Luigi Mangione, the charged killer in the Brian Thompson murder case, took time from a vacation in Thailand to visit a shooting range ... a decision that now sticks out to some of his travel buddies.
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00:00We have a documentary tonight about Luigi Mangione, the mind of a killer and we get
00:08into a lot here because a lot of people think this is about his gripe over healthcare.
00:14It's not.
00:15It is not that at all.
00:17Luigi Mangione was an obsessed man over corporate greed.
00:24Healthcare was just a symbol of that.
00:27But we have been, in doing this documentary, to Hawaii, San Francisco, Maryland, Pennsylvania,
00:34New York, Thailand, India, we have been all over the place, Germany.
00:39And what we've discovered, going all those places, talking to people who had close contact
00:45with Luigi, as Harvey said, one, he is obsessed, but also I think as far as the criminal case
00:51is concerned, it is very clear that this was something he was thinking about and planning
00:57for several months, going back even before last summer.
01:01We definitely six months before and as early as March because we interviewed two German
01:10guys who met up with Luigi in March in Thailand.
01:15They spent a week and a half with him and they had some really interesting things to
01:20say about what he was doing and what he was obsessed with.
01:25Is there anything you can think of, looking back, that now kind of makes the light bulb
01:31go off on what he is alleged to have done?
01:34From what we can say, he went to a shooting range in Thailand.
01:38That's something we can tell.
01:39The day we went to the beach, he was at the shooting range before that.
01:42He talked to you about a book by an author in India.
01:45Did he talk about that?
01:47He told us he financed the book and bought 400 copies of it and he told us that he printed
01:53a copy of the book, made his annotations on the book and met the guy in India.
01:57We obviously were like, why are you buying 400 books?
02:01Who does that?
02:03We asked him how much he spent on it because it's crazy and he said he wanted to support
02:07this guy.
02:08He wanted to support this guy because he wanted to give him feedback and this guy was getting
02:12in contact with him.
02:14He flew to India to meet this author?
02:17Yes.
02:18He did.
02:19Yes.
02:20Well, not only flew to India, but he went there to tell the author how he could make
02:25his book better.
02:26So there's an arrogance to that.
02:29Yeah.
02:30That he would feel that he could make, that he was, did he think he was going to go tell
02:34the author this and then he changed the book?
02:37Regardless, it is very clear that he had a, that obsession.
02:42By the way, we confirmed that.
02:44We talked to the author in India and he confirmed that he met with him for an hour.
02:47But the obsessive nature of that, to buy 400 copies of this, and we know that there's another
02:52book that he was also very in tune with.
02:55We talked to the author, we talked to the author about that book and it's really interesting,
02:59but I got to say that based on the conversations, especially with friends, there is this real
03:10sense that Luigi, even though his veneer was privileged and, you know, good looking
03:16guy and had all, you know, basically everything going for him, that beneath there was a mental
03:20illness and it's something that his mother said to me that is, it pretty much says it
03:29all.
03:30What she said to the FBI.
03:31Remember when the San Francisco PD got a picture of him as a missing person, you know, long
03:38before the murder and they looked at the wanted poster and they said, oh my God, these guys
03:44look the same.
03:45The San Francisco PD called the mother, his mother.
03:50Or they called the FBI.
03:51Right?
03:52And it was the FBI that called the mother?
03:54I think it was San Francisco PD.
03:57Okay.
03:58And, and, and asked about this, does it seem like your son?
04:02And her reaction was, well, it sounds like something my son might do.
04:08That says a lot, right?
04:10That says a lot.
04:12It does.
04:13But it sounds like there could be an insanity defense maybe that is in the offing for the
04:18way he'll defend himself.
04:19Look, it seems obvious now that he did commit this crime and whether he can get off, it's
04:23maybe hinges on this insanity defense, but I think we're a long way from that because
04:26you really have to prove that you can't appreciate the difference between right and wrong.
04:30And someone who's taken hold by an idea in some book and maybe writes some manifesto
04:34type things isn't necessarily insanity.
04:37Ted Kaczynski was this way.
04:38He obviously had some far out ideas.
04:41He's been convicted and sitting in federal prison since his crimes were on earth, uh,
04:44bombing several people over many years.
04:46So I'm not sure we'll get there with Luigi Mangione.
04:48Well, I think he has a more fundamental problem with the insanity defense, although his lawyer
04:53even mentioned before she took on the case, that would probably be his best defense.
04:57The other problem is that you have to prove you don't know the difference between right
05:01and wrong.
05:02Then why did he hatch such an elaborate plan to escape?
05:05Um, usually people who don't think it's wrong, don't go to the lengths he went to to cover
05:11his tracks.
05:12And also, and also part in setting it up, like even when he got to New York using this
05:16fake ID, which we also discovered in putting together this documentary, he was using that
05:21fake ID back in, uh, last summer, uh, during his travels.
05:26So, um, it's going to be, I don't know how this case plays out, but the way the case
05:32could really play out is you get one juror who is supporting him and there are a lot
05:37of people who are, um, and he gets, he or she gets snuck on the jury where they are
05:43not, their bias isn't revealed.
05:45Um, you're not going to get a conviction.
05:47Although that would be a mistrial and you could see them never letting him go.
05:50They would try this case again and again.
05:52He would have to be fully acquitted to walk free.
05:54I don't think you would let someone who is able to convince one juror to hang the jury
05:58to let him free.
05:59No, you're right.
06:00Um, but at least in, in the federal case, remember the death penalty is on the table.
06:04So if he can keep stalling that, it won't happen.
06:08NIO, San Francisco, California.
06:11Um, look, I have a favorite author too, but I am not going to buy 400 copies of their
06:18book.
06:19Like that's, that's excessive.
06:20That's a stretch for me.
06:21Like, do I gift it to people?
06:22Do I put it inside my garage?
06:25That's wild.
06:26But as far as his followers, I don't think that this is going to stop them from rallying
06:29behind him.
06:30I think that he reached this new stratosphere that they don't care, regardless of the evidence,
06:35they're going to stand behind him.
06:37Like right now, if he ran for president, they would probably vote for him.
06:40Uh, by the way, when you watch this documentary, that is exactly what you're going to see.
06:46By the way, it is on tonight at eight o'clock, seven central on Fox.