Jorge Lanata permanece en terapia intensiva mientras se desata una controversia sobre una supuesta deuda con Radio Mitre y la implicación de Elba Marcovecchio. Se discuten poderes legales y acusaciones cruzadas, pero la prioridad de Elba sigue siendo la salud de Jorge. La abogada además decidió no hablar de nada relacionado con el conflicto judicial que rodea al clan Lanata y apuntó contra Diego Esteves.
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00:00Jorge is stable and he has to go through all the little things that he has,
00:08but they do intensive care.
00:12I don't talk about the daughters at all.
00:16It's a war in which I didn't go up to the ring,
00:23so I don't want anything.
00:26The only thing that matters to me is that Jorge leaves and that my children are well.
00:32Elba, yesterday we talked on the program about a debt that Jorge has with Radio Mitre,
00:37and you were mentioned because they say that that money would have been a part,
00:43or I don't know if its entirety, to help you buy the apartment that you are in Palacio Estrugamo.
00:49I'm not going to answer anything at all,
00:52because all the economic issues are being handled excellently by the curator designated in the file.
00:58The only thing I'm going to tell you is that I've been independent since I have the use of reason.
01:05I've been working since I was very young.
01:07All my life I was economically independent and I still am.
01:13So I think that gives you an answer to what you say.
01:18Jorge is fighting for his life, and I think we have to focus our energies there.
01:24When you got married, was there a division of property?
01:27I'm not going to answer anything at all,
01:29nothing that leads me to patrimonial issues with my husband being in a hospital.
01:37All our work and issues have to be focused on the person who needs it today,
01:45and that is Jorge.
01:47I hope that's how it's been thought.
01:49The truth is that, thanks to the designation of the curator,
01:55I have detached myself a lot from all those issues,
01:59and I leave it in his hands and in his good judgment.
02:02What happened with that famous power that Jorge signed you at the time?
02:05No, no, no, I'll come back to the same thing.
02:08The judicial issues, let's leave them in the file.
02:10But since he signed a determination of capacity,
02:13the powers fall, except for the effects and the conservative acts.
02:17Then everything else that happened, well, it was kind of weird.
02:23Were you aware of the power that Kiguita had?
02:25I'm not going to answer anything at all.
02:29What's going to happen, because it is said that Jorge's program will end at the end of February,
02:37what's going to happen with that contribution that he usually receives from the radio
02:42when it is no longer linked to the radio?
02:45I mean, with the expenses, both in employees, in social work, in the house, in what has to be maintained.
02:52It's my husband.
02:54It's my husband, and the curator will take care of the radio issue.
02:59The only thing that worries me is my husband.
03:03It would be a matter of reorganizing the economy, but he is my husband,
03:08and thank God he has a wife who works, and we are together in the good and the bad.
03:16I have no question about that.
03:20Would you continue to work with the people that Jorge has?
03:23For example, Facundo, the driver, Margarita.
03:27Margarita has nothing to do with it.
03:30The radio producers are very far away, they are at another time,
03:36and it does not correspond either that we are talking about things that are not yet in analysis.
03:45The truth is that I see very few programs, sometimes I do see them, and nothing else.
03:52And final point, the only thing I'm going to ask you about your program is
03:55what problem does Diego Estevez have with me?
03:58The truth, what obsession do you have?
04:02Because there was something that bothered you, that you heard.
04:04Yes, he called me a thief. Strong, right? He called me a thief. Strong, right?
04:09It's going to be complicated.
04:11Is it going to be complicated, Diego?
04:12No, I don't know, I don't know. It's not my problem.
04:15I think if you are amen, he will know what you say, whatever it is.
04:21Can I harm Diego in this, that he called you a thief?
04:24I have three questions, three important battles.
04:30Which is Jorge, my children, battles and scenarios, right?
04:34Jorge, my children and work. Final point.
04:38Each one does, knows what he does.
04:41They are all professionals, so they will tell me what he does.
04:46This last sentence, Diego, is lethal.
04:50Each one knows what he does. Each one is a professional and will know what he does.
04:55The first thing I want, I have a lot of things to say.
04:57If we have time, if not, we don't.
04:59We have, Diego.
05:00Tell me how far.
05:01And logically, if anyone wants to ask me something, better.
05:04Yes, I want to know what problem do you have with Elva Markovic?
05:06I think it's the question she left there, in the field.
05:10Look, I said it in advance without having listened to the note.
05:13I don't know, I come here to give information.
05:15But she feels that you got obsessed with her.
05:17I get the information from different places and I tell her.
05:20Obviously, something I tell her must leave her in a bad mood.
05:23Did you call her a thief, yes or no?
05:25That's it.
05:26Next time, before giving the information, which I repeat, comes from different sources,
05:30I call Elva Markovic and see if it's okay for her to tell that.
05:34If not, what part of the truth does she want me to tell her?
05:37But I want to make a clarification.
05:39And I ask the production to examine me here.
05:41Two things I want to do, as if I were a producer,
05:44which I am not in this program.
05:46First, look in the tape where I say,
05:48textual words, that Elva Markovic is a thief,
05:52or I give any kind of indication with the word thief.
05:56You can look for a synonym that I use the word steal.
06:00Yes.
06:01Thief.
06:02Urtar.
06:03Or steal.
06:04Yes.
06:05Thief.
06:06Urtar.
06:07Or something compatible with a crime.
06:09I never said it.
06:10I never said that Elva Markovic is a thief.
06:13I did say...
06:15Yes.
06:16...that she took things that were not hers to her house.
06:21Excuse me, Diego.
06:22It's not the same as indicating a crime to someone.
06:25And if you want, I'll tell you again.
06:27Excuse me, if she takes something from her husband's house...
06:30...that is not hers, it is her husband's,
06:32and they also have a separation of assets signed,
06:36therefore, much less the things of her husband.
06:39There were even things that were prior to their marriage,
06:42but even if they were after the marriage,
06:45there is a separation of assets.
06:46But if it is at the request of her husband...
06:47The thing about the cream is not Elva Markovic's.
06:50But if it is at the request of her husband,
06:52according to her, it is at the request of her husband.
06:54And she has a power at that moment.
06:58With justice, that power expired.
07:00But at that moment, when she takes things,
07:02she has the power that her husband signed,
07:04giving her absolute integrity to do and undo whatever she wants.
07:09Remember that we showed it to her,
07:11she could have sold everything.
07:12But she met Tenti later, because in the timeline...
07:15There is a video.
07:16She had the power.
07:17But she is going to meet him later.
07:19There is a video.
07:20But she had that power.
07:21I'll tell you again.
07:22I'll tell you again.
07:23Here, there is no one who has fallen from the Caterpillar.
07:25We all have decades of profession.
07:27More or less that we realize.
07:29When they want to put the dog in us
07:31and when they want to tell us the truth.
07:32Sometimes we eat some rotten sin.
07:34Totally.
07:35But we can discern who lies to us and who does not.
07:39What argument does Elva Markovic use to say,
07:42I took things,
07:44the argument of,
07:46because someone can steal them.
07:48Hermes handkerchiefs,
07:50the Rolex watch collection,
07:53and a lot of brands.
07:54No, because it already happened, Diego.
07:55I took them systematically for 30 days.
08:00I took everything,
08:01because someone can steal them.
08:03I did my job as an ant, as a journalist,
08:06and I talked to people who frequented the house,
08:08who are employees of the ANAT,
08:09and they told me,
08:10there was never a pin missing
08:13in the company house.
08:14Let me finish.
08:15There was never a pin missing.
08:18But look at this.
08:19There was never a pin missing.
08:23And the employees told me,
08:24well, if something was missing,
08:26forgive the suddenness,
08:28Jorge would have kicked us in the balls.
08:30But now it's not Jorge.
08:32Do you know what the problem is?
08:34It's all very nice what you tell us.
08:36It's all wonderful.
08:38It's all wonderful what you tell us.
08:40Here we are all journalists,
08:41each one has his source,
08:43we do not reveal them.
08:45The reality is that when the missing people arose,
08:49by chance, Jorge Lanata was hospitalized.
08:52Jorge Lanata was not aware.
08:55By chance.
08:57So, by a request,
08:59I mean, it would have been a request from Jorge Lanata
09:02to Elba Marcovecchio.
09:04He had a period between hospitalization and hospitalization.
09:07He was aware and could talk to his wife.
09:11And I would have asked him to take those things out.
09:14On the other hand, your beautiful speech, Diego,
09:16I loved it and I found it super correct.
09:19But many times in this program,
09:21Diego and all of us,
09:24all of us,
09:26we do not speak in these delicate terms
09:28as Diego just spoke.
09:30I do not include.
09:32And sometimes those terms,
09:34against the adrenaline of the air,
09:36they sound different because the tone is different,
09:38because the words we use are different,
09:40they are not as correct as the one Diego just used.
09:43And what I mean by this,
09:45that there are other words that we have used in this program
09:48and I do not include.
09:49But Diego, as a being,
09:51took it and we do not clarify where, to the house.
09:54Guys, you had to understand that those things had been sold.
09:57But sorry, I add more data to you, because these are data.
09:59I feel like we are looking at a state.
10:01And let me tell you this.
10:02And even in the wedding.
10:04We had shuffled the possibility,
10:06we had shuffled the possibility
10:08that there may have been an agreement between the parties,
10:12I mean between Jorge Lanata and Elba Marcovecchio,
10:14who are husband and wife.
10:16I mean, they have fixed different things
10:18that we have no idea about.
10:20But we have the power.
10:22Sorry, Dami.
10:23No courage to defend Diego.
10:25No, but say everything you want.
10:27In those same programs,
10:28where previously in the networks
10:30circulated images of the lady
10:32cautiously keeping
10:34valuables in the sleeve of a shirt
10:37or glass cups in a wallet,
10:39not in a cardboard box,
10:41with paper that gave rise to suspicion.
10:43Yes.
10:44No one prevented this issue,
10:46I understand that Elba never talks about
10:48private or judicial issues,
10:50to end up growing,
10:51but it grew like a ball.
10:53But what did we say here?
10:54In the midst of all the suspicion,
10:56it can be from a language,
10:57for incorrect moments.
10:59There is no robbery between spouses.
11:01Of course.
11:02We said it at the same time, guys.
11:04No, it's more.
11:05I agree.
11:06Pochi rightly says,
11:07stop, this is what Elba says.
11:09What do we know if Jorge told her this?
11:11We know for the power that Jorge gave her,
11:13and because Jorge publicly,
11:15every time he could,
11:16said that he gave everything to Elba,
11:18that it was the light in her eyes.
11:20It was ten years ago,
11:22when Elba did not exist,
11:23when Elvita did not exist.
11:25Yes, ten years ago.
11:26Can I tell you something?
11:27No.
11:28I say, if you have a power signed,
11:30in this case,
11:31if Elba Marcovecchio has a power
11:32signed by Jorge Laneta,
11:34to do and undo
11:36whatever is sung to her.
11:38Yes.
11:39The will.
11:40Yes.
11:41Why does he have to go
11:43turn off the light in the office,
11:46grab a sculpture,
11:47which, well, luckily,
11:48I saw all the videos.
11:50I saw all the videos.
11:51And what are you trying to understand?
11:52The cameras are infrared.
11:54The cameras are infrared.
11:56That is, if you turn off the light,
11:58it looks the same.
11:59Elba Marcovecchio did not know.
12:00So what did he do?
12:01Common sense.
12:02I did not know.
12:03I relate a fact.
12:05I am not making any value judgment,
12:07adjectivating anything.
12:08Wait, wait.
12:09I saw a video that went like this.
12:11He turns off the light,
12:13grabs a small sculpture,
12:15puts it in his wallet,
12:17turns on the light.
12:19It's weird.
12:20Sorry, guys.
12:21It's weird.
12:22If you have a power,
12:23go to Maria's house
12:24and ask for an explanation.
12:25Doesn't Lola's daughter also live in that house?
12:27I say, it would be weird
12:28that Lola, being Lola's daughter,
12:29suddenly grabs something
12:30and takes it to Maria's house.
12:31Well, but Jorge told her that.
12:33It's what we saw in the videos.
12:35But with the light off,
12:36it's normal.
12:37It's what we saw in the videos.
12:38But if they tell you it's real,
12:39it's what we see in the videos.
12:40Apart from that,
12:41what are you trying to make us understand is the question.
12:43And clearly.
12:44Well, it's not...
12:45Guys, one plus one is two.
12:46Yes.
12:47There's not much time.
12:48What are you trying to make us understand?
12:50It's weird that if you have a power
12:52and you have administration
12:53and all that,
12:54against your husband,
12:55you need to turn off the light
12:56to take your husband.
12:57It's weird.
12:58What do both of you say?
12:59It's weird, all of that.
13:00It's weird, it's not weird?
13:01Starting with that sentence,
13:02you're trying to make us understand something.
13:04It's like I turn off the lights in this studio,
13:05I grab the mug
13:06and then he turns them on again.
13:07It's weird, it's a camera.
13:08I'll take it as weird, but all those elements
13:11that were taken are credited to justice
13:14or are made available by Elba saying they are saved,
13:18here they are, they are evidence.
13:19When we did the subject, I made the story of everything
13:22and Kari told me, are you saying that it is,
13:24or did Diego Estevez say that it is a thief who stole?
13:28Are you saying that it is a thief?
13:30Do you remember?
13:30Yes, of course.
13:31And I had never said that, but of course,
13:33you make a story of the facts.
13:36And the conclusion is one,
13:38and when they come to refute you on the other side,
13:41saying, no, I took the things to prevent theft,
13:44and you find out that there are no unfaithful employees,
13:47that the daughters never stole anything,
13:49and I see the video turning off the light.
13:51In a story there are always two versions.
13:55You have the version of Nata and the Nata's daughters.
13:59And the videos.
14:00And the videos that we all have.
14:03And on the other hand, there are also other journalists,
14:05including me, who have the version of Marco Vecchio,
14:08that we turn them upside down here.
14:09I don't know who has the truth.
14:10I just try to find out, go to the source,
14:14and have the information.
14:16And above all, a graphic journalist,
14:18who knows how to use words a lot,
14:20and graph, and relate, and describe,
14:23as Diego did at the time.
14:26Diego, in any case, what he did was
14:28describe in a journalistic way what was seen in the videos,
14:33and then each one draws their own conclusion.
14:35In a judicial presentation.
14:37It was described, presented by the judge.
14:39She doesn't know what the serious part of what you say would be.
14:42The serious part would be if those elements,
14:45the justice, the call of Eva Marco Vecchio,
14:47and those elements are not to be returned.
14:50But before moving on to another topic,
14:52what catches my attention again today with this,
14:55is that different media
14:57have passed those videos without interruption,
15:01giving to understand this,
15:02this idea that is overflowing in the studio,
15:05this idea for which Eva Marco Vecchio
15:07feels so uncomfortable, logically.
15:11But it points to you, Diego.
15:13Yes.
15:14I don't know, the truth is that,
15:16if it will be the way in which I relate it,
15:18which is very meticulous.
15:19This is, I repeat, in justice.
15:21It was a presentation that the Daughters of Nata did.
15:23Of course, you would have to go against the Daughters of Nata.
15:26There is no robbery in Mexico.
15:28There is no robbery.
15:29Maybe there is some jurisprudence
15:30that speaks of fraud in Cordoba,
15:32but that is a separate topic.
15:34Yes.
15:34Now, that on the one hand,
15:36the videos, I don't have to report anything.
15:38We just saw the images.
15:40And they are eloquent that it is someone who
15:42is taking things to burglars, to hidden ones,
15:46which draws attention.
15:48But that's not like that.
15:49Why his house?
15:50No, it's the house where Jorge lived with his daughter.
15:53So I ask, if the daughter also lived there,
15:55why didn't he tell her, hey, look, this is the situation,
15:57what I'm going to do...
15:58But you have no dialogue.
15:59Maybe the daughter didn't live there anymore.
16:00You have no dialogue.
16:01Maybe, I don't know, WhatsApp, something.
16:03I don't see myself taking things from the house...
16:05Well, to take, it was to keep,
16:07which is not the same.
16:08But not everyone could.
16:09It was to keep...
16:10Now, I ask Diego.
16:11Well, but he is saying, I didn't know,
16:12that there was a video...
16:13I ask Diego.
16:15And this is to try to compose the situation,
16:17obviously, because I don't like that there are judicial situations
16:22between, for example, Elba,
16:24or what could be Diego, our partner.
16:27No way.
16:28Is there a possibility that you get together to have a coffee
16:30and talk about depriving him with Elba?
16:32Look what I'm telling you.
16:33Put Elba Marcovecchio on the air.
16:36But it's not that I don't...
16:37Because I mean, I'm not afraid.
16:39Put her on the air and give her the explanations she has to give,
16:42and I'll ask her the questions.
16:43But she doesn't come out.
16:44I don't think she'll come out.
16:45Let's try.
16:46Let's try.
16:47We can try.
16:48Let's try.
16:49No, no, no.
16:51But she can talk about the personal situation with Diego.
16:54About the judicial and everything.
16:56But I correct you, Dani, because she actually,
16:58in the note she clearly says it,
17:00she feels that Diego has something personal.
17:02She talked about obsession.
17:03She talked about obsession.
17:05What's wrong with me?
17:06Look, sometimes I may make a mistake and I take responsibility
17:09or I blame myself.
17:10Sometimes, in some news in particular, I take sides.
17:15But because there are facts that,
17:17I say, this doesn't admit refutation.
17:21And sometimes, well, maybe it's a mistake.
17:23I lose objectivity.
17:25I don't think this is the case.
17:27And why do I say this?
17:28Because, first, the video.
17:30Then, the version of the credit of Radio Mitre,
17:33which is the information I have,
17:35is that that money would have been allocated,
17:38I'm cautious, I use the potential,
17:40it would have been allocated for the purchase of the department she has.
17:44Elba Marcovecchio in the Estrugamú tower.
17:47Let's say I rely on two sources,
17:50one from Radio Mitre and another relative,
17:53who know with their mouths that that money would have been allocated for that.
17:59Now, yesterday, let's say I'm confident, right?
18:02And I come out as a parrot to repeat that.
18:04Yesterday, Luis Ventura received information
18:08from a place that is neither Elba Marcovecchio
18:11nor the family, the daughters of La Nata,
18:14refuting that information.
18:16What's more, saying that they were not 600,
18:18that they were $750,000
18:20and that La Nata herself said,
18:22this is for Elba's department.
18:24It may be that it is not.
18:28And I didn't say it's a crime.
18:29But what comes from the other side that you said it, Damian?
18:31No, the money was to buy a department for the daughters.
18:34And let me be doubtful.
18:36Because you turn the speech around
18:38and then you don't call anyone.
18:40But why is that wrong and the other is right?
18:42Let's see, Elvita has how to believe
18:44that she bought the department with her money.
18:46But you see, I'm not a thief, the thieves are her.
18:48The money was not for my department, it was for hers.
18:51No, no.
18:52She doesn't say it was for Lola's department.
18:56In any case, those who talked to me yesterday,
18:58who was not Elvita yesterday,
19:00precisely, she talked to me about shopping,
19:02watches, jewels, works of art,
19:05and a part for a department that would be for Lola.
19:09And the watches.
19:11Excuse me, excuse me,
19:13why a person that I consider a multimillionaire,
19:17beyond where Jorge Lanata has his money,
19:19and in the name of whom,
19:21who has hundreds of works of art
19:23and dozens of watch brands,
19:25would ask for such a large credit
19:27to the company where he works
19:29to buy more works of art and more watches?
19:32Yes.
19:33Because in the beginning,
19:34that was supposed to be destined
19:36to the department of Elva Marcovecchio.
19:38But there was a change at the last moment,
19:40where the loan had already been given to Lanata
19:42and Elma would not have accepted that loan.
19:44Guys, we're going to continue right away.
19:46I'm going to ask the production that you did
19:48with Elva Marcovecchio.
19:49Are you trying?
19:50Yes.
19:51But well, while we try to keep up with her,
19:53we're going to make a short cut.