El avión que se despistó y explotó en San Fernando, dejando como saldo la muerte de sus dos pilotos, era un Bombardier Challenger 300LV-GOK, perteneciente a la familia de Jorge Brito. Este tipo de aeronaves se usa como jet privado y es uno de los más fiables.
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00:00Look, there it is, in the security camera.
00:05There it is, look at it.
00:07This is the video of the day, we are watching it with Jorge Polanco.
00:10Jorge, there you see the plane that leaves the runway,
00:15that goes by, what do you see from your lens?
00:21The first thing we can observe is that it tried in some way
00:27not to follow the trajectory of the runway.
00:30You don't know it, but there is a ditch there.
00:33It tried to avoid that ditch
00:36and ride, let's say, on the trajectory of the street,
00:40but the excess of speed could not stop it.
00:42Why doesn't it take off?
00:44And that's a good question.
00:46Because it was one of the alternatives,
00:48take off and counteract that the runway was ending, right?
00:53It's a good question because there are two pilots
00:57and one of them should have had that reaction.
01:01And force the other to do it.
01:04Well, with that one can assume that they had some physical inconvenience?
01:13We cannot rule out anything.
01:15Let's understand that until they remove the two audio boxes
01:21of everything that the plane did technically,
01:24which is what we commonly call with the black boxes, which are two,
01:29there we will know if there was any kind of conversation between them
01:34and if, in addition, the speeds that are registered
01:40and with very, very exaggerated parameters and very high
01:44officially by the flight radar will be corroborated.
01:47Ara Jorge, why would a plane go at a high speed at this stage of the flight?
01:56And it's also a good question because it's talking about
02:00that there is no what is called a stabilized approach.
02:04And by not having a stabilized approach,
02:07the plane was close to the runway at a speed that was more than 300 kilometers
02:13when it should have been at 150.
02:18Let's see, what Jorge says, I heard it from other specialists
02:23regarding speed and regarding this that Mariano asked you about,
02:26that they should have taken off again.
02:29These are two basic things that one understands for two highly experienced pilots,
02:34as many who were in front of the ship said.
02:40That's why I ask if something could have happened to them.
02:44We can't rule it out.
02:46We can't rule it out and we also have to understand that
02:49the remarkable thing is that there were two,
02:51it's not that there was only one on command.
02:53There were two, both are perfectly skilled
02:57and at least one or the other has to set a limit to say
03:01this we are not going to stop the plane at this runway length
03:05because the plane just touched the middle of the runway.
03:08How much do you need to go back up with the plane?
03:11No, with the speed he had, he didn't need much.
03:14The plane was going to take off quickly.
03:17That's why it's understandable.
03:19But you don't have the brake flap in place yet?
03:23No, the plane, to land, needs a brake position, right?
03:30Brake, flap.
03:32And also if it has automatic, automatic brake, a position.
03:38Now, at the speed they tried to touch the runway
03:43and we don't understand why they didn't make an escape before.
03:48In other words, there is no natural reasoning for a pilot,
03:52as you say, with experience, to see why he gets to that
03:56situation so committed with a plane on a runway that does not have
04:02the dimensions of a large international airport,
04:05but has 1,700 meters that runway.
04:08And they had already flown over half the runway, almost 800 meters.
04:13Is that a human error?
04:15Always.
04:16That is, having landed in the middle of the runway
04:19and not at the beginning of the runway is a human error.
04:21A human error with a very large error of appreciation.
04:25But an experienced pilot can have that error of appreciation?
04:30I understand, there is no explanation, but it should not be.
04:34But they had it.
04:36It is a basic principle.
04:39We can, I repeat again, when they take out the two,
04:44the investigation board takes out the two boxes
04:47and we can know effectively beyond the information that already exists,
04:52that already exists and that is really compromising from a technical point of view.
04:58Unless something has happened inside the cabin that we do not know,
05:03it is very difficult that they have not tried to do what is called a go around.
05:09And in the go around, there is the plane.
05:13Look.
05:15There it is.
05:16But look, what we are seeing now on the screen,
05:19and lower it a little bit, lower it a little bit so that we can see the path, you see?
05:24Here is Buenos Aires, we go to the right, which looks like Punta del Este.
05:29OK.
05:30Yes, of course, good, but what we are seeing is the plane crash, yes?
05:34Upload it, upload it.
05:35Now we are going to ...
05:37Upload it, upload it.
05:38Jorge, is there any possibility that there was a technical failure?
05:43We cannot rule it out, but it is the least likely.
05:46Why?
05:47Because the plane is a modern plane, it is in very good maintenance,
05:51it is a plane that really has very good conditions to fly,
05:59and that with people who supposedly, with the experience that these two boys had,
06:05should not have reached such a compromised situation.
06:08What are we seeing?
06:10Can you graph us?
06:11We are going to move forward so that it can be seen.
06:14What you are seeing on the right of the screen is Punta del Este,
06:18the airport, what is it called?
06:20Laguna del Sauce.
06:21Laguna del Sauce, the plane taking off, yes?
06:24This is the downwind, I don't know what it's called, I don't have the technical words.
06:27That is the trajectory that the plane made,
06:29on a direct flight to La Plata,
06:31from La Plata the descent began, and already ...
06:34Ah, the different colors are height?
06:36Yes, and they are related to the speed that it should maintain.
06:41Below a certain altitude, the planes cannot have more than 250 knots,
06:46and they were exceeding that at some point,
06:50look, 365, 350 ...
06:53Let's see, stop it there, stop it there, stop it there.
06:55Here you have it, 350 knots.
06:58There, and look, please, where the plane is.
07:02They are ...
07:04There, there.
07:06They are going down, they are going down,
07:08they are going down at a very high speed,
07:11below 10,000 feet, they cannot exceed 200.
07:14Well, there I fight you a little, there I fight you.
07:17And if there was a technical flaw that gave them a reading of the speed,
07:22and it was another, which is something similar to what happened with the Austral plane,
07:26do you remember the one of Fray Ventos?
07:28No, but we are ...
07:29The pilots never found out that they were falling in a pinch, for example.
07:32The Austral issue, I know it well, because I was ...
07:35There was a pinch.
07:36I was the head of the fleet at that time,
07:38and in Austral, at that time,
07:41those planes had not been made,
07:44nor the maintenance that should have been done,
07:49but it was also indiscipline in flight.
07:53The co-pilot takes out the flap,
07:56thinking that they were coming at a very low speed,
07:59in reality what they did not have in the speedometer indication,
08:01they were coming at 400 knots.
08:03And here the speedometer could not have failed either?
08:06No, no.
08:07I would tell you with almost 99% that it is impossible,
08:11because they have duplicated everything redundant,
08:15and the truth is that, well,
08:17I think they were in a hurry,
08:19they wanted to do something in a hurry,
08:21it could be, but what we do not know what happened ...
08:24See, what Jorge is saying is important.
08:27They were in a hurry.
08:29Pay attention to this.
08:32What is very clear,
08:34it seems to me that from the data you are giving,
08:37at what speed, when it goes down,
08:40this plane should have gone more or less?
08:44By what is standard, at 250 knots.
08:48How high?
08:49Below 10,000 feet, at 250 knots.
08:52Leave it there, leave it there.
08:54Pause it please.
08:56We are at 7,000 feet at 274 knots.
09:01Yes.
09:02What reading do you do?
09:04And they come overspeed, obviously,
09:07but a few moments before they were at 300 knots.
09:11At what height do you say?
09:14Below 10,000 feet.
09:16Let's go to 10,000 feet, please.
09:18You can take it back, thanks to Ale and our technical team.
09:21There it is.
09:22Look at the speed it has there.
09:249,550 feet.
09:25Ground speed, 350 knots.
09:28And they have to go at what speed there?
09:30250.
09:32Is it a third more?
09:34It is a great point that we are understanding now.
09:37Yes, of course.
09:38It is a great point that Jorge Polanco is giving us
09:41this afternoon here at A24.
09:43Obviously they were coming at a higher speed.
09:46What was the reason?
09:48Surely the black box can give you that.
09:51Correct.
09:52And the voice recorder.
09:53The voice recorder that will give you everything they talked about
09:56in the last minutes in the cabin,
09:58and the black box that will tell you,
10:00the flight recorder that will tell you the power,
10:03the altitude, all the other data that already appears here.
10:06This is ADS-B.
10:08ADS-B, this equipment that represents it
10:11and records you on the radars,
10:13appeared after the Malaysian 370 disappeared,
10:16which we never knew where it went to stop.
10:18This was made mandatory in the United States
10:21to be able to enter American territory.
10:23They know at all times where you are with the plane
10:26and what you are doing.
10:27Sure.
10:28So as not to lose it.
10:29Let me ask you again.
10:30The production was passing me the name of a piece of the plane
10:35that could have failed, as if it were the speedometer.
10:38Sure, but more than fail ...
10:39Could the speedometer have failed?
10:41Let's see, I ask you in Creole.
10:42And they don't realize, it seems to me.
10:44They don't realize?
10:45If you fail the speedometer, as you say,
10:50they have on the screens that the plane has,
10:55they have geo-satellite positioning
10:59and they have the true speed in relation to the Earth.
11:03If you don't have the instrument,
11:05you look at the screens and you know the speed you are having.
11:08Unlike an accident 20 years ago, you have this possibility.
11:11Sure.
11:12Today technology helps us terribly not to make mistakes.
11:17Sure, sure.
11:19Sure.
11:21Could a brake have failed?
11:25Not because they tried to land.
11:28Already with half the runway,
11:30if we keep moving forward,
11:32extend the plane so that it continues to move forward,
11:38you will realize that speed reduction begins.
11:42Sure.
11:43It will reach the runway head.
11:46Sure.
11:47At an exorbitant speed.
11:49Because it was at…
11:50There it rises.
11:51It is rising.
11:52There it rises, look.
11:53Already reaching the head.
11:54It is again at almost 300 knots.
11:56At 3,800, 280 knots is a lot?
12:00A lot.
12:01A lot.
12:03How strange.
12:04No, no, look.
12:052,000 feet, 280 knots.
12:07It's a lot.
12:08A lot.
12:09A lot of speed.
12:10Something happened.
12:11There it began to reduce.
12:1275 feet, look.
12:14And well, there it crashed.
12:16Sure.
12:17227 knots, 700…
12:20700 feet are 200 meters.
12:22Nothing.
12:237 times 3 is 21.
12:253 times 3.
12:26And the speed of 227 knots is 300 and something kilometers.
12:30It's crazy.
12:31How many kilometers are 220 knots?
12:33More than 300 kilometers.
12:35Sure.
12:36It was like taking off.
12:37It was like taking off on landing.
12:39That's the strange thing about this,
12:41and it makes us talk to Jorge Polanco,
12:43who understands the subject.
12:45Yes, of course.
12:46Because it will be useful for the investigation.
12:48He's an aviation consultant, he's a commander.
12:50Jorge.
12:51The Polanco incident that we all remember, right?
12:55Does the control tower warn you about this?
12:58The control tower can see that the displacement of the aircraft is fast,
13:01but it has neither the power, nor the authority,
13:04nor the ability to determine whether it will land well or badly.
13:07Still, at least.
13:09Unless they tell them they have a problem,
13:11that they didn't say anything.
13:16Yes, for the thing that the unknown is raising.
13:18The production tells me that it is 400 kilometers per hour, 227.
13:21That's crazy.
13:22It's an extreme speed.
13:25Obviously, either there has been a situation of underestimating the speed,
13:32or the plane failed and the pilots didn't realize it.
13:37Look, I would tell you...
13:40I'm not going to take it as true.
13:43In a note that I was a little while ago,
13:46someone said that there was a possibility that the pilot had said
13:51that he had had a kind of news of something that emotionally impacted him.
13:59And we can't stop thinking,
14:02as an extreme,
14:04because this is closer to a suicide than anything else.
14:08Because no one is going to try to land a plane at that speed,
14:12in those conditions.
14:14Sorry, but the suicide could have happened at the airport.
14:17Yes, but when you are mentally collapsed,
14:21maybe you don't realize that a lot of things are happening to you,
14:24and that's what I'm saying.
14:25There was no situational awareness
14:27that with a plane at more than 200 knots,
14:30try to land on a 1700-meter runway.
14:33It's crazy.
14:34And the cell phone?
14:37The use of the cell phone.
14:38For what?
14:40The cell phone causes crashes on the routes.
14:44It causes a collective crash.
14:46I say, why not think that a pilot was with his cell phone?
14:50No, I don't think so, because the two of them are not going to be with their cell phones.
14:53One of the two must have realized that they were in a totally abnormal situation.
14:57Totally abnormal.
14:58Jorge, let's see, we never fly a plane,
15:01and every time we get on a plane, we live in an absolutely tense situation.
15:04Aeronautical culture.
15:05The planes fly or operate.
15:07They are not handled.
15:08Well, sorry for ...
15:10No, no, no, you don't have to know, but I love you.
15:13Those of us who have a profession and do it every day,
15:17there are certain things that we are used to
15:19and we do it almost as an automatic pilot.
15:21The same thing happens to pilots.
15:23One imagines the pilot tense all the time,
15:26from takeoff to landing.
15:27No, it's not like that.
15:28No.
15:29I live it as a daily routine.
15:31The pilot is not a thing that sits down, reads numbers and is there automated.
15:35No, no.
15:36You have to do it relaxed.
15:37You are fulfilling a function and you are trained for that.
15:40Could they come distracted to do their daily function,
15:44what they did every day?
15:48I don't think so.
15:49No.
15:50Not at all.
15:51I don't think so.
15:52No.
15:53I don't think so.
15:54That's why I tell you, it's really an interrogation.
15:56It's an interrogation.
15:57It's an interrogation.
15:58It's an interrogation.
15:59We are not talking about a small plane.
16:01We are talking about a plane that has a cost of more than 7 million dollars.
16:05It is a modern plane,
16:07which has all the capabilities to do an operation at all times.
16:13There were no weather problems.
16:15No, nothing.
16:16Meteorologically, the day was fine.
16:17Absolutely.
16:18What has happened is extremely notorious and rare.
16:22These corporate planes,
16:26where businessmen fly, many of them from the red circle,
16:31who also handle television personalities.
16:34Many.
16:35Do they have controls?
16:37Yes, yes.
16:38Where do they control them?
16:40Well, each plane or each aircraft brand has a workshop,
16:44authorized by the National Civil Aviation Administration,
16:47which is responsible for verifying that the workshops are in reference
16:53to each aircraft that is certified to serve.
16:56But this plane had arrived in Punta del Este.
16:58Does it have a check-in in Punta del Este?
17:00No, no, no.
17:01The check-ins have to be done here.
17:03The plane is registered in Argentina, in Lima Victor,
17:06and it has to be maintained here.
17:09The thing is that, well, they were going, coming, going, coming,
17:13everything fast.
17:15And sometimes mistakes are made,
17:19but very serious mistakes.
17:21You know, it catches my attention.
17:23This is a mistake.
17:24It is not acceptable.
17:25At least I don't accept it.
17:27Excuse me.
17:28Do you know what we've been talking about?
17:31Because a hypothesis is starting to run,
17:39I don't know how to say it,
17:41of a question that is not, that is not casual.
17:46Well, let's see, wait.
17:47He just sketched it.
17:48He just sketched it.
17:49I'll help you.
17:50Jorge just sketched it, based on his experience.
17:54What happens to a pilot who receives bad news above the plane?
17:59He's collapsed.
18:01I'll say it again.
18:02What happens to a man who receives bad news
18:05and is in front of the rudder of a plane?
18:08Is there a protocol regarding that?
18:11No.
18:12It is assumed that you are psychophysically prepared to withstand...
18:18No, but a protocol that the pilot is not informed of anything on a trip.
18:23No.
18:24If a bad news...
18:25No.
18:26And if he received bad news above the plane?
18:28It's a conjecture.
18:29That's why I was asking if there is no protocol regarding that.
18:31I'm wondering, I'm conjecturing.
18:34Let's see, and if he received bad news above the plane,
18:37because today we live permanently connected with this.
18:40A WhatsApp, a message.
18:42Yes, social networks, email, everything.
18:44I always say, who lives disconnected is someone, I don't know, extraterrestrial.
18:48Now that I have Polanco here.
18:50Who doesn't live connected today?
18:53Today we find out all of a sudden, in a click.
18:57In a click we find out by the mood of the other person who is on the other side of the line.
19:02I say, a pilot can't be abstracted from reality aboard the rudder.
19:09He can be, yes.
19:11He can be.
19:12But the other, there are two.
19:15And both are perfectly equipped to operate the plane.
19:19Well, I leave the question.
19:21And if the pilot received bad news that clouded him,
19:24Gustavo Descalzi is in Uruguay.
19:26Gustavo, good afternoon.
19:29Mariano, how are you?
19:31I'm here at the airport, as you can see.
19:33Yes.
19:34This is the lagoon.
19:36We are going to be as careful and prudent as possible,
19:39embracing the family of the two pilots.
19:42But that version that you just spoke of is the same that we had early today here.
19:47I said it in an elegant way in the first exits we had,
19:52talking about the last seconds something happened.
19:58The experts will have to confirm or rule out
20:02what is rumored here in Punta del Este,
20:06this that has to do with those rooms that were here for a little over an hour.
20:12They arrived at 11 in the morning, bringing the widow of Brito,
20:19and they returned, they did not load fuel,
20:22there was some telephone conversation here,
20:25and there was something else that happened,
20:28that when one sees those shocking images,
20:31that have shocked us all,
20:33because of the harshness,
20:35and because two lives were lost,
20:37and that it could have been a much bigger disaster.
20:41In that same line, I believe that the investigations will have to go
20:46to rule out this rumor, this version,
20:49that has been here early in the airport of the lagoon, dear Mariano.
20:55Was something known?
20:56They had gone to take Jorge Brito's mother there,
20:59and they bounced, that is, on the Pucho,
21:02they got on the plane and returned.
21:04I say, is there someone who was there as a witness,
21:07who saw them, if he saw them in good condition?
21:10Yes, yes, of course, of course.
21:11To the pilots, everything normal?
21:13Let's see, the plane arrives,
21:14the plane arrives and is normally an hour,
21:16only the lady who traveled came,
21:18they are more or less an hour here,
21:20there was no fuel load,
21:22they have contact and conversation,
21:24absolutely normal with everything,
21:27with the whole team, starting with the tower,
21:30then the runway operators,
21:32then the technical staff who always approaches
21:35to serve the lady's transfer,
21:38a conversation.
21:39I knew the pilots by sight,
21:41but I knew them because they are usually traveling here.
21:45We are talking about a last-generation plane,
21:48how good that there is an expert who could give
21:50more accurate information about it.
21:52We are talking about a last-generation plane
21:54that has not only the possibility of having different
21:57monitoring on board and if not external,
22:00that is, any failure,
22:02any problem that it would have had,
22:04it would have jumped during the flight.
22:06Let's see, wait for me here, wait for me here.
22:08The pitiful lady ...
22:09Let's see, the version of an emotional problem is growing.
22:14The version of an emotional problem is growing.
22:18This can be in the black box,
22:20in the voiceover?
22:22If the pilot manifests with his first officer
22:26or the other pilot, the partner,
22:28manifests something, it will surely come out
22:31of what is called voice recorder.
22:34That will be accessed as soon as it is removed
22:38from the remains of the plane.
22:41But if it wasn't like that, we don't have a way,
22:44we can't explore the mind of a person who has died.
22:48Of course, totally, totally.
22:51The truth is that this is really very unpleasant,
22:55this that has happened here in San Fernando.
23:00They are two young people,
23:02it was a modern corporate plane,
23:05a modern plane.
23:06New.
23:07New, of which they usually have to land
23:09there in Laguna del Sauce.
23:10Yes, yes, it is a last-generation plane.
23:12I mean, there must be many who land there.
23:14It is a last-generation plane, it is a very expensive plane,
23:16it is a very expensive plane,
23:19which is also not only new,
23:21but it has the latest technology
23:23and it has all the securities.
23:25That is why it is striking that,
23:27let's suppose there was some technical problem,
23:31some failure, well,
23:33that type of plane not only has the possibility
23:36of having all the alarms,
23:37but it can also be monitored externally.
23:40Yes.
23:41And there is not until now, it has not arisen until now,
23:44and the expert can say it,
23:45there is not until now any element
23:47that makes the tower boast
23:49that there was an SOS,
23:52that there was an alarm situation during the flight.
23:55In fact, it would seem a deliberate movement
23:58and I want to be careful because
24:00there are two families who are at this moment
24:02helping two young boys,
24:04two pilots who were like a family.
24:06There are very few pilots who fly,
24:08everyone knows each other.
24:09We are talking about pilots who normally bring
24:11the main figures, artists, athletes.
24:14They are very dear people
24:16and for some reason this flight
24:19ended very badly, dear Mariano.
24:21I was remembering,
24:22since we are talking about the Buenos Aires-Punta del Este route,
24:25I was remembering the flight of the owner of Cociuco,
24:27don't you remember?
24:28Yes.
24:29From that flight too,
24:31I think it hovered over the river.
24:33Ten people were burned inside the Laguna del Sauce.
24:37Exactly.
24:38And they died burned inside.
24:40In Carmela, in Carmelo.
24:41And do you remember?
24:42Eight I think died.
24:43Were there directors from La Rural, from Renault?
24:46No, there were ten people.
24:48No, of course, we are mixing up the topics.
24:50In Punta del Este we are talking.
24:52You are talking about the plane that fell.
24:54Exactly, in the Laguna de Punta del Este, very close.
24:56In the Río de la Plata.
24:57I'm talking about the one that came,
24:59the cooperative flight that came,
25:01directors from Renault, from Brazil.
25:03Well, that's another one, that's another one.
25:04It was from the owner of Cociuco.
25:05I witnessed it directly
25:08when the C5N helicopter was up
25:11and I was able to see all the images
25:13when they were extracting even the corpses
25:15and two people were saved.
25:17Exactly, exactly.
25:20I remember that it was quite an impact.
25:22It was a different plane, right?
25:24They were older planes.
25:25But all that operation had other nuances,
25:29among which there was a very delicate issue.
25:33Sure.
25:34Well, yes, yes, exactly.
25:36Then it was checked with the pilot and so on, right?
25:38Exactly.
25:39There was some kind of stupefaction with the pilot.
25:42Exactly.
25:43Then it was checked.
25:44In this case, so far we do not have data from the investigation,
25:48we do not have data from the investigation.
25:49Rojo Salgado, the federal judge,
25:51is there meticulously touring the area,
25:54doing an eye inspection.
25:56Just now, according to what our cell phones showed us,
25:59the bodies were removed,
26:01they were trying to remove the bodies from the fuselage.
26:04What we have left to go, in some way,
26:07rounding up the note with Jorge Polanco,
26:09is that he puts on the scene
26:12the hypothesis of an emotional situation of the pilot.
26:16What we wonder,
26:18when there are two people,
26:20if one has an emotional problem,
26:22does the other replace it on a plane?
26:25It should.
26:26I mean, in the industry,
26:29we talk about what is called situational awareness,
26:32that is, to know what is happening around you,
26:34in the cabin, around the plane.
26:36If you realize that your partner is in a situation
26:39for which it is a danger to you,
26:42you have to take charge of the controls,
26:45or, if necessary,
26:48by some abrupt attitude,
26:50but make yourself responsible for the command of the plane.
26:53Sure, sure, as is.
26:55Well, there we are.
26:56The copilot could have stopped him,
26:59stopped him perfectly.
27:01That's what the expert is explaining, right?
27:03Correct.
27:04Incredible, what a situation.
27:06Incredible.
27:07Let's see.
27:08Where are we going?
27:09Is the mobile phone calling us?
27:11We have three mobile phones working there,
27:13around the San Fernando International Airport.
27:16We have it at Descalzi, there in Uruguay.
27:19Gustavo, we'll be back in a little while,
27:21do you think so?
27:22Thank you, great contribution, Gustavo, thank you.
27:24Of course, of course.
27:25Thank you, Polanco, very kind.
27:27No, thank you, good afternoon.
27:28Thank you, Jorge,
27:29aeronautical consultant,
27:31came from another channel,
27:32running here with us.
27:34Well, 19 minutes and 44 seconds.