👉 Tras el secuestro del gendarme argentino en Caracas, nada se sabe de él. Se cree que se encuentra en un centro de tortura del régimen de Nicolás Maduro. El politólogo venezolano, Walter Molina explica que existen detenciones ilegales a diarios y hasta que hay niños.
"Lo que ocurre ahí dentro es espeluznante"
"Ahí adentro ocurren torturas
"Es un régimen criminal, mafioso y terrorista"
"Esto es una desaparición forzada"
"Cualquier gobierno democrático debe denunciar"
"El rostro de la barbarie está en Venezuela"
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"Lo que ocurre ahí dentro es espeluznante"
"Ahí adentro ocurren torturas
"Es un régimen criminal, mafioso y terrorista"
"Esto es una desaparición forzada"
"Cualquier gobierno democrático debe denunciar"
"El rostro de la barbarie está en Venezuela"
👉 Seguí en #AndinoYLasNoticias
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00:00The Gendarmerie Agustín Nahuel Gallo was detained by the dictatorial regime of Nicolás Maduro
00:07when he had arrived in Venezuela to visit his family.
00:10That is what is known as primordial information.
00:13Of course, since December 8, that there is no data of the Gendarmerie Nahuel Gallo,
00:17first chief of the National Gendarmerie, which was in the use of license for a year,
00:21had entered Venezuelan territory through the international bridge of Táchira,
00:25at the border with Colombia.
00:27And there the forces of the Maduro regime detain him, accused of espionage,
00:31when all indications show that he was clearly going on a family trip
00:36to meet his wife and son.
00:38The fear is based on where he may be detained.
00:42What are they doing to him?
00:44Of course, the place that is terrifying, which is the helicoid,
00:46which is the largest clandestine detention center.
00:49For them, they show it as something that does not exist.
00:53Where brutality is exercised, where torture is talked about.
00:58Yes, it is impossible to verify them because, obviously,
01:02international organizations do not have access to that place.
01:05The only images that transcend the helicoid are images that show the government
01:09as a police center and also a center where there are cultural activities.
01:16Look at what this absurd regime reaches.
01:19The Venezuelan government presented an habeas corpus through the Mendocino justice.
01:23Although the gendarme is Catamaran, his last place of work was in Uspallata,
01:27and there he also set up his home.
01:29Through this habeas corpus they try, in some way,
01:32to urge the Venezuelan government to at least report the whereabouts
01:37and the conditions by which he is detained, or the accusations by which he is detained.
01:41They are working not only with the Chancellery,
01:43but also in coordination with the Colombian government itself,
01:46which is a government close to Venezuela ideologically,
01:49but they understand that this detention is real.
01:51But of course. Are all Argentines in danger if they travel to Venezuela?
01:55That they accuse you of anything?
01:57Are they going to get you off a plane if you do a scale?
01:59Or are you going to visit your family?
02:01Do we have to tolerate these acts against our citizens?
02:05Walter Molina is a Venezuelan political scientist.
02:09Walter, how are you? Thank you for attending us.
02:12Hello, how are you? Thank you for having me.
02:15What is your first reflection on the detention of this Argentine gendarme in Venezuela?
02:21Well, I would like to start with the last thing you said,
02:24and that is that every foreign citizen, I would not say only Argentine,
02:28every foreign citizen has a Venezuelan visa.
02:32Of course, he is threatened directly by a mafioso and terrorist criminal regime,
02:38such as that of Colas Maduro.
02:41And I say this with a solid foundation,
02:44because this gendarme is not the only foreigner who is currently detained.
02:49And in this case, forced disappearance.
02:51There are more than a week of forced disappearance,
02:53which is a crime against humanity.
02:55But there are approximately 20 foreigners who are in a similar situation.
02:59And they do this, of course, both to have them,
03:02to use them as a means of exchange,
03:04but also to pressure or to extort the governments whose citizens they belong to,
03:13from the countries where they belong.
03:15In general, they are governments that tend to be very tough with the regime of Nicolás Maduro.
03:21Walter, let's say something,
03:24because this is a way to intimidate democratic governments that are against dictatorships.
03:30If the visit of the gendarme was held during the government of Alberto Fernández,
03:36who was aligned with Venezuela, Iran, Russia,
03:39and wanted to open the doors for him, we would not be talking about this.
03:43Probably not.
03:44Probably not.
03:45It is not something I would assure, but probably not.
03:48In fact, we have information from people, well, from the United States,
03:52this has been quite recurrent, people from Uruguay, Paraguay,
03:56and well, now from Argentina.
03:58We have a line, let's say, that can unite these governments that are tough against the regime of Nicolás Maduro,
04:07as any government in practice has to be.
04:09And, Walter...
04:10This has nothing to do with ideology.
04:12It is a crime against humanity.
04:14Of course, when you have a compatriot who is suffering from this,
04:19where his whereabouts are already unknown,
04:21where he begins to have no information,
04:24based on the experience that you say of other detainees,
04:28how have those stories ended, where do they fall, are they tortured, what happens to them?
04:34Yes, look, this is a fairly common pattern, to put it in some way,
04:38of the Nicaraguan regime.
04:40It is described very well by the independent mission of the UN,
04:44by organizations such as Human Rights Watch,
04:47and you said that about what happens inside the helicoid,
04:50there is an organization called Voices of Memory
04:53that recounts exactly what happens there in the helicoid,
04:56of people who were political prisoners,
04:58they recreated it with virtual reality,
05:01and it is a shocking thing.
05:02What they usually do is detain people for a long time in forced disappearance,
05:06luckily one or two weeks, but sometimes it can last more than a month, more than two months,
05:11and when you know where they are, well, they are in the helicoid,
05:14or they are in the grave, which is another torture center of the Chavista tyranny,
05:20they are in the grave, and when you know,
05:23maybe the family does not have access to talk to them,
05:29but you only know that they are there.
05:31And what happens there is a really complex situation,
05:34the tortures that happen there are shocking things,
05:38they have nothing different from the tortures that happened in the Argentine dictatorship here.
05:42And well, this is what they face today,
05:45as I said, about 20 foreigners, approximately,
05:48who are detained or kidnapped or disappeared,
05:52but also almost 2,000 Venezuelans, including 300 women and more than 30 children.
05:58And Walter, did you also say that there are children in detention centers?
06:04Sorry?
06:05Did you say that there are children also in detention centers?
06:08There are children in detention centers, since July 29,
06:11a day after the elections that Gonzalo Jurruquía won for 40 points,
06:16that there was a social rebellion against the dictatorship of Nicolás Maduro,
06:20they have detained more than 170 minors,
06:23and at this moment there are almost 40 of them who are still detained.
06:27There are children and girls of 14, 15, 16 years old,
06:31who through letters, because they have not let their parents see them,
06:35they have been told that they want to take their lives,
06:38because they can't stand what they are doing there.
06:41What is happening in Venezuela is really terrifying.
06:44The face of the barbarism of Latin America is today in Venezuela,
06:48it is today in Miraflores, and I believe that this has to be something
06:52that motivates all the democrats in the world to achieve the freedom of Venezuela,
06:56which was also what we decided 70% of the voters on July 28.
07:01And Walter, to give a glimpse of hope,
07:04what should happen so that Gendarme Gallo has the possibility of being released?
07:09Look, I think there is an important international pressure on the regime of Nicolás Maduro.
07:17You mentioned Colombia a few minutes ago,
07:22an hour ago, in fact, an anti-Colombian statement came out,
07:26saying that they are also going to take care of the protection of the Argentine embassy in Caracas.
07:32Where they are also being harassed and isolated.
07:35On that line, let me ask you,
07:38can this Gendarme be used as a currency of change,
07:41let's say, in the style of international terrorism,
07:44in exchange for the release of one or more of the refugees
07:50who are seen as terrorists by the Maduro regime,
07:53who are today being guarded at the Argentine embassy?
07:56Could there be any intention of that?
08:00It is a possibility. Unfortunately, it is a possibility.
08:03In Venezuela, we are not only talking about a dictatorship,
08:06we are talking about a regime of terror, a mafia state,
08:10and this, unfortunately, is a possibility.
08:12There are six asylum seekers there, at the Argentine embassy in Caracas,
08:15nine months ago, who are members of the closed group of Maria Polina Mestado,
08:20and they already have almost a month without electricity, without water,
08:24because of the pipes, they are not allowed to pass food.
08:27So, yes, well, obviously, this is an initiative,
08:30so that they can get out of there and, in turn,
08:32take them to these torture centers.
08:34Walter, and I'll add something to you, I don't know if this is confirmed,
08:36but I think it is.
08:37I understand that there are snipers,
08:40who have occupied houses illegally,
08:42aiming at these asylum seekers.
08:46Yes, yes.
08:47As for the houses, they already have more than two weeks, at least,
08:50that they filled the houses of the neighborhoods of the embassy.
08:53This, obviously, to intimidate, but also to prevent
08:56that the neighbors, in some way, could throw them,
09:00throw them some food, some drinking water,
09:02to the people who are in there.
09:04In addition, they arrested a worker of the Argentine embassy,
09:07he is Venezuelan, but he is a worker of the Argentine state,
09:10because he works at the embassy,
09:12and there were snipers during the last days.
09:15This was denounced by President-elect José González Urrutia himself,
09:19and, for example, by the Secretary-General of the OAS, Luis Almagro.
09:22What you are describing is that Maduro,
09:26and all his gang of drug-dealing criminals,
09:29of this narco-state in which Colombia has become,
09:32are the owners of life and death of whoever they want,
09:35of whoever they want,
09:37as happened here during the military-civic dictatorship.
09:40And this is so, and for what you are saying,
09:43a day after he failed the elections,
09:46he put in jail, illegally,
09:50those who politically confronted his wife and his children.
09:56That's correct.
09:57Since July 29, approximately 2,400 people
10:02were kidnapped, were arrested, have been tortured.
10:05Two of them, by the way, it is important to mention,
10:08have already died being in jail in recent months,
10:11because they were denied medical care.
10:13One hundred and seventy of them were children,
10:15more than three hundred have been women.
10:18And many of them were detained,
10:20something similar or making a parallel
10:23with what happened with the gendarme.
10:24They were on the street and a police officer said to them,
10:27show me your phone.
10:28The cell phone was checked,
10:29and if you had something against Nicolás Maduro,
10:32or in favor of María Corina Machado and Edmundo González,
10:34they detained you and took you to the torture centers.
10:36Well, it was something similar to what happened to the gendarme.
10:39The phone was checked, which is illegal,
10:41and he had a conversation with his wife,
10:43who is Venezuelan,
10:44and his wife, like 90% of the country,
10:46complaining about this criminal regime.
10:48And well, that was also one of the reasons
10:50why they took him to jail.
10:52In other words, today it can happen to you
10:53that if you go on a trip somewhere that is not Venezuela,
10:56but that you make a stop in Venezuela,
10:58if they know that you are Argentine,
11:00not to mention if you are a journalist
11:02and you are against the Maduro dictatorship,
11:03they can get you out of the loop and they can arrest you.
11:07Absolutely.
11:08In fact, several countries,
11:10including Uruguay and Canada,
11:12have suggested to their citizens not to travel,
11:14not to go through Venezuela.
11:16And I say this,
11:17the reason why today
11:19foreign citizens
11:21should not go through Venezuela
11:23is exactly the same reason
11:25why Venezuelans flee Venezuela.
11:27We are already more than 9 million people abroad.
11:29And it is a criminal regime
11:31that murders, that tortures,
11:34that has created a country in Venezuela
11:36where it gives shelter to terrorists
11:38and drug traffickers,
11:40but that expels its citizens
11:42and kidnaps foreign citizens
11:44who go on vacation
11:48or to visit their families.
11:50It is, as I said a few minutes ago,
11:52the epicenter of barbarism in Latin America
11:54and I believe that, as such,
11:56the democratic governments of the region
11:58and the world and international organizations
12:00have to act accordingly.
12:02This also starts with the International Criminal Court itself,
12:05which already had elements
12:07to order arrests
12:09against Venezuelan human rights criminals.
12:11Every day that passes, it has more elements.
12:13Excuse me,
12:15in the media of the regime,
12:17whenever a fact transcends
12:19internationally, they already argue.
12:21Their arguments count.
12:23In Venezuelan television,
12:25Telesur, which is what I have access to,
12:27absolutely nothing appears.
12:29It appeared there in Venezuela
12:31in some of the channels or media
12:33of the regime in this information,
12:35the information of the Gendarme,
12:37to know what they argue
12:39about what the detention was,
12:41the reason for the detention.
12:43No, no, it has not appeared.
12:45We also monitor this.
12:47It has not appeared.
12:49In fact, what transcended was below,
12:51that is, it was something not formal
12:53that transcended, I understand,
12:55part of the communication with Brazil,
12:57which is one of the few governments
12:59that can speak with this regime,
13:01where they said, well,
13:03that the detention of this Gendarme
13:05was due to espionage,
13:07which is one of the excuses, obviously,
13:09that all autocratic regimes use,
13:11espionage, terrorism,
13:13and anything that
13:15has no logic,
13:17but hey, it's an excuse,
13:19obviously, to commit a crime.
13:21Yes, let's see, what we know is that Gallo
13:23had an ordinary annual license,
13:25that he was not under any mission,
13:27he had no direct relationship
13:29with the Venezuelan government,
13:31but it is proven that he was going
13:33to visit his family,
13:35but they don't care,
13:37they don't care,
13:39they grabbed him,
13:41ready, let's take advantage.
13:43Absolutely, rather,
13:45they use it in favor,
13:47in fact, in the second report
13:49of the UN mission
13:51on Venezuela,
13:53they explained how they use
13:55both justice and the family
13:57that opposes them, this is the reality,
13:59they use them,
14:01the families, absolutely,
14:03your wife was about 7 months
14:05that she had returned to Venezuela
14:07due to a family situation,
14:09and what she wanted was to reunite with her husband
14:11and to spend Christmas together,
14:13and well, now there is this terror,
14:15and the truth is that when there is a regime
14:17like that of Nicolás Maduro,
14:19anyone has a number,
14:21we all have a number,
14:23and you see that it is not only a problem
14:25of numbers,
14:27and well, the problem of numbers
14:29is that they can touch you at any time,
14:31and the only solution is that
14:33in Venezuela there is freedom,
14:35regarding what happened on July 28,
14:37and well, and there is no longer
14:39within Latin America a regime
14:41where so much barbarism comes from,
14:43so much crime, so much danger.
14:45Poor Venezuela,
14:47in what they have turned it into.
14:49Now I ask you,
14:51if the relatives of Gendarme Gallo
14:53do not even know where he is,
14:55and it is also a danger for them
14:57the fact of entering the Venezuelan territory,
14:59this dictatorship.
15:01Yes, yes, yes, of course,
15:03of course, and well,
15:05his Venezuelan relatives, including his wife,
15:07I understand the last thing I said
15:09just before entering the interview,
15:11is that they are doing,
15:13like all relatives of political prisoners,
15:15they are going through each legal torture center,
15:17because there are many illegals,
15:19clandestines, asking,
15:21is he here or is he not here?
15:23And they do not give an answer,
15:25that is, not only have they not been able to see him,
15:27that surely they will not let them see him,
15:29but they do not tell him where he is.
15:31So, about the anguish,
15:33there is already an extra anguish,
15:35that is, absolutely nothing is known about him,
15:37nor where he is, nor how he is.
15:39It is a forced disappearance,
15:41as hundreds of Venezuelans are today.
15:43Yesterday they arrested a well-known
15:45political leader
15:47from the state of Caracas,
15:49a great friend,
15:51and he has been
15:53for a week also in
15:55forced disappearance.
15:57This is what is happening today in Venezuela,
15:59and well, I think it is something
16:01that we all have to denounce
16:03and raise our voices,
16:05because once again,
16:07without being repetitive,
16:09but I think it is necessary to make it clear,
16:11the face of barbarism in Latin America
16:13is in Venezuela,
16:15it is also in Miraflores,
16:17it is not only for Venezuelans,
16:19obviously, but also for the whole region.
16:21No, and also, obviously,
16:23from what you say,
16:25it is a rejoicing,
16:27and it is a political asset,
16:29the fact also,
16:31because there is a very rigorous work
16:33of psychological torture,
16:35not only physical and psychological torture
16:37for those who are legally detained,
16:39but for their family.
16:41The fact of having them go through detention centers
16:43in case they could,
16:45in places where they are not,
16:47and you say, they killed him,
16:49he got lost, whatever,
16:51and I ask you, is the Maduro regime
16:53capable of ending this story
16:55by killing anyone
16:57who is detained?
16:59Look,
17:01unfortunately that can happen,
17:03it has happened,
17:05it has crossed their hands,
17:07they have tortured so many people who have died,
17:09there are many cases,
17:11as I said, there are already two
17:13political prisoners in the last four months
17:15who died under state custody,
17:17in fact, the last one,
17:19which particularly broke my heart,
17:21because it is a young man
17:23who is asking to be given
17:25his father's body,
17:27well, he already died, I know he died,
17:29please give him the body,
17:31they probably won't give it to him
17:33because it is a body that is tortured
17:35and they don't want him to be known,
17:37but also the mother of this young man
17:39is also a political prisoner,
17:41this is the drama
17:43of what the Venezuelans are experiencing
17:45and of what anyone who is
17:47inside Venezuela is experiencing,
17:49there are a few propagandists,
17:51there I am seeing some,
17:53but that's it,
17:55they are a few propagandists
17:57who play a game with a regime
17:59that commits the same atrocities
18:01that Videl and Pinochet,
18:03but saying that they are socialists.
18:05That is our propagandist,
18:07sorry, sorry,
18:09this young man,
18:11you have him out there,
18:13who was an Argentinean influencer
18:15who went to Venezuela,
18:17paid by the regime
18:19to make some videos,
18:21and now Michelo,
18:23who is from Salta,
18:25if I'm not mistaken,
18:27and he stayed in Venezuela
18:29practically to live,
18:31doing propaganda for the regime,
18:33he made very ridiculous songs,
18:35but it helped him to reach
18:37the opposition,
18:39and with this Michelo,
18:41bought by the regime,
18:43there we see him doing propaganda
18:45and he is the main applauder,
18:47who is Argentinean,
18:49that's the particularity,
18:51you have an Argentinean influencer
18:53bought by the regime,
18:55doing propaganda,
18:57and another Argentinean
18:59arrested and the family
19:01does not know where he is.
19:03And speaking of Argentineans,
19:05I've been asking Pope Francis
19:07for a long time,
19:09to the Apostolic Nursery,
19:11to intercede, to speak,
19:13to raise the voice,
19:15I think that now there is
19:17an additional element,
19:19precisely for Pope Francis,
19:21Argentine, to say something
19:23about this, a few months ago
19:25he was asked about Venezuela
19:27and he talked about dictatorship,
19:29but not much more than that,
19:31and I was referring to that
19:33all those who believe,
19:35in peace, in democracy,
19:37in human rights,
19:39raise their voices against this,
19:41what is happening in Venezuela
19:43is tremendous,
19:45more than 2,000 political prisoners,
19:47many of them women,
19:49more than 200 women,
19:51there are 20 foreigners
19:53on Venezuelan soil,
19:55also detained,
19:57almost 40 people have been arrested,
19:59since July 29,
20:01they are still political prisoners,
20:03Venezuelans are still fleeing,
20:05among so much barbarism,
20:07I don't even have time
20:09to mention this,
20:11but more than 1,000 people per day
20:13cross the borders of Venezuela
20:15fleeing from the barbarism seen,
20:17it is a humanitarian situation,
20:19political, very terrible
20:21what is happening in Venezuela,
20:23and I hope, of course,
20:25that all those who must do it
20:27raise their voices,
20:29some organizations
20:31that are making an inexplicable silence,
20:33like UNICEF, like NUMUJERES,
20:35I don't think it's time
20:37to mediate against
20:39such a sad situation.
20:41Of course, because here you say
20:43you have to take care of the integrity
20:45of the Argentine gendarme,
20:47but if you don't know where he is,
20:49tomorrow they can tell you
20:51that he committed suicide
20:53out of despair,
20:55and go see,
20:57very early the family,
20:59I say, when you don't have information
21:01about the whereabouts,
21:03you are already in a tunnel
21:05where anything can happen.
21:07Now, Julio Cobos,
21:09National Deputy for the Radical Civic Union,
21:11presented a project to demand
21:13the immediate release of the gendarme,
21:15we are talking about Agustin Nahuel Gallo,
21:17arrested in Venezuela, accused of espionage
21:19by the dictatorial Maduro regime,
21:21I believe that here
21:23there should be no differences,
21:25there are those who aligned
21:27with Venezuela,
21:29we are talking here about an Argentine citizen,
21:31and if the homeland is the other,
21:33well, the other is in conditions
21:35evidently, as our friend
21:37Walter Molina says,
21:39who is a political scientist,
21:41deplorable, probably in a detention center,
21:43and suffering what is the madness
21:45of this Maduro's
21:47chavista narco-state regime,
21:49where it can happen to any foreigner
21:51who is against,
21:53not to mention the Venezuelan,
21:55there are 9 million,
21:57it is the largest exodus in the history of a people,
21:59but not to mention the one that now
22:01passes through Venezuelan territory
22:03and it is known that it is in favor of democracy.
22:05Do you remember Palo Consone
22:07when he went to cover the elections
22:09and many colleagues directly with that coverage?
22:11That they did not let him in.
22:13And that he was 24 hours
22:15missing, without information.
22:17Colleagues who have never been detained,
22:19but none of the colleagues
22:21who were detained at the airports
22:23were detained and transferred
22:25to a detention center.
22:27This that is happening with the gendarme
22:29is unprecedented for someone
22:31who has not participated in protests,
22:33because most of the detainees,
22:35especially in the helicopter,
22:37are indicated to have participated in protests
22:39or to have collaborated with the opposition
22:41in a certain way. This is unprecedented
22:43and clearly affects
22:45the current conflict
22:47that the Maduro's government
22:49has with Milley.
22:51There are also 16 Spanish detainees
22:53and what a coincidence
22:55that the Spanish government
22:57gives asylum
22:59to the elected
23:01president of Venezuela.
23:03Look at how he chooses
23:05which citizens to detain
23:07and make them disappear.
23:09Evidently they are disappeared.
23:13Yes, yes, yes, correct.
23:15Obviously
23:17the fact of opposing him
23:19for them is an enemy.
23:21This is the binary reality
23:23of these criminals.
23:25You are friend or enemy.
23:27And precisely for that reason
23:29I think we have to condemn them.
23:31This is not an ideological issue.
23:33This does not mean if you support it or not.
23:35What you said was sadism,
23:37wrong or not, it no longer exists.
23:39Today there is a criminal tyranny
23:41that murders, that tortures,
23:43that disappears, that rapes women,
23:45that hurts children.
23:49They were not in protests either.
23:51They say, as they say
23:53that it was not officially
23:55transmitted,
23:57that this gendarme was a spy.
23:59They say that all those who are detained
24:01made protests or something like that.
24:03There were children who were detained
24:05because they sent a WhatsApp message.
24:07They sent a WhatsApp message in a group
24:09and someone who was a chavista,
24:11the only chavista in the group
24:13and they went to look for the child
24:15and they put him in jail.
24:17That is what is happening in Venezuela today.
24:19Obviously it is a regime
24:21that is repudiated
24:23by practically the whole country.
24:25It has almost no international allies
24:27except for other autocracies.
24:29So the only thing left
24:31is brute force and terror.
24:33And precisely for that reason
24:35it must end.
24:37Walter, thank you very much.
24:39You have been here in Argentina, right?
24:41Yes, for six years in Buenos Aires.
24:43Hopefully one day you can return
24:45to a democratic Venezuela.
24:47Hopefully.
24:49And we will welcome you
24:51with open arms
24:53for the way you have welcomed us.
24:55We send you a hug. Thank you very much.
24:57A big hug.