Is 190 million-pound case's verdict going to be in Imran Khan's favor?
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00:00Hassan, there is a common point that is being debated in Islamabad.
00:05On 6th January, the decision of 190 million will be made.
00:10The decision was to be made earlier, but then it was deferred.
00:14First of all, tell me, is that decision being made on 6th January?
00:18Because that will tell us.
00:20Obviously, the PTI people say that the government is very serious with us.
00:24So, let me hear that question first.
00:26So, how much impact will the decision of 190 million have on the success or failure of the negotiations?
00:36What do you think? What is the news, what is the analysis, what is the comment?
00:40Look, I am telling you this promise many times before,
00:43that it is at least impossible for me to predict about this judge.
00:48I cannot predict what decision this judge will give.
00:51And I am also telling you that this decision is not in the hands of the government.
00:55It can also be a favor to Mr. Imran Khan.
00:58If he sees any weakness in all these cases,
01:02he can also call Mr. Imran Khan a favor.
01:05And this will not be a favor to the government on Mr. Imran Khan,
01:08because he will really be a favor in that case.
01:11And he can also give a punishment.
01:13This judge is very unpredictable.
01:15There is no pressure from anyone on him, nor from the establishment,
01:19but there are some such judges.
01:21There are few these days, but there is one.
01:24So the question is that if the government clubs this,
01:29and supposedly thinks that Mr. Imran Khan is a big shot,
01:32and he thinks that he is the government's CBM,
01:34then it will be the mistake of the opposition party.
01:37And if they think that they will be punished,
01:39and if they think that this is done by the government,
01:41then this will also be their mistake.
01:43I am telling you very loudly and clearly.
01:45I am expressing this to you again and again.
01:47As far as the negotiations are concerned,
01:50you can see the seriousness of the government,
01:53and the seriousness of the opposition.
01:56But the matter is that I fear that the international chapter of justice for Pakistan,
02:02or Mr. Jibran Ilyas who is sitting outside,
02:04will hijack these negotiations.
02:06You can see at night, the kind of tweets they have made
02:09from Imran Khan's Twitter handle,
02:11they are saying that they are being suggested
02:14to shift to Benigala.
02:16We have been hearing for a year that
02:19if Imran Khan was being proposed to leave,
02:22then why were you making these demands for a year?
02:24First of all,
02:26the demands that you were making earlier,
02:28either that is a lie,
02:30or the tweets that you have made at night
02:32from Imran Khan's Twitter handle, that is wrong.
02:34But let me complete this first.
02:36The second thing is that these people are not spoilers.
02:39These people who are sitting are serious people,
02:41and they are present in Pakistan.
02:43But those people,
02:45who even Mr. Fawad Chaudhary is saying
02:47that if you want to reduce the distance
02:49between the establishment and the chapter of justice,
02:52then Imran Khan's Twitter handle,
02:54or PTA official's Twitter handle,
02:56both these handles should be brought to Pakistan.
02:58Because those people,
03:00I don't know in whose hands these people are made,
03:02they are spoiling from there,
03:03they are making weird kinds of tweets.
03:05Now the government,
03:07and the trust deficit between them is so much,
03:09that even serious people are sitting.
03:11They are saying that until the
03:13Charter of Demands doesn't come,
03:15we will not move forward.
03:17So this gentleman is tweeting from there
03:19that we are being offered to shift to Bani Gala.
03:21That is, you see,
03:23if the government is not trusting the
03:25declarations of the government,
03:27they are saying that they will not stand on one thing,
03:29you first give us in writing,
03:31then we will move forward.
03:33So there they are saying that there is some
03:35hidden agenda being sold there.
03:37Imran Khan sir, I will raise my voice with him.
03:39Hassan, your point has come.
03:41Look, the matter is that both sides are sitting.
03:43Bani PTI is present in the jail.
03:45Regarding the meeting with them,
03:47the government is saying that
03:49we will not interfere.
03:51Therefore, I was listening to Irfan Siddiqui yesterday,
03:53he was also saying that
03:55we have spoken in some television program,
03:57we have spoken to some social media,
03:59we will not even respond to it.
04:01So we will restrict ourselves to whatever happened inside the committee.
04:03So I do not buy this argument
04:05that someone will be spoiled from outside.
04:07Obviously,
04:09their Bani is sitting here,
04:11he is saying that I did not agree to this.
04:13How will the matter move forward?
04:15There will be no problem with the government.
04:17The problem will be with the PTI's
04:19discussion team.
04:21They come under the pressure of Ali bin Ghandapur.
04:23Hazrat Farooq is saying that
04:25Ali bin Ghandapur is coming forward as a leader.
04:27So Ali bin Ghandapur,
04:29what do you think about the discussions?
04:31Listen.
04:33Do you think that these discussions
04:35will lead to a decision?
04:37Look, Imran Khan sir has clearly said
04:39that these discussions are for Pakistan,
04:41for the development of Pakistan,
04:43and for stability.
04:45The attitude of the government,
04:47which you saw today,
04:49that it has entered a positive phase.
04:51Look, when there is a committee for discussions,
04:53then the attitude is such that
04:55they want to solve the problem.
04:57Absolutely right.
04:59When they are sitting,
05:01they are sitting for a solution.
05:03Now Ali bin Ghandapur is saying
05:05that the beatings that we get,
05:07they have not happened,
05:09nor will they happen.
05:11Therefore, the discussions will be based on this.
05:13Do you think that the two demands
05:15will be accepted by the government?
05:17Look, it depends on how I can say this.
05:19But I hope that Imran Khan sir
05:21has started this for Pakistan
05:23with determination and determination.
05:25So they should understand this.
05:27Because with the force of the stick,
05:29with the force of power,
05:31neither the victory of Tehrik-e-Ishaa
05:33nor the acceptance of Imran Khan
05:35can be achieved peacefully.
05:37Viewers, there was a very good development
05:39the day these discussions took place.
05:41A big news has been published
05:43in all the newspapers today.
05:45Do you remember that on 9th,
05:47the people who were included in Zehra,
05:49the decisions of the military courts,
05:51the Supreme Court made a law,
05:53the decisions were made,
05:55those who were punished,
05:57nine of them were such
05:59who had a two-year sentence,
06:01then they had a few months of time,
06:03then they had a few months of time,
06:05then they had a few months of time,
06:07then they had a few months of time,
06:09then they had a few months of time,
06:11then they had a few months of time,
06:13then they had a few months of time,
06:15then they had a few months of time,
06:17then they had a few months of time,
06:19then they had a few months of time,
06:21then they had a few months of time,
06:23then they had a few months of time,
06:25then they had a few months of time,
06:27then they had a few months of time,
06:29then they had a few months of time,
06:31should they be entitled to any leniency,
06:33should they be entitled to any leniency,
06:35this is a very big question,
06:37this should be thought about,
06:39that if they are still ready to repeat
06:41the 9th of May incident,
06:43then what is the excuse,
06:45they should not be excused,
06:47where the state of the country,
06:49the state of the state,
06:51the situation should be such
06:53that the violence should not only
06:55be seen as a punishment,
06:57should be seen as a threat again,
06:59there should be some leniency
07:01for the leaders of their own country,
07:03because this leniency has come
07:05from the Pakistani army,
07:07I think they will have to think
07:09about it again,
07:11of course they are requesting
07:13the military leadership
07:15that you did not take this decision,
07:17you should reconsider it,
07:19the leader of the opposition
07:21in the Punjab Assembly,
07:23In the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf as
07:25they call it, Malik Boucher,
07:27The extremist group within Muslim League Noon is very upset.
07:58If the negotiations do not succeed, God forbid, this country will be destabilized.
08:06We have the right to speak. We will go on.
08:10After the break, we will talk about the negotiations and the softness of Pakistan's justice system.
08:19Pakistan Muslim League Noon is a little upset.
08:23I will get the opinion of my panelists on this.