinitis.
02:27The reason why I have an allergic rhinitis is that
02:30I can't get it even if I get a checkup.
02:32You can't get it even if you get a checkup?
02:34I was told that there was nothing wrong with my nose.
02:38So I've been taking medicine for about 10 years.
02:41What kind of hay fever is it?
02:43It's a hay fever.
02:45I cry when I'm not supposed to cry.
02:47You can't stop your runny nose?
02:49I don't have a runny nose.
02:51I don't have a runny nose.
02:53But you can't help it.
02:55It's a symptom.
02:57It seems that only one of you has an allergy.
03:01I've listed what kind of allergies you have.
03:05You all have hay fever.
03:07You have food.
03:09What's your hay fever like?
03:12It's already past New Year's.
03:14It's already here.
03:16I get allergic reactions to a lot of things.
03:18My skin gets rough and my eyes get itchy.
03:21And then hay fever.
03:23I also have a little reaction to rice fever and hay fever.
03:27So I have a hard time every season.
03:29I see.
03:31I have hay fever, hay fever, hay fever, hay fever, hay fever, hay fever all year round.
03:34It's really hard.
03:37It's really hard.
03:39When you go to work,
03:41isn't it hard to do it all year round?
03:43It's hard.
03:44When I go to work,
03:46I have a runny nose,
03:48but it's even worse.
03:50People think I'm that kind of person.
03:52I see.
03:54Is there a lot of hay fever patients in Japan?
03:58About 40% of Japanese people have hay fever.
04:02And in the past 25 years,
04:04hay fever has increased exponentially.
04:07Especially hay fever.
04:09This is unique to Japan.
04:11In order to compensate for the lack of wood,
04:14we planted cedar trees.
04:16As a result, hay fever has increased.
04:18This is a big problem now.
04:20How about you, Ririko?
04:21I was born in Sweden.
04:23When I was born,
04:25I didn't have hay fever at all.
04:27When I was 7 years old,
04:29I moved to Ikiya.
04:31There was a white birch tree in the garden around it.
04:34That's how I got hay fever.
04:37When I was 18, I moved to Japan.
04:39There was no white birch tree.
04:41I was so happy.
04:43Welcome to Japan.
04:45Welcome.
04:47It was worse than the white birch tree.
04:51You don't look like you have hay fever,
04:53but you look stronger than an allergy.
04:55I thought I would win against an allergy.
04:59But I was defeated.
05:03Our immune system works to protect our body.
05:08But if we overreact,
05:10we will be defeated by the enemy.
05:12That's what an allergy is.
05:14Many people think they get allergic
05:16because their immune system is weak.
05:18But in fact,
05:20they get allergic because their immune system is too strong.
05:23Do you get hay fever
05:25because you overreact?
05:27That's right.
05:29I think you're right.
05:31I'm very satisfied.
05:33How about you, Ito?
05:35I have a big problem, too.
05:37I've had hay fever for a long time.
05:40I went to a village with a lot of white birch trees
05:43when I was in my 40s.
05:46It was getting worse and worse.
05:49At the end of the day,
05:51my face was swollen.
05:53When I went to the doctor,
05:55he said I had a white birch allergy.
05:57I've never had it before.
05:59I think there were too many white birch trees in the village.
06:03I see.
06:05Do you take medicine for hay fever?
06:07Yes, I do.
06:09There's a medicine I take every day.
06:11If I don't take it,
06:13I can't work.
06:15I forget to take it with me.
06:17When I go to a local location,
06:19I'm like,
06:21I can't go there.
06:23It's mentally exhausting.
06:25I take ZECCA treatment.
06:27It's a substance that contains
06:29a dense amount of hay pollen.
06:31I take it every day
06:33for four days.
06:35Then I quit.
06:37Why did you quit?
06:39I thought it would get worse
06:41if I took a lot of it.
06:43Psychologically, it's scary.
06:45Is it a very effective medicine?
06:47Yes, it is.
06:49The basic solution is
06:51ZECCA treatment.
06:53Basically, it lasts for three years.
06:55Three years?
06:57You quit in three years and four days?
06:59Will it be cured?
07:01No.
07:03If you can't take it,
07:05I recommend ZOREA.
07:07What's that?
07:09ZOREA is an antibiotic
07:11that neutralizes
07:13protein that causes allergies.
07:15Basically,
07:17if you take it once a month,
07:19it's better than drinking medicine.
07:21It has a dramatic effect
07:23on people with severe symptoms.
07:25I take it because it's bad for me.
07:27How does it work?
07:29I take it twice a year.
07:31It's very effective.
07:33I didn't know that.
07:35What kind of treatment do you take?
07:37My hay fever
07:39has improved a lot.
07:41I can't eat
07:43any fruit.
07:45I can't eat apples,
07:47cherries,
07:49and peaches.
07:51I can't eat anything
07:53I get as a gift.
07:55I can't eat nuts.
07:57What happens when you eat nuts?
07:59My mouth gets itchy.
08:01It's the same with fruits.
08:03I get itchy
08:05when I pull out my teeth
08:07or the roots of my teeth.
08:09In the end,
08:11Ririko doesn't like sweets.
08:13That's what she thinks.
08:15That's not true.
08:17She doesn't understand.
08:19When I ask her if there are nuts in it,
08:21she looks at the cake.
08:23She says,
08:25It's powder.
08:27Sometimes it's in the whipped cream.
08:29I see.
08:31So,
08:33I don't like
08:35eating on TV.
08:37I see.
08:39In fact,
08:41allergies such as walnuts and cashew nuts
08:43are increasing in Japan.
08:45In the past,
08:47the three major allergens in Japan
08:49were eggs, milk, and wheat.
08:51However,
08:53in 2023,
08:55the three major allergens
08:57were eggs, wheat, and milk.
08:59Kojima-san,
09:01do you have an allergy to food?
09:03When I heard about Ririko,
09:05I thought I finally met her.
09:07But she doesn't like cherries.
09:09She suddenly showed up
09:11because she loves cherries.
09:13She said,
09:15It's great to be an adult.
09:17I was eating American cherries.
09:19While I was eating,
09:21I felt itchy here.
09:23I felt itchy.
09:25Then,
09:27the allergist told me
09:29that I have an allergy
09:31to a plant called pannochia.
09:33It's called cross-reaction.
09:35I have an allergy
09:37to the food of roses.
09:39Maybe that's it.
09:41So,
09:43when I'm eating apples or roses,
09:45I'm worried about
09:47what to do if I get an allergy.
09:49I didn't know that pollen allergy
09:51was related to an allergy to food.
09:53Me, neither.
09:55This is called
09:57pollen-plant allergy syndrome.
09:59It's called pannochia.
10:01It's a group of
10:03shirakamba.
10:05When you have pollen allergy,
10:07you can't eat fruits like roses,
10:09soy milk, or beans.
10:11The pollen protein
10:13is similar to
10:15the structure of
10:17shirakamba.
10:19However,
10:21this group of shirakamba
10:23can be eaten by heating.
10:25So,
10:27you can eat
10:29carrots in curry.
10:31I see.
10:33Once you heat them,
10:35you can eat them.
10:37I've heard that
10:39if you eat a lot of shirakamba,
10:41you can get an allergy.
10:43It's like a cup.
10:45If you eat too much,
10:47you can get an allergy.
10:49The cup theory
10:51is very famous.
10:53But it's not like that anymore.
10:55Is it different?
10:57In the past,
10:59people thought
11:01they could eat more.
11:03But now,
11:05people don't have to
11:07eat too much.
11:09I see.
11:11Is there a way
11:13to get rid of the allergy?
11:15For example,
11:17people who have been eating
11:19shirakamba for a long time
11:21can't get an allergy.
11:23However,
11:25there is a way
11:27to get rid of the allergy.
11:29You can eat
11:31rice with the pollen.
11:33Rice with the pollen?
11:35Yes.
11:37By eating rice with the pollen,
11:39you can get rid of the allergy.
11:41The Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries
11:43is working on it.
11:45I see.
11:47Is it because many people
11:49eat rice with the pollen?
11:51That's right.
11:53The Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries
11:55is working on it.
11:57However,
11:59rice with the pollen
12:01is being developed
12:03by various companies.
12:05Do dogs have food?
12:07I don't have food.
12:09I'm not good at playing soccer.
12:11Do you have an allergy?
12:13I don't like it.
12:15I don't have an allergy.
12:17Is there anything
12:19other than firewood
12:21that can make apples?
12:23I don't have food.
12:25I only have house dust
12:27and medicine.
12:29When I take medicine,
12:31I get swollen
12:33and can't breathe.
12:35I was taken to the hospital once.
12:37The doctor examined me
12:39and I didn't have a sprain.
12:41I thought,
12:43is it really an allergy?
12:45But the medicine I was taking
12:47was a normal painkiller.
12:49It's suspicious.
12:51When adults have food allergies,
12:53they often can't get an allergy
12:55just by eating the cause of the food.
12:57It's probably a drug allergy,
12:59so let's do an experiment
13:01to find out the cause of the allergy.
13:03Let's do it twice.
13:06When adults have food allergies,
13:08they often can't get an allergy
13:10just by eating the cause of the food.
13:12When they eat the cause of the food,
13:14they exercise,
13:16take the antipyretics,
13:18drink alcohol,
13:20and get sick.
13:22This combination
13:24can cause an allergy.
13:26This is called food-dependent
13:28exercise-inducing anaphylaxis.
13:30It's very long.
13:32This is a combination of
13:34food-dependent exercise-inducing anaphylaxis
13:36and food-dependent exercise-inducing anaphylaxis.
13:38So maybe the cause of the allergy
13:40was the food.
13:42I don't remember what I ate
13:44that night.
13:46What was it?
13:48Kojima-san,
13:50do you have any other allergies?
13:52I had the same thing
13:54as Ito-san in the past.
13:56Every time I catch a cold,
13:58I get red, round, and itchy.
14:00I thought it was a strange cold.
14:02So I told Kojima-san about it.
14:04Then he said,
14:06maybe it's a drug allergy.
14:08Let's go to the hospital
14:10and check it out.
14:12So I went to the hospital
14:14and talked to the doctor.
14:16He said,
14:18let's do a test to find out
14:20the cause of the allergy.
14:22So I went to the hospital twice
14:24and checked the ingredients
14:26of the drug.
14:28I couldn't drink it anymore.
14:30If I didn't drink it,
14:32I would be fine.
14:34So the doctor told me
14:36I had an allergy.
14:38Hori-san, do you have any other allergies?
14:40I have skin care
14:42and facial packs.
14:44If the ingredients of plants are strong,
14:46my face gets red and swollen
14:48and itchy.
14:50So I have to wash my face
14:52with water in a hurry.
14:54My face gets red and swollen
14:56all day long.
14:58I can't do that.
15:00So you have to keep using
15:02the same products all the time?
15:04Basically, I have to do a patch test
15:06and use gentle products
15:08for my skin.
15:10If I use the same products
15:12every now and then,
15:14my face gets itchy.
15:16You can tell when you put it on, right?
15:18Yes, I can.
15:20I can tell when I put it on.
15:22If you put it on too long,
15:24your face gets red and swollen.
15:26So if you use a product
15:28that's strong in plants,
15:30you lose.
15:32If you directly apply
15:34foods such as honey
15:36or yogurt to your skin,
15:38it is often discussed
15:40on social media
15:42that it has a beauty effect.
15:44However, it is highly dangerous
15:46because the ingredients of the food
15:48infiltrate the skin
15:50and cause an allergic reaction
15:52and cause allergies.
15:54What do you have to be careful about, Ririko?
15:58Well, a lot of kids don't know about their allergies yet.
16:04For example, a lot of kids live in areas where there are a lot of kids, like Halloween and foreigners.
16:09So they give out nuts.
16:11Everyone says, give it to me, give it to me.
16:13There are fewer things that don't have nuts in them now.
16:17So they say, there's nuts in it.
16:19I think those kids probably know, but they have to say it.
16:22I see.
16:23You have to be very careful.
16:24I see.
16:25If you give them the nuts you gave them on Halloween, it could be a big problem.
16:29That's right.
16:30But in Sweden, there's a lot of understanding of allergies.
16:36When I was little, a troupe came to my elementary school.
16:40They said, if you do this, you'll get an allergy.
16:43So they did a play for me.
16:45They said, people with hay fever.
16:47I said, thank you for coming.
16:49They said, yay!
16:51The students said, stop!
16:53If you do this, you'll get more pollen.
16:56So people with allergies are in trouble.
17:00They teach you in a fun way.
17:02Yes.
17:03Inukai, are you careful?
17:05There's a store that says soba udon.
17:08Actually, that's...
17:10I see.
17:11I'm careful about that.
17:15Don't say things like that to a kid.
17:18If you eat that, you'll get an allergy.
17:21That's what I understand.
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17:38Inukai, are you careful?
17:40I have a friend who has a soba allergy.
17:44When I go out to eat, of course I don't choose a soba restaurant.
17:47But there's a store that says soba udon.
17:50I've heard that they actually boil the noodles in the same water.
17:56I try to avoid that.
17:58I'm careful about that.
18:00I see.
18:02You grew up in Sweden,
18:05so do you have any understanding of allergies in Japan?
18:10I'm allergic to bell peppers and carrots.
18:14I hate kids.
18:16I'm sorry, but I can't eat bell peppers and carrots.
18:19Don't say things like that to a kid.
18:22But if you eat that, you'll get an allergy.
18:25That's what I don't understand.
18:27People think you're just saying it because you don't like it.
18:30In Sweden, allergies are called invisible handicaps.
18:35It's easy to understand if you have a disability,
18:39like a wheelchair.
18:41But it's scary because you can't see it.
18:45I don't say you should understand everything,
18:48but I want you to know.
18:50Don't say you don't like it.
18:52In Japan, people are learning a lot about allergies and handicaps.
18:58I think people are starting to understand more and more.
19:03I see.
19:05So we talked about allergies.
19:07How was it, Inukai?
19:09I think it's important to know yourself.
19:12If you know yourself, you can be considerate to others.
19:18Plus, if you don't know what you're allergic to,
19:23you have to eat raw fish.
19:25What are you talking about?
19:30Next time, learn about feminism.
19:32When I was raising him,
19:34he didn't tell me what to do,
19:36but he told me to quit my job,
19:38go shopping, kiss him,
19:40and wash my fingers.
19:42I'm not mad at him, but I feel guilty for not doing it.
19:45Stay tuned.