KHABAR Muhammad Malick Kay Saath | Grenell calls for Imran Khan’s release | ARY News | 24th Dec 2024
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:28The biggest news is that the latest interview of Richard Grenell, the nominated special envoy of President Trump for North Korea and Venezuela,
00:39but it seems that his entire focus is on Pakistan.
00:42You know that for many days, his different tweets were being quoted and re-quoted,
00:47and that he should directly release Haqeeq-e-Azadi and Imran Khan.
00:50But then it was a matter of tweets and posts.
00:54Today, he gave an interview, and that interview was very direct and very straight.
00:59He openly said that Imran Khan should be released.
01:02And he also drew a parallel in it.
01:05He said that fake cases were made against Imran Khan like Donald Trump,
01:11and there are false cases against him.
01:14And he speaks very straightforwardly like Donald Trump, he is against the establishment.
01:20And after saying all this, he also said that the nuclear program of Pakistan,
01:25he is also fully prepared to talk about it.
01:28And the Secretary of State, who is our foreign minister, Marco Rubio,
01:38he is also ready to talk about the nuclear program of Pakistan.
01:43And he also said that he is also ready to talk about the long-range missiles that can target the United States.
01:53But the entire focus was on Imran Khan.
01:56And all of a sudden, there was a sudden boom in Pakistan's politics.
02:02Because negotiations are salaried.
02:04And it is a fact that the government's plan until now was only to play these negotiations.
02:10We will wait and see.
02:12There will be a little peace.
02:14The offers that we made earlier to give Imran Khan better facilities in jail,
02:19the political prisoners will be released phase by phase.
02:24And the rest of the talks will continue.
02:26But now a serious situation has come.
02:28I would like to tell you about Rick Grenell.
02:30It is a two-minute interview.
02:32He has joined us in Morocco.
02:34We are very grateful that Mr. Khumadasi has joined us.
02:36He is the Federal Minister of Defense.
02:38And most importantly, he is also a former foreign minister.
02:41I will take his comment on this.
02:43And then we have Faisal Chaudhry and Rana Ishar Awazal with us.
02:47Please play this so that Mr. Khawaja can also listen.
02:51And then I will take his comment.
03:08It changes the position of how we deal with them.
03:12Pakistan is one of those countries that has nuclear weapons.
03:15We had a much better relationship with Pakistan during the Trump administration.
03:20When a guy named Imran Khan was the leader, Imran Khan was an outsider.
03:25He wasn't a politician.
03:27And he spoke in very common sense language.
03:30And he and Donald Trump had a very good relationship.
03:33And so I would like to see Imran Khan be released from jail.
03:37He is currently in prison.
03:39A lot of the same allegations, just like President Trump.
04:08Pardon my ignorance, Mr. Malik.
04:12I don't know him.
04:14You must know that he is a very important person.
04:17But I have heard his name for the first time in US politics.
04:21Before this, I had not even heard his name.
04:24And can you tell me which cabinet post he has?
04:28Mr. Khawaja, I will give you a total brief in 15 seconds.
04:33Richard Grenell was the Acting Director of National Intelligence in Trump's last government in February 2020.
04:41Before that, he was the Ambassador to Germany from 2018 to 2020.
04:47And then he was the Special Presidential Envoy for Serbia and Kosovo.
04:51Then he was in the United Nations for 8 years.
04:55You have seen a lot of world.
05:00And the mechanism of the government has been closely watched.
05:04All the names you have taken, do you think he will have immense influence in Trump administration?
05:14Sir, before his appointment, Donald Trump had tweeted a while ago that he is our star.
05:21And we will give him a very big position.
05:24And his name was with Marco Rubio.
05:27And one of them will become the Secretary of State.
05:30So he has become the Secretary of State.
05:33I think you will consider him to be an important person.
05:39I don't want to deny that.
05:42But he will be in the American context.
05:47He has a lot of important people in Pakistan.
05:53But what can his statement or utterances affect the health of Pakistan?
06:01Pakistan is a sovereign country.
06:03Pakistan has become a nuclear power.
06:06It's been 24-25 years now.
06:09And before that, Pakistan had already become a nuclear power.
06:13And there were a lot of pressures.
06:17There were a lot of administrations in which there was pressure on Pakistan.
06:25But Pakistan has already tolerated that pressure.
06:28Allah will do good.
06:29There is nothing to worry.
06:30We are a sovereign country.
06:33Sir, you are saying that his statements will have no effect on Imran Khan's trial?
06:41Definitely not.
06:44I totally and 100% deny that it will have any effect on Pakistan's politics.
06:52I am asking you because Marco Rubio will become the Secretary of State.
06:58And in July 2024, he presented a bill for defense cooperation between the United States and the Republic of India.
07:10That bill did not pass.
07:12In which he said that if there is evidence that Pakistan has supported someone in the Occupied Kashmir, Taliban and all this drama,
07:20then it should be sanctioned.
07:22There should be no training for Pakistan's defense.
07:24This is a very dangerous combo.
07:27No, I think you are overstating it a little.
07:33It is not that dangerous.
07:35Pakistan has seen a lot of difficulties for its nuclear program in 75-76 years.
07:40Pakistan has taken a stand on a lot of things.
07:43In the 1990s and early 1970s, Pakistan was sanctioned.
07:50In spite of this, we lost everything in two wars.
07:55One during General Zia's time and the other during General Musharraf's time for America.
08:00Therefore, our relations with America are absolutely fine.
08:05There is nothing wrong.
08:07I don't see anything wrong with Trump's administration.
08:17I don't see anything that could jeopardize the interests of Pakistan.
08:21But if Imran Khan's lobby has high expectations and all this speculation…
08:28I think our connection is broken.
08:35Let's try to talk to him again.
08:37Yes, your voice is gone, Mr. Dikwai.
08:40An administration is coming and there is no cabinet member in it.
08:48His statements are being given so much importance in the context of Pakistan.
08:54I think this is a bit too excessive.
09:00Imran Khan will go to court according to the law of Pakistan.
09:05The decision will be made.
09:07The accused will be imprisoned.
09:09The accused will not be imprisoned.
09:11This is our internal affair.
09:13As far as Rubio is concerned, he himself did not give a statement.
09:17His statement is based on his own knowledge.
09:20There are many people who have political and personal links.
09:28They are giving statements in their personal capacity.
09:31Pind Peda will be seen at that time.
09:34What do they say?
09:35There is still a month left.
09:37What happens?
09:38What does Trump do in this area?
09:41But one thing is certain.
09:44Imran Khan is an Israeli asset.
09:48And Israel has a very large lobby in America.
09:52Which has a lot of influence.
09:55That could support this thing that you are saying.
10:02But there is no such thing.
10:04Pakistan, by the grace of Allah, is in a position to protect all its interests.
10:11It can protect all its interests.
10:14Irrespective of who is in power.
10:21This is a series of events.
10:23The Pakistani people will do it.
10:25When military convictions were made, the European Union criticized it.
10:29The UK criticized it.
10:31Then there was a strong reaction from the United States.
10:34On the verdict of the military court.
10:36Then there is the development that Imran Khan is being talked about.
10:40Maybe there will be a military trial.
10:41Add these things.
10:43And then when this statement comes.
10:45The first thought was that Trump will come.
10:48If Pakistan and Khan have an issue, then it may not be a priority.
10:52But now the flag has become very prominent.
10:55So can't you get pressure from the Trump administration?
10:59Then I will insist that there is no such thing.
11:04They don't carry any weight.
11:06Look, the people who are criticizing Pakistan in any matter.
11:10I am talking about Western countries.
11:13What is their own character?
11:15There are thousands of people.
11:1750,000 people have been martyred in Gaza.
11:20Their conscience will not go.
11:22It is a matter of convenience for them.
11:24Their conscience will not go.
11:26And their conscience is on one man's imprisonment.
11:29This is not such a thing.
11:32Yes, there is a selective conscience.
11:36That's why we don't have to bother about it.
11:40Truth has its own value.
11:43Pakistan, by the grace of Allah, is named.
11:46Today is his birthday on December 25.
11:48The integrity of that person.
11:52By the grace of Allah, we don't have that much integrity.
11:54He had a lot of integrity.
11:56It will always remain.
11:59Whether it is Rubio or Grinnell or someone else.
12:02It is made in the name of Allah.
12:04He is the most powerful person who made this country.
12:07Sir, you talked about Israel.
12:10Israel is committing genocide because it can get away with it.
12:13Our situation is a little different.
12:15Why get away?
12:17You explain to me why it will get away with it.
12:20Why?
12:21Because the people whose names you are taking.
12:23The people whose names you are taking.
12:25Israel will get away with it.
12:28But if you look at Pakistan, nobody will get away with it.
12:32You are saying that this is a non-event.
12:38I don't want to answer you in Punjabi.
12:41After that, you can answer me in Punjabi.
12:43No, no, don't give that.
12:44Those who have trapped Pakistan.
12:46Do you understand what I am saying?
12:48Yes, I understand.
12:49Those who have trapped Pakistan, then they are there.
12:51Understand.
12:52Sir, one last question.
12:54One last question.
12:55What you are saying is that this is a non-event for the government, for the establishment.
13:02It doesn't matter at all.
13:05Not even I have to ask.
13:07It doesn't matter.
13:08The integrity of Pakistan.
13:10The security of Pakistan.
13:12It's number one.
13:14We will die, but we will not accept the pressure.
13:18Or the threats of the countries who have self-interest in Pakistan.
13:23Sir, I am not talking about the nuclear program.
13:26Where were you at that time?
13:30Obviously, there cannot be any compromise on the nuclear program.
13:34There is no middle ground.
13:36Now I am talking from Imran Khan's angle.
13:38You are saying that there is no impact.
13:44There, in the UK, underage boys have been given custodial sentences.
13:52In the riots there.
13:54Here, the prisoners who were there.
13:57I was against Trump.
14:00He was saying that I will come and release them.
14:02You keep doing it.
14:03That is their internal affair.
14:05We have nothing to do with it.
14:07But please.
14:08Truth has its own power.
14:11It is okay that a time has come when Muslims are being tested.
14:17But that doesn't matter.
14:19They can bulldoze us.
14:20No one can bulldoze us.
14:22Whatever issue it is.
14:24Whether it is a nuclear issue or anything else.
14:26No one can bulldoze Pakistan.
14:28The whole nation is united on one thing.
14:31I think the call got disconnected again.
14:37Are we connected to Mr. Khawaja?
14:39Yes, I am connected.
14:41Okay.
14:42Mr. Khawaja, I think you made it very categorical.
14:45Thank you very much.
14:46You gave us time.
14:47Thank you very much.
14:48Mr. Faisal Chaudhary.
14:50He said that you are jumping around.
14:53It is a non-event.
14:55It is a chilled out program.
14:57The Defence Minister looked very defensive.
15:01He was very aggressive.
15:02How was he defensive?
15:03No, tell them.
15:04Grinnell is not an SHO.
15:06He is not an SHO.
15:08He is not an SHO.
15:10There is no weight in what he says.
15:13He is very aggressive.
15:15He is very aggressive.
15:17He will not go there.
15:19And the kind of irresponsible statements he is giving.
15:23Who made Grinnell focus on Pakistan?
15:29Do you know who targeted the media house?
15:32And then he started it.
15:34Earlier, he did not do it.
15:36Okay.
15:37You should avoid these flying arrows.
15:42This is a matter of Pakistan's security, Pakistan's foreign policy.
15:46It is a matter of Pakistan.
15:47It is a matter of one party.
15:48What difference will it make?
15:49The possibility of negotiations.
15:51We will be more careful.
15:53As I remember, Khawaja Brijvi had a famous statement.
15:56He said, we will not give money to the IMF.
15:58And he said, if Gauri comes,
16:01what will you say to him?
16:02Come on, Grinnell.
16:03If you don't listen to us, come on, Grinnell.
16:05No.
16:06Sir, we have two things to say.
16:11On 9th May, 26th November,
16:14you should make a judicial commission.
16:17And you should release our political prisoners.
16:21By releasing them, I mean...
16:23They say there are no political prisoners.
16:25They say there are people in your criminal cases.
16:27There are no political prisoners.
16:29That is a propaganda.
16:32It is a false statement.
16:34You tell me,
16:36those who released the PTI,
16:39you declared them guilty in 9th May.
16:43Those who did not release them, you punished them.
16:46Shah Mahmood Qureshi was in Agha Khan.
16:48His wife was ill.
16:50And many other things.
16:52So, this is not politicised.
16:55This is not pick and choose.
16:57This is not polluted.
16:58No.
16:59Sir, I would like to say something.
17:01But you are saying,
17:02what do you think will be the impact of this statement?
17:04Two things.
17:05Khawaja Sahib says,
17:06I don't know him personally.
17:08If a person asks,
17:09how do you know him personally in the US?
17:11Who was your friend there?
17:13Do you know anyone there?
17:14They don't even know Khawaja Muhammad Asad.
17:16He won both in 18 and 24.
17:18He won both in Form 47.
17:20And both sides...
17:21Well, if they were there,
17:23they would have answered.
17:24At that time,
17:25you would have kept us off air.
17:27You are still trying to make friends with Khawaja.
17:29What is this friendship?
17:30Is this a defence minister issue?
17:31Is the nuclear programme being threatened?
17:33I will ask the defence minister.
17:35The nuclear programme is not being threatened.
17:37They are being threatened.
17:38They have named themselves nuclear.
17:40They have named themselves...
17:41What is this habit of the PTA people?
17:42They immediately blame us.
17:43What is this habit of theirs?
17:44Sir, we are not blaming you.
17:45We are being truthful.
17:46Talk to the defence minister.
17:47And talk to the other side.
17:49No.
17:50Tell me,
17:51the defence minister's speech,
17:53was it on your behalf?
17:55He said,
17:56he said,
17:57he said,
17:58that this is how it is.
17:59No, tell me this.
18:00He said,
18:01you are saying this.
18:02You don't know the history of Pakistan.
18:04You don't know.
18:05Bill Clinton has signed the deal
18:06with Mian Nawaz Sharif in Saudi Arabia.
18:08Who made the deal?
18:09Bill Clinton?
18:10That's right.
18:11That's right?
18:12Yes.
18:13So, the second time,
18:14he made the deal.
18:15Bill Clinton made the deal.
18:16No.
18:17He told the UAE people in Saudi Arabia...
18:18He has been taken.
18:19Send him before January 20.
18:20He is going to die.
18:21He has been taken.
18:22Come on, come on, Rana.
18:23You can talk to Rana Sir.
18:25You can talk to Rana Sir openly.
18:27Rana Sir has also nothing to do with the Qadar movement.
18:29He has nothing to do with it.
18:31No, I just want to ask you one thing.
18:33Please tell us Rana Sir.
18:35That Government plan according to Marwah Sir,
18:37he said that the programme has increased.
18:39But the plan made an example of you,
18:41which you used to play committee sides.
18:43Street will be peaceful.
18:45Things will get better.
18:47But whatever it is,
18:49such an important statement has been made.
18:51.
18:52With all respect, I disagree with Khawaja sahib because what is being said is not important.
18:59What is important is who is being said.
19:01And a very aggressive Trump administration is coming.
19:05They are provoking China.
19:07They are provoking the EU.
19:09You name it.
19:11They are provoking everyone in the world.
19:13And their people are coming one after the other.
19:15The issue has been flagged.
19:17Maybe it wouldn't have been a priority.
19:19But the issue has been flagged by the Trump administration.
19:21He is such a senior person.
19:23And Trump himself has said that he is our star.
19:26And we will give him an appointment.
19:28And he should be considered as a Secretary of State.
19:31So he is not a nobody.
19:33And there are direct implications.
19:35Will you all be forced to have meaningful discussions?
19:42In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
19:44Mr. Malik, first of all, I was laughing at Faisal Chaudhary sahib.
19:54You are so nervous that you forgot the name of America.
20:00No, no, the way Mr. Chaudhary was behaving.
20:04Now he is saying, run Chariya, the thunder is coming.
20:08Keep listening.
20:10The way Mr. Chaudhary was behaving.
20:12The way the Defense Minister categorically said,
20:16Absolutely not.
20:18We will not interfere in internal affairs.
20:20We will tolerate.
20:22And what was Mr. Chaudhary's attitude, Mr. Malik?
20:24He was saying, America has said it.
20:26They have to agree.
20:28America has said such a big thing.
20:30They have to agree.
20:32Think about it.
20:34These are the people who used to say that we are slaves.
20:36Now they are saying that Grinnell has said it.
20:38I don't know what will happen.
20:40I think the Defense Minister has told you very clearly.
20:44Look, this is Mr. Khan's internal matter.
20:48No matter how big the cannons are,
20:50but tell me,
20:52how long have we been trying to get rid of Afiya Siddiqui?
20:56Has she ever lied to America?
20:58That she listened to us.
21:00If our courts punish Mr. Khan,
21:02then what can they do?
21:04We can't do anything.
21:06Even the government can't do anything.
21:08I don't think it's a fair comparison.
21:10America is against Afiya Siddiqui.
21:12That is a very unbalanced trade-off.
21:14There is no pressure of Shakeel Afridi
21:16to leave or not to leave.
21:18There is a lot of pressure on you
21:20to leave Imran Khan.
21:22Firewalls have been set up in this country.
21:24X-Ban has been imposed.
21:26The internet has been destroyed.
21:28Businesses have been destroyed.
21:30There is a lot of pressure on you
21:32to leave Imran Khan.
21:34The internet has been destroyed.
21:36Businesses have been destroyed.
21:38Just because people can't
21:40debate on the internet.
21:42The weight of Imran Khan
21:44and the weight of Shakeel Afridi
21:46is for God's sake.
21:48Don't mix them up.
21:50No, no, no.
21:52Shakeel Afridi can't even be a councillor.
21:54You have taken up the entire election.
21:56Let me give you the comparison.
21:58Afiya Siddiqui has been punished by the courts.
22:00This is her position.
22:02We cannot give her a pardon
22:04because our law is the same.
22:06It is applicable here.
22:08If Khan gets convicted
22:10on 9th May
22:12or in any other case,
22:14then that's it.
22:16The law is the same here.
22:18Who will take a dictation
22:20on that?
22:22Is it really that simple?
22:24Listen to me.
22:26In our country,
22:28political cases are not made.
22:30Nawaz Sharif was also
22:32imprisoned.
22:34You said it was a political punishment.
22:36Technically, the court punished him.
22:38But it was an open punishment.
22:40You used to say
22:42that law is nothing.
22:44If Imran Khan is punished,
22:46then it is legitimate.
22:48If Nawaz Sharif is punished,
22:50then it is legitimate.
22:52If Nawaz Sharif can be removed
22:54and he has been removed,
22:56then it is done.
22:58If he can be removed now,
23:00then he can't be picked and chosen.
23:04At that time,
23:06there was a dictator in this country
23:08and he had his own courts.
23:10But to say that
23:12a dictation will come
23:14on 9th May
23:16and if you compare it
23:18with political cases,
23:20then how are they political cases?
23:22In 9th May, 25 crore people
23:24witnessed it.
23:26Nobody believes in it.
23:32Mr. Rana, then why are you
23:34afraid of the commission?
23:36Don't you trust the judges
23:38of the Supreme Court?
23:40Even now?
23:42The thing is that
23:44even if the commission is formed,
23:46its report has to go to the courts.
23:48It is an inquiry report.
23:50So call their bluff.
23:52Call their bluff.
23:54Call their bluff.
23:56No, no.
23:5890% of the case is over.
24:00Now let's follow
24:02the judicial commission.
24:06I am being asked to take a break.
24:08I am taking a break
24:10and leaving a question for you.
24:12If 90% of the case is over,
24:14if these are simply legal
24:16and criminal cases,
24:18then why are you in negotiations?
24:20Why did you call the PTI
24:22to negotiate?
24:24First, let the cases be heard
24:26and then decide.
24:28If they are criminals,
24:30terrorists, disruptive,
24:32then why are you talking to them?
24:34Don't talk to them.
24:36And if you can talk to them
24:38at this stage,
24:40then why can't the commission be formed
24:42at this stage?
24:44You are welcome back.
24:46Sir, tell me,
24:48are you over excited?
24:50No, sir.
24:52We are not over excited.
24:54Look, on a serious note,
24:56Imran Khan
24:58probably on November 7th,
25:00when he congratulated
25:02Donald Trump,
25:04he said that
25:06the stated position
25:08is that
25:10the case is over.
25:12The stated position is that
25:14we expect that
25:16the Biden admin
25:18had a bias against us,
25:20which was created by
25:22General Bajwa and Hussain Haqqani.
25:24As a result of that,
25:26Imran Khan's government
25:28and his personality were targeted.
25:30There was a constant pressure
25:32from the US on the Biden admin.
25:34After Trump, we expect neutrality.
25:36By the way, you are very smart.
25:38Now you have used the word
25:40Biden administration.
25:42Earlier, you used the word America.
25:44Now we will ask you,
25:46till yesterday, America was against you.
25:48Today, it is the same America
25:50that has supported you.
25:52You have already cleared it.
25:54Biden administration was different.
25:56Now Trump administration is different.
25:58We are smart.
26:00We know how to do it.
26:02It's a new day. It's a new politics.
26:04It's a new boss.
26:06He knows the way. He goes the way.
26:08The issue is that
26:10we have said that
26:12Imran Khan's statement
26:14will be decided in Pakistan.
26:16Pakistan's institutions
26:18will decide.
26:20We are only asking
26:22to be treated in accordance
26:24with the law and the constitution.
26:26There is a whole history,
26:28right from Punjab and KP elections
26:30up till now.
26:32But do you think that
26:34when you go to the negotiations,
26:36you will be told to be careful?
26:38No.
26:40The thing is that
26:42when you have a brief
26:44which is strong,
26:46we have a solid brief.
26:48We do not carry, unlike Rana
26:50a defenseless brief.
26:52Our brief is quite strong.
26:54Just one sentence, please.
26:56When we talk
26:58and say that
27:00there is PTI propaganda
27:02and lobbyists,
27:04these are not idiots
27:06who are running the world.
27:08When we talk to the US,
27:10to the British politicians,
27:12to the Europeans,
27:14they understand.
27:16You know that
27:18the ambassadors said
27:20Mr. Foreign Minister,
27:22do not dictate
27:24us the party policy.
27:26We know. We lived here.
27:28We have been hearing the shots
27:30throughout the night.
27:32These facts,
27:34like Mr. Khadija has said
27:36only one thing,
27:38the truth is against them.
27:40People have been killed here.
27:42Mr. Rana,
27:44Faisal has made you quiet
27:46by saying that
27:48till yesterday you used to say
27:50the US is absolutely not.
27:52Now you are happy with the US.
27:54He said that was the Biden administration.
27:56He was number two.
27:58Now it is the Trump administration.
28:00There are many roots of the game.
28:02There was no contradiction.
28:04There is weight to it.
28:06You are missing
28:08a lot of things here.
28:10The Biden administration
28:12or the American conspiracy,
28:14Mr. Khan himself refused it.
28:16The 200 interviews
28:18he gave to the international media,
28:20he did not even mention it.
28:22He first put it on Bajwa,
28:24then on someone else,
28:26then on some other things.
28:28Now he is putting
28:30a new twist of the Biden administration.
28:32Anyway, he also said
28:34that we are slaves
28:36and interference is unacceptable.
28:38Now he is saying
28:40that the US has
28:42given him a thapi
28:44or has made him an agent.
28:46I don't know what work
28:48the US has to do against Pakistan.
28:50This is what it seems
28:52from his words.
28:54Tell this.
28:56I want to give you
28:58one more angle.
29:00We are looking forward
29:02to working with
29:04the Trump administration.
29:06We will have good relations
29:08with them.
29:10We will strengthen
29:12our relationship with
29:14the US and Pakistan.
29:16What achievement did
29:18the Trump administration
29:20have with the US?
29:22They had annexed Kashmir.
29:24They had won the World Cup
29:26and were celebrating
29:28the good handshake
29:30and body language
29:32with Trump.
29:34A few days later,
29:36your Kashmir was annexed.
29:38Is this a tweet
29:40or a statement?
29:42Tell me this.
29:44Tell me this.
29:46I expect the government
29:48to say that there is
29:50no weight in this.
29:52That was expected.
29:54Do you think
29:56this development
29:58for the release of
30:00Imran Khan
30:02is a do or die matter?
30:04Will this be a deciding factor
30:06whether you will let him
30:08come out or not?
30:12First of all,
30:14when Khan was outside,
30:16he did not bring
30:18a revolution here.
30:20You did not see
30:22his long march.
30:24It lasted for 3 hours in 24 hours.
30:26Whether he comes out or not,
30:28will be decided by the
30:30Pakistani courts.
30:32The appeal rights
30:34will continue.
30:36It is a very simple thing
30:38to think that
30:40these negotiations
30:42are just
30:44filling the air.
30:46Everything will be fine
30:48The same America
30:50will pave the way for him.
30:52But I think
30:54these things will
30:56slowly become sad.
30:58We are waiting for
31:00the Charter of Demands
31:02to be brought on 2nd.
31:04Let's see what they demand.
31:06Have you met
31:08the negotiation committee?
31:10Rana Sanawala
31:12has been waiting for 12 days.
31:14The Speaker
31:16has been waiting for 12 days.
31:18No one listens to him.
31:20The negotiation committee
31:22has been waiting for
31:24a meeting with Imran Khan.
31:26Today, they have made
31:28an excuse for a holiday.
31:30I have been told that
31:32the negotiation committee
31:34is in power.
31:36If they are in power,
31:38then we are in power.
31:40If they are in power,
31:42then we are in power.
31:44If they are in power,
31:46then we are in power.
31:48If they are in power,
31:50then we are in power.
31:52If they are in power,
31:54then we are in power.
31:56If they are in power,
31:58then we are in power.
32:00If they are in power,
32:02then we are in power.
32:04If they are in power,
32:06then we are in power.
32:08If they are in power,
32:10then we are in power.
32:12Note it down.
32:42So basically now you are playing the American card.
32:46No, no.
32:47Along with the American card, we are saying that ...
32:49Are we slaves?
32:50Where did our slogan go?
32:51No, we are not slaves at all like you.
32:54Look, we are still free.
32:56Imran Khan has established it.
32:58You tell me that you are so attached to your people that you remember the annexation of
33:03Kashmir on Imran Khan after two and a half years, three and a half years.
33:08And before Trump's election, we had so many slogans on our Twitter account.
33:11The day Trump won, he sat down all night and deleted the tweets.
33:15They don't even know that Elon Musk has kept all those things.
33:18No one has deleted it.
33:19But you have thought about this.
33:21You have thought that if this Grinnell thing does not work, then what will he do with you?
33:28He is not ready to leave you before.
33:30The thing is, sir, that we simply, what do we want?
33:34We want him to do these substantial negotiations, these tough talks.
33:39So far, so far ...
33:40What does he have to give?
33:42What will he give?
33:43Or will he throw Imran out and go inside himself?
33:45No, he should change his policy.
33:47Rana Sonalan himself said in my program, he said,
33:49You are saying that if we throw him out, you will go inside yourself.
33:53No, if you have done things to go inside, then you will go inside.
33:56You don't do things to go inside.
33:58You see, while crushing a party,
34:01the London plan to crush PTI,
34:04you broke the constitution for that.
34:06You did not get the election done in 90 days.
34:08You snatched the symbol of the party.
34:10You plotted the party election with Form 47.
34:13You humiliated our workers, our leaders, our parliamentarians, their children, their homes,
34:18their women, our women workers.
34:21You humiliated them.
34:23You forced their dignity.
34:25You made about 300 false and fake cases against Imran Khan.
34:30You put his wife in jail for 10 months.
34:33You have put Imran Khan in jail for 525 days.
34:36You treated Imran Khan ill in October.
34:39You tortured him mentally to break him.
34:41You put him in solitary.
34:43What kind of cruelty did you do?
34:45And lastly, what happened on 26th?
34:47Tell me, what kind of cruelty did this government do not do to us?
34:52Then you say that you put your knees on our necks.
34:55And you say, why do you breathe?
34:57Look, Mr. Malik, we are injured.
34:59We have been treated unfairly by our people.
35:01Our workers are in Ranjho Alam.
35:03Our people have been martyred.
35:05Our people are missing.
35:07Where is Chavan?
35:09He says, Chavan.
35:11I agree with him.
35:12Where is he?
35:13It is his job.
35:14This is the state.
35:15This is the government.
35:16I have to take a break.
35:18I have to take a break.
35:19Let's answer Mr. Rana after the break.
35:21I am coming to Mr. Rana after the break.
35:28You are welcome back to the show.
35:30Mr. Rana, it is fine.
35:32I am sure that neither the Prime Minister, nor the General,
35:37no one can think about a nuclear program,
35:40nor will they ever compromise,
35:42because it is a matter of our survival.
35:44But this political equation is something different.
35:47Mr. Mian also agreed to what America said.
35:49There are ground realities.
35:51America is the biggest trading partner.
35:53It is a superpower.
35:54It has voting rights in the IMF.
35:59So, America can make a twist.
36:01Emotions are on their side.
36:03How can they resist?
36:05You have to plead on the Madrasa Bill.
36:10You have to go and agree to it.
36:12You have to listen to the Maulana.
36:14You have to sit in committees on everything.
36:16You have to participate in the People's Party in Punjab.
36:19It is a very fractured political setup.
36:23If you don't have an army,
36:25the government may not be able to function.
36:27This is a reality.
36:28In such a situation,
36:30you are not taking the American issue very lightly.
36:33You can see the involvement.
36:35Mr. Malik, you are assuming that this will be one-way traffic.
36:39It will not be one-way traffic.
36:41I told you that we are also looking forward
36:44that we will take Pakistan-America relations forward with the Trump regime.
36:49We also have to engage with this regime.
36:52Why will this be one-way traffic?
36:54An insider was saying that all your hopes are on Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
37:01He will save you.
37:03He is the buffer.
37:04He will make Trump understand.
37:06No, it is not like that.
37:08The current foreign policy of Pakistan and Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif
37:13has very good relations with all your countries.
37:17We will also have good relations with the new American regime.
37:21We will take Pakistan-America relations forward.
37:24I think Faisal has a point.
37:26He says that he has a lot to give.
37:29There are government-to-government dealings.
37:31Why should he be worried?
37:32The thing is that the seriousness of the matter is not being understood.
37:36Trump is another kind of a person.
37:39Unpredictable.
37:41He is unpredictable.
37:42What did Richard Grenell say?
37:44Read the lines and between the lines.
37:47He said that he has kept Imran Khan in the same bracket.
37:52They both have alpha male syndrome.
37:56He said that the same false allegations that have been put on him,
38:00he brackets them there.
38:02So a person who himself has been in false cases,
38:07he has a problem with Imran Khan.
38:09What if he misses the shot?
38:11The second thing is that he is saying that our foreign policy has very good relations.
38:17Okay, we have run out of time.
38:20One thing is clear,
38:22whatever is said in English,
38:24wind under the sails,
38:25definitely PTI has got wind under the sails.
38:28Whatever the government says,
38:30it is a matter of concern.
38:32This is Faisal's own opinion.
38:34But he is a very important member.
38:37He has also won the US National Security Medal.
38:40Nation's highest security award.
38:42There is weight in his words.
38:44And the issue has been flagged.
38:46And there has always been involvement in Pakistan.
38:49The government will have to really look at it very, very seriously.
38:52One thing goes in Imran Khan's favor.
38:54He said in English,
38:56sometimes you win simply by not losing.
38:59The government is still in power, everything is there,
39:02but the government has not won.
39:04Imran Khan is in jail, everything is there,
39:06but has not completely lost yet.
39:08And I think this is a development event
39:12that this trigger can go in any direction.
39:14If the government takes care of it properly,
39:16then there will be more friction.
39:19And if the government has mishandled,
39:21then probably this is the little break,
39:23which PTI knows.
39:25Whatever you say,
39:27Bill Clinton took Mr. Mian as well.
39:29And no one from the administration of Bill Clinton
39:31had spoken so openly
39:33that neither did he have any connection with him,
39:35nor did he openly say to set him free.
39:37So if he says round one, strike one,
39:40today strike one is in favor of PTI.
39:42Now let's see what happens next.
39:44Allow me to leave. Allah Hafiz.