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Without a judicial commission, negotiations are over..." PTI's Blunt Message to Govt
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Memon from Top Stories, Muzakirat is waiting for the third
00:16session.
00:17Imran Khan has been introduced to the Muzakirati Committee.
00:20We will talk about this in the first segment of the program.
00:23After that, how will the Muzakirat result?
00:25Can we see the results of the Muzakirat?
00:28We will talk about this in the second segment of the program.
00:31In 2024, the number of women who have been killed in the name of honor is 392.
00:37But these are only reported cases.
00:39We will talk about this in the last segment of the program.
00:41Let's start with Imran Khan.
00:42We have met the Muzakirati Committee of Tehrik-e-Islam today.
00:45We have met after 10 days, after multiple requests.
00:49During this time, the government committee has raised its hands.
00:53They said that we have given a commitment, but we are not able to meet.
00:57Anyway, we met today.
00:59In what environment did we meet?
01:01What was decided in that meeting?
01:02What things were considered in the judicial commission?
01:05Hamid Reza Sahib came out and told the media about this.
01:09Listen.
01:10We met today.
01:12We will inform the other team that we are ready for the third round of negotiations.
01:18They will be intimated that you have done your work in the judicial commission.
01:25Because there has been no progress in the negotiations.
01:29If there is no judicial commission, then the negotiations will not go ahead.
01:34Our final date is 31st January, which is the cut-off date.
01:38Now the ball is in the court of the government to bring this negotiation to a logical conclusion.
01:44Is 31st January really the cut-off date?
01:47Mr. Shibli Faraz does not agree with this.
01:49He says that if the negotiations are progressing and the chances of success are visible,
01:54then this matter can go ahead from 31st January.
01:58The success of the negotiations will make it clear where the negotiations are going.
02:07If the negotiations are going towards a positive end, then it is not a big deal to go back and forth for 2-4 days.
02:15What will be the status of the judicial commission?
02:19Will there be senior most judges?
02:21Will the government and the opposition choose the judges of the judicial commission?
02:25Will the Chief Justice of Pakistan be given any responsibility?
02:28There is a doubt on this.
02:29There is no clarity on this.
02:30Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab wants a commission on the senior most judges.
02:38The government says that Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab should tell us the definition of senior most.
02:43Mr. Rana Sinhaullah is asking Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab for a fine point.
02:50Who should make the commission?
02:51For the investigation of both the incidents.
02:53Who should be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?
02:56The senior judges of the Supreme Court should do it.
02:58The Chief Justice should do it?
02:59The biggest judge should do it?
03:01What is the matter?
03:02I am saying that everyone will want it.
03:06Four people should gather and attack the capital.
03:12The Chief Justice will do the inquiry.
03:16During this time, the government committee has been complaining a lot about Mr. Imran Khan's tweet.
03:21Mr. Azul Haq, who is a senior resident, is also a part of that committee.
03:24He says that when Mr. Imran Khan gets a tweet, it becomes very difficult.
03:28The matter is very clear.
03:31When meetings were taking place in a very good environment,
03:33at that time, when the relationship started to rain on each other,
03:37the tweet created a lot of difficulties.
03:42But the matter is not that easy.
03:44The verdict of a case of 190 million pounds is also visible in front of you like a wall.
03:51That maybe the decision did not come in Mr. Imran Khan's favor.
03:54That decision was postponed twice.
03:57Now the news is that it will be heard tomorrow.
04:00Mr. Iqbala has already announced his decision on the media before this case.
04:05It will be an open and shut case.
04:09This is an open and shut case.
04:11Now someone made you do it.
04:13Someone in your family took advantage of it.
04:16Your friends took it later.
04:17Your party took it.
04:18No one will believe this.
04:19You have signed it.
04:20Mr. Khan will be punished for this.
04:22All the others who are with him will also be punished.
04:25Mr. Rahul Fasan, a senior resident of Pakistan, is present with us before the program.
04:29Thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Rahul.
04:31Let's go through the structure of today's meeting and then unpack the press conference.
04:37First of all, if you give us the clarity,
04:40that the appeal of the judge for the Judicial Commission of Tehrik-e-Insaf
04:44is a panel on senior judges.
04:46What is the scope of the Judicial Commission in the eyes of Tehrik-e-Insaf?
04:51What will be the ideal composition of the Judicial Commission for you?
04:55Thank you, Maria.
04:57Ideally, the senior judges should be comprised of three judges.
05:01But since it is basically a prerogative of the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
05:05in today's meeting, it has been said that the Chief Justice of Pakistan should appoint
05:10the commission of three judges or five judges.
05:16And move the matter forward.
05:18This has been discussed to this extent.
05:20So basically, there is no insistence that the senior judges should be comprised.
05:26But it should be done with preference that the senior judges should be comprised of three judges.
05:32But since we are interested to move the matter forward,
05:35let's see what panel the Chief Justice makes.
05:38I hope that they will be independent judges.
05:40And they will move the matter forward on merit.
05:43Okay.
05:44And after the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem,
05:47what will be the face of the Judicial Commission?
05:50Do you have confidence in that?
05:52The problem is that,
05:53the way the bench is formed,
05:55the commission is formed,
05:56and then there are investigations,
05:58then the acceptance of the commission,
06:00or whether to believe it or not,
06:01there can be a fight over it.
06:02That's why I am pressing upon this issue.
06:04That even if there is a bench of the Chief Justice's will,
06:07then the Judicial Commission will not object to it later.
06:10When the bench will be presented.
06:13Look, what has happened today,
06:15according to the instructions that have come,
06:17this is the same thing.
06:18But it depends on what the bench is formed,
06:21how it tries to move the matter forward.
06:24If the new appointed judges are included with everyone,
06:28and the independent minded judges are kept out,
06:31then there will be a malafide factor.
06:34And problems can be created.
06:37But I personally hope that,
06:39the Chief Justice will make such a bench,
06:41which can move the matter forward in the light of the law.
06:44Right.
06:45So this is the formation of the Judicial Commission.
06:48But now let's talk about another aspect of it.
06:51You want two different Judicial Commission inquiries.
06:54One on 9th May and one on 26th November.
06:56The government should most probably agree on one.
06:59If a commission is made on one of these two,
07:03will that be acceptable to the judiciary?
07:06Look, what has been said is that,
07:09both cases are equally important.
07:119th May and 26th November.
07:15So ideally speaking,
07:17commissions should be made on both cases,
07:19to investigate and inquire separately.
07:21Because on this basis,
07:23the PTI is being accused of murder,
07:25its workers have been arrested,
07:27they have been punished,
07:29they have been taken to the military courts.
07:31So a lot of things are based on 9th May.
07:33So we want two different commissions to be made,
07:35and both cases should be reviewed.
07:37On 9th May, the government is more or less ready,
07:39according to my information.
07:41On 26th November,
07:43your negotiation skills are very good.
07:47So if, for example,
07:49a commission is made on 9th May,
07:51and not on 26th November,
07:53will you consider it a successful negotiation?
07:55Will you say,
07:57at least something has been achieved?
07:59Look, a statement was made the day before yesterday,
08:01by Mr. Khan himself.
08:03He said that,
08:05we can never forget our martyrs and those who are missing.
08:07And it is extremely important
08:09to make a commission on this.
08:11To make a commission on both these cases.
08:13In fact,
08:15this commission on 26th November,
08:17because 9th May has become old,
08:19it has even been punished.
08:21People are still missing here.
08:23People's martyrdoms are not being accepted.
08:25So it is more relevant
08:27to make a commission on this on 9th May.
08:29There is a demand on both of us.
08:31A commission should be made on both.
08:33If a commission is made on one,
08:35then I think it will spoil the matter.
08:37It will not solve it.
08:39We know very well that
08:41you have made two demands.
08:43The government is asking you
08:45to write them down.
08:47You have spent two weeks
08:49writing them down.
08:51Why did you waste your time
08:53on this matter?
08:55It is Mr. Khan's go-ahead
08:57to write them down.
08:59There will be negotiations,
09:01whether there is a meeting or not.
09:03It is a very relaxed position of PTI.
09:05So why have you not written down
09:07In this regard,
09:09the government delegation
09:11had committed to meet Mr. Khan
09:13and our negotiation team.
09:15They did not do it.
09:17In fact, they wasted six days.
09:19After six days, they raised their hands
09:21and said that we do not have the strength
09:23to get you to meet them.
09:25As I said in my previous program,
09:27they are playing drums.
09:29They have nothing.
09:31But since you are negotiating
09:33through them, we have to tolerate them.
09:35This is the reason
09:37for the delay.
09:39Today, we have met Mr. Khan.
09:41Today, he has given a go-ahead
09:43to write down the demands.
09:45Today, I think,
09:47due to the government
09:49negotiation team,
09:51the demands will be reached.
09:53We will request them.
09:55It is a small and important thing.
09:57Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow,
09:59immediately,
10:01do the next session
10:03so that we can move forward
10:05quickly.
10:07Our other deadline,
10:09which is at the end of the month,
10:11is also coming up.
10:13The deadline can be extended.
10:15There is flexibility in that too.
10:17You have softened your position
10:19on that too.
10:21Don't you think the deadline
10:23is more or less applicable?
10:25The extension of the deadline
10:27is linked to progress
10:29in the negotiations.
10:31If there is progress in the negotiations,
10:33then Mr. Shibli is right.
10:35We can consider that.
10:37Mr. Khan will have that matter again.
10:39But if there is no progress in the negotiations,
10:41then we will not play committee.
10:43If you are in one or two meetings in the future,
10:45and this has also been discussed
10:47in today's meeting with Mr. Khan,
10:49tell him to prepare
10:51for the next meeting
10:53whenever it happens.
10:55We would like to see
10:57some practical progress
10:59on these submissions.
11:01Why is the government insisting
11:03on writing down
11:05your demands?
11:07They believe that
11:09in the past, you used to
11:11renounce your commitments.
11:13So, Zafar, why don't you take a return
11:15so that you don't renounce in the future?
11:17They talk about it at different times.
11:19When the date of the elections
11:21was to be fixed,
11:23you almost had a commitment
11:25and you renounced it.
11:27Do you understand why?
11:29Look, we cannot take any decision
11:31without Mr. Khan's approval.
11:33We are beholden to him.
11:35The party takes forward
11:37the decisions he makes.
11:39If we make a decision,
11:41it also goes to Mr. Khan for approval.
11:43If he approves it, the matter moves forward.
11:45I think it would be better
11:47if I don't talk to him.
11:49As a party, they are saying
11:51to write it down this time.
11:53We don't renounce.
11:55We look at matters on merit.
11:57If they don't move forward on merit,
11:59we cannot agree with them.
12:01So, I won't say to renounce.
12:03Yes, there is no consensus
12:05on matters
12:07because of which matters remain.
12:09We are fulfilling all their demands.
12:11We hope that
12:13they don't postpone the matter.
12:15They don't postpone it.
12:17They move the matter forward
12:19so that something can be taken out of it.
12:21You are writing down your demands.
12:23We have met Mr. Khan.
12:25Now, most probably,
12:27the third session will be called.
12:29Let's see if there is any
12:31pause in Mr. Khan's tweets.
12:33There won't be any tweets
12:35from his account.
12:37Is it a fair assessment
12:39that Tehreek-e-Insaaf will give some time
12:41and won't tweet during this time?
12:43Look, Maria,
12:45I don't see Mr. Khan's tweets
12:47in this way.
12:49Either you tell me.
12:51Let's see what is wrong
12:53in what Mr. Khan has said.
12:55He has said everything right.
12:57Yes, if he is saying
12:59that we should learn from past mistakes,
13:01is there anything wrong in it?
13:03Do we have to insist
13:05that we have to make mistakes
13:07and harm them?
13:09What happened on 26th November,
13:11should it happen?
13:13For example, the Government Committee
13:15has changed a lot.
13:17Look at Irfan Siddiqui and Rana Sanaullah.
13:19If they are joking and
13:21the tweet is called orderly,
13:23then it is not politically
13:25face-saving for them either.
13:27Will there be tweets?
13:29Is there any understanding
13:31that there will be a pause
13:33for some time?
13:35Look, Maria,
13:37I am laughing at the word
13:39orderly.
13:41To be honest about it,
13:43their status is nothing more
13:45than that.
13:47I know all these matters.
13:49I hope that someday
13:51we will be able to sit on a stage
13:53and talk openly.
13:55There are a lot of things
13:57that are left unsaid
13:59and it is better
14:01that they are left unsaid.
14:03They could not meet in 6 days.
14:05Now tell me what should I tell them?
14:07I am surprised that you are
14:09still negotiating with them.
14:11You are still trusting them.
14:13You are saying that the Judicial
14:15Committee is doing this.
14:17Is this your innocence?
14:19Is this a political strategy?
14:21Or is it time-buying?
14:23Or do you really think that
14:25successful negotiations
14:27will happen somewhere?
14:29Look, I was the only person
14:31in your program who
14:33used to talk about dialogue.
14:35So, I am actually
14:37hoping with them.
14:39But their status cannot change.
14:41Maria, their status is the same
14:43as yours.
14:45I did not make it.
14:47Mr. Khan did not make it.
14:49He made it himself.
14:51He stole the election.
14:53He is unconstitutional.
14:55It is wrong.
14:57They should think about it.
14:59So, Mr. Rao, which negotiations
15:01do you think are more successful?
15:03Is it your committee
15:05negotiating with the Judicial Committee
15:07or is it Ali Amin Gandapur
15:09negotiating with them?
15:11But everyone knows
15:13that there are negotiations
15:15happening behind closed doors.
15:17What do you think are the chances
15:19of their success?
15:21I wish I was sitting with you
15:23physically.
15:25I would have asked you
15:27about the negotiations.
15:29But let me say that
15:31the negotiations are happening
15:33with them.
15:35They have to decide
15:37which will be communicated
15:39to the people.
15:41They have only provided
15:43one platform.
15:45They have been ordered
15:47to provide this platform
15:49so that the negotiations can happen.
15:51So, at the end of the day,
15:53our intention has always been
15:55that those who have the power
15:57can talk to them.
15:59They are still doing the same thing.
16:01But, Mr. Rao, if they have been
16:03ordered to sit with you
16:05in the negotiations,
16:07can they talk to you
16:09as well?
16:11Have you been ordered
16:13to sit with those
16:15who have stolen your mandate
16:17and whom you did not want
16:19to talk to before?
16:21Yes, we did not want to talk to them.
16:23Even today, we feel that
16:25we are not talking to them.
16:27This is our contention
16:29because they do not have
16:31anything to give.
16:33They have taken the power
16:35because they do not have
16:37the power.
16:39You are talking to them
16:41freely.
16:43So, this is a complicated
16:45situation.
16:47Relationship status is complicated.
16:49You are calling it complicated.
16:51I am saying that it is very simple.
16:53The reality is that
16:55they do not have the power
16:57to make us meet them.
16:59Right.
17:01It just happened in front of you.
17:03They have raised their hands.
17:05They are saying that they cannot
17:07make you meet them.
17:09Rao, if Mulana Fazul Rehman
17:11and Mahmood Ajay Zahi
17:13were on board,
17:15would you have been able
17:17to sit with them?
17:19Would you have been able
17:21to make an opposition alliance
17:23with them?
17:25This is a question
17:27about your strategy.
17:29Mahmood Ajay Zahi
17:31is with us.
17:33Mr. Zardar is also
17:35with us.
17:37Mr. MWM
17:39is also with us.
17:41Mahmood Ajay Zahi
17:43and our coalition partners
17:45are on board.
17:47I am saying that
17:49you are not successful
17:51in making an opposition alliance.
17:53Look,
17:55our distance from Mr. Maulana
17:57is very less.
17:59He is no longer
18:01involved in state affairs.
18:03He has his own contention
18:05and relevance.
18:07We have our own contention
18:09and relevance.
18:11We are collaborating with them
18:13but we cannot meet
18:15on a platform.
18:17Do you think that the case
18:19of 190 million pounds will be
18:21heard tomorrow?
18:23Will this affect the negotiations?
18:25One of the state touts
18:27will come tomorrow.
18:29We get information only through these touts.
18:31We do not know.
18:33The decision should have been made
18:35three weeks ago.
18:37He has postponed it
18:39a couple of times.
18:41He has said that the decision
18:43will be made tomorrow.
18:45Will this affect
18:47the negotiations?
18:49Will this affect the negotiations?
18:51Will this affect
18:53the negotiations?
18:55Even if I say that
18:57it will not affect,
18:59it is a necessary thing.
19:01If you punish Mr. Khan
19:03on the basis of a fraudulent case,
19:05it is a necessary thing.
19:07It will affect.
19:09It should not affect.
19:11But I assure you that
19:13it will definitely affect.
19:15I hope that the dialogue
19:17will not be delayed.
19:19Thank you very much.
19:21We will take a break.
19:23We will take a break.
19:25Today, Faisal Wada
19:27said that Trump's card
19:29has been neutralized.
19:31Mr. Javed Lateef will be with us.
19:33He is talking a lot about foreign pressure.
19:35After today's statement,
19:37we will ask Mr. Javed Lateef
19:39whether he is satisfied or not.
19:41Welcome back.
19:43Today, a very important
19:45presentation was held regarding
19:47the negotiation.
19:49Mr. Tariq-e-Insaaf is ready to
19:51give his statement.
19:53Today, Mr. Faisal Wada
19:55gave a very interesting press conference.
19:57On 20th January, which is the day
19:59of change of the government in America,
20:01he said that those who have
20:03expectations from 20th January
20:05will be disappointed and
20:07Pakistan will be successful.
20:09What was he trying to say?
20:11Was he talking about the government
20:13hinting at foreign pressure?
20:15Let's listen to Faisal Wada's statement.
20:17There are no backdoor negotiations.
20:19If there were backdoor negotiations,
20:21I would have stood up for you.
20:23He talked about international pressure.
20:25That international pressure did not come.
20:27International air is not for Imran Khan,
20:29but for Pakistan.
20:31You are waiting for 20th January.
20:33I am telling you that from 20th January
20:35that longing will end.
20:37The government has been talking
20:39about foreign pressure.
20:41Whether it is Mr. Rana Sanaullah,
20:43Mr. Khawaja Asif or Mr. Javed Lateef,
20:45the foreign pressure in which
20:47Mr. Khawaja Asif will be released
20:49will be used as an excuse.
20:51Let's listen to what the government
20:53has to say about this.
20:55Don't cry for the oppressed.
20:57They have made their Qibla in Washington.
20:59And they are waiting for 20th January.
21:01A committee was formed
21:03under the pressure of the government.
21:05And where is the pressure from?
21:07It is from the international forces.
21:09Whether anyone believes it or not,
21:11if you release someone
21:13as a result of these jokes,
21:15under some pressure,
21:17it will be slavery.
21:19We will never accept slavery.
21:21Even if Mr. Trump gives a statement,
21:23it may be for 2-4 days.
21:25Giving a statement is another thing.
21:27But if he talks at the government level,
21:29then his answer will be...
21:31In the program,
21:33Mr. Javed Lateef is with us.
21:35Thank you very much for joining us.
21:37Today, I was listening to Mr. Faisal Warda's statement.
21:39He is saying that 20th January,
21:41obviously, Trump's arrangements
21:43and Biden's arrangements
21:45have been lost.
21:47So, it is not a matter of worry.
21:49This matter will be solved
21:51with diplomatic diplomacy.
21:53It will not bother you
21:55so much.
21:57Are you satisfied
21:59with such a statement?
22:01Or do you feel that there is still pressure
22:03and more will come after 20th January?
22:07No, Maria.
22:09I have never been
22:11worried
22:13or happy
22:15that if Trump's
22:17arrangements come,
22:19you will reduce the pressure
22:21by improving diplomatic relations.
22:23I am very clear
22:25that there was pressure for this.
22:27There is pressure.
22:29And that pressure never came
22:31for Zulfiqar Bhutto.
22:33It never came for Nawaz Sharif.
22:35Pressure has been coming
22:37in Pakistan.
22:39When Zulfiqar Bhutto
22:41is hanged,
22:43when Nawaz Sharif
22:45is made a hijacker
22:47and tried to punish him,
22:49when Omar Qaid was given
22:51the death sentence,
22:53there were attempts
22:55to change it.
22:57But where there is pressure
22:59today,
23:01there was never pressure
23:03from Pakistan.
23:05In fact,
23:07when something happened,
23:09he used to get support
23:11from those people
23:13whom I am talking about today.
23:15Clinton's arrangements
23:17facilitated Nawaz Sharif's
23:19hijacking case.
23:21It is a part of history.
23:23It was honoured.
23:25Nawaz Sharif was allowed
23:27to leave the country.
23:29Clinton has played his role
23:31in this.
23:33Is this unprecedented?
23:35No.
23:37You are right.
23:39But I want to ask you
23:41a question.
23:43Tell me,
23:45what did Nawaz Sharif
23:47do against the country
23:49for which
23:51Clinton
23:53tried to
23:55release Nawaz Sharif?
23:57Or what demand
23:59did he make in return?
24:01I will tell you
24:03what Imran Khan
24:05has done.
24:07Trump,
24:09who is in power
24:11after 20 days,
24:13is indebted to Imran Khan.
24:15America wanted
24:17India and Pakistan
24:19to solve the Kashmir issue.
24:21Imran Khan solved the issue.
24:23Trump is thankful
24:25that he appointed him
24:27as the third party
24:29and India captured Kashmir.
24:31Nawaz Sharif
24:33was punished for
24:35the CPEC.
24:37Nawaz Sharif was punished
24:39for making Pakistan
24:41a nuclear power.
24:43But Imran Khan
24:45was awarded
24:47for keeping the CPEC shut
24:49for 3.5 years.
24:51If someone
24:53tried to release
24:55Nawaz Sharif,
24:57what was the result
24:59for which
25:01Imran Khan was punished?
25:29What was the role
25:31of the people
25:33whom you quoted
25:35while removing
25:37Nawaz Sharif?
25:39What was the role
25:41of General Chishti
25:43or General Hameed Gul
25:45when they were being
25:47oppressed during
25:49their imprisonment?
25:51General Hameed Gul
25:53is one of the
25:55people who
25:57tried to
25:59remove Imran Khan.
26:01Everyone knows
26:03about Hameed Gul
26:05who launched Imran Khan.
26:07But when they saw
26:09the real face of Imran Khan,
26:11Hameed Gul stepped back.
26:13But he was with Imran Khan
26:15earlier.
26:17When will
26:19the oppression
26:21come?
26:23Do you think
26:25the government
26:27is trying to
26:29find a way
26:31to remove Imran Khan?
26:35Both sides
26:37are trying to do this.
26:39One side
26:41is right.
26:43The other side
26:45is also worried
26:47that the
26:49expectations
26:51of the people
26:53are very high.
26:55If you allow me,
26:57I would like to
26:59say something
27:01about the
27:03judicial commission
27:05that you mentioned
27:07at the beginning
27:09of the conversation.
27:11Why should the judicial
27:13commission
27:15be formed
27:17after the
27:19conviction of the
27:21good to see you
27:23chief justice?
27:25He said that
27:27the people will
27:29attack him
27:31from where he will be arrested.
27:33Should the commission
27:35be formed after 1.5 years?
27:37Why shouldn't it be formed?
27:39Judicial commissions
27:41suit governments.
27:43Judicial commissions
27:45get a job
27:47when they get findings.
27:49One second.
27:51You said that
27:53judicial commissions
27:55get benefits
27:57when there is
27:59one page.
28:01When the page is torn,
28:03the benefits are less
28:05and the losses are more.
28:07One second.
28:11Maria, one second please.
28:13One page
28:15was formed
28:17in 2014.
28:19In 2017,
28:21it got results.
28:23In 2018,
28:25everyone distributed
28:27sweets of happiness
28:29to get benefits.
28:31It is a different matter
28:33that in 2022,
28:35someone got something
28:37and someone's wishes
28:39were not fulfilled.
28:41All the institutions
28:43are not on one page.
28:45I am saying this with responsibility.
28:47Secondly,
28:49I want to say that
28:51if you want to
28:53form a judicial commission,
28:55despite the fact that
28:57everything is in front of the people,
28:59form it.
29:01Form a powerful judicial commission
29:03but
29:05investigate
29:07whether it is written
29:09in the TOR
29:11that when
29:13a page was formed
29:15and when it was planned,
29:17there was a revolt
29:19in an institution.
29:21Who were the people
29:23from which institutions?
29:25They should identify this.
29:27The government is a negotiating committee.
29:29They can put their TORs
29:31in the judicial commission.
29:33It is their responsibility
29:35to form a commission.
29:37Forming a commission is not an option.
29:39Form it and put your conditions.
29:41First,
29:43there are two things.
29:45First,
29:47you should clarify
29:49and form a judicial commission.
29:51You should form a committee.
29:53You can start
29:55from wherever you want.
29:57But my request is
29:59that
30:01should committees be formed
30:03under the pressure of international powers?
30:05Should a judicial commission be formed
30:07under the pressure of international powers?
30:09Should a judicial commission be formed
30:11under the pressure of international powers
30:13and release a person
30:15who has taken £190 million?
30:17Should a judicial commission be formed
30:19under the pressure of international powers
30:21and forgive people
30:23who have committed 9-10 crimes?
30:25Absolutely not.
30:27Absolutely not.
30:29Absolutely not.
30:31Absolutely not.
30:33Absolutely not.
30:35Absolutely not.
30:37But I would like to say
30:39that will anyone dictate us
30:41that
30:43is Imran Khan's statement
30:45that we are slaves?
30:47Can he become a slave for his freedom?
30:49I had mentioned Zuluf Karli Bhutto
30:51and Nawaz Sharif.
30:53Were there less atrocities on them?
30:55Were there less atrocities on them?
30:57Sir, please stop this.
30:59Sir, please stop this.
31:01Please stop this.
31:03Maria, one second.
31:05In Pakistan,
31:07in Pakistan,
31:09in the last 70 years,
31:11were there no atrocities?
31:13Did they attack Pakistan's institutions?
31:15Did they attack Pakistan's institutions?
31:17Or did they invite international powers
31:19to intervene in Pakistan?
31:21This is the point.
31:23Sir, but the government
31:25is under pressure.
31:27Sir, but the government
31:29is under pressure.
31:31I am surprised
31:33that there is no space.
31:35Is there a necessity?
31:37If there is so much external pressure
31:39and yet you have to sit
31:41with the 9th of May perpetrators,
31:43what is the necessity?
31:45Look, Maria,
31:47if you
31:49look at the facts,
31:51then I don't think
31:53the issue will be resolved.
31:55The nation is trapped
31:57that no one is ready to speak the truth.
31:59The translators of the institutions
32:01are saying the complete truth.
32:03Who conspired?
32:05From where?
32:07You hold General Faiz Ameer
32:09and think that all the conspiracy
32:11went in vain.
32:13How did it happen?
32:15You tell me, the one who said
32:17good to see you,
32:19the Chief Justice of the time,
32:21the Chief Justice of the time,
32:23the Chief Justice of the time,
32:25did the perpetrator of 9th of May
32:27say good to see you like this?
32:29If you arrest a person
32:31and take him away,
32:33the judge doesn't even say
32:35good to see you.
32:37But I still have a question.
32:39Why are you doing this protest?
32:41Are you doing it under pressure?
32:43Yes, this is the real thing.
32:45Maria, this is the real thing.
32:47You are on one side
32:49the government
32:51or the people of the institutions.
32:53They say that 9th of May
32:55is our red line.
32:57They say that the institution
32:59was incited to revolt.
33:01They say that Faiz Ameer
33:03was involved in this.
33:05Tell me, could Faiz Ameer
33:07have planned this alone?
33:09Sir, you should ask this
33:11to your government.
33:13You have the power
33:15to make a powerful commission.
33:17This is a question to be asked
33:19to your government.
33:21Maria, one second.
33:23This is not appropriate.
33:25I cannot complete
33:27this question.
33:29I am trying to
33:31ask you
33:33that you should
33:35make a judicial commission
33:37or a committee.
33:39But you should start
33:41with honesty.
33:43Tell me, did Maria
33:45or Javed Latif
33:47organize the protest
33:49in 2014?
33:51Was Raheel Shareef not
33:53the one who brought
33:55Imran Khan to power?
33:57Who were those people?
33:59Fourthly,
34:01I want to ask you
34:03as a representative
34:05of the community
34:07that
34:09the red line
34:11was made
34:13to incite
34:15the revolt
34:17on 9th and 10th of May.
34:19The 26th of November
34:21you are saying
34:23that you have your own law
34:25and constitution.
34:27How can foreign powers
34:29bring you under pressure?
34:31If you make committees
34:33under pressure
34:35and release them,
34:37then where is our freedom?
34:39For freedom,
34:41this community
34:43must stand.
34:45Sir, who are you asking?
34:47Are you asking the PM?
34:49Let me tell you,
34:51I am asking
34:53all the officials
34:55of the government
34:57and all the politicians.
34:59Thank you very much.
35:01Javed Latif
35:03has raised an important point.
35:05We will take a break.
35:07When we come back,
35:09we will show you some
35:11terrifying figures
35:13of gender-based violence.
35:15Welcome back.
35:17The number of cases
35:19of gender-based violence
35:21against women
35:23is the lowest.
35:25But the number
35:27is considerably high
35:29compared to other countries.
35:31In Pakistan,
35:33in 2024 alone,
35:35392 women were killed
35:37in the name of honour.
35:39This is the number of cases
35:41issued by the Human Rights Commission
35:43of Pakistan.
35:45Then from Sindh,
35:47Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
35:49Balochistan and Islamabad,
35:51two cases were reported
35:53in the name of honour.
35:55Remember,
35:57these are reported cases.
35:59According to the HRCP report,
36:01in 2024,
36:031,970 cases of rape,
36:052,099 of domestic violence,
36:0730 cases of burning,
36:09and 43 cases of rape were reported.
36:11In 2024,
36:13the number is 11.
36:15In other cases,
36:17980 women were killed.
36:19Pakistan is a country
36:21where women are not safe
36:23even in their homes.