"Agar Imran Khan, Govt Ko Girana Chahtay Hen Tu...", Tariq Fazal Chaudhry's Big Statement
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00:00What is the solution to the problem?
00:02Let's come to the real solution.
00:04Let's say, if they agree, then this can be done.
00:06This is called a solution to the problem.
00:08Mr. Fawad sat here and told a story, which is also correct.
00:12Mr. Rana went to meet Mr. Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
00:16Moulana told him to solve the problem.
00:18He said, if you want to solve the problem,
00:20then you have to get Imran Khan out of jail.
00:22The day he comes out, the government will collapse.
00:24There will be elections, he will take two trillions
00:26and then all of us will be in jail.
00:28This is not possible.
00:30This is a big fear of yours.
00:32If this happens, Imran will come and this will happen.
00:34Then what is the solution to the problem?
00:36Look, Pakistan's problem right now is not Imran Khan.
00:38The government's problem right now is not
00:40whether Imran Khan comes in or out.
00:42The problem is that right now,
00:44the expectations of the public,
00:46how many percent are being fulfilled?
00:48I tell you with conviction, Mr. Kashyap,
00:50if in the country, we control the prices,
00:52the situation of law and order,
00:54terrorism, two or three of our major issues
00:56that are going on right now,
00:58if we are successful in controlling them,
01:00then Imran Khan is not an issue.
01:02PTA is not an issue.
01:04The thing is that Imran Khan,
01:06in his place, when your bills
01:08come to people's homes,
01:10the salary of your staff,
01:12if they are taking 30,000 rupees,
01:14if a bill of 25,000 rupees comes,
01:16what do you think, is their problem Imran Khan?
01:18Their problem is the bill of their house,
01:20the fees of their children.
01:22I am focused on this because the government
01:24is getting better.
01:26I will not go into the details of the economic indicators.
01:28They are getting better,
01:30but until that translate
01:32will not be on a common man's life,
01:34the ease will not come there,
01:36by that time, the situation will not get better.
01:38But you have said that
01:40inflation is not decreasing,
01:42the rate of inflation is decreasing.
01:44Look, the World Bank has cancelled
01:46your loan of 600 million.
01:48These are the problems of the IMF.
01:50Leave this.
01:52We talk about politics.
01:54When the economic problems increase,
01:56then we will see what happens.
01:58Look, the PM and the doctor
02:00find a solution to the problem.
02:02Generally.
02:04Mr. Khan did not talk to you,
02:06you also do not talk to him.
02:08Where will this matter go?
02:10And the reason is that if you do not
02:12give them a way ahead,
02:14then they will come to Islamabad again.
02:16They have to do something to get Mr. Khan out.
02:18Look, first of all, I told you
02:20on the government side.
02:22On the other hand, if we talk about Imran Khan,
02:24then Imran Khan will have to give some space.
02:26This is also a political thing.
02:28This is a political thing.
02:30But the thing about space is that
02:32if Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
02:34has to keep the same momentum
02:36that they have kept in the last 10 months,
02:38then political space will also be less for them.
02:40And if they do more extreme politics,
02:42they will also harm themselves and the country.
02:44Mr. Imran Khan,
02:46come out, there is no doomsday.
02:48But you will have to
02:50engage yourself
02:52into a political activity,
02:54into a political dialogue,
02:56into some political situation.
02:58Where can this dialogue
03:00take place?
03:02They will say,
03:04talk to us about Imran Khan's release.
03:06Look, Imran Khan gets released,
03:08then what does Imran Khan have to do?
03:10The real question is this.
03:12He says that I have overthrown the government.
03:14You will say that you will not overthrow the government again.
03:16Mr. Imran Khan,
03:18I will tell you very simply,
03:20that if Imran Khan wants to overthrow the government
03:22politically, then so be it.
03:24The objections that were raised
03:26against Imran Khan's election,
03:28I will say it in one word,
03:30we were also there,
03:32you also know,
03:34but Imran Khan's government
03:36has fallen politically.
03:38There were political parties with him,
03:40they left him and came with us
03:42and became a PDM government.
03:44But if he
03:46becomes a PDM,
03:48the way this success is achieved,
03:50which you used to say at that time,
03:52that you also know how
03:54distrust succeeds,
03:56until they are not together,
03:58this will not succeed.
04:00The real debate is that.
04:02I am telling you,
04:04the path should be political.
04:06The way you are talking,
04:08they did not take Imran Khan and put him in a martial law.
04:10They did not put him in a barrack.
04:12You say that
04:14they stopped supporting Imran Khan.
04:16So Imran Khan himself used to say
04:18that they are doing everything.
04:20They did not support him,
04:22but they came with him.
04:24Like they lost their support,
04:26they will be the cardinals.
04:28I have already told you,
04:30that if we are proven to be useless,
04:32then this will happen.
04:34We are trying to work,
04:36and if the result does not come,
04:38then the outcome is good.
04:40That is politics.
04:42That is politics.
04:44That is how things will move forward.
04:46That is how the country will benefit.
04:48Collision is not beneficial for the country.
04:50How many people like you are in the party?
04:52There are many people like me,
04:54who believe in politics and politics,
04:56and believe in democracy.
04:58This is the way.
05:00And the one who is going to scare you,
05:02will not listen to you.
05:04Sir, if there were people like you,
05:06a call would have gone to them,
05:08but they did not go.
05:10They are protesting.
05:12Because sometimes,
05:14in the position of strength,
05:16it is beneficial for the government
05:18to talk or negotiate.
05:20Are you in the position of strength?
05:22If you are not doing it,
05:24then it means that you have been allowed.
05:26We have made a committee in the parliament,
05:28before this,
05:30conflict resolution committee.
05:32There are senior people there.
05:34The people who were sitting in the parliament,
05:36that is also a form of dialogue.
05:38This is almost a month ago.
05:40You know that.
05:42Asad Kaisar is there,
05:44Barrister Gaur is there,
05:46Umar Ayub is there,
05:48there are senior people.
05:50All the parties have MNAs,
05:52even the senators are there.
05:54This is also an attempt.
05:56This was an attempt at that time.
05:58I will ask again.
06:00They did not get any answer from you.
06:02They are telling us every day.
06:04There are table talks,
06:06but you cannot disclose it.
06:08But as far as I can go,
06:10I am telling you that
06:12we have indirect contact with Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
06:14If there are no table talks in front of the media,
06:16we are in indirect contact.
06:18And we want these contacts to move forward.
06:20Why is it indirect?
06:22See, what you just said,
06:24that is the same thing.
06:26The conditions you are setting,
06:28the space you have kept for dialogue,
06:30make it a little bigger.
06:32You can say publicly,
06:34remove these conditions.
06:36Let's sit down.
06:38We will have a discussion.
06:40The people who are talking,
06:42there are 2-3 or 4 MNAs,
06:44they are talking.
06:46First there is behind the curtain,
06:48then there is front of the curtain,
06:50then there is media.
06:52Is there anything behind the curtain?
06:54Of course there is.
06:56We are in contact with them.
06:58We trust them.
07:00I am saying this for the third time in your program.
07:02There is no way out of fighting.
07:04Imran Khan, I was reading today,
07:06because the meeting just ended,
07:08he tweeted
07:10for a week
07:12that
07:14maybe he postponed
07:16because
07:18he wanted to give time
07:20to the civil disobedience negotiations.
07:22But this news has not been confirmed yet.
07:24I have met him today.
07:26You are talking to me about the negotiations.
07:28You have not confirmed
07:30whether they are taking back the civil disobedience
07:32or running it.
07:34If they are running it,
07:36then where is the dialogue?
07:38You have taught everyone
07:40that if there is a settlement,
07:42there will be a settlement.
07:44If they want
07:46that there should be a settlement,
07:48what will be a bigger settlement
07:50than what happened on 26th?
07:52There are massacres,
07:54there are massacres,
07:56we are being assaulted.
07:58This is very unfortunate.
08:00Unfortunately.
08:06But, Doctor,
08:08are you seeing the solution?
08:10God willing.
08:12I am hopeful.
08:14Hope is not a good strategy.
08:18Is it a strategy or
08:20do you have hope for a reason?
08:22It is a reason.