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- Junaid Akbar Khan PTI
- Dr Adil Najam
"It is possible that the establishment wants my relationship with Ali Amin Gandapur to not improve."
If everything is fine in KP, then why has a committee been formed for corruption?
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- Junaid Akbar Khan PTI
- Dr Adil Najam
"It is possible that the establishment wants my relationship with Ali Amin Gandapur to not improve."
If everything is fine in KP, then why has a committee been formed for corruption?
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16PTI's politics is of one person, Imran Khan, but after him, it was of Ali Ameen Gaddafur
00:24who was the Prime Minister of Punjab, and a few days before that, he was the Prime Minister of Punjab.
00:30Why was he so important, and when he was removed from office, there were protests everywhere.
00:36Provincial Presidents keep changing, so why was it such a big issue?
00:39It was made because PTI's political system, the most important role in it is KP's.
00:45Because in Punjab, there is strictness, everything is there, leaders on the run, everything is there.
00:50So whatever heat there is, be it October, be it the November incident, be it the D-Chowk protest,
00:59KP is the one who leads it.
01:01And now, PTI's protest movement is going into a new phase.
01:05Two days later, on 8th February, they are saying that they will hold a big Jalsa in Swabi.
01:11And after that, there are talks that if things don't get better,
01:14then maybe the roads will be closed, the sea-pack roads will be closed,
01:17the roads to Afghanistan will be closed, and you name it.
01:20So there is a lot of protest going on.
01:22This is why it is very important that today we are analysing what is happening in KP's politics.
01:27The change that happened, why it happened, how it happened.
01:30And people are saying that the administration has changed, and on top of that, everyone is saying good things.
01:34Mr. Gaddafur is saying that there is no problem at all, Junaid Akbar has become the President,
01:38he will have a lot of cooperation, everything will happen.
01:41But as we speak, today, notifications are being issued in almost every court of the KP government,
01:49in which it is being said that if a government employee goes to a political rally or Jalsa,
01:55then there will be proceedings against him.
01:57Although, KP's next Jalsa is his own party's Jalsa.
02:01So clearly, this rift between Junaid Akbar and Ali Amin Ghindapur has not ended in any way,
02:08but it is increasing.
02:10If you start playing the game of making your own Jalsa unsuccessful, then what more evidence do you need?
02:15There are a lot of questions, what is happening, what is not happening, how will it be discussed in the future,
02:18so Junaid Akbar has joined us.
02:20Thank you very much.
02:22First of all, tell me, are your relations with Ghindapur sir strong?
02:25Because if they are strong, then this rally at this time,
02:29and you cannot stop anyone from going to a Jalsa on a regular basis.
02:32It is understood that there will be no use of any government things,
02:37you will not misuse the government,
02:41but by going to a Jalsa, you are stopping your own people.
02:44Because everyone is saying that this Jalsa is your first test,
02:48that Junaid Khan has failed, that Junaid Khan will continue.
02:51So how do you see the orders that have come out today?
02:55In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful. Thank you very much.
02:58I have also received a lot of things,
03:01but I have been in contact with the Promised Messiah a lot of times today,
03:06on various things, so I do not doubt it,
03:09and let me tell you that Mr. Ali Amin, or me, or Tehfan, or XYZ,
03:13There is no need for intention, it has come out now.
03:17We do not have our own position on whether we will succeed or fail at the Jalsa.
03:22People are connected to Mr. Imran Khan,
03:24and if people come, they will not come for me,
03:26they will come for Mr. Imran Khan.
03:28If people want to come, Mr. Ali Amin cannot stop them,
03:31nor can I stop XYZ, there is nothing like that.
03:33The second thing is that I will talk to Mr. Ali Amin about it.
03:37It may not be in his notice,
03:39it may be that the Chief Secretary himself has written it.
03:43Yes, this is a strange thing.
03:45This kind of notice has never happened before.
03:47This is also something to think about.
03:49Why did this happen?
03:51Did someone come in between to spoil my relationship with Mr. Ali Amin?
03:55Today, for the first time,
03:57the one to whom I had given the tender,
03:59the one who was responsible for organising the Jalsa,
04:03last night there was a raid at his house.
04:05Are they the people from Wali Sons?
04:07Yes, Wali Sons.
04:09Wali Sons' wife was kidnapped.
04:11He was also very worried today.
04:13This has happened in Punjab.
04:15This has happened in Punjab,
04:17but this is the first time this has happened.
04:19We used to hold Jalsas before,
04:21so it is possible that some people do not want Mr. Ali Amin and I to be on the same page.
04:24But I want to tell them that if we are on the same page
04:26or not,
04:28the people who are connected to Mr. Imran Khan,
04:30whatever order you give,
04:32God willing, people will come out.
04:34Okay, I understand.
04:36You are not allowed to meet Mr. Khan.
04:38And Mr. Jagda, I had heard,
04:40he is being given responsibilities.
04:42He is not allowed to meet him.
04:44Mishal Yusufzai is not allowed to meet him.
04:46But the other group,
04:48they are allowed to meet Mr. Khan.
04:50The rest are not allowed to meet.
04:52But Mr. Imran Khan is the status broker of Punjab
04:54and you could not make a place.
04:56No, I don't think this will happen.
04:58And the position of Mr. Gandapur
05:00is because of Mr. Imran Khan.
05:02For that, my going or coming does not matter.
05:04If Mr. Khan says from there
05:06that I want to change Mr. Gandapur,
05:08then I don't think
05:10it will be possible for him to stay.
05:12So whatever decision Mr. Khan has to make,
05:14it is not by meeting us or meeting us.
05:16Yes, these things are strange
05:18that some were allowed to meet,
05:20some were not allowed to meet.
05:22But it is also possible
05:24that the establishment wants
05:26that there should be friendship between us
05:28and we should be dependent on each other.
05:30It is also possible that the establishment
05:32wants that Mr. Gandapur should lead
05:34if there is going to be any discussion tomorrow.
05:36You came in between and spoiled the matter a little.
05:38No, I can also say that
05:40with someone,
05:42people's understanding is more,
05:44it is easier for someone.
05:46Even after 9th May,
05:48Mr. Khan was very strict.
05:50But no one contacted me.
05:52I am asking because
05:54yesterday or the day before yesterday
05:56when you were giving a speech,
05:58you gave a very clear warning
06:00to the new IG of KP
06:02that if any of our people are caught,
06:04we will go to the police station
06:06and if there is a warrant,
06:08we will go to the IG's office.
06:10Today, Mr. Khan's statement came
06:12in which he said that
06:14the IG and the Chief Secretary
06:16that we have named,
06:18these three names have been thrown
06:20into the trash bin through their pocket laws
06:22and the IG of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
06:24has been given.
06:26On 3rd February, the Minister
06:28was talking to the journalists
06:30and he gave a lot of praise.
06:32He said that the new IG is a very professional
06:34and capable officer.
06:36He has played an important role
06:38in controlling terrorism in Punjab.
06:40It is expected that he will also
06:42establish peace in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
06:44Mr. Khan is not comfortable
06:46with the new IG.
06:48Mr. Ali Ameen is praising him.
06:50Who should we trust?
06:52Mr. Ali Ameen has given us
06:54a lot of hope
06:56that he will not become
06:58a political IG.
07:00We also pray for him
07:02that Allah gives him the strength
07:04to focus on the situation
07:06of the previous IG
07:08and give us hope.
07:10Whatever you said,
07:12Mr. Khan has sent me
07:14the same message
07:16that if a worker
07:18is caught
07:20in a political case
07:22then should he be
07:24arrested?
07:26If everything is going
07:28so well,
07:30then why is there
07:32a committee
07:34to investigate corruption?
07:36I know that there are
07:38two ministers who have
07:40been appointed
07:42and they might change.
07:44You said that there will
07:46be some changes in the committee.
07:48Are there any changes?
07:50Who will be recommended?
07:52Are you recommending?
07:54Mr. Khan is recommending himself.
07:56He is taking information
07:58from different channels.
08:00I will not say that I am
08:02accusing the government.
08:04I have already said this
08:06in a program that when
08:08a person is caught
08:10in a political case
08:12then he is seen.
08:14If someone else is caught
08:16then he is not seen.
08:18We have a small corruption
08:20within the party.
08:22You may not have heard
08:24that in Punjab
08:26the people of Noon
08:28have said that
08:30in Sindh everyone knows
08:32what is not happening.
08:34Is there corruption in KP?
08:36I have already said
08:38that there is corruption here.
08:40Doesn't a person get worried
08:42when he is caught?
08:44No, even a small person
08:46gets worried.
08:48If we have made so many sacrifices
08:50and spent so much money
08:52then it is not because
08:54we wanted to come
08:56to the parliament.
08:58I have dedicated 26 years
09:00of my life to politics.
09:02If we do the same things
09:04then we will do it.
09:06You have made
09:08a very interesting statement
09:10that if Mr. Khan was
09:12upset with Ali Amin
09:14then he would have
09:16removed him from the ministry.
09:18He would have removed him
09:20from the ministry.
09:22But
09:24when he was removed
09:26from the ministry
09:28he told you a month and a half
09:30ago that he did not
09:32talk to Ali Amin.
09:34Even you did not
09:36talk to him.
09:38If your relationship
09:40with him was normal
09:42then it is normal
09:44for a person to talk
09:46to the president of his party.
09:48Did you mention anything
09:50to Ali Amin?
09:52No, I will not hide anything.
09:54My relationship with Ali Amin
09:56was severed.
09:58For the first time
10:00I did not sit with him.
10:02I did not sit with him.
10:04I have not gone to the
10:06chief minister's house
10:08since the government was
10:10formed.
10:12I did not go to the
10:14chief minister's house.
10:16I did not have any
10:18relationship with him.
10:20I told my friends
10:22that Mr. Khan
10:24has sent this message
10:26and I am not prepared
10:28to go to the chief minister's
10:30house.
10:32If there was so much
10:34controversy
10:36that you did not
10:38have any relationship
10:40with him
10:42and the party was
10:44in such a bad condition
10:46that you did not
10:48have any relationship
10:50with him
10:52and the party was
10:54in such a bad condition
10:56that you did not
10:58have any relationship
11:00with his son.
11:02This is not good.
11:04This is not good.
11:06I swear that
11:08I did not
11:10converted after
11:12the government
11:14that this party
11:16will fall in the
11:18hands of the village
11:20community government
11:22without any
11:24but I felt that the CM should not have done this, that he used his own money, that I denunciated him,
11:34that he used his own money, that I denunciated him, that he used his own money,
11:36that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:38that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:40that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:42that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:44that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:46that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:48that he used his own money, that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:50that he used his own money, that he used his own money,
11:52that he used his own money,
11:54that he used his own money,
11:56that he used his own money,
11:58that he used his own money,
12:00that he used his own money,
12:02that he used his own money,
12:04that he used his own money,
12:06that he used his own money,
12:08that he used his own money,
12:10that he used his own money,
12:12that he used his own money,
12:14that he used his own money,
12:16that he used his own money,
12:18that he used his own money,
12:20that he used his own money,
12:22that he used his own money,
12:24that he used his own money,
12:26that he used his own money,
12:28that he used his own money,
12:30that he used his own money,
12:32that he used his own money,
12:34that he used his own money,
12:36that he used his own money,
12:38that he used his own money,
12:40that he used his own money,
12:42that he used his own money,
12:44that he used his own money,
12:46Mr. Khan has said that…
12:48Mr. Khan has informed me…
12:50I haven't confirmed it with Mr. Gover,
12:52I would have confirmed it,
12:54but my information is that
12:56Mr. Gover has been told that
12:58whichever party wants to keep a position,
13:00keep it, whichever ministry wants to keep position,
13:02keep the ministry.
13:04I am unable to understand,
13:06that the entire basis of PTI
13:08lies with KP's party.
13:10Here is your power,
13:12here is your government,
13:14The Chief Minister does not come to you.
13:16You have a formal conversation with Gaur Khan.
13:19He is the President of the party.
13:21The President of the party, the province,
13:23the province is the most important for you.
13:25He does not have a deep relationship with the Party President.
13:28Nor does he have a deep relationship with the Chief Minister.
13:32In fact, there is hostility.
13:33Forget the relationship, there is a fight.
13:35Then how will the work go on?
13:37How will you protest against the government
13:39when there is no connection between you and there are so many differences?
13:43Actually, when I sat with the Chief Minister that day,
13:46he thought it was appropriate
13:48that we keep our differences aside for the party.
13:51We have to move forward together.
13:53So, there is no connection yet.
13:55I am talking about the connection.
13:57I can see that there is a connection.
13:59Because the notifications that came out today,
14:01after that, there is definitely a connection.
14:03What did he say to you?
14:06They both contacted each other.
14:08There was no third person in between.
14:10He came to us,
14:12we sat together.
14:14The Chief Minister said the same thing.
14:16I said,
14:18when there is reconciliation,
14:20it happens at the third place.
14:22After that, I did not have any issue.
14:24You said, I do not want to go to the Chief Minister's house.
14:26I said, the Chief Minister is not coming to your house.
14:28So, you will meet at the third place.
14:30I said, when there is reconciliation,
14:32it happens at the third place.
14:34He agreed that you are right.
14:36We both sat there.
14:38When he came, he hugged me.
14:40I said, okay, there will be some misunderstandings.
14:42We will forgive each other.
14:44We will continue.
14:46Because our goal is the party.
14:48We have other differences.
14:50We have a lot of differences.
14:52Now, you have come to a very critical position.
14:54Did Gauhar Khan and the Chief Minister
14:56brief you
14:58as to what they discussed
15:00and what they did not?
15:02Did they trust you?
15:04Because whatever is to be protested or not,
15:06whatever party policy is to be formed,
15:08your decisions will be included.
15:10Do you have any idea
15:12what they are discussing?
15:14I was a part of the political committee.
15:16I have just been appointed.
15:18Since I became the President,
15:20I left the political committee
15:225-6 months ago.
15:24I was not a part of it.
15:26I took part in the protests.
15:28But I tried to fulfill
15:30the responsibilities given to me by the MNA.
15:32No one briefed me on this matter.
15:34I asked,
15:36I will follow the instructions
15:38given to me by Gauhar Khan.
15:40Are there any differences
15:42between Busha Bibi
15:44and the Chief Minister?
15:46No, I have no idea.
15:48I met Busha Bibi
15:50only once.
15:52That too,
15:54on the night of 29-25,
15:56when we were coming to D-Chowk.
15:58I met her only for 2-3 minutes.
16:00I did not have any connection
16:02with Ali Amin.
16:04I do not know
16:06if there is any connection
16:08between them.
16:10On the night of 25th November,
16:12when Bibi called you
16:14to D-Chowk,
16:16she asked you
16:18to come with her
16:20to D-Chowk.
16:22She was very angry
16:24with you.
16:26What did she say?
16:28She told me that
16:30she wanted to go ahead
16:32and meet Gauhar Khan.
16:34Everyone knew that
16:36Gauhar Khan was in Adiyana
16:38at that time.
16:40He used to convey
16:42his message to Gauhar Khan.
16:44She was not alone.
16:46She told me that
16:48she wanted to go with me
16:50to D-Chowk.
16:52I agreed.
16:54That was the only meeting
16:56I had with Bibi.
16:58We have heard that
17:00Gauhar Khan's wife
17:02used to go to D-Chowk
17:04to meet Gauhar Khan.
17:06But the main issue is
17:08that Gauhar Khan
17:10does not have
17:12a suitable candidate
17:14to meet Gauhar Khan.
17:16Is there any alternative
17:18to meet Gauhar Khan?
17:20Do you think
17:22that such a big decision
17:24will be made
17:26only by Gauhar Khan?
17:28Gauhar Khan is very close
17:30to Gauhar Khan.
17:32My last meeting
17:34with Gauhar Khan
17:36was 4-5 months ago.
17:38I met him
17:40for 2-3 minutes.
17:42He told me that
17:44I can't meet Gauhar Khan.
17:46I told him that
17:48I will order him
17:50to meet Gauhar Khan.
17:52Your group was
17:54completely against
17:56Gauhar Khan.
17:58If you were not
18:00against him
18:02and you would have
18:04removed him
18:06from the group
18:08then it would have
18:10not been possible
18:12to remove him
18:14and bring back
18:16his biggest opponent.
18:18I tweeted
18:20that I never
18:22spoke against him
18:24and he never spoke
18:26against me.
18:28Our relationship
18:30ended because of him.
18:32Our group was not
18:34the same.
18:36Atif Khan tweeted
18:38that he has been with me
18:40for 10 years.
18:42Atif Khan and Shahram
18:44were already
18:46convinced by Gandapur
18:48to give them
18:50tickets to the National
18:52Assembly.
18:54He did not even
18:56let them fight
18:58the elections.
19:00I was already
19:02in the National Assembly
19:04in 2013-2018.
19:06Your votes increased
19:08in all the elections.
19:10I was not in the
19:12National Assembly.
19:14Our relationship
19:16was very strong.
19:18I tweeted
19:20that I never
19:22spoke against him.
19:24Atif Khan tweeted
19:26that he has been with me
19:28for 10 years.
19:30Our group was not
19:32the same.
19:34Our relationship
19:36was very strong.
19:38Our group was not
19:40the same.
19:42Our group was not
19:44the same.
19:46Our group was not
19:48the same.
20:18we were also told that this name was finalized by Mr. Khan
20:26so on the same day I used to say that it is not possible for Mr. Khan
20:29that how can he finalize 1060 people alone
20:33so I went to Mr. Khan and told him that
20:35Mr. Khan, the list you have here
20:37Mr. Khan told me that he did not get any list
20:40I used to tell them that he brought the list
20:43that who recommended whom
20:45so he did not bring me and said that leave the court
20:48I know that when you go for a meeting
20:51you check everything
20:54so in the name of Mr. Khan he got the list
20:57so Mr. Khan, in fact Umar Ayyub was with me
21:02in that I had Mr. Hamid Zamzada
21:06Mr. Hamid Zamzada was there at that time
21:08Mr. Allama was sitting there
21:10when Khan said that I did not get any list
21:13so on the same day when I joined the court committee
21:16because of this reason I joined
21:18I said that brother, increase the circle
21:20which people go to Mr. Khan
21:22so that it is easy for him to decide
21:24so Mr. Khan said that I told Qadir
21:27to redact it in a court
21:30and he brought the list
21:32I do not even know who made it
21:34who is the MP
21:35Mr. Khan told me this
21:37now I do not know who made this decision
21:39how the list came, how it was finalized
21:41so this is a strange thing
21:43it should be that who recommended who
21:45so we were told that it is Mr. Khan's decision
21:48to give it or not
21:50Your Jalsa on 8th
21:53what is the number of people
21:56who will say that it is a successful Jalsa
21:5820,000, 40,000, 50,000, lakhs of people
22:01you must have thought of something, what is it?
22:03I will tell you today
22:05that it will be the biggest Jalsa in history
22:08I am telling you now
22:10the response of the people
22:12people think that
22:14there was this thought in the party
22:16that people may have got tired
22:18and the opposition may have got tired
22:20but all the districts I have visited
22:22all the people I have met in 10-12 days
22:24I have never seen such a great response
22:27since the party was formed
22:29I have never seen such a great response
22:31so this time Inshallah
22:33What will be your advice to Mr. Khan?
22:35Look, he has cancelled the requests
22:37of your commission
22:39the laws are being made
22:41the courts are being packed
22:43what happened in Islamabad High Court
22:45is in front of everyone
22:47the judges in the Supreme Court
22:49are also in front of you
22:51the Judicial Benches have also become great
22:53the same decisions will be made
22:55the same governmental judicial decisions
22:57will be seen
22:59so it is seen that
23:01this will go towards a protest
23:03you are also talking
23:05that we will close the roads of CPEC
23:07for this clash
23:09you have been using
23:11all the governmental machinery
23:13when you came here
23:15you used to be the chief minister
23:17the chief minister is not with you
23:19the party president is playing on both sides
23:21I think both sides are keeping their accounts equal
23:23how will you run the protest?
23:25and everything is depending on CPEC
23:27I don't need the means
23:29I don't need the means
23:31I need the blessings of Mr. Khan
23:33and the workers
23:35I am not sad about what Mr. Khan said
23:37because he is with me
23:39because of what Mr. Khan said
23:41I have Mr. Khan on my head
23:43so this is not a problem
23:45people will also come out
23:47without any regrets
23:49and for the first time
23:51Mr. CM worked hard
23:53and gave money to everyone
23:55for the first time
23:57I told everyone that
23:59no one will get money
24:01you contributed
24:03you gave to the youth
24:05you gave to the volunteers
24:07you gave your personal money
24:09you should ask Mr. CM
24:11how much he used to give
24:13at CPEC
24:15it is difficult to understand
24:17how he used to pay
24:19he is not rich
24:21we will see the tax returns
24:23tell me
24:25everyone is convinced
24:27that you don't have a lot of money
24:29so how will you run the protest?
24:31A Jalsa, a Jalus is worth crores of rupees, if it's not worth crores of rupees, then you can't even reach Islamabad.
24:36Sir, I have had three elections.
24:38Well, if I say so, you may not believe me, but I have asked a voter in Alkeh,
24:45I and Shakir Khan, we both, I have never in my life,
24:50it's not like I have earned my number in any protest.
24:53If I earn more than everyone, then God willing, I will remove all the KPs.
24:56Before and even today.
24:57But my voter, my worker is not with me.
25:00It's not that we don't have any investors.
25:02The problem in our area is that we don't have any business,
25:04nor do we have any property of people.
25:06But everyone contributes on their own.
25:08We have set up a village concert like this.
25:10What kind of a person are you?
25:12Should Mr. Khan openly run a protest movement?
25:16Or should this conversation continue?
25:19Sir, I have already said this,
25:22that I would like to find a solution through dialogue.
25:27Because, as I told you,
25:29Dialogue with whom?
25:31With the establishment and the government.
25:35You call them the government of Ardali.
25:37Yesterday, Mr. Khan said,
25:39that the army chief has written a letter,
25:41which says that the increase in the number of Khalees in the army and the people,
25:45is due to your actions.
25:46You should correct your actions.
25:48I am talking about both.
25:51You have heard his answer.
25:53We should sit with the political people,
25:57whether it is the opposition or the government,
25:59because we have to find a way out.
26:01The reason is that,
26:03from the very first day,
26:05we said that we will sit with those who have the power.
26:07But you said that you will not sit with the political people.
26:10We knew that this was an unauthorized government.
26:12This was the first government in history that was forced.
26:15Then we sat down.
26:17Our demand was that on 8th February,
26:19our mandate should be fulfilled.
26:21People used to tell us that if we talk about this,
26:23the government will not sit with us.
26:25That is right.
26:27So we took it on two conditions.
26:29We fulfilled the justification.
26:31But our demand was that...
26:33Tell me the last question.
26:35Mr. Gandapur's face is there,
26:37Gaur Khan's face is there.
26:39Mr. Khan is not allowed to meet you in jail.
26:42How will you deliver as party president?
26:45Inshallah.
26:47I know what Mr. Khan wants.
26:49Because I have spent all my life with him.
26:52Does Mr. Khan know what you want?
26:54I want what Mr. Khan wants.
26:56I want dialogue.
26:58I want there to be less distance between the government and the people.
27:01But I don't want anyone to forcefully ask us for our conditions.
27:05If anyone takes a step forward,
27:07we will run to him.
27:09But if anyone is in the misconception
27:11that they can forcefully ask for their conditions,
27:13they can't do that.
27:15But let me finish here.
27:17If you win a battle with the government later,
27:19you will know the difference.
27:21First win your battle with Mr. Gandapur.
27:23Only then will you know when you can win.
27:25The battle between me and Mr. Gandapur
27:27does not matter that much.
27:29Because there is Imran Khan
27:31and then there is the voter.
27:33There is no X, Y, Z in between.
27:35Whoever Imran Khan is with,
27:37the nation will be with him.
27:39If Imran Khan's hand is on Mr. Gandapur,
27:41the people will be with him.
27:43If Imran Khan's hand is on me,
27:45the people will be with me.
27:47You have seen the big names in PTI.
27:49When Imran Khan's hand is on Mr. Gandapur,
27:51the people will be with him.
27:53Mr. Parvez Khattak is trying very hard
27:55to become an advisor to the Ministry of Interior.
27:57He has met with Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
27:59He is trying to look at the KP issues.
28:01If this happens,
28:03will it make a difference in KP?
28:05What difference will it make in KP?
28:07Will it make a difference in KP?
28:09No, what difference will it make in KP?
28:11Won't there be more fights?
28:13No, we have become used to it.
28:15It doesn't matter to us
28:17if Mr. Parvez Khattak comes
28:19or whoever is with him.
28:21We are ready.
28:23The difficult thing is that
28:25when the FIR was filed against me,
28:27I was in the room and I felt cold.
28:29Then it became routine.
28:31I used to do this in politics.
28:33I never went to the police station.
28:35I used to go to the court to collect documents.
28:37I don't look at the court.
28:39Let's see if you look at the police station
28:41or not.
28:43That will be an interesting development.
28:45We hope that such a day does not come.
28:47Anyway, thank you very much for giving us time.
28:49Let's take a break.
28:51Dr. Adil Najam will come after the break.
28:53We will talk about what Trump is doing.
28:55We are not just talking about Ghaza.
28:57What are the implications for Pakistan?
28:59We will talk about this after the break.
29:05Welcome back to the show.
29:07In this segment, we will talk to Dr. Adil Najam.
29:09He is the Dean Emeritus and Professor
29:11at the School of Global Studies
29:13at Boston University.
29:15He is also the Head of LUMS
29:17and an Analyst in National Affairs.
29:19Assalam-o-Alaikum, Dr. Adil Najam.
29:21Assalam-o-Alaikum.
29:23Dr. Adil Najam, we are talking about Trump.
29:25We will talk about it later.
29:27Very quickly, tell me
29:29we used to hear a lot of noise
29:31from PTI America
29:33that if Trump comes,
29:35we don't know what will happen.
29:37Today, Shah Mahmood Qureshi
29:39who is a former Foreign Minister
29:41said to the media
29:43that people should not
29:45expect Trump for no reason.
29:47The space in which Trump is going
29:49and the priorities in Washington
29:51can Pakistan and Imran Khan
29:53surface anywhere?
29:57May God forbid.
29:59I am not talking about PTI.
30:01Whatever Trump touches,
30:03we talk about destroying it.
30:05He is such a friend
30:07that even if he is a friend,
30:09he is not a friend.
30:11We created this conversation
30:13ourselves.
30:15We ourselves made noise on it.
30:17We ourselves commented on it.
30:19We ourselves programmed it.
30:21I think we should move forward.
30:23As far as priorities are concerned,
30:25we are not even a small change.
30:27His mission is to destroy
30:29the international system.
30:31I am not saying this cynically.
30:33It is a mandate.
30:35I will destroy the tax system.
30:37I will destroy the financial system.
30:39I will destroy the government.
30:41I will destroy the aid.
30:43The second is to reorder
30:45the international system.
30:47I didn't know that
30:49his statements were coming
30:51on Gaza.
30:53You said an interesting sentence
30:55before the program.
30:57He is the President of the United States.
30:59I think he has complete confidence
31:01that he is the President of the world.
31:03When he says that he is the best
31:05in the world,
31:07I think he drinks his own Kool-Aid
31:09and believes that
31:11Trump and his allies
31:13are more dangerous
31:15than the people
31:17around him.
31:19Whether it is Elon Musk
31:21or his Secretary of Defense
31:23or any other Musk.
31:25I feel bad saying this
31:27but if you look at these people,
31:29they are dangerous people.
31:31They are all the progenitors
31:33of Twitter.
31:35They live in a strange silo
31:37where they talk to each other
31:39and believe what they say.
31:41When they say that Canada will
31:43become the 51st state,
31:45they are doing a favour to Canada.
31:47He actually believes.
31:49The things that are happening
31:51on Gaza,
31:53can he get away with this?
31:55I don't think he can get away with this
31:57but that does not matter.
31:59I don't think he will be able
32:01to do this.
32:03The grin you saw
32:05on Netanyahu's face,
32:07when two of the world's most dangerous
32:09people were talking to the press,
32:11one of them was convicted
32:13by the International Criminal Court.
32:15So basically,
32:17he is giving a vision.
32:19Whether he can do it or not,
32:21he has said very clearly
32:23what he believes.
32:25I think in this case,
32:27this is not just an open statement.
32:29What he has said is what he actually
32:31believes.
32:33In a way, to be fair to him,
32:35he always said that he will bring
32:37a final solution.
32:39Remove the Palestinians.
32:41There will be no Palestinians
32:43and there will be no Palestine.
32:45Tell me,
32:47from the perspective of Pakistan,
32:49he has shown his interest
32:51to return the armaments.
32:53His proactive
32:55and positive tools,
32:57USAID and others,
32:59are being shut down.
33:01There was a great article
33:03in the New York Times
33:05that he is not behaving like a great country,
33:07he is behaving like a big country.
33:09You are behaving like a big super power.
33:11What can be the implications
33:13for Pakistan
33:15of this attitude?
33:17He is also behaving
33:19like a wounded country.
33:21All the bullying
33:23and anger that we see,
33:25anger is always of a weak person.
33:27A person who has strength
33:29does not need anger,
33:31he just shows his eyes.
33:33Look at his rhetoric.
33:35His rhetoric is that
33:37we have been mistreated.
33:39That is why I will make him great.
33:41I am trying to be very serious here.
33:43In his mind,
33:45he is behaving like a country
33:47that has been mistreated by the world.
33:49Now the world has to pay them back,
33:51be it Canada or the EU.
33:53What is the relationship
33:55between Pakistan and the world?
33:57When we say,
33:59when elephants fight,
34:01stay away from them
34:03because you will die.
34:05What I was saying earlier
34:07was not partisan.
34:09If we do not stay on the radar,
34:11it is good.
34:13But when we shout,
34:15scream and jump,
34:17who will be affected?
34:19What can Pakistan do?
34:21There is no need to do much.
34:23We have our own problems.
34:25We have given the statement
34:27that we had to give.
34:29Which of our statements
34:31will change our policy?
34:33I think we should think
34:35like every country,
34:37that the problem that has arisen,
34:39the anarchy that has come,
34:41where will it fall
34:43and where can we shield ourselves?
34:45Be it trade,
34:47aid or international affairs,
34:49whatever was our assumption
34:51about America
34:53or someone else's assumption
34:55about America,
34:57now you cannot make a policy
34:59on that assumption.
35:01I had asked you
35:03about the first meetings
35:05of Marco Rubio
35:07with the Indian Foreign Secretary.
35:09The first 10 telephone calls
35:11were with Modi.
35:13It was a long conversation.
35:15We are counted in the China camp
35:17and the whole scene happens.
35:19So what can be the
35:21forest line for Pakistan?
35:23I would say again,
35:25it is good that they are
35:27talking to India.
35:29You will call me again next week
35:31because the next visit
35:33after Netanyahu will be of Modi.
35:35I think it is 13th February.
35:37Something like that.
35:39Now there will be something else.
35:41There will be a discussion.
35:43There will be a meter.
35:45There will be a statement.
35:47We will follow that.
35:49Again, I am not trying to be cute.
35:51I think Niwe Niwe is an actual strategy
35:53to stay off the radar.
35:55If that elephant
35:57has become completely wild,
35:59then the best thing
36:01is to get out of its way.
36:03The worst thing that can happen
36:05is that this wild elephant
36:07or whatever it is,
36:09should not come on your radar.
36:11You should not come
36:13on its radar.
36:15It can become a red flag.
36:17It can ask you something
36:19that you cannot answer
36:21about Afghanistan.
36:23It can be very likely
36:25that because I have
36:27power over you,
36:29I am going to push you
36:31to accept Israel first.
36:33Because he doesn't count us
36:35as consequential.
36:37What I am saying is that
36:39in every situation where
36:41we are on Trump's radar
36:43is a bad situation.
36:45I want to share
36:47a very interesting thing
36:49with you.
36:51A former army chief
36:53told me that when I was
36:55doing my farewell calls,
36:57I went to meet
36:59the president of UAE.
37:01I asked him
37:03for any piece of advice
37:05for Pakistan.
37:07Before that,
37:09he told me in English
37:11that don't be the last one
37:13to recognize Israel.
37:15Don't be the last one
37:17to recognize Israel.
37:19This is what the president
37:21of UAE,
37:23our former army chief,
37:25is saying.
37:27What will Pakistan do?
37:29If it comes from America,
37:31I think he will give a statement.
37:33The problem will be when it comes
37:35from UAE or Saudi Arabia.
37:37In a way, I think by overplaying
37:39his hands on Gaza,
37:41he has angered Saudi Arabia
37:43to give a statement
37:45at 4 p.m.
37:47The response from Saudi Arabia
37:49was at 3 or 4 p.m.
37:51So, in a way,
37:53before that,
37:55what we were waiting for
37:57was a statement
37:59from the president of UAE
38:01to push these countries
38:03that if Saudi Arabia
38:05or UAE agrees,
38:07how will you say
38:09that Arabs are asking
38:11for congratulations
38:13but you are the last one.
38:15In a way, I think
38:17that kind of politics
38:19has changed.
38:21I will tell you a story
38:23in English.
38:25The enemy of the ZAR,
38:27is there a prayer for the ZAR?
38:29Is there a prayer for the ZAR?
38:31Yes, there is a prayer.
38:33May God bless the ZAR
38:35and keep him far away from us.
38:37May God bless the ZAR
38:39and keep him far away from us.
38:41I think that with Trump
38:43and with America,
38:45America is not giving us a lift
38:47and is not giving us good news.
38:49Because right now,
38:51you do not know
38:53what will happen
38:55and what will happen.
38:57You are saying that
38:59Pakistan's foreign policy
39:01vis-a-vis America,
39:03should be very careful
39:05and tempered.
39:07Yes, at the moment,
39:09we pray that
39:11Mr. Chaudhary does some good
39:13and notices us.
39:15We are standing in the crowd.
39:17Our people will be there.
39:19Right now,
39:21we are in a pandemic.
39:23Dr. Adil Najam, thank you very much
39:25for a very candid analysis as always.
39:27Let's take a break.
39:33Welcome back to the show.
39:35I think we should end
39:37on what Dr. Adil Najam said.
39:39It is a very sensible thing.
39:41After Trump,
39:43it is clear that it is
39:45predictably unpredictable.
39:47Maybe it is time
39:49for Pakistan to move forward
39:51and instead of reacting to things,
39:53respond to them.
39:55Right now, there are pressures
39:57on Palestine and other issues.
39:59Our rightist groups will also talk.
40:01It is time to talk very carefully.
40:03When a person is not logical in the future,
40:05he will have to deal with
40:07smartness and not arguments.
40:09I take your leave.
40:11Allah Hafiz.