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Host:
- Maria Memon
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- Mian Rauf Atta (Lawyer)
- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
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Host:
- Maria Memon
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- Shahbaz Rana (Economist Analyst)
- Mian Rauf Atta (Lawyer)
- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
IMF Delegation’s Busy Week: Meetings with Chief Justice and Supreme Court Bar | Maria Memon Analysis
IMF Delegation & Supreme Court Bar: Key Discussion Highlights - President of the Supreme Court Bar
IMF Mission Bigger Delegation Expected in April - Senior Journalist Shahbaz Rana Big News
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Memon with the program Sawale Ke Saath.
00:12Today's top story is IMF's busy week.
00:14We have met the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Supreme Court Bar Association.
00:18In the first part of the program, we will talk about this week of the IMF.
00:22After that, has the government read the letter?
00:25In the second part of the program, we will ask the government
00:28whether the Chief Justice of Pakistan has read the letter or not.
00:36In the last part of the program, we will talk about the death of the boy who was missing in Karachi for a month.
00:44Let's start with the Supreme Court.
00:46Today, we have seen that seven new judges have been appointed.
00:54In addition, the Chief Justice of Sindh and Peshawar High Courts has also given a speech.
01:00So, we can see that there is a lot of commotion on the court front.
01:03This week has been a busy week.
01:05During this time, the IMF delegation that came to Pakistan also had very unique meetings
01:10which have not been done in the history of Pakistan before.
01:13The first meeting we saw was with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
01:16The second meeting was with the officials of the Supreme Court Bar Association.
01:20This was a very peculiar and unique meeting.
01:23Why did this happen?
01:25We will also talk about this in the first part of the program.
01:27What does Alamia say?
01:30According to Alamia, the President of the Supreme Court Bar,
01:32in accordance with the court,
01:34in light of all the cases,
01:36the IMF delegation was informed of the importance of the third system of judges.
01:41The delegation also discussed corruption and the environment for external capital.
01:46The delegation also discussed legal reforms and good governance with the IMF delegation.
01:50The President of the Supreme Court Bar also informed about the details of the system of justice.
01:55The President of the Supreme Court Bar also pointed out that
01:57the system of punishment and punishment is already in place in the judicial system.
02:00The President of the Supreme Court Bar also said that the Supreme Judicial Council
02:03resolves complaints against the judges of the Supreme Court.
02:06In addition, the High Courts look at cases related to the judges of the Supreme Court.
02:09According to Alamia, the President of the Supreme Court Bar has declared the rule of law
02:13as the foundation of a democratic society.
02:16Before this, a meeting was held on February 11 with the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
02:20Yaya Afridi.
02:22This was also a very unique meeting.
02:24It was a very unique meeting.
02:27In Alamia, it was said that the IMF delegation met with the Chief Justice.
02:33The Chief Justice praised the delegation.
02:35He reviewed the ongoing efforts to improve the judicial system.
02:38He said that justice is a free institution.
02:40It is his responsibility to protect the independence of the Cyber House.
02:43This is written in Alamia.
02:45In the meeting, the Chief Justice highlighted the important legal progress and reforms
02:48related to the Judicial Commission.
02:50He also talked about the judicial decisions of the Supreme Court
02:52and the judicial system of the Judicial Commission.
02:55In Alamia, it was said that during the meeting,
02:57there was also a discussion on the resolution of complaints against the judicial system and judges.
03:02According to the statement issued by the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
03:05the Chief Justice met with the delegation of the IMF at the request of the Ministry of Treasury.
03:09The meeting between the IMF delegation and the Chief Justice took place at a time
03:13when the government's economic policies will be reviewed by the IMF at the end of the month.
03:21The Minister of Justice said that there was no discussion on the merits of the cases.
03:24However, there was an overall discussion.
03:26The IMF is writing a lot of letters.
03:28What is the position of the Ministry of Justice on this?
03:30The political situation is such that the letters are written to the IMF
03:35and they call upon the IMF to take action on the issues in the courts.
03:42The Chief Justice, as the head of the institution,
03:45asked for time to talk to the IMF on some issues.
03:48All these areas were covered.
03:51In a positive atmosphere, the IMF did not go to any court case,
03:55nor did they file a C.M.
03:57If the Judiciary had met with their consent,
03:59they could have at least said that we do not want to meet the Judiciary.
04:02But the Judiciary's help in the financial discipline is very vital.
04:06That is why the IMF met with them.
04:08The money that we have received, the program that we have received,
04:10the financial help that we have received, the breathing space that we have received,
04:13we have received it because of the IMF and it is our compulsion.
04:16It is not our will.
04:18It is not his will, but because of his compulsion,
04:20Khawaja Asif is saying this.
04:21Prior to the program, Mr. Mia Raufattah,
04:23the President of the Supreme Court Bar Association,
04:25was a part of this meeting today.
04:26We will ask her what was discussed there
04:28and did she find anything unique about this meeting.
04:30Mr. Shahbaz Rana, who was originally informed about this,
04:32who told us last week that meetings are going to be held this week,
04:36apart from the regular mandate of the IMF,
04:38these are very intense meetings.
04:40We will talk about this.
04:41Mr. Rauf, thank you very much for joining us.
04:43Since we have met you, let us start the discussion with you.
04:46This meeting today,
04:49did you find it unique?
04:52Before this, the IMF never met the Supreme Court Bar Association.
04:56In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
04:58Thank you very much for hosting this program.
05:00Yesterday, when I was leaving the office,
05:02I received a telephone call from the office
05:04that there is an email in which the IMF spokesman
05:07has expressed his desire to meet the President of the Supreme Court Bar Association
05:10and the members of the Pakistan Bar Council.
05:16So, in response to the email, I said,
05:18okay, let's meet.
05:20So, he set the venue.
05:23It was a meeting room of Serena Hotel.
05:25We went there to meet him.
05:27The meeting was scheduled for 3 o'clock.
05:30So, the program started at 3 o'clock.
05:34And when we met,
05:36I felt from this program that
05:38it was a conversational meeting.
05:40He wanted to get some input.
05:42He wanted to get some input.
05:44When he went there first,
05:50he said that he has stated his goal.
05:52We have come to Pakistan.
05:54So, the program of the IMF,
05:56especially when he met the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
06:01he wanted to see the judicial system.
06:05How is the judicial system working in Pakistan?
06:08Right.
06:09And with this,
06:11when the conversation started,
06:13he stated his goal.
06:14Then he said,
06:15since we have come,
06:16the independent institution,
06:18your opinion can be a little positive.
06:20So, he wanted to get input from that.
06:22What was the focus of the meeting?
06:24What was the focus of the meeting?
06:26Because these meetings don't happen before.
06:28What special thing did he come to ask?
06:30This was the first meeting.
06:32This was the first time in the history of Pakistan
06:34that he contacted the Bar.
06:36So, regarding the Bar,
06:44Okay, Shibaz, we are going.
06:46Let's fix his voice.
06:47There is an internet issue in between.
06:49He is saying that
06:50there was an email on the last minute yesterday.
06:52Was this not scheduled?
06:53Or was it on the first agenda?
06:56Yes, in the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful.
06:58Thank you very much, Ms. Maria.
07:00As far as I know,
07:02this meeting of the Supreme Court Bar Association
07:04was not scheduled.
07:06This was not part of the agenda
07:08before the mission came to Pakistan.
07:10This means that
07:11two things become clear in this.
07:13One is that
07:14the meeting of 11th February
07:16with the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
07:18after that,
07:20he was not completely satisfied.
07:22This is the reason that he thought
07:24that an independent view
07:26should be taken on this.
07:28But,
07:30overall,
07:32I am a little surprised.
07:34As a Pakistani,
07:36we should think
07:38that why are we giving so much access
07:40to international financial institutions
07:42in those matters
07:44which are not their business.
07:46Governance, anti-corruption,
07:48money laundering,
07:50this regime came in 2018.
07:52The sorts you just heard,
07:54the Law Minister is also defending it.
07:56The Defense Minister of Pakistan
07:58is also defending it.
08:00A financial institution
08:02with such legal matters
08:04and going to such a micro level
08:06and allowing it to deal
08:08is becoming very surprising.
08:10If we talk about the rule of law,
08:12if we talk about governance,
08:14the Ministry of Law and Justice
08:16is sitting there.
08:18If we meet the Secretary,
08:20the Minister, the Law Minister,
08:22then we can understand.
08:24Now the question arises
08:26that such an institution
08:28whose specialization
08:30is to save the countries
08:32from Diwali,
08:34what does it want to achieve
08:36with the Chief Justice of Pakistan
08:38and the Supreme Court of Pakistan?
08:40Why are we allowing them
08:42to do this?
08:44Mr. Rauh wants to answer this.
08:46Mr. Shabaz, let's listen to Mr. Rauh
08:48and then I will come back to you.
08:50Yes, Mr. Rauh.
08:52Before this, I had
08:54consulted with the Secretary
08:56of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
08:58whether we should meet or not.
09:00I called him 2-3 times
09:02but he did not respond.
09:04He said, this is related to finance
09:06and we cannot tell you about it.
09:08I have fulfilled my moral responsibility
09:10to meet the Secretary
09:12of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
09:14If he says we will meet,
09:16if not, we will not meet.
09:18But he did not respond.
09:20Anyway, we went there
09:22for the benefit of our state.
09:24We gave him input.
09:26What was the focus, Mr. Rauh?
09:28The focus was on corruption,
09:30bad governance,
09:32judicial reform,
09:34judicial system work,
09:36property rights,
09:38so that the forum
09:40and judicial system
09:42can work properly
09:44and quickly.
09:46It takes time
09:48and the cases are more
09:50pending.
09:52The focus was on all these things.
09:54Okay.
09:56If he is taking
09:58your input on this,
10:00did he mention
10:02any previous complaints
10:04about the need for input?
10:06Did he tell you the purpose
10:08of this meeting?
10:10I have guessed
10:12what I have done there.
10:14I think Pakistan
10:16is quite
10:18bankrupt now.
10:20IMF is trying to
10:22recover its installment.
10:24If it does not recover,
10:26it will be difficult
10:28to recover our installment.
10:30If a new investor wants to
10:32come to Pakistan,
10:34they should first
10:36look at the judicial system
10:38and then invest.
10:40If there are any
10:42disputes or contractual
10:44obligations,
10:46they should be enforced.
10:48I think he was taking
10:50my input on this.
10:52He gave his opinion.
10:54He said that
10:56if there is an issue
10:58at the Supreme Court
11:00or High Court level,
11:02if there is an allegation
11:04of corruption,
11:06we should consult
11:08the Supreme Court,
11:10the judges of Pakistan
11:12and the High Court.
11:14So, it was a consultation
11:16process.
11:18Mr. Shahbaz,
11:20what are the stages
11:22of the review?
11:24I think it will end on 14th.
11:26Correct me if I am wrong.
11:28When will the report come?
11:30What will happen next?
11:34I would like to appreciate
11:36the foreign president.
11:38He tried to get
11:40permission from the foreign office.
11:42This is the right thing to do.
11:44This is the way
11:46the countries and institutions work.
11:48As far as the report is concerned,
11:50it is another thing that
11:52our governments are giving
11:54access to the institutions.
11:56As far as the report is concerned,
11:58it seems to be a very
12:00informative and simple mission.
12:02There is an impression that
12:04they have come to do scoping.
12:06They are making their assessment.
12:08On the basis of this assessment,
12:10this mission will come to Pakistan
12:12again in April.
12:14This will be a bigger mission.
12:16Then they will give their recommendations.
12:18The report will come in July.
12:20I have received an information
12:22that the deadline may be extended.
12:24When the report comes in July-August,
12:26the recommendations of the report
12:28will determine
12:30the course of action.
12:32If something serious happens,
12:34as I told you in the previous program,
12:36then the $700 million program
12:38can be part of it under a new condition.
12:40The dossier given by
12:42Mr. Terry,
12:44should I ask you a question before leaving?
12:46I endorse what he said.
12:48One of the member
12:50delegations said
12:52that we are expecting
12:54Mr. Terry to come back.
12:56This is what he said.
12:58Before leaving,
13:00the last question.
13:02The dossier given by Mr. Terry,
13:04will it have any effect?
13:06Will it be considered?
13:08As a procedural,
13:10will it not make a difference?
13:14Ms. Maria,
13:16there is nothing between you and me.
13:18The law minister has said
13:20in the floor of the House
13:22that the IMF meeting
13:24was held with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
13:26There are PTI letters behind it.
13:28This statement,
13:30which was quite astonishing for me,
13:32the government's own statement
13:34that this is an ordinary visit,
13:36usually meetings are held,
13:38it should not be given so much attention,
13:40the law minister himself ended this.
13:42Thank you very much, Mr. Shahbaz Rana,
13:44Mr. Rauf Fattah,
13:46who was present with us.
13:48We were talking about the deep interest
13:50of the PM's visit to Pakistan.
13:52We will go to the break.
13:54When we come back,
13:56we will look at this matter politically.
13:58Stay with us.
14:00Welcome back.
14:02This week there was a lot of commotion.
14:04If we look at it,
14:06the IMF's deputy came to Pakistan
14:08and is doing a very close scrutiny
14:10of various issues.
14:12Meetings are being held in the court
14:14with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
14:16The Supreme Court Bar Association
14:18will discuss this issue.
14:20If we look at it,
14:22the government is also backtracking
14:24a lot of its actions.
14:26For example, the practice and procedure bill
14:28which we saw very vigorously
14:30was amended in 2023.
14:32Now, we have also seen
14:34that a motion has been presented
14:36to withdraw it,
14:38which has been approved.
14:40We will also ask
14:42why there is a need
14:44to roll back it.
14:46We will also ask
14:48why there is a need
14:50to roll back it.
14:52We will also ask
14:54why there is a need
14:56to roll back it.
14:58We will also ask
15:00why there is a need
15:02to roll back it.
15:04We will also ask
15:06why there is a need
15:08to roll back it.
15:10We will also ask
15:12why there is a need
15:14to roll back it.
15:44We will also ask
15:46why there is a need
15:48to roll back it.
16:14We will also ask
16:16why there is a need
16:18to roll back it.
16:44We will also ask
16:46why there is a need
16:48to roll back it.
17:14Does it reflect well
17:16Does it reflect well
17:18in governance?
17:44Does it reflect well
17:46in governance?
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26:05Tariq Insan facilitated the government at that time.
26:12I think it is a good thing that they facilitated it at that time, but this is not an appropriate
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