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Music has evolved so much over the years that it's hard to reconcile today's sound to that of a few decades past. In this first episode of Rap, Rock and all that Jazz, our two hosts from very different generations, talk about the age gap in music.
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Music has evolved so much over the years that it's hard to reconcile today's sound to that of a few decades past. In this first episode of Rap, Rock and all that Jazz, our two hosts from very different generations, talk about the age gap in music.
#LoveOfMusic #AgeGap #NeilYoung
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00:00Hey everyone, this is Yusra Zaki and today I'm joined by Leslie Wilson.
00:09Hi Yusra.
00:10Hi Leslie.
00:11Hi.
00:12And we are basically two people who really love music and are just so different, you
00:17and me.
00:18Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
00:19So I'm a 28-year-old millennial who can only dance to rap music at a club.
00:25What about you?
00:26I'm 27.
00:27Come on.
00:28I'm going on 40-something.
00:29Okay, he's not 27.
00:30I'm going on 50.
00:31He's not.
00:32But listen, I'm a very good liar.
00:33So you're 50.
00:34Just be honest.
00:35But having said that, I mean, given my years of experience, I've been more fortunate than
00:39you, Yusra, to listen to music from the swinging 60s, 70s, 80s, through old, as the music evolved
00:49to its present state of rack and ruin, EDM.
00:53What's all that fuss about?
00:54Rack and ruin.
00:55Listen.
00:56What's all that fuss about?
00:57People love EDM, but I wouldn't call it racket.
01:02People love that.
01:03Yeah.
01:04They like jam to it at like concerts.
01:05These guys make millions.
01:07Yeah, I thought so.
01:09You know, I was in Germany in the mid-90s, and that's when techno really started to emerge.
01:15All the clubs were playing techno.
01:17EDM is a variation of techno.
01:20It all started with rave parties and stuff like that.
01:23Beats running around in your head, DJs spinning those discs, running around.
01:27So I think EDM has evolved.
01:29It's got more tuneful than rave was.
01:33It's more tuneful.
01:34It's a lot more tuneful.
01:35Because techno is just like a beat that, and you're just like, stop.
01:38But let me tell you, a lot of EDM DJs right now sample stuff from the past.
01:46Stomp everything but the girl.
01:48Bands like that, they sample a lot of old stuff.
01:52I kind of believe that all the best music happened in the past.
01:56The best movies, the best literature, and so the music as well.
02:00I don't know.
02:02When I listen to the best music that happened in the past, I feel like it's so dated.
02:09The love songs are lame-ish.
02:13You can just hear it.
02:14It has an 80s sound to it, and you're like, no.
02:18But isn't classic music cool?
02:20Isn't it cool?
02:21We're not talking Beethoven or Mozart.
02:24We're talking about rock and roll.
02:26Where did it come from?
02:28Bill Haley and the Comets, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley.
02:32I don't think how many young people out there really know and value the core values of music
02:37because it all started, it had its roots.
02:40They weren't dinosaurs.
02:41They were creators.
02:42They weren't what?
02:44They weren't dinosaurs.
02:45A lot of people think, oh, music, oh, they're dinosaurs.
02:49No, I think they're the pioneers.
02:51They laid down the platform, the soul singers, the protest singers.
02:56You asked me earlier, Ursula, what kind of genre I like.
02:59Essentially, I like singer-songwriters.
03:02I'm sure all you kids out there, the first thing you think of is Ed Sheeran.
03:05He's brilliant.
03:06He's a singer-songwriter, I guess.
03:07He's a singer-songwriter.
03:08There are not too many like him out there, but I can name 100 people right now.
03:14We don't have the time for that, but I'm going to tell you about Neil Young, Bob Dylan.
03:20The old guys.
03:21These are people.
03:22We're still listening to these guys 40 years later.
03:25I don't want to sound ignorant.
03:28Are they still alive?
03:29Of course they are.
03:30Okay, just checking.
03:31More than them being alive, their music is alive, Ursula.
03:35Their music is very much alive, and I encourage young people.
03:39I'm not an agent for Bob Dylan.
03:41I'm not an agent for Neil Young, but I'm encouraging young people who listen to EDM, who listen
03:46to hip-hop, to delve into the past.
03:50Go deep into your soul.
03:51Give it a chance.
03:52Give it a chance.
03:53Give it a listen to.
03:54I mean, we all know about Oscar Wilde.
03:56You don't have to go back and read Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde to be literary or something,
04:00but it's nice to go back into the past.
04:02Go back into a time machine.
04:04Yeah, I mean, look.
04:08There are occasional moments where I will appreciate the old stuff, and maybe I'll listen
04:12to it one time or search it on my Spotify, but realistically speaking, if I'm going to
04:17be like, I want to listen to what I want to listen to right now, no one else is judging
04:22me on my music taste.
04:23You should never be judged on what music, yeah.
04:25People judge on music taste.
04:27I'm sure-
04:28Yeah, that's unfair.
04:29I totally agree with you.
04:30There's this one song by the Jonas Brothers that I really enjoy listening to, and I will
04:34only listen to it in the privacy of my own car because I would never want people to know
04:39that I listen to the Jonas Brothers.
04:40No, it's nice to connect with songs.
04:42I mean, that's what the bands want to do.
04:43They want to connect with you, and I think you just paid a big tribute to a lovely band,
04:48the Jonas Brothers.
04:49Look at them.
04:50They grew up as a kid band, and now they're matured.
04:52They're both-
04:53Wow, yeah.
04:54So there's nothing wrong with that, I mean.
04:57That's true.
04:58I mean, of course, you shouldn't be ashamed of what you listen to unless you listen to
05:02Taylor Swift, but like, you know.
05:05I don't listen to Taylor Swift, by the way.
05:07But I look at Taylor Swift.
05:08No.
05:10No, she's alright.
05:11She's cute, a bit too tall, but yeah.
05:14Oh my God.
05:15Her music's not bad.
05:16Not bad.
05:17Not bad at all.
05:18Swiftly on.
05:19Look, she-
05:20Okay, here's the thing about Taylor Swift.
05:22She knows how to tug on the heartstrings of tweens, and she like, all her melodies are
05:29so poppy in a way that when people love it, they become addicted to it, but it's just
05:34so shallow, you know?
05:36Like, it doesn't-
05:37Yeah.
05:38Do you know what I mean?
05:39Absolutely, yeah.
05:40I don't hate on her.
05:41No?
05:42No, I agree with you.
05:43But I do kind of, I don't mind.
05:44I mean, I would like to have seen how Taylor Swift would have had the impact she's had
05:47without MTV.
05:48MTV, you've got great videos, lavish videos, probably pioneered by the great Michael Jackson.
05:55Yeah.
05:56His Beat It and all these great videos.
05:58That's MTV generation.
05:59Question.
06:00Yeah.
06:01Is there music still on MTV these days?
06:02I don't really ever-
06:03You get the playlists, I would imagine, where you can still listen to some of the oldies.
06:07Oh.
06:08Yeah, the good times.
06:09Michael Jackson is probably the most listened to artist even now, even after he's been dead
06:15so many years.
06:16I mean-
06:17Yeah.
06:18He's very popular.
06:19Because he had so much electricity in him, you know?
06:20He had so much, he sang ballads, he sang rock.
06:23He knew-
06:24No, he definitely knew.
06:25Guns N' Roses, Slash.
06:26Slash loved to play with Michael Jackson.
06:28Oh, really?
06:29Yeah.
06:30I don't know any of that.
06:31Guns N' Roses, sweet child of mine.
06:32I mean, I'm aware of Guns N' Roses.
06:34And they came to Dubai, and I was like, nah, okay.
06:39They were one time the hottest, sexiest, most rocking rock band of all time, Axl Rose, Slash.
06:47These are-
06:48I heard he's like-
06:49I'm going to lend you some of my music, Yusra.
06:52Do you have Spotify?
06:53No, but it's lovely to hold a CD.
06:54CDs?
06:55Oh, no.
06:56I'm sorry.
06:57Lovely to hold a CD in your hand.
06:58Look at all the sleeve notes.
06:59Listen, I don't even, my laptop doesn't even take CDs.
07:02I can't.
07:03Nothing better than CDs are vinyl.
07:05My God.
07:06I actually once bought a vinyl for 50 cents from like a street in Toronto just to use
07:12as decoration because I don't like, I felt so retro.
07:16I would love to see a Rihanna or Ned Sheeran vinyl record because the sleeve notes in vinyl
07:22are incomparable.
07:23So what's a sleeve note?
07:24The sleeve notes, you get people to write like a book you're launching and writing a
07:28new book.
07:29You get people to comment on it.
07:30Great reads.
07:31Says the New York Times.
07:32Yeah.
07:33That's why it's called a sleeve.
07:34And in the 70s and 80s, they were a big thing.
07:38You know, iconic covers came out of there.
07:40Roxy Music, you know, band.
07:42The guy was strutting his stuff always on his covers.
07:45You know, things like that, you know, they, yeah, I know, I know, I know we are from two
07:49different generations, but I think there's nothing wrong with present day music as long
07:55as you don't take it too seriously.
07:57It's not meant to be taken seriously.
07:59This is fun music.
08:00K-pop.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Look at those crazy kids from South Korea.
08:04What is that?
08:05I don't get that obsession either.
08:07Blame it on Gangnam Style.
08:12He started it all.
08:13I was waiting.
08:14So he started it all.
08:15He started the craze.
08:16The Gangnam Style.
08:17Sorry, the microphone doesn't allow me to do that.
08:18You like did like, I was like, it's this.
08:19Gangnam Style.
08:20Yeah.
08:21But I mean, these, these kids are crazy.
08:23Look at the, look at the clothes they wear, outlandish.
08:26This is the future.
08:27I would, I would say it's going to get even more bizarre from now.
08:31I mean, it's really.
08:32Because it's already so bizarre.
08:33There was an era, Yusra, in the 70s where the music was called glam rock.
08:39Everybody painted stars on their face.
08:40Can you give me an example?
08:41A guy called Mark Bolin in T-Rex.
08:44He was the sexiest man on the earth.
08:46Oh really?
08:47You talk about Adam Levine now.
08:48Yeah.
08:49Mark Bolin was massive.
08:50Absolutely massive.
08:51He wrote songs like Hot Love, Get It On.
08:54I'm sorry, I don't have my guitar, so I could have sung a few notes from those, but yeah,
08:57it was glam rock.
08:58You know, there were different bands out there, Slade, Bay City Rollers.
09:03I don't know any of them.
09:05If you go and you, you probably go and find it in a best of 70s collection.
09:09Maybe.
09:10So maybe to get.
09:11Yeah.
09:12But having said that, yeah, I know vinyl is so special to me.
09:16I still own about a hundred rare discs.
09:20You know, I used to walk around with a vinyl record under my arm, feeling so proud in school
09:26that wow, he had Wishbone Ash.
09:29That's another band from the past, by the way.
09:30I don't know them either.
09:31Keep going.
09:32So maybe now Wishbone Ash, Ed Sheeran on one side.
09:34And I think what I like about present day music and also dislike it is the way technology
09:41has advanced.
09:42Okay.
09:43People can do things with their voices.
09:45You got sound voice modulators.
09:46Autotune.
09:47You can, yeah, you can do all that.
09:48You can do fantastic stuff.
09:50But the real test comes when you're performing live.
09:52But even then you can doctor the mics.
09:54You can do things like that.
09:55Really?
09:56I mean, how many people in the past had this opportunity?
09:59They would just, you know, play with the tone controls to get a nasal sound or anything
10:03like that.
10:04But nowadays they have all the tools in the studio to make your, refine your voice, make
10:09your voice sound even more husky than it is, which is a kind of a good thing.
10:14I keep saying a good thing because music is a good thing.
10:17But then it's also a bad thing because then you need less talent to succeed, correct?
10:22That's absolutely true.
10:23I mean, look at Britney Spears.
10:25Let's not, I've got nothing against Britney Spears, but she made an album which had a
10:30song called Oops, I Did It Again.
10:33And it was cheesy, cheesy, cheesy to me.
10:38But Britney Spears outsold the Beatles.
10:41Look at that.
10:42Yeah.
10:43But the poor chaps, the Beatles, they just didn't have the reach.
10:47Because there was no MTV, there was no YouTube in those days.
10:52So it's, you can't compare the two generations.
10:54You couldn't compare the generations of boxers to today, football players of past, Pele with
10:59Messi.
11:00It's a different kettle of fish.
11:02So same with music, I would imagine.
11:05But we're not here to critique either the peasant or the past.
11:08We're here to discuss the best part of music and, you know, what it can do to your life.
11:14Okay.
11:15So just to end this episode, one song that you would recommend for me and then I'll recommend
11:20one song for you.
11:21Yeah.
11:22What would it be?
11:23From the top of my head, I'd ask you to listen to Neil Young's Out on a Weekend.
11:27Okay.
11:28I could pick a hundred songs, Stairway to Heaven.
11:31Okay.
11:32Yeah.
11:33Let me do Out on a Weekend.
11:34What would I give you?
11:36Oh, okay.
11:38So my favorite artist is, my favorite artist is this Canadian guy called The Weeknd.
11:44Yes.
11:45Do you know him?
11:46Of course.
11:47He has really good songs.
11:51Listen to Lonely Star by The Weeknd.
11:52That's a good one.
11:53Because that's like, oh, you cannot define that genre.
11:56Yeah.
11:57I would like if you could define that genre.
11:59I think I've heard that song and I'll tell you where I heard it.
12:02When he sang at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
12:05There you go.
12:06So see, you are on the pulse of things.
12:08Well done, Leslie.
12:09Yeah.
12:10You've got to.
12:11You've got to stay on top of it.
12:12Otherwise, you'll be irrelevant these days, won't you?
12:14Yeah.
12:15You've got to stay.
12:16I think I'll be like Bob Dylan said, forever young when it comes to music.
12:19Wow.
12:20That was very poetic.
12:21We'll end on that then.
12:22Thank you, Yusra.
12:23Thank you, everybody.
12:24Thank you, guys.
12:25I hope you had fun.
12:26And keep watching the show.
12:27We're going to try and bring you a lot more debates about music, discussions.
12:31Yeah, exciting stuff.
12:32Yeah.
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12:44Thanks, everybody.
12:45Till then, have fun with Rihanna and Bob Dylan.
12:49Bye.
12:50Bye.