" Civilian Ka Trial Military Court Mein Nahi Hona Chahiye "
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00:00Okay, now I want to talk about 9th May, because you both are lawyers, and obviously, as politicians, you both have a stake.
00:08On the 9th May incident, 25 people have been sentenced, but the ISPR press release states that
00:16until or unless the masterminds are not brought to justice, this justice is incomplete.
00:24Now here comes the law of Pakistan, in the sense that can a civilian be tried in a military court or not?
00:36There is a certain stance of PTI, but we have the law to actually try the civilian in a military court.
00:44In your view, the 25 people who attacked the military installations, was their punishment justified?
00:52There are four aspects to this. First, if someone has broken the law, then he should be punished.
01:02But the second aspect is that the court that tried them, did they have the right or should they have been tried?
01:18So my opinion is that the civilian should not be tried in a military court.
01:26Here I am speaking with clarity. First, if someone has committed a crime, whether it is Zahid or Bakar,
01:34he should be punished. This should not have happened. This is wrong, what happened on the 9th May.
01:40But the second thing is that his trial in a military court, if he is a civilian, then he should not be tried in a military court.
01:47This is my opinion.
01:50And the third thing with this is that whether the material, the judgment has come forward,
01:57because the detailed judgment does not happen on the military court site,
02:01so now if the judgment still comes forward, then it can be guessed whether there is such material
02:10against the people who have been punished, whether it exists or not. This will be the next question.
02:17The videos that have been released, whether it is based on forensics or based on admission,
02:29or whether the method of establishing the evidence has been established or not, again this question will remain.
02:38And then the last question, the fourth thing is that the discussions that were going to take place
02:44between the government, the treasury and the PTI, will it benefit or harm him?
02:52These four things will have to be kept in mind.
02:55Apparently, the fourth thing, whatever it is, you should tell him not to attach it with the first thing
03:02that whoever has committed a crime should be punished.
03:05That's exactly what I was going to do.
03:35If there is friendship with someone, then that friendship is our friendship with all his evils.
03:40If there is enmity with someone, then there is enmity with all his goodness.
03:45So this kind of romance in our East is a very bad thing.
03:51So far, we have not adopted this good thing of the whites,
03:59that they separate his bad deeds and separate his good deeds.
04:04The discussions that were taking place.
04:06But the damage of this will certainly be caused according to our own environment.
04:13And maybe, God forbid I am wrong, but maybe the backdoor channels that were being used by the government and PTI
04:25will not be able to move forward.
04:27Senator Kamran, you have raised a very important point.
04:29Salman Akram Rajan has said that we believe that the civilian should not be trialled in the military court.
04:37But we will continue the negotiations.
04:40Is Senator Kamran's concern that these negotiations should not be put in any way in a way that it will be put to a standstill?
04:48Does the government think that this can happen?
04:51Can it be put to a standstill?
04:52And if it can be put to a standstill, then is there any solution to it?
04:55Ms. Anika, the first thing is that if the purpose of the negotiations is to avoid the 9th of May,
05:02then there is no point in the negotiations.
05:04You can negotiate.
05:06Negotiations should be done on all things.
05:09It should be all-encompassing, on the wider and the broader end of the spectrum.
05:13But there is one clarity here that there should not be any kind of deal or delay on 9th of May.
05:20Or the mention of 9th of May in the negotiations.
05:23Because there can be talks on the extent of the 9th of May Commission.
05:26But from 9th of May, it cannot be said that the government or the state can intervene.
05:32So you are saying that if the PTI demands that a judicial commission should be made or a commission for inquiry should be made,
05:39then can the government say yes to that matter?
05:42Look, there can be talks under discussion when the members of the committee on both sides...
05:47First of all, I will take a step back from this.
05:50Here, we are giving the formation of the committee on our behalf.
05:53And we want that there should be a reflection of the members of the committee.
05:57Will this committee come on Monday?
05:58It is expected.