👉 En un devastador incidente, Melanie y Mauro, perdieron la vida cuando un conductor ebrio los atropelló en José C. Paz. El impacto fue tan violento que tanto la moto como el vehículo se incendiaron. El conductor sobrevivió y se encuentra hospitalizado, a pesar de tener antecedentes similares. Las familias de las víctimas y la comunidad local exigen justicia mientras lidian con su dolor.
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00:00There you have Melanie, there you have Mauro, two young lives that were lost.
00:04They were moving on a motorcycle by José C. Paz,
00:08and a madman at the wheel, who runs over them head-on and practically kills them in the act.
00:15It was such violence, such violence, the impact, that the motorcycle catches fire,
00:20the vehicle catches fire, the car.
00:23He managed to survive, the responsible of this situation, or the irresponsible of this situation,
00:29and Javier Mozo is already working there, with two families, broken by the pain,
00:34trying to march to claim justice.
00:37They are no longer there, the two young people, and who caused this situation,
00:41yes, he had to be attended, he had to be hospitalized,
00:44but he keeps going, and on top of that, it seems that he already had records in the maternity hospital.
00:48Javier, how are you doing? Good afternoon.
00:52Bobby, how are you? Good afternoon to you there in the studios.
00:56We are here in the main square of José C. Paz,
00:59and a large number of relatives, friends, neighbors, of Melani and Mauro,
01:06of these two young people, of this couple of 22 and 21 years old,
01:10who last weekend suffered what you just narrated.
01:16Look at the photo, look at the photo of Melani, that smile, the photo of Mauro,
01:23and look at, whenever you can, the faces of the relatives, the faces of the friends,
01:29the faces of the people, the sunglasses that perhaps cover many tears,
01:35because there is a lot of emotion here, guys.
01:39In fact, they transfer that emotion to us,
01:43and also some other photo of this irresponsible killer character,
01:49who was driving at a great speed and with a lot of alcohol in his blood.
01:56Look, this is the character, the killer, Meneses, Johnny Meneses, Peruvian,
02:04and look at these faces, 22, 21 years old, with a life ahead of them.
02:10They were dating for a very short time, they were a couple, they were dating,
02:14and that night they went out to drink something, to eat something.
02:18What a couple does, what two kids of that age and older people do.
02:25There is Mauro's mother, Melani's mother and father.
02:35What's your name?
02:37Gladys.
02:38Gladys, how difficult all this, Gladys.
02:41It's very difficult for a mother.
02:43The truth is that this killer took away half of our lives.
02:49A killer on the fly, he ended the life of my 21-year-old son.
02:57I was only 21 years old.
03:01I don't want justice for this killer.
03:05He already had a sentence for murder.
03:08They let him go and he killed again.
03:11And it was my son's turn.
03:18In these cases it is always good to remember.
03:25I would like to know what your son was like, the one you have here in the picture.
03:31You see him, you see him handsome, you see him smiling, you see him in a good mood.
03:39How do you remember him?
03:41My son was a cheerful person.
03:44He was never in a bad mood.
03:47And he was worried about all of us.
03:50We lost our father.
03:52They lost their father five years ago.
03:55And he took the role of father of the man of the house.
03:59It is very sad what I have to live today.
04:03Because he was worried about all of us.
04:12I'll be back with you, I'll leave you alone for a few minutes.
04:20Hello.
04:22What's your name?
04:23Cristina.
04:24Cristina, and you?
04:25Gusti.
04:28Melanie.
04:29How was she?
04:33A very good girl, very kind.
04:36Very sociable, cheerful.
04:38Charming, hardworking, entrepreneurial.
04:43Very loved by everyone.
04:47And in a minute this killer took her from me.
04:51I ask for justice, I ask for justice.
04:54I want her out of the house.
04:56She can't stay like this.
05:00Look how beautiful she was.
05:02And Mauro was so young too.
05:06And I was just leaving.
05:10I said to myself, Mom, I want to see you for a little while, please.
05:15But I gave her permission.
05:18What happened happened.
05:21For me this is a dream, I can't believe it yet.
05:26I feel accompanied now, but when I'm alone, I don't know.
05:32Do you have more children?
05:34Yes, I have more children.
05:36I have another daughter who is with us.
05:39She is very companion to both of us.
05:43Lately they were getting along very well.
05:47She is poor, she is old, she is very bad.
05:51But I know that with the company of our children and family we will move forward.
05:58I still can't believe this.
06:00That's why we ask for justice for Melan and Mauro.
06:05Without a doubt, it is what we all ask for, it is what we all ask for from here.
06:09Agustin, my partner Bobby Mena is talking to me from the floor.
06:13They are going to march from here.
06:16They are going to walk around different places in the center of José C. Paz.
06:21And that march will end up in the municipality of José C. Paz,
06:25which is approximately 4 or 5 blocks from where we are.
06:29If you allow me, can I ask Agustin something?
06:33Yes, of course.
06:35Do you want to see if we can cross?
06:37We were there to give them cameras, to give them microphones,
06:41to accompany them in the claim for justice.
06:43I want to go over some anecdotes that we know have the irresponsible of all this.
06:50The production tells me if we have anything to adjust in the audio,
06:53or if we already have it solved.
06:55I want to listen to them, I want to see them, because it is the reason why we went.
06:59Lately we are very tired, Javi, of seeing so many young faces
07:06who freeze in t-shirts, in postcards, in photos.
07:11And the lives of others continue.
07:14So we don't ask for anything more than justice.
07:17We are not asking for anything else.
07:19But at least in that justice, that they do not regain freedom,
07:22that this does not remain a guilty homicide and nothing more.
07:25So we are there for that, and we are going to give them cameras and microphones
07:30all the time it takes to accompany these people.
07:32Because, as one of the mothers said,
07:35now I feel accompanied, but at the same time I feel alone.
07:39Because not having the company of a daughter
07:41destroys you and tears your soul, your heart,
07:43and every square centimeter of your body.
07:45I think we were better with the audio.
07:47I kept talking to them, and then eventually I share it here with my friends.
07:52Some details that have the case, which are tremendous.
07:56You know, Bobby, that a week ago we were covering a case,
08:01not because of a traffic accident, but because of a homicide
08:04of a narco to a boy who was passing by the sidewalk in front.
08:08And that mother was left without a child,
08:11she was left without her son, Franco Vera, 22 years old.
08:15And now we are talking about a week,
08:18of a march of relatives, of father, of mother,
08:22of friends, of brothers, of sisters, of Mauro and Melanie.
08:26It's crazy, because the boy from last week was 22,
08:30and the kids from last weekend, who are now marching, are 21 and 22.
08:35They are all like that.
08:37I mean, they are coming to life, to society.
08:40And now we have to interview Agustin, Melanie's father,
08:46I don't know, what's going on inside him?
08:50To me?
08:53To me, the truth is, it destroyed everything.
08:57To me, to my wife.
08:59Sometimes I have no words.
09:02And I, with all the kids, all the strength that I support,
09:06they support me in everything.
09:08It's incredible, it's incredible.
09:11And this, I don't know how to explain it to you.
09:16Because I never thought this was going to happen to me.
09:20I always saw it on TV, I saw it here and there,
09:24but with my wife I always watched it on TV,
09:27and we saw, what a bastard, what is this, what is this?
09:30But, no, I don't know.
09:33The truth is that I want justice to be done, nothing more.
09:38For this murderer.
09:40For this murderer, son of mine.
09:44I want justice.
09:52Agustin is listening to you.
09:54His wife is next to him, you and the kids.
09:57And when you want, we can continue talking with some relatives,
10:01with brothers, with cousins.
10:03We'll handle it, there's no problem.
10:06But in this case, Agustin has the return, and his wife has it.
10:11Agustin...
10:13They are Melanie's parents.
10:15Yes, I respect to greet both of you,
10:17to tell you that we are with you,
10:20that's why we are there, we embrace you in pain.
10:23We only have now, you have a huge void,
10:26and us to accompany you in the request of justice.
10:29In that sense, I want to consult you.
10:32If it is confirmed that this man, in addition to having done everything wrong,
10:36because the boys had gone out to have fun on a motorcycle,
10:39to make a misstep, invades the opposite hand,
10:42crashes them head-on at an excessive speed,
10:45such a violence, the impact that...
10:48Well, you know better than me what happened.
10:51Both vehicles caught fire.
10:54This man was drunk,
10:56is that alcoholism test confirmed, in addition to 1.9?
11:00Yes.
11:01Yes, yes, it's confirmed.
11:05Totally.
11:07When I get there,
11:10to look for my daughter, I see him.
11:13I see a car that is on fire,
11:15but I saw the ambulance that was in front of me,
11:18and I didn't hit him.
11:20And he was sitting there,
11:22as if nothing, looking at his car,
11:24how it caught fire, nothing more.
11:26You, Agustin, thought it was something else,
11:29that the episode of the car on fire,
11:31had nothing to do with your daughter?
11:35Absolutely, yes.
11:37And it was a long distance,
11:39this also has to do with the speed at which it came,
11:43and what was, this is going to be a matter of expertise,
11:46the inertia of the movement,
11:48where, just after the impact,
11:50managed to stop the vehicle, right?
11:54Yes, it stayed about 100 meters,
11:57100 meters from the place where they collided.
12:00Which speaks of the speed at which it came.
12:02That is to say, let's review, Agustin,
12:04it invaded with the opposite hand,
12:06it came at an excess of speed,
12:08it came with an excess of blood alcohol,
12:10which in the province of Buenos Aires is zero,
12:12he came with 1.9.
12:14And in addition to all this,
12:16it is confirmed that he also had a background,
12:20for another fact of similar characteristics?
12:23Yes, yes, he committed a murder,
12:25he killed a man, a girl,
12:27I'm not well informed, but I know he has a background.
12:31Well, then we are going to adjust it
12:33and clarify that with whoever can from the entire sector
12:35who is accompanying you,
12:37if it also has to do with an episode of a road accident,
12:39or is it of another characteristic,
12:41but he had a background?
12:43Yes, yes, yes, that is confirmed.
12:45It is also confirmed.
12:47Condemnation for murder, they are telling me.
12:49Here the lawyer who is defending in this case,
12:51which is Dr. Tripolone,
12:53has a conviction for murder, Meneses.
12:55We have to see in what situation, guys,
12:57that has been,
12:59but if he has a conviction for murder,
13:01what was he doing in Libertad?
13:03Of course.
13:05That's the big question.
13:07I'm going to go with Fito.
13:09Confirm to me if it is for an episode of similar characteristics,
13:11if it is a road accident,
13:13if it was for a culpable homicide,
13:15because here comes the question and the secret of this Fito,
13:17which is, what figure do they apply to him,
13:19if he is guilty,
13:21if it is a simple homicide with eventual pain,
13:23that the damage that could be caused
13:25should have been configured,
13:27with all these variables that we are analyzing, Fito.
13:29Yes, Osby.
13:31The previous sentence
13:33can be a culpable homicide
13:35for any characteristic,
13:37for a car accident
13:39or for any other circumstance.
13:41Let's explain to the people,
13:43because it sounds very cold out there,
13:45in the midst of the pain that we are out there
13:47accompanying these two absolutely destroyed families,
13:49of those faces that were there,
13:51detained in time.
13:53Culpable homicide is when someone out there
13:55commits a crime of murder,
13:57and the sentence is low.
13:59The sentence for culpable homicide
14:01is negligence,
14:03negligence or imprudence.
14:05The sentence is from 2 to 5 years.
14:07Now,
14:09with any of these aggravations
14:11that you said,
14:13it is from 3 to 6.
14:15Now,
14:17comes the second question, Bobby,
14:19which is not to fill the prisons,
14:21but if you have more than one aggravation,
14:23now,
14:25you come in excess of speed,
14:27you come with alcohol in blood,
14:29you have a previous record,
14:31another aggravation,
14:33if you fail in more than one person,
14:35you already start to show
14:37the figure of the eventual pain,
14:39which is,
14:41you have to assume
14:43that you are going to kill.
14:45It is no longer imprudence,
14:47imprudence or negligence.
14:49It is no longer a culpable homicide
14:51to turn smoothly
14:53into a painful homicide
14:55for the eventual pain,
14:57for that representation,
14:59that possibility that must have passed
15:01through your mind.
15:03Javi, what is known about the irresponsible
15:05that caused this drama
15:07for these two families?
15:09Is he still hospitalized?
15:11Is he already arrested?
15:13What can we know about him
15:15and his background,
15:17that if perhaps another figure
15:19had not happened?
15:23What is known about the murderer?
15:25Is he still hospitalized?
15:27Is he already in freedom?
15:29Is he already with custody in his home?
15:31How is the situation?
15:33Apparently, it seems that he has already
15:35left the hospital and is already
15:37at the Prino police station.
15:39But from there, whether he was transferred
15:41or not, we do not know.
15:43We do not have that information.
15:45And you do not know that?
15:47Ok, ok.
15:49Your idea, what would it be
15:51at this moment,
15:53is to move to where
15:55and for where?
15:57Go to Jose Cepas,
15:59to the center,
16:01take a peaceful walk,
16:03just make a claim to justice
16:05and change the face.
16:07The change of face is fundamental
16:09in this case because it is,
16:11as far as we know so far,
16:13it is labeled as a culpable homicide
16:15and what you are asking through the lawyer
16:17is that it be a simple homicide.
16:19Is that so, right?
16:21Yes, yes, that's right.
16:23With double eventual.
16:25Yes, yes, that's what we want to change.
16:27And I imagine, I don't know, guys,
16:29you are there on the floor,
16:31that in case of changing the face
16:33for a simple homicide with double eventual,
16:35the situation is totally different
16:37for the murderer in this case.
16:39And the sentence in expectation
16:41already changes from 3 to 6 years,
16:43it already starts to be
16:45from 8 to 25 years,
16:47where they start to evaluate
16:49if there is a possibility
16:51of escape risk
16:53or hindrance,
16:55and there, existing any of those two causes,
16:57already with the qualification
16:59of double eventual,
17:01deserves immediate detention.
17:03That is, it changes substantially
17:05both the sentence expectation
17:07and the possibility
17:09of continuing the process in freedom.
17:11How old is the boy?
17:13Javier, do you know?
17:15The one responsible for this?
17:17Do you know the age?
17:19The boys, both 21 years old.
17:21Yes, Agustin.
17:23The one from the murderer?
17:25Yes.
17:27The murderer is 37 years old.
17:2937.
17:31Agustin, what do you do?
17:35I have a kiosk in my house.
17:37A worker.
17:39A worker?
17:41Yes.
17:43From Mauro?
17:45From Melani.
17:47From Melani, sorry.
17:49Yes.
17:51Also a worker?
17:53Yes, yes.
17:55Never in your life did you think...
17:57We both do business.
17:59Never in your life did you think...
18:01All my children, all my children,
18:03they are all businessmen.
18:05Because, I ask you because
18:07this is the best we can do.
18:09Yes, please.
18:11I see the faces, I see everything,
18:13the postcards made by young people,
18:15by relatives,
18:17by friends.
18:19And I go through that.
18:21And now we have to be talking
18:23about technical figures,
18:25legal figures,
18:27about the simple homicide
18:29with eventual death,
18:31about the guilty homicide.
18:33Things that in life
18:35you have to go through
18:37in this situation
18:39in which life did not put you.
18:41Because there one is tempted to say,
18:43look at what situation life put him.
18:45A murderer put him.
18:47A murderer at the wheel,
18:49an irresponsible,
18:51someone who goes out to drive
18:53with 1.9% of alcohol in his blood
18:55and causes the tragedy he causes.
18:57We send you a hug with us.
18:59We will continue to accompany you
19:01this afternoon and in the future too.
19:03We are here to listen to you.
19:05Yes, we only ask for justice.
19:07That's why Pedro pacified.
19:09And all the neighbors,
19:11friends, friends of Meira,
19:13of Mauro, we all come to ask
19:15only that, mom.
19:17But let it be done,
19:19let all justice be done
19:21and let him be
19:23imprisoned for life.
19:25Let him not be impugned.
19:27Let him not be impugned.
19:29Let him not be impugned.
19:31Let him not be impugned.
19:33Let him not be impugned.
19:35Let him not be impugned.
19:37Let him not be impugned.
19:39Let him not be impugned.
19:41Let him not be impugned.
19:43Let him not be impugned.
19:45Let him not be impugned.
19:47Let him not be impugned.
19:49Let him not be impugned.
19:51Let him not be impugned.
19:53Let him not be impugned.
19:55Let him not be impugned.
19:57Let him not be impugned.
19:59Change the cover
20:01for Dolo Eventual.
20:03Let it be simple with Dolo Eventual
20:05and not with the cover
20:07that is now.
20:09This is fundamental.
20:11Fundamental for them and justice.
20:13They will trust
20:15justice when this happens.
20:17The feeling
20:19of abandonment,
20:21the feeling of loneliness
20:23by these people is capital.
20:25And there they are starting
20:27to move.
20:29They will surely walk
20:31and mobilize
20:33in the north-west area
20:35of the great Buenos Aires.
20:37I want to release them for that
20:39because I know they are patiently
20:41waiting for us to march
20:43for this dialogue we have had.
20:45We stay with the image.
20:47Let's show them at the beginning
20:49of the march, of the mobilization
20:51in claim of justice.
20:53Meanwhile, we have Claudio Greco
20:55with his two families destroyed.
20:57In addition to justice,
20:59these people also need help.
21:01I personally know Anilda Gomez
21:03who is a mother of Cro-Magnon
21:05who I know works linked
21:07to a group of parents in this municipality.
21:09I have no doubt that by meeting Anilda
21:11she will get closer to these families
21:13because these families are starting
21:15a path. Just now the mother said it
21:17and we all looked at each other in the studio.
21:19I feel accompanied at this moment.
21:21It is almost a situation,
21:23I don't want to say unreal,
21:25because this love is genuine,
21:27of all those who accompany it,
21:29but this also in a moment
21:31goes down, decays,
21:33and you stay alone in a house,
21:35a mother and a father hugged.
21:37You stay every day,
21:39starting the day and ending it crying,
21:41clinging to the last garments
21:43that are out there,
21:45because I have seen this 10,000 times,
21:47that are out there,
21:49and you go to the meeting
21:51from now on.
21:53Yes, Bobby, yesterday I told a patient
21:55that the pain is not the same as the pain.
21:57The pain has pain,
21:59however,
22:01the pain has a time,
22:03a time that has different seasons.
22:05The first season, the surprise,
22:07then the season of denial,
22:09then the season of anger,
22:13and then the season
22:15or stage of acceptance, finally.
22:17Now, although the pain
22:19has a time,
22:21neither more nor less,
22:23the resignification of a traumatic event,
22:25in this case,
22:27of a terrible catastrophe
22:29that has no reparation,
22:31the sadness,
22:33which is an emotion
22:35that you will feel all your life.
22:37Not the same pain
22:39as pain.
22:41Do you feel the pain, the death of a child?
22:43No.
22:45Never.
22:47What can be resignified
22:49is to learn to live
22:51with that terrible pain,
22:53which is a wound
22:55that will never heal,
22:57but also to understand
22:59that when someone snatches a life,
23:01snatches a life, yes,
23:03but the implications
23:05that other people have
23:07for the whole life
23:09of a child,
23:11this does not end with the end of mourning.
23:13The death of a child does not end
23:15with the exhumation
23:17or with the burial.
23:19That's where it starts,
23:21the pain, the pain.
23:23There is a moment
23:25where the absence
23:27and we humans
23:29resignify the absences
23:31not by memories,
23:33but by the present.
23:35A place, a color, a music.
23:37All the losses of our lives
23:39are resignified
23:41from reality.
23:43Reality is a mirror
23:45that brings us
23:47many times to those who are not.
23:49Is it more difficult for the mother
23:51to overcome and endure
23:53the pain of the loss of a child?
23:55The truth is that it is indistinct.
23:57Each person obviously
23:59has their own process
24:01and there are people who can.
24:03I always suggest
24:05and what I try to accompany
24:07the people who are at that stage
24:09is that they can manifest.
24:11What is not manifested
24:13is later translated.
24:15It is translated into bodily illness,
24:17it is translated into diseases,
24:19it is translated into symptoms.
24:21You always have to put words
24:23to the pain.
24:25You always have to put words
24:27to the pain.
24:29Yes, it is difficult,
24:31because it is a whole job,
24:33it is an exercise,
24:35you have to have tools
24:37and support.
24:39That is fundamental.
24:41And look at these mothers.
24:43It is an unnatural law
24:45of life,
24:47that a mother and a father
24:49have to be like that.
24:51How much pain is there
24:53of others who will be frozen in time?
24:55When you ask for justice
24:57in that too,
24:59maybe you get the strength
25:01to endure that pain,
25:03at least at the beginning.
25:05You are very right.
25:07Let's see, there is something that calms
25:09but does not heal.
25:11There is something that calms
25:13and generates a reason to fight.
25:15Something like if pain could
25:17transform into a cause.
25:19And when many mothers,
25:21we see this in the number of
25:23boys and girls who have died
25:25and die from drug use.
25:27When mothers,
25:29who manage to get together,
25:31to group as
25:33Familia y Esperanza,
25:35and a lot of mothers
25:37from all over the country,
25:39thousands who march
25:41to ask for a new mental health law
25:43of addictions and to ask
25:45for free treatments for their children,
25:47whose children have died.
25:49Let's see, those who claim,
25:51these women who are here,
25:53or the mothers who have lost their children
25:55or their relatives,
25:57are not just any people.
25:59They are people who know what they are talking about.
26:01And they are the people to whom
26:03as they were not consulted
26:05in the Mental Health Law of Addictions
26:07that we have now,
26:09to consult them because they are the ones who know
26:11what is happening in the territory.
26:13So, these mothers, when they can
26:15turn the pain
26:17into a cause and purpose,
26:19the pain begins to make sense.
26:23Let me go
26:25five seconds, even with the image
26:27of these two families
26:29asking for justice.
26:31We are there to support them and
26:33we will of course
26:37continue supporting them.
26:39Justice!
26:41Justice!
26:43Justice!
26:45Justice!
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26:59Tremendous guys