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00:00As usual, we are joined by Mr. Haider Naqvi from Karachi, and Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain
00:19is with us from the studio in Islamabad.
00:22Mr. Haider Naqvi is with me.
00:24Ladies and gentlemen, we have been seeing for the last few days that there is a big news
00:29that is being debated a lot.
00:31On 13th December, a decision was made by the Supreme Court of Pakistan that those people
00:38who are under trial in Pakistan, the military courts there, their decisions should be heard.
00:44And they were advised that in the first week of January, the final decision will be made
00:50with the head of the 7th member bench.
00:53And when the decision was made, the 25 people who were present at the military courts,
01:06they will be punished for 2 to 10 years.
01:10After that, we are seeing that the pressure is increasing.
01:15How is the pressure increasing?
01:17First of all, we will talk about the big news of the day in Pakistan and outside of Pakistan.
01:24First of all, it is related to the same news.
01:27First of all, let me give you a reference of the Pakistani media.
01:31This news has been published in Express.
01:34Viewers, the loss of transparency in the trial.
01:37U.S. and Britain are encouraged to punish the military courts.
01:41After that, see the news of the world newspaper.
01:45U.S. and Britain are encouraged to punish the military courts.
01:50Viewers, see the news of Don.
01:53U.S. and U.K. echo European Union stance on military trials.
01:58Viewers, see the news of The News Today.
02:01European Union statement on sentences by military courts being reviewed.
02:05Foreign Office is saying this.
02:07And U.K. also expresses concerns over trial of civilians in military courts.
02:12Then there is Tribune.
02:14It is clear that the international media is also commenting on this news.
02:21Let's put that in front of you.
02:23There is news of The Washington Post.
02:26U.S. and U.K. criticizes Pakistani military courts.
02:29Convictions of civilian supporters of Imran Khan.
02:33Then we have Voice of America.
02:36Pakistan faces backlash over military courts.
02:38Convictions of 25 civilians.
02:42Then we have Associated Press of America.
02:46U.S. and U.K. criticizes Pakistani military courts.
02:50Convictions of civilian supporters of Imran Khan.
02:53Then we have Reuters.
02:56U.S. and U.K.
02:59European Union condemns military courts over sentencing of civilians.
03:06Then we have Arab News.
03:08U.S. joins U.K. and European Union in raising concerns over Pakistani military courts sentencing civilians.
03:17Ladies and Gentlemen,
03:19In the first part of the program,
03:21we will talk about the negotiations between Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf and Pakistan's current government.
03:29It is clear that all PDM's parties are present,
03:32excluding the JUF,
03:34especially the Pakistan People's Party and the Pakistan Muslim League.
03:38The question is,
03:40Is the international pressure building behind the negotiations?
03:46The European Union is a block of 27 countries,
03:54with which our trade is excellent.
03:58The sole superpower of the world is America.
04:03America is also showing its concerns.
04:07The U.K. is also close to our hearts.
04:11You know that we have a history with the U.K.
04:14The U.K. is in the UK.
04:16Pakistan, India and Bangladesh used to be the rulers of the Queen in the subcontinent.
04:23After that, Pakistan and other countries became independent.
04:26We are a commonwealth country.
04:28You must have seen and heard that
04:30Pakistan's ambassadors or diplomats go to commonwealth countries.
04:36They are called high commissioners.
04:38But when they go to a non-commonwealth country,
04:42they are called ambassadors.
04:44So, the commonwealth countries are all countries
04:47where the U.K. had a relationship in the past.
04:53My first question to our panelists is,
04:56are the good things that we are hearing
05:00the result of this pressure?
05:02Before going to the question,
05:04I would like to ask Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
05:07the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
05:09how did he address the Cabinet today?
05:11What kind of words did he use for Pakistan Tariq Insaaf?
05:14Please listen.
05:16We had our first meeting with the PTI yesterday.
05:19The next session is on 2nd January.
05:22The demand of national interests is that
05:24we should follow our national interests.
05:29If we keep this in mind and listen to this discussion,
05:32a national unity in the country,
05:34which is certainly very necessary,
05:37will be achieved.
05:39And our wheel of progress will turn fast.
05:43If we make decisions for the betterment of Pakistan,
05:47God willing,
05:49it will benefit the country and the people.
05:53History is in both hands.
05:55And I am sure that both parties
05:58will give peace and stability to Pakistan
06:01for the betterment of Pakistan.
06:05Mr. Shahbaz Sharif, I will start with you.
06:08Obviously, this is a question,
06:10an impression, as if,
06:12because this pressure is building,
06:14because of which this discussion is moving forward.
06:17Your friends, former President Rozar,
06:19the current leader of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf,
06:21Mr. Arif Alvi also said that
06:23you should have taken care of that as well.
06:26There is a great change.
06:28The stars have come into confluence.
06:30Domestic and international.
06:32It is not a matter of one and a half months.
06:34Mr. Khan will be relieved.
06:38I have come to know that
06:40you also know about some of the cities.
06:42Are these cities really united?
06:45He used the expression
06:47that local public opinion
06:49and international opinion
06:51have come together.
06:53According to him.
06:55So what do you want to ask me?
06:57I want to ask you this.
06:59You should ask Mr. Haider Naqvi and Mr. Hassan.
07:01No, I will go to them,
07:03but you are a guest here in Islamabad,
07:05so my wish is that
07:07I talk to you first.
07:09My question is that this question
07:11is becoming an impression.
07:13It is all about the perception.
07:15Perceptions are based on facts,
07:17not airy things.
07:21Please tell us about this.
07:23About what?
07:25This is a perception.
07:27These are facts.
07:29This is a perception.
07:31The government is under pressure.
07:33They used to say that
07:35this is a terrorist group.
07:37They should be treated like terrorists.
07:39Now they are saying that
07:41we can move forward
07:43towards a better future.
07:45I want to know about this
07:47perception. What are the facts?
07:49You want to know the facts.
07:51Are you upset?
07:53No, I am tolerating the facts.
07:55I am fine with it.
07:57Respected,
07:59since you have hinted
08:01that until yesterday
08:03you were saying this and that
08:05which you did not repeat.
08:07You did well.
08:09What is this?
08:11PTI and Bani chairman
08:13have been forced to sit
08:15face to face
08:17and talk
08:19on their agenda.
08:21They have already sat down.
08:23They are not going to sit.
08:25When I told you that
08:27they will be successful
08:29on this table
08:31or any other table.
08:33They have to be successful.
08:35Nobody can stop it now.
08:37Already,
08:39many countries have suffered losses.
08:41It is fine.
08:43Shabaz Shaif has said something very important.
08:45We should work for the benefit of the country.
08:47You, me, Hassan and Haider
08:49should also
08:51work for the benefit of the country.
08:53We should not
08:55try to
08:57take advantage of ourselves.
08:59We hope
09:01much before we are older
09:03by a couple of weeks,
09:05things will move in the right direction.
09:07Okay.
09:09Hassan, Chaudhary
09:11has said that
09:13there is only one table
09:15on which people are sitting.
09:17In Pakistan,
09:19when such agreements
09:21or negotiations have been made,
09:23it is obvious that
09:25behind closed doors
09:27things are happening.
09:29You are very well connected with reliable sources.
09:31If I ask you,
09:33it is obvious that
09:35there is a lot of commentary on this.
09:37Tell us about your impression.
09:39Also,
09:41what is your
09:43perception about
09:45yesterday's talks?
09:47Was it a serious effort?
09:49Would it continue?
09:51I was listening
09:53to Khan Abbasi.
09:55Both are not good intentions.
09:57Neither the government
09:59nor Pakistan are good intentions.
10:01It will be clear
10:03whether they are good intentions or not
10:05when the TORs are formed.
10:07The TORs
10:09have to reach a goal.
10:11Only after the TORs
10:13will we know
10:15the limits of their negotiations.
10:17If you are talking
10:19about external pressure,
10:21the lesson taught by Imran Khan,
10:23although his government
10:25fell from its own weight,
10:27he said that because it is an external conspiracy
10:29and there are people
10:31from Pakistan
10:33who joined him
10:35and became his operative part,
10:37now he has to give freedom to the people.
10:39He said
10:41that we are not slaves.
10:43We will do whatever you say.
10:45Absolutely not.
10:47I don't think the government of Pakistan
10:49has been pressurized yet.
10:51I don't think
10:53the government of Pakistan
10:55has been pressurized yet.
10:57I don't think
10:59the government of Pakistan
11:01has been pressurized yet.
11:03I don't think
11:05the government of Pakistan
11:07has been pressurized yet.
11:09I don't think
11:11the government of Pakistan
11:13has been pressurized yet.
11:15I don't think
11:17the government of Pakistan
11:19has been pressurized yet.
11:21I don't think
11:23the government of Pakistan
11:25has been pressurized yet.
11:27I don't think
11:29the government of Pakistan
11:31has been pressurized yet.
11:33I don't think
11:35the government of Pakistan
11:37has been pressurized yet.
11:39I don't think
11:41the government of Pakistan
11:43has been pressurized yet.
11:45I don't think
11:47the government of Pakistan
11:49has been pressurized yet.
11:51I don't think
11:53the government of Pakistan
11:55has been pressurized yet.
11:57I don't think
11:59the government of Pakistan
12:01has been pressurized yet.
12:03I don't think
12:05the government of Pakistan
12:07has been pressurized yet.
12:09I don't think
12:11the government of Pakistan
12:13has been pressurized yet.
12:15I don't think
12:17the government of Pakistan
12:19has been pressurized yet.
12:21If I may ask you about...
12:23If I may ask you about...
12:25I'm coming to you.
12:27If I may ask you about...
12:29I'm coming to you.
12:31You don't need to be fussy.
12:33If there is no pressure
12:35and there's no high moral ground
12:37by the opposition
12:39or any case or any faith
12:41It's about thieves, bandits
12:43and $190 million
12:45and this and that
12:47Who are you trying to fool?
12:49Why are you holding the position?
13:19The problem is that on one side she used to say that they are terrorists, they should be treated with terrorism
13:26Now they are welcoming her very well and Hassan is also saying the same thing on the other side, we don't believe it
13:32But anyways, Mr. Umar Yub and Mr. Asad Qaisar are saying that we have given them a chance, what do they say?
13:39Listen, after this I will come to you
13:42We have to get this country out of this crisis
13:44That's why we have given a way, let's see how serious the government is
13:48Yesterday our team told them that we will call you the government of Form 47
13:51There has been no change in our position
13:53We are giving a chance to the Mujahideen
13:55We want to see their intentions, how they want to move this forward
14:01Mr. Naqeeb, yesterday I also asked a question
14:04First of all, international pressure, because you also travel abroad
14:08You have traveled around Europe and there is a talk of pressure from abroad
14:13Because on both sides of Pakistan, I will say this, I will not say that the government is separate or PTA is separate
14:19If both sides are sitting like good children, then the question is whether the outsiders are telling them to stop
14:25Or they themselves have come to their senses
14:27And the rest, you have heard their statement that we are giving them a chance
14:31So from yesterday to today, if these developments have taken place, what is your opinion on this?
14:38What advice will you give to both sides?
14:40First of all, I will say to Mr. Omar Ayyub that he does not like the talk of Form 47
14:45He himself is on a stay order when he talked about giving Form 47
14:50Now PTI has two ways
14:55Or I can say this to the political system of Pakistan
14:59There are two ways to see the existence of PTI
15:02Either PTI increases this heat further and everything is over for everyone
15:09Or PTI reduces this heat and there is a way to get their demands in their power
15:16On one of these two ways, PTI will have to move forward
15:21And I think that making a way to come to power will be the way of wisdom
15:27But now when it is said again and again that the negotiations have started
15:32So from both sides, the leaders of PTI said that we are giving a chance, this is the government of Form 47
15:38Talking to the people of the government about what kind of allegations they have
15:45Now is not the time for this, you have gone far beyond this
15:48Now is not the time for taunting any party
15:51Now it is very important for you to know that you have gone far beyond that time
15:58In which you used to show each other down
16:01Now is not the time to show down
16:03Now is the time to stand together
16:05And the kind of political system in Pakistan
16:08Khawar bhai, you have been with us for a long time, Mr. Chaudhary, Mr. Hassan
16:11The government of any power here is not more than three and a half years
16:15Now three years are about to happen, from April 2022 to today
16:19About three years are going to happen
16:21Four to six months more, maybe something like this
16:23I am talking on the basis of the past, I am not saying that there is any news
16:28That it is not more than three and a half years
16:30So to talk about this, to announce this victory
16:33That now the decision has been made in our favor, now the table has turned
16:36So this should not give so much importance
16:40Because in Pakistan, every three and a half years it happens
16:43That the rulers or political parties change in waiting
16:47Look, my comment on this is that
16:51If these discussions are going to succeed, then it will be for Pakistan
16:55It will be for the state of Pakistan, no one's victory and defeat
16:59Obviously, the political parties want to give it their political color
17:04But the public has a political fight in Pakistan
17:07And the responsibility of the government is more than anyone else
17:11They have to improve the environment because they have the power
17:14Did you want to comment on this or should I make another statement?
17:17No, no, no, no, I am sorry
17:19Please, please, you should talk
17:21Sir, now I have forgotten, you should talk
17:23So I am sorry, next time, I will take care of this
17:26Now, who is on board?
17:29Because there is an objection on Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
17:32that this committee used to have 5 members, now it has 7.
17:36It has nothing in its hands.
17:38Yesterday, I was listening to Mr. Barrister Ali Zafar
17:42Yes, what Mr. Ali Zafar said, he was saying that
17:46we must have fun, but the final decision
17:49is not to lead the party, which is obviously present in Adiala Jail.
17:53Let me tell you very clearly that no team member can make a decision.
17:58All decisions will ultimately be made after asking Imran Khan.
18:02So if someone says that we should get such a mandate
18:05that we can make any decision and negotiate,
18:10this will not happen.
18:11What will happen is that the decisions will be tried to be resolved
18:15or achieved through negotiation.
18:19This is the role of the committee members.
18:23It is not their role to make decisions.
18:26Obviously, the political leadership in Pakistan,
18:31Mr. Nawaz Sharif, without his consent,
18:34the Mujahideen government will tell us that
18:36the Prime Minister can go back on a 15-minute notice by sitting on a plane.
18:39Mr. Irfan Singh told me this, I am coming to you.
18:42Yes.
18:43Is there a complete mandate of Mr. Nawaz Sharif
18:46for Adiala Jail, the establishment, and your committee,
18:48whose numbers are increasing?
18:50As far as Mr. Nawaz Sharif is concerned,
18:53it is obvious that such a large committee has been formed
18:56and a mandate has been given to it.
18:58This cannot be done without his approval.
19:00It is obvious that the Prime Minister has created and formed this committee.
19:04As far as the establishment is concerned,
19:06I personally do not know directly,
19:08but I do know that no one wants that matters
19:12of life, economy, and foreign affairs
19:16remain in turmoil or chaos in the country.
19:22Everyone wants peace and prosperity in the country
19:26and that we move forward with democratic values.
19:28Mr. Sadiq Sahib also said that,
19:30obviously, there is no drama,
19:32so it is not possible to put any obstacle in it
19:34or to spoil the atmosphere.
19:36Listen to what he is saying.
19:38There is no obstacle from any side.
19:40We talked about Mr. Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Shahbaz.
19:43We do not have any indication that we have not moved forward
19:47with good intentions and seriousness.
19:51We are not doing any drama or simile.
19:55We are not pretending that we are having a discussion.
19:58We are having a discussion,
20:00and we are doing it with full seriousness.
20:02We are doing it with good intentions and with an open heart.
20:05Even in today's discussion,
20:07we did not give any reference to the past.
20:11Our leadership advice is that
20:13you should try to resolve the issues
20:16and we will go as far as we can accommodate.
20:22Yes.
20:23First of all,
20:25my father was a member of the Panchayat.
20:29He used to come to the Jirgis.
20:31He used to sit in very big Jirgis.
20:33Both the parties used to tell each other
20:36to give the Jirgis the authority
20:39to write an affidavit.
20:41You will accept the decision of the Jirgis.
20:45Unfortunately,
20:46after the TURs were formed,
20:49whoever decides,
20:52then Mr. Nawaz Sharif will have to agree.
20:56And whoever decides on the committee,
20:58Mr. Imran Khan should also agree.
21:00Both morally and politically.
21:02And whoever backs out,
21:04supposedly,
21:05I am talking about Mr. Ali Zafar.
21:07If both of them decide on something,
21:11then if Imran Khan backs out,
21:13then Imran Khan is wrong.
21:15And if Mr. Nawaz Sharif backs out,
21:17then Mr. Nawaz Sharif is wrong.
21:19If you have made people sit,
21:22then you have given them a mandate.
21:24Or you have made them sit
21:26to eat tea and biscuits.
21:28Or you have made them sit to waste time.
21:30So, I disagree with what Mr. Ali Zafar said.
21:33Let's move on.
21:34Mr. Chaudhary,
21:35obviously,
21:36there is a big committee.
21:37All the representatives are present in the parliament.
21:40The question is,
21:41whether the committees on both sides
21:45are ready
21:47if they reach to some conclusion.
21:49But,
21:50what we understand,
21:52which is the politics of Pakistan,
21:54obviously,
21:55without the will of the party leadership,
21:57they will not have a mandate
21:58to do these things.
21:59But, I don't think
22:00there is any reform in this.
22:01Yes, sir.
22:02Mr. Guman,
22:03you are an Englishman.
22:05I am saying this to remind you.
22:11And note it down.
22:13Agents are never free.
22:15Agents are never free.
22:17We are in the same.
22:18Why?
22:19The mandate that Imran Khan has given them,
22:22even if they move an inch from it,
22:26Imran Khan will not listen to them.
22:29This is number one.
22:30Number two,
22:31and why would they be here and there?
22:33But, this happened.
22:35I repeated it to you earlier.
22:38When Shah Mehmood Qaishi's committee
22:40discussed the election dates,
22:44they were agreeing on the election
22:48after the budget.
22:50So, Imran Khan said,
22:51this is not acceptable.
22:52So, the vote was hushed.
22:54So, at this time,
22:55there are more issues.
22:57And, secondly,
22:59if there is a vote,
23:01it should not be on foot.
23:03The information that I have,
23:05there is information.
23:07Ghapshap or Bazaari,
23:09from here and there.
23:11The quote that you quoted
23:13from Arif Alvi,
23:14note that as well.
23:16Absolutely right.
23:18Mr. Nagri,
23:19to conclude this discussion,
23:22can you give us a chemical solution?
23:25Through your program,
23:27can you convey your pearls of wisdom
23:29to the people,
23:30that this is what needs to be done.
23:31So, the result of this committee will come out.
23:34Look, the biggest chemical solution
23:36is to look at the people.
23:38Where are the people standing?
23:39The state of the people,
23:41when you sit at the table of jokes,
23:44address those issues
23:47that the people are going through.
23:49I am not talking about political issues.
23:51I am talking about economic issues.
23:53And you have to go to the ground level,
23:56go to the public level
23:58and solve these problems.
24:00If you solve these problems,
24:02you end corruption,
24:04you destroy good governance,
24:06you destroy the government institutions
24:08that have become a fashion
24:10of bribery and harassment.
24:14You tell the political officials
24:16what their responsibilities are
24:18to take Pakistan forward.
24:20So, you don't need any speech,
24:22you don't need any social media team,
24:24you don't need any propaganda,
24:26you don't need any statement.
24:28The biggest statement is that
24:30you implement good governance,
24:32you end corruption,
24:34and this work should be done at the public level,
24:36whose benefits should be visible to the public.
24:39Yes, dear viewers,
24:41we have to go to the break now.
24:43After the break,
24:45we are talking about governance.
24:47The problem is that the state of Pakistan,
24:49Article 7 of the Constitution of Pakistan
24:51is very clear about what a state is.
24:53A state is formed
24:55by the representatives elected by the people.
24:57Parliament is called a state,
24:59the provincial assembly is called a state,
25:01the local government is called a state.
25:03All the processes behind
25:05the decisions of the local government
25:07have been summarized
25:09in the definition of a state.
25:11Therefore, the people are already
25:13directly engaged.
25:15Mr. Naqib is right
25:17that the current situation
25:19in this country,
25:21which we mentioned yesterday,
25:23is official data.
25:2540% of the population of this country,
25:27which is more than 10 crores,
25:29is below the poverty line.
25:31The definition of the poverty line
25:33is that you don't have
25:35enough resources
25:37for two meals a day.
25:3910 crores of people in Pakistan
25:41face this challenge every day.
25:43What is the international pressure
25:45coming from the European Union,
25:47the United States, the UK?
25:49What are they saying?
25:51How much life is there in it?
25:53Or are they just trying to build pressure?
25:55We will talk to our panelists.
25:57Stay with us.
26:01Welcome back.
26:03Viewers, on 22nd December,
26:05an announcement comes from the European Union.
26:07Let me put it in front of you.
26:09Pakistan's statement by the spokesperson
26:11on the sentencing of 25 civilians
26:13by a military court.
26:15The European Union notes with concerns
26:17the sentencing of 25 civilians
26:19by the military courts
26:21on 21st December.
26:25These verdicts are seen
26:27in inconsistent with the
26:29obligation that Pakistan has undertaken
26:31under the international
26:33covenant of civil
26:35and political rights.
26:37In line with article 14 of ICCR,
26:39every person is entitled
26:41to free and fair trial.
26:43You can see this.
26:45After this,
26:47the UK's
26:49Foreign Office
26:51comments on this.
26:53They also say that
26:55Foreign and Commonwealth and Development
26:57Office spokesperson said
26:59while the UK respects Pakistan's sovereignty
27:01over its own legal proceedings,
27:03trying civilians in military courts
27:05lacks transparency, independent scrutiny
27:07and undermines the rights
27:09to a fair trial.
27:13America Bahadur
27:15also commented on this.
27:17He also said
27:19on the sentencing of 25 civilians
27:21in a Pakistani military tribunal
27:23that
27:25our concern is that
27:27the military court's
27:29fair trial
27:31lacks judicial,
27:33independent, transparency
27:35and fair trial process.
27:37But first of all,
27:39our biggest concern
27:41which should be a concern
27:43is that
27:45the UK and US
27:47are expressing their concerns.
27:49The European Union
27:51has given a reference
27:53to ESP Plus.
27:55Let me tell you what ESP Plus is.
27:57It is a huge
27:59advantage to our trade.
28:01They are saying that
28:03because you have signed
28:05the European Union
28:07and the 27 conventions
28:09that you have signed with us,
28:11it is decided that you have to do this.
28:13If it is violated,
28:15you may have to wash your hands
28:17of the ESP Plus status.
28:19What are they saying?
28:21Let me tell you what ESP Plus is.
28:23What is ESP Plus status?
28:25How important is it for Pakistan?
28:27It is a generalised system of preferences.
28:29The development of the European Union
28:31is based on sustainable development
28:33and good governance.
28:35It is a commercial and
28:37progressive scheme.
28:39According to this,
28:41people can get their goods
28:43in European markets without duty tariffs.
28:45Let me explain this a little.
28:47You are hearing
28:49a lot about tariffs
28:51between China and the US.
28:53If you want to get something from a country,
28:55you have to put so much duty on it
28:57that it cannot be sent to you.
28:59Tariff-free markets
29:01of 27 European countries
29:03are available under this arrangement.
29:05In return,
29:07these countries have to follow
29:09the 27 international agreements
29:11on human rights,
29:13workers' rights,
29:15environment and good governance.
29:17There are three levels of this scheme.
29:19ESP, ESP Plus
29:21and Everything But Arms.
29:23The first level of the Pakistan scheme
29:25was ESP in 2002.
29:27The second level of the Pakistan scheme
29:29was ESP in 2004.
29:31However, after the WTO challenge,
29:33Pakistan's status was abolished.
29:35Pakistan got the ESP Plus status
29:37in 2013.
29:39However, Pakistan remained
29:41duty-free until January 2014-2017.
29:47For the first time,
29:49the status of ESP Plus
29:51was extended to 2023.
29:53According to the Ministry of Commerce,
29:55after getting the ESP Plus status,
29:57the European markets
29:59saw a 65% increase
30:01in Pakistani exports.
30:03This is a very big figure.
30:05Pakistan exports
30:07to Europe
30:09for $8 billion.
30:11We get $5 billion from there.
30:13If we trade off,
30:15our surplus is $3 billion.
30:17We earn $3 billion.
30:19In this way,
30:21Pakistan gets a surplus of $3 billion.
30:23If the 27 international conventions
30:25of the European Union
30:27are not followed,
30:29it will be difficult
30:31for the European Union
30:33to get the ESP Plus status.
30:35Starting with,
30:37one by one,
30:39I was watching
30:41an editorial
30:43written by
30:45Haider Nafis
30:47from the Daily Times.
30:49He said that
30:51there is a lot of criticism
30:53on the military trials.
30:57The question is,
30:59were the people who attacked
31:01civilians?
31:03The trial was conducted
31:05in the military courts.
31:07Of course,
31:09you can challenge them
31:11in the civilian courts.
31:13The Peshawar High Court
31:15also made some decisions
31:17in the military courts.
31:19Mr. Naqvi,
31:21since you travel the world,
31:23especially from the European Union,
31:25how serious
31:27is their warning,
31:29threat,
31:31or concern?
31:33First of all,
31:35there is nothing
31:37greater than national security.
31:39When we were testing
31:41nuclear weapons,
31:43there were similar threats,
31:45but national security was our priority.
31:47When Mr. Imran Khan
31:49came to power,
31:51a campaign was launched
31:53and it became a national campaign.
31:55Now, I want to show
31:57the Western powers
31:59and the PTI a little back.
32:01I want to ask the European Union
32:03or the Americans or the British
32:05or whoever is giving such statements,
32:07that despite the fact,
32:09let's talk about what is the proof
32:11and what is not,
32:13who is innocent and who is not.
32:15If they were arrested,
32:17where would their case go?
32:19You are fighting a war
32:21against terrorism
32:23against the Taliban.
32:25You took their facilitators
32:27from here,
32:29who were also civilians,
32:31because you said that
32:33they are supporting terrorism.
32:35This is a threat
32:37against the security of a country
32:39or the world.
32:41Now, I say the same thing
32:43to the British.
32:45Were there no cases of civilians
32:47in the military courts in your time?
32:49Were there no punishments
32:51in the military courts in your time?
32:53Of course,
32:55it was extended
32:57with a two-year sunset clause.
32:59Anyway, this is worth it.
33:01So, Hassan,
33:03do you have a clear answer
33:05from the government?
33:07I am laughing.
33:09Why?
33:11Because
33:1340,000 people died
33:15and the human rights violations
33:17that we have not seen
33:19in your recent history
33:21and people's faces stand up.
33:23I dare not say a word about it.
33:25This is America,
33:27this is the European Union,
33:29this is Britain,
33:31so much hypocrisy,
33:33you have kept a parrot's eye.
33:35This is basically
33:37what Israel said,
33:39that there is an economic attack
33:41and Operation Goldsmith has also been launched.
33:43So, if you add all these things,
33:45then these are the
33:47Pakistan-opposing forces.
33:49Now, look at one more thing.
33:51After the second APS,
33:53the government had decided,
33:55that your GSP plus status
33:57will end.
33:59They said that they will execute
34:01black warrants.
34:03They killed our children.
34:05They said that they will execute
34:07black warrants.
34:09They said that they will execute
34:11black warrants.
34:13They said that they will execute
34:15black warrants.
34:17They said that they will execute
34:19black warrants.
34:21They said that they will execute
34:23black warrants.
34:25They said that they will execute
34:27black warrants.
34:29They said that they will execute
34:31black warrants.
34:33They said that they will execute
34:35black warrants.
34:37They said that they will execute
34:39black warrants.
34:51Chaudhry Gulamshah,
34:53on this
34:55what is Mr.Ali's opinion,
34:57his point of view on these affairs.
34:59We should keep the
35:01convention ratified.
35:03the law, when you ratify it, you accept it, not just sign it, but make it a part of the
35:10law by ratifying it, then it is the responsibility of the state that you follow it, if you don't
35:17follow it, then you will violate the international law and all those treaties that are different,
35:24then other countries can also tell you that whatever agreements we have made with you,
35:29we do not accept because you yourself have violated this treaty, so it has a very serious
35:36impact.
35:38Ladies and gentlemen, please give us a break, after the break I would like to have a comment
35:43from Mr. Chaudhary.
35:46Welcome back, Mr. Chaudhary, the decision, now it is conditional, the Supreme Court of
35:51Pakistan is on it, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
35:56the Supreme Court of Pakistan is on it, the final judgment which is expected in the first
36:01week of January, the Supreme Court of Pakistan is on it, the final judgment which is expected
36:06in the first week of January, the Supreme Court of Pakistan is on it, the final judgment
36:11which is expected in the first week of January, the Supreme Court of Pakistan is on it, the
36:16final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which
36:21is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
36:26first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
36:31the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
36:36which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
36:41first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
36:46the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
36:50which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
36:55first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
37:00the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
37:05which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
37:10first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
37:15the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
37:19which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
37:24first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
37:29the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
37:34which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the
37:39first week of January, the final judgment which is expected in the first week of January,
37:44the final judgement which is expected in the first week of January, the final judgment
37:49which is expected in the first week of January,
37:54What do you think is our right that cannot be snatched away from us?
37:58That the elders sitting in Islamabad and Babur politicians do not understand?
38:03I will become your representative and go to the National Assembly and fight for it.
38:09Today he repeated his point again. Listen to this too.
38:12What is our infrastructure?
38:14What are our open spaces?
38:16What is our public domain?
38:17What is our town square?
38:19That is your internet.
38:21That is your digital space.
38:23Your infrastructure is no longer a motorway or a shorterway.
38:27Ladies and gentlemen, we hope that what Mr. Balawal Bhutto-Zardari is saying
38:31is understood by his allies as well.
38:33That is all for today. We will meet you again tomorrow. Allah Hafiz.