Talks Between PTI and Govt - Barrister Aqeel Malik, Faisal Chaudhry's Reaction
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00:00The problem is that we are talking about negotiating committees and the objections of Maulana Sahib are heavy.
00:08Technically, I am not debating the Madaris bill. I am doing it from a political angle.
00:12Technically, my position is that the government should enforce the matters of transparency.
00:19We should honour the international commitments of Pakistan.
00:24You are not taking the Dareeq-e-Insaaf committee seriously because they are saying that they are negotiating.
00:32Earlier, you used to say that we don't negotiate. Now that we are negotiating, you don't want to talk to us.
00:37Don't you see a way forward that they are ready to negotiate?
00:41Mari Sahiba, the biggest concern for the government, PMLN and its allies is that
00:52who will guarantee for them?
00:55You have seen that they are all goody-goody and the atmosphere is good.
01:01It is a very good thing. But the next day, when they go to Peshawar,
01:06they get scolded. They are told that they are getting news that the atmosphere outside is good.
01:13The real thing is that the preference will be that those people become a part of the Mazaqarati team
01:23who are a part of the parliament, the senate and the national assembly.
01:26Are they the same people?
01:27No, there are some people who are in the parliament.
01:29Except for Salman Akram Raja, I think they are all elected.
01:32But when I speak on behalf of both the houses of the parliament, there should be some responsibility.
01:39Who will take the guarantee?
01:42Because there is one thing in the morning, one thing in the evening and one thing the next day.
01:45You have seen that for the past 10 months, from the Prime Minister to the leadership of all the parties,
01:51all the governments and all the allies, everyone has said the same thing that Mazaqarati should be there.
01:56You should come for Mazaqarati.
01:58Mazaqarati has been there. They have started a movement in Pakistan.
02:05They gave a mandate to Chak Zahid and took it back.
02:07You have seen it, I have seen it. Everybody saw that.
02:09There were three meetings and it could not reach any conclusion.
02:12And then all of a sudden a U-turn came and said that we will not talk to them.
02:16On the occasion of 26th Tarmim, we saw that there was a very good political exercise
02:19when there were objections on the other side.
02:21You spoke to Maulana Sahib about Mazaqarati, about politics.
02:25But Maulana Sahib is telling you today that he also does not have a branch.
02:28So is the branch a problem for you as well?
02:30Because Maulana Sahib who believed in you, who engaged with you, is upset today.
02:34He will say that the promises were not fulfilled.
02:36We did not say that.
02:37If our intentions were not good and we were not sincere with them,
02:46then after the 26th Aayani Tarmim was passed,
02:50then in the wee hours of the morning,
02:52we passed the bill on Madaris.
02:57The National Assembly passed it.
02:58Then why are you upset? Why don't they understand?
03:00We did our job.
03:01You are not able to make them understand.
03:02They are not able to understand.
03:04Maulana Sahib has been doing politics for 40 years.
03:06They are not able to understand your political manoeuvring.
03:08There is a problem somewhere.
03:09Your intentions are good. Maulana's intentions are good.
03:11Where is the problem?
03:12Maulana Sahib, there are some legislative steps in legislation.
03:15The bill was introduced. It was passed.
03:19So far, everything is fine.
03:21Both are in the hands of the Parliament.
03:22After that, it goes to the President of Pakistan for assent, for gazette notification.
03:27If there are objections from there, then we are looking at it.
03:31It will be clear.
03:32You have made an interesting separation between PML and People's Party.
03:36Faisal Sahib, Malik Sahib is right.
03:39Khan Sahib has to make the decision.
03:42The things that are reported from the court,
03:44is it right?
03:45Because it was Khan Sahib's anger that everyone outside is happy.
03:49Everyone is happy.
03:50Although Khan Sahib is talking aggressively.
03:54His tone is aggressive.
03:55His statements are aggressive.
03:56The language outside is reconciliatory.
03:59Is this a disconnect?
04:01Do you leaders talk like this outside?
04:05Ms. Aleema also said something like this.
04:07Look, it is easy to talk about this.
04:14You say that the access to political leadership has been completely destroyed by Imran Khan Sahib.
04:19His people have not been allowed to meet for the past three months.
04:23What Khan Sahib said was in context.
04:26The limited information that he had,
04:30he said that because many people have been martyred,
04:34after the martyrdom,
04:38he said that you cannot take a soft stand.
04:43Look, we have a rank and file.
04:45There is a lot of anger in it.
04:47I don't want to talk too much,
04:52but where will you throw the authentic compensation of 12 people who have been buried?
05:03This cannot happen overnight.
05:05Look, we have given a list of 149 missing persons.
05:08A lot of people have been born.
05:09Where were they before?
05:10It is good to give that list.
05:12They were present.
05:13Some were found in the jails.
05:16It is a positive step.
05:19So, Khan Sahib said that our people have been martyred.
05:22Our people have been injured.
05:24They were peaceful people.
05:26So, there is injustice with us.
05:28Continuously injustice has been happening for two and a half years.
05:31According to the figures of the government,
05:33our MNAS, MPS, workers have been fined 100,000 rupees in Punjab and Islamabad.
05:40Now, you have fined 100,000 rupees.
05:43After that, they came to D-Chowk.
05:45So, let them sit there for 3-4 days.
05:47It is a good thing.
05:48But I just want to know,
05:50your point of view is that
05:52Imran Khan Sahib's displeasure with the leadership,
05:55which is expressed by his sister, Aleema Khan Sahiba,
05:58presenting the statements in a twisted manner,
06:00the sense of urgency,
06:02regarding civil disobedience,
06:03Khan Sahib said that
06:04the leadership is not visible from outside.
06:06They are all saying that it is very bad.
06:08This is the right impression.
06:09This is the right report.
06:10Does Khan Sahib think so?
06:12He commented on the news that was published in the newspaper.
06:19I remember very well that he said that
06:24he does not trust the leadership.
06:27But this atmosphere,
06:29which I got from the news,
06:31he commented on it.
06:33He said that we have no option other than civil disobedience.
06:39There is a continuous crackdown on us.
06:42We are being crushed.
06:44In this crushing,
06:45you have crushed democracy, justice and media.
06:50Democracy in Pakistan is over.
06:52Such incidents are unforgettable.
06:56For the first time,
06:57political bullets were fired in Pakistan.
07:02You should remember that
07:03in 1977,
07:04Brigadier Niaz Kiani and others
07:06refused to fire bullets on their people.
07:09These bullets were fired.
07:10The bullets were denied.
07:12Two ministers took more lines.
07:14They said that firing has been done.
07:16Earlier, it was said that firing has not been done.
07:18These things give us a lot of trouble.
07:20Our people have been martyred.
07:22I am listening to Malik Sahib.
07:24We do not see the discussion going anywhere.
07:26The discussion is moving towards civil disobedience.
07:28Is this the right assessment?
07:30We have given our two-point agenda for the discussion.
07:33If the government has its own agenda,
07:36it will give a counter-agenda.
07:38What is the government doing?
07:39They are making fun of them.
07:41It is not possible that the PTI is also injured.
07:45You should not fire directly at them.
07:47There is a confusion.
07:48On one hand, it is said that
07:49we will talk about the conditions.
07:51Mr. Gauhar has said that
07:52we will talk about the non-conditions.
07:54There is a controlled chaos
07:56from different statements.
07:58There are conditions and non-conditions.
08:00They are based on conditions.
08:01They have moved away from the conditions.
08:02Will they talk without the conditions?
08:04Will they talk freely?
08:05Will they talk to the politicians?
08:07There are different voices in your party.
08:09There is no consensus.
08:11The voice that comes from within
08:13is that of Mr. Imran Khan.
08:15He has said that
08:16if they are empowered,
08:20then we will negotiate with them.
08:22They have to talk about this.
08:24If we have given a two-point agenda,
08:26then they have to give a counter-agenda.
08:28There cannot be a discussion without an agenda.
08:30We do not have to discuss
08:32how to make a consensus with them.
08:34We have to discuss with them.
08:36These are our problems.
08:38On 9th May and 26th November,
08:40you made an independent judicial commission.
08:42You are a denier of it.
08:43You give your evidence.
08:44We will give our evidence.
08:45The judge will listen to both of their opinions
08:47and give a decision.
08:48Secondly, the people who are incarcerated,
08:51you see,
08:52in one case of 9th May,
08:54a petition was presented in Piddi
08:56after a year and a half.
08:58In another case,
08:59a petition was presented after a year and a half.
09:01There is no seriousness in the prosecution.
09:03I want to conclude this debate quickly.
09:05The judicial commission's petition,
09:07will you make it?
09:08And the work of the government,
09:10the prosecution and the investigation,
09:11both have to be done.
09:12Absolutely right.
09:13I will definitely say that
09:15the jokes should be non-conditional.
09:17It should be all-encompassing.
09:19It should be on the wider end of the spectrum.
09:21It is not possible that
09:22a two-point agenda
09:23will be put on hold
09:24and then put a gun here.
09:25What is the harm in the judicial commission?
09:26No, it will be there.
09:27It will be part of it.
09:28It will be part of it.
09:29Because some of your ministers say
09:30that the bullets were not fired.
09:31Some ministers say that the bullets were fired.
09:32For your government,
09:33it is important that you decide
09:34whether the bullets were fired or not.
09:36Look, I am on record.
09:38I have said that the bullets were fired
09:40en route to Islamabad.
09:42And here, the bullets were fired
09:43from Ali Amin Gandapur's own guards.
09:45The bullets were fired.
09:46The source of that is different.
09:47But it should also be clear
09:49that the deaths of Ali Amin's guards
09:52due to the firing of the bullets
09:53should also be there.
09:54So tell your information minister
09:56that his statement is different.
09:58The government's statement is different.
09:59There is a lot of disconnect over there.