El intendente de San Antonio, Fausto Rojas, está siendo investigado por la jueza federal Cristina Poser-Penso tras permitir el ingreso sin registro de casi 30 vehículos desde Santo Antônio do Brasil hacia Argentina. Este suceso podría tener conexiones con el caso Logan. La identidad del hijo del intendente fue presuntamente utilizada para sacar a un menor del país de manera ilegal.
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00:00He admitted it, he fulfilled it, he promised it, and he fulfilled it.
00:03He is on the line, the mayor of San Antonio, Fausto Rojas.
00:09We have seen the images, I don't know if we can put it,
00:11regarding this border crossing from San Antonio to Santo Antonio do Brasil,
00:17where almost 30 vehicles have entered Argentina,
00:21without any kind of registration.
00:23There is the video, we understand that some kind of internal summary has been formed,
00:28and the judge Cristina Poser-Penso, federal judge of Goya,
00:32is investigating this event to see if it has any connection with the Logan case.
00:38We welcome this program to Fausto Rojas.
00:42Good afternoon, Fausto, Diego Esteves, Nabuel Suarez, Lucia Baldi, and Carlos Sanchez.
00:47Hello, how are you?
00:48How are you, sir?
00:49Good afternoon.
00:50Good afternoon, sir.
00:51Yes, we are waiting for you.
00:54Bye.
00:55Good afternoon, sir. How are you?
00:57Nabuel Suarez greets you.
00:58Good, good.
00:59The question is as follows.
01:00Did you go through that border crossing outside the legal schedule?
01:04I'll tell you a little bit.
01:05I'm going to cut you a little bit.
01:07That was on September 7th.
01:09It was a meeting...
01:11I don't know how...
01:15It would be cut there.
01:17Well, it is cut quite a bit, Fausto.
01:21It was a football meeting with the neighboring country, Santo Antonio.
01:27It is a meeting that takes place every 60 years.
01:31There is a very nice integration between brotherly towns, twin cities.
01:35And there was a shortcoming.
01:37The games ended at exactly 7 o'clock.
01:40When the entire population of San Antonio was returning,
01:44we found that the path was closed.
01:47And there were families with children, adult people returning to their country.
01:53But it was the first time that this inconvenience occurred.
01:58And with this I want to publicly thank the National Gendarmerie,
02:02which has solidarized with the people of San Antonio.
02:05Thanks to that, all those families were able to return to their homes.
02:09Fausto, it doesn't matter if we call it by the name of Pila, right?
02:14This program is like this, it is more horizontal.
02:19How many inhabitants does San Antonio have?
02:27You lost a little of the signal.
02:30San Antonio has about 14,000 inhabitants.
02:3414,000, because you say that the entire town of San Antonio...
02:38I imagine it is a way of saying, because there were less than 30 vehicles.
02:44This is an integration of so many years.
02:46I went to Úrsula, including the videos of the meeting
02:49where I was transmitting Caradozo, Lobo de Brasil.
02:53In other words, it is a very beautiful integration of brotherly towns.
02:57They mix the case of Lobo, they mix the case of delinquents.
03:02No, there are good people passing, there are working people passing.
03:06There are 50,000 steps that pass and the delinquents want to pass.
03:09They are not going to pass right through the neighboring step.
03:13People pass, working people pass, healthy families.
03:18And I tell you more, there are about 3,000 Argentine citizens who work in Brazil.
03:24And we have to be very grateful to the Brazilian people, to the brotherly people
03:28who give us work, to our people.
03:30Thanks to that, the women also live.
03:33So I look at it with another eye.
03:35I don't want them to mix those things of traffickers,
03:39of Loba in that story.
03:41That's all, verse.
03:42If they want to pass, they can pass through any place,
03:45but they are not going to pass through the bridge.
03:47So I publicly asked the National Gendarmerie to liberate the step.
03:53And you have to give a prize to the people because they solidarized themselves.
03:57A prize.
03:58Those guys are waiting for the...
04:01A prize, he tells me.
04:02To stabilize the step.
04:03So I am very happy with the National Gendarmerie,
04:07because they were able to open the step and our people were able to return to Spain.
04:11But it has nothing to do with Loba or another story.
04:13Let's see, Lieutenant.
04:14Can you hear me?
04:15Can you hear me?
04:16So far, I have been listening to you.
04:18It seems to me that no reason, if it is not for a health emergency,
04:23a law can be violated.
04:25Yes?
04:26That is, and less because they come from playing a football game,
04:29beyond the brotherhood that we can have with the people of Brazil.
04:34Second, they do a favor to the alert to Sofia,
04:39they do a favor to the issue of human trafficking,
04:42they do a lot of problems that Argentina has with filtration.
04:48And I'm going to explain why.
04:49Let me finish and you will have your moment.
04:51There are 100 kilometers of border if you want to pass.
04:54No, no, I'm not interested.
04:56I'm interested in the legal.
04:58We already know what the illegal is.
05:00The legal is that you, as a lieutenant,
05:03you cannot allow a barrier to be raised
05:06at a time that is not allowed.
05:18I hear you, Lieutenant.
05:24It is interrupted a little.
05:26Let's try to improve communication.
05:30I think it's fantastic.
05:32Let's give information, but a fact first.
05:34The step, because someone may have forgotten that fact,
05:37that step is open from 7 in the morning to 7 at night,
05:43from 7 to 19.
05:45Those vehicles that are seeing pass,
05:47they passed between 20.15 and 21, off schedule.
05:51I would like to.
05:52Do I still have it online, Lieutenant?
05:54Hello.
05:55Hello.
05:56Well, Lieutenant, in the record of the National Gendarmerie
06:00and the border and customs,
06:03there are 15 cars.
06:0515, when I'm counting 28.
06:08And not only are there 28,
06:10but no car was registered,
06:12nor was it scanned,
06:14nor were the trunks opened.
06:16Is it normal?
06:17Another thing I tell you, as I repeated to you,
06:21if the criminals want to pass,
06:23they will pass through any other place.
06:26No, but it doesn't work in a country like this.
06:29I understand you, Lieutenant.
06:31It doesn't work in a country like this.
06:33Ah, if the criminals want to pass, they go the other way,
06:35not this way.
06:36Someone checked, scanned the cars,
06:39took names by name of people who entered our country.
06:44You don't see the images.
06:47Well, I tell you, Roman,
06:49as a lieutenant, I did and would do the same again
06:54in defense of my people.
06:56And I would do the same again,
06:58but that will not be repeated anymore.
07:00It was an exceptional case, for the only time.
07:03It was 20 minutes late and it generated that.
07:06But as a lieutenant, I have to defend my family.
07:09Do you have the notebook?
07:11Yes.
07:12You have...
07:13It may be that you have an agreement.
07:15That.
07:16Verbal and political.
07:17Verbal and political agreement.
07:19You and some personalities.
07:21With a guy who has a supermarket with a fuel dispenser?
07:27I have nothing to do with it, I don't know what to mix.
07:30No, no, I ask you, I don't mix.
07:32I don't know, I don't have anything to do with that story.
07:35Yes, I am interested in those comments that come out.
07:39What?
07:44How, Lieutenant?
07:48It's like the cuts just when you have to answer things.
07:53Well, he's explaining well.
07:54He's explaining well.
07:55At least he faces the lieutenant.
07:57Without a doubt.
07:58And he would do what he did again, he says.
08:00Yes, and he says it was all good people.
08:02In defense of the family.
08:04Okay, but you know what happens, Lieutenant?
08:06You say we were all family.
08:08To the entire Argentine people,
08:12they didn't give us the chance to know
08:14if they were all good families.
08:16Why didn't anyone register them?
08:22It's not my responsibility.
08:23I'm a journalist, not a lieutenant.
08:29What do you mean no one registers them?
08:30But that's your problem.
08:34Okay, Lieutenant, it's your responsibility,
08:37not the journalist's.
08:40That's why.
08:41It's my responsibility,
08:42and I don't think I did the right thing
08:44in defense of our family.
08:51Tell me one thing.
08:53Yes, tell me.
08:54What would you do with those families,
08:56those kids there?
08:57Would you leave them on the side of the road?
09:00I wouldn't leave them on the side of the road.
09:02I would make them legally pass through that place.
09:08And if it was a sanitary emergency...
09:12Perfect.
09:14Then we would leave them on the other side of the road.
09:19What do you mean?
09:20I don't understand.
09:21Okay, what he says...
09:22I'm going to give you the right to say something, Fausto.
09:25I'm going to give you the right to say something.
09:27The officials who are forced to carry out the control
09:32are the gendarmes.
09:34What I absolutely disagree with you
09:36is that you should congratulate them
09:38and say that what they did was right.
09:41For a fact,
09:42and it's not us who denounced this,
09:45but we got to these images
09:48from an investigation and diligence
09:52carried out by the federal judge of Goza,
09:55Cristina Posarpenso.
09:56Otherwise, it seems like we're making something up.
09:59As I told you,
10:00that was the only time that incident happened.
10:03Well, that's what you're saying.
10:05And we hope it doesn't happen again.
10:07It shouldn't happen again.
10:08You know that what happened is illegal, right?
10:10My attitude...
10:14But you know...
10:15I want to understand something, sir.
10:17Do you know that you violated a rule?
10:22There are so many things that are done wrong.
10:25But that's not justified.
10:28Sorry, Fausto.
10:29Lucia greets you.
10:30Saying that things are wrong.
10:32Hello, Lucia. How are you?
10:33It's a pleasure.
10:34Saying that things are done wrong
10:37by the provincial governments,
10:38by the authorities,
10:39doesn't justify doing things wrong.
10:41Well, Lucia.
10:42Yes, I'm listening.
10:43Lucia, in your place,
10:44I don't know if you're a mother or not.
10:46No, I'm not.
10:47What would you do?
10:48But it's a crime.
10:49Because if something happens to those children,
10:52for letting it happen,
10:53for this border crossing,
10:54without asking for documentation,
10:56what do we do?
10:57What do we do if a minor is passing
10:59without his parents?
11:00How do you know that?
11:06It's a shame we can't hear you.
11:11No, sorry, Fausto.
11:12Communication doesn't let us hear you.
11:18Well, but...
11:19Let's see.
11:20I want to clarify something.
11:21First, the lieutenant,
11:22surely the deliberate council
11:25will take note
11:26and ask for explanations
11:29because the lieutenant is in favor
11:31of a law being passed, right?
11:33Of course.
11:34Second, he should file a complaint
11:35that they didn't do their job.
11:37And third, you tell me,
11:39well, it was an accident,
11:43whatever it was,
11:44people shouldn't be registered
11:46or checked to enter the cars.
11:48Of course.
11:49Why?
11:50Because with that criterion,
11:51I can say,
11:52well, I'm not going to leave kids on the street.
11:54Well, okay, you're right.
11:55Tell him he's right.
11:56Well, let's register them.
11:58Let's scan the cars.
12:00Let's see who the people are
12:01and what they have in the cars.
12:03Because I can bring
12:0414 stolen kids
12:06and 17 kilos of cocaine,
12:07if I want to,
12:08with that criterion.
12:09Why?
12:10So the kids don't sleep on the other side.
12:12So things have to be done right, boy.
12:14There's something the lieutenant
12:15isn't going to say,
12:16and that is journalistic information,
12:19and that is that what people
12:22who have witnessed
12:24are reporting
12:25is that there would be a verbal agreement,
12:30a verbal and political agreement
12:32so that some,
12:34not all,
12:35not all, San Antonio,
12:37some influential people in San Antonio,
12:40businessmen, traders,
12:42can enter and leave
12:44as if nothing,
12:45it's true,
12:46from 7 to 19,
12:48regardless of the time,
12:49even,
12:50and I take advantage of the fact
12:51that the lieutenant is listening to me,
12:52within...
12:53This is bad news.
12:54This is bad news.
12:55Yes.
12:56This is bad news.
12:57It's not like that.
12:58This is bad news.
12:59There are things...
13:00But no, no, it's...
13:01What interests me
13:02is that September 7
13:03that the family stayed on the other side.
13:05What I just told you is a lie, Fausto?
13:08What I'm telling you,
13:09what interests me,
13:10and we're dealing with September 7,
13:12that the family stayed on the other side.
13:14Ah, well, but you don't deny
13:15that there is a parallel agreement.
13:17The rest is not...
13:18Because in a report,
13:19if you want,
13:20I'll send you the document in private
13:21because we don't want to expose anyone.
13:23There is a document,
13:25an official document
13:27that states that a certain Grondona,
13:30if I remember correctly, Pablo,
13:32who is the owner of ConstruLeader,
13:34a construction company in his town,
13:35I imagine you must know him
13:36because they tell me
13:37that he played the game with you,
13:39would have threatened to kill
13:41an immigration official.
13:45Look, I don't think Pablo was on the other side.
13:48Not Pablo.
13:49I don't think Pablo was on the other side.
13:50I didn't see him, at least.
13:52He didn't play with you?
13:54No, I didn't play football.
13:56And what did you do there then?
13:59Ah, what happens is that...
14:01Because you don't understand
14:02what happens at the border.
14:0360 years that there is a meeting...
14:05Ah, we're stupid, we...
14:07We don't understand anything,
14:08that's our problem.
14:09I passed Ursula there.
14:11What happened to Ursula?
14:12What is done on May 25th,
14:14September 7th,
14:15the meetings,
14:16including the one I have today...
14:17But it seems to me...
14:18Look, Fausto...
14:21I'll tell you something, dear Fausto,
14:23I'll tell you something.
14:25I am Brazilian,
14:26so you don't have to explain Armandano
14:28in the least,
14:29because I am a Brazilian
14:30of Argentine mother,
14:31who lives here as a child.
14:33So I understand it more than anyone else.
14:35Now,
14:36what I'm seeing in the images
14:38is something illegal.
14:42You should have denounced
14:44this as a public official,
14:46and not have been part of it.
14:48Let's see,
14:49you are a public official, right?
14:52What?
14:53You are a public official.
14:54Exactly.
14:55Good.
14:56Why didn't you denounce this irregularity?
15:02I repeat,
15:03you are a public official,
15:05why didn't you denounce the irregularity?
15:08What irregularity for you?
15:10Irregularity is to be crossing
15:12a border...
15:13Well, if you want to speak,
15:14you speak.
15:15For me,
15:16it's not irregularity.
15:17Oh, no?
15:18That two Argentines
15:19cross our country...
15:20That they don't check,
15:22that they don't check
15:23what's inside the cars,
15:25or know who the people are.
15:27It's not illegal?
15:29Tell me,
15:30100 kilometers that pass anywhere.
15:32No, no, no,
15:33I don't have to tell you...
15:34The answer is yes or no.
15:35The answer is yes or no.
15:36The question,
15:37I am the journalist,
15:38and I ask you,
15:39is it legal
15:40for people to cross our country
15:42without registering
15:43and without checking the vehicles?
15:45Well, that's another issue.
15:47No, no, no,
15:48I'm asking you,
15:49I'm asking you,
15:51that's a crime,
15:52it's classified
15:53in our criminal code.
15:54Did you denounce it?
15:58I'm going to denounce
15:59that my children,
16:00my families
16:01were left in the country,
16:02no, negative.
16:03That's called,
16:04that's called
16:06bad performance
16:07of your functions.
16:09Yes, it's a criminal offense.
16:10Yes.
16:11Yes, it's a criminal offense.
16:12Stop with you.
16:14You should denounce
16:16because he's a public official
16:18and that's why the state
16:20and the people pay a salary.
16:24Negative,
16:25you know how I think.
16:28Let's see.
16:30I'm happy that our people
16:32were able to register.
16:34Because the law has to be,
16:36Fausto,
16:37the law has to be the same for everyone.
16:39There can't be,
16:40let's say,
16:41a law for a certain group of people
16:43and when someone was just talking
16:44about emergency,
16:45sanitary...
16:46And a public official...
16:47That's called common sense.
16:48And a public official...
16:49There's a law,
16:50you can't choose one
16:52for common sense.
16:53A public official
16:54chosen by the people
16:56must be the most rigorous
16:58when it comes to
17:00ensuring that the law is followed.
17:03If it's not for a case
17:04of extreme urgency
17:06that goes to someone's life,
17:08everything else is nonsense.
17:10It was a case for me,
17:11it was a case for the inspection.
17:12We hear you,
17:13I ask you to listen to me.
17:15I hear you,
17:16I ask you to listen to me.
17:17I'm done,
17:18my intervention is short.
17:19A public official
17:20must ensure
17:21like no one else
17:22and rigorously
17:23that the law is followed.
17:25There is absolutely
17:27no emergency situation
17:29in these images
17:30that we are seeing
17:31to prevent
17:32that the person
17:33who enters
17:34and the vehicles
17:35that enter
17:36are registered.
17:37Because,
17:38I don't know if
17:39out of innocence
17:40or whatever,
17:41you think
17:42that a criminal
17:43who is going to enter
17:44our country
17:45is going to enter
17:46wearing a hood
17:47and a gun in his hand
17:48or is he going to pretend
17:49to be a family man
17:50with his three kids
17:51and in the trunk
17:52hide absolutely
17:53anything?
17:54As much as...
17:55That is to find
17:56the fifth leg of the cat.
17:57What do you mean
17:58the fifth leg of the cat?
17:59Let's see,
18:00I want to tell you
18:01the truth
18:02and with all due respect
18:03to the world,
18:04or it seems to me
18:05that you
18:06are not understanding
18:07the situation
18:08that we are in
18:09or it seems to me
18:10that you
18:11are not understanding
18:12the seriousness
18:13of the matter
18:14because
18:15assessing a crime
18:16being a public official...
18:17I'm not assessing a crime.
18:18But let me speak,
18:19please.
18:20I'm not assessing a crime.
18:21Everything is being distorted.
18:22I'm never assessing a crime.
18:23What do you mean?
18:24If you tell me
18:25that it's okay
18:26not to check the cars
18:27or the people
18:28who go inside.
18:29Excuse me,
18:30is it classified
18:31as a migratory crime?
18:32In fact...
18:33Illegal traffic
18:34of people.
18:35How do you know
18:36if it's legal or illegal?
18:37Because you don't know
18:38if it's legal
18:39or illegal.
18:40Because you don't know
18:41if it's legal
18:42or illegal.
18:43The only thing
18:44that's clear
18:45is that you cannot
18:46do that to us.
18:47That's what
18:48we were talking about.
18:49Fausto,
18:50can you give us
18:51a second
18:52if you are so kind
18:53because we want...
18:54The truth is
18:55that we give you
18:56the right
18:57to answer.
18:58I would like
18:59you...
19:00and I would like
19:01you to give us
19:02a response
19:03based on this
19:04and listen to the testimony
19:05that we are going to...
19:06a question
19:07She's also listening to you.
19:09It's a mother to whom they used...
19:12Sorry if I don't give the correct information,
19:14but Yanina corrects me.
19:17They kidnapped her, they used her son's identity
19:20to cross a minor
19:23and get an illegal minor out of the country
19:25with the identity of her own son.
19:28Is that right, Yanina?
19:30Good afternoon, Diego and Nahuel, Carlos and Lucia.
19:35Yes, it's like that.
19:37And what happens to you when you hear
19:39that a mayor of a border city,
19:41in this case, San Antonio Misiones,
19:42says that it's okay
19:45that they let more than 30 people pass
19:50without registering?
19:53And, on the one hand,
19:56it bothers you, doesn't it?
19:58That these things happen
19:59in the times we are in.
20:02But I think that Argentina is used to
20:04this kind of corrupt politicians, right?
20:09Let's see, it's like that.
20:12They let anything happen for money
20:15and that's what's happening.
20:17That's why there are so many missing children.
20:19Let's see, just because we're used to it
20:20doesn't mean it's okay.
20:22That's why I needed to point it out.
20:24You're absolutely right, Yanina,
20:27but it's not okay to be used to it.
20:29You really choose people
20:32so that they represent you and do things right,
20:35so that they comply with the law.
20:38Of course.
20:42Of course it's not okay.
20:44It's obvious that it's not okay.
20:45But that's why I wanted to make my son's case public,
20:48what's happening to him,
20:50so that someone can take action on the matter,
20:53investigate, find out what happened.
20:56How can an underage person
20:58cross the border to Paraguay
21:01without any kind of permission?
21:05Without permission, without authorization,
21:08with a forged document.
21:11How?
21:12Of course.
21:13That's it.
21:14We'll leave that question to Yanina.
21:16Of course, you'll tell us in detail
21:18what you're going through,
21:20what happened to your son,
21:22but I'll leave it to Fausto,
21:24your story.
21:26We understand, Fausto, the seriousness of the problem,
21:28that it's not about the 30 inhabitants of San Antonio,
21:33but that the flexibility on the border
21:36and the lack of rigidity
21:38can end up with a minor deportation from the country
21:41in an illegal way.
21:43Do you understand that, Fausto?
21:45Very well.
21:46I think what he doesn't understand is that
21:48it was an exceptional accident
21:50that took 20 minutes.
21:52The families with the boy were left stranded
21:54and the families just crossed the border
21:57without permission.
21:59Could a minor have crossed illegally?
22:01There was a minor.
22:03If they want to cross, they can do it anywhere.
22:05Were there minors who entered without registration that day?
22:08There were whole families.
22:10There was the father and the mother.
22:12How do you know it was the father and the mother?
22:14Because we were at the sports field
22:16at the integration party with the people.
22:18And who believed that those parents
22:21were the real parents of those boys?
22:23Who gave the order that we saw in the video?
22:25It seems that you didn't understand what I told you.
22:27Ah, we didn't understand.
22:29Let's see, explain it to me again.
22:31People cross illegally.
22:33There are 50,000 illegal crossings.
22:35Of course, that's what's worrying.
22:37If there are 50,000 illegal crossings
22:39and on top of that, in the official,
22:41they do what they want...
22:43Fausto, the question is,
22:45do you understand that it's a crime?
22:47Is it okay for you?
22:49It's not okay for me, right?
22:51But it's okay, but on the other hand,
22:53there are two options.
22:55On the one hand, the law says that,
22:57and on the other hand...
22:59It's true what Damián says.
23:01It's not a moral issue.
23:03It's a legal issue, not a moral one.
23:05Let's see, if you're so responsible,
23:07so responsible, as you say,
23:09why didn't you return before
23:11and be able to enter
23:13at the time you were supposed to enter?
23:15But it was an accident.
23:17Accident?
23:19It was an accident.
23:21What happened?
23:23Was there an accident on the road?
23:25Did a plane crash?
23:27Did two meteorites hit?
23:29I'll tell you.
23:31I passed Ursula
23:33the events we organized.
23:35What's the accident?
23:37The accident is that
23:39the meetings were delayed.
23:41What meeting? A football match?
23:43No, no, it's not a football match.
23:45It's a 60-year tradition
23:47between both villages.
23:49No, I'm not interested.
23:51With that criterion,
23:53with that criterion,
23:55by tradition,
23:57a lot of crazy things
23:59could be done.
24:01I think we have to comply with the law.
24:03I hope that never happens again.
24:05I don't want it to happen again.
24:07Don't go to the championships
24:09and it's over, it won't happen again.
24:11Come back earlier.
24:14We're going to do what you say.
24:16We're going to get rid of all the abandoned families.
24:18We're going to get rid of all the abandoned families.
24:20Something that I think is very serious
24:22coming from a public official
24:24is that
24:26because
24:28border crossings are permeable,
24:30let's say, if they kill people on the side,
24:32I can shoot them.
24:34If anyone can enter
24:36from the side,
24:38once we cross
24:40nothing happens.
24:42Do you know what you're going to remind me of?
24:44When the 9th of July mayor
24:46said,
24:48well, if everyone knows that falopa happens here,
24:50things happen, kids are stolen.
24:52I was going to say,
24:54but you can't be saying this.
24:56If you know that they sell falopa,
24:58why didn't you tell us?
25:00You have to report him.
25:02He's not just a neighbor.
25:04He's a public official.
25:06And if he commits a crime in front of you,
25:08you have the obligation to report him.
25:10I can't approve anything
25:12from a public official.
25:14But, for example,
25:16as our producer says,
25:18in the Copa Libertadores,
25:20those football players
25:22who have a ban on leaving the country
25:24can't go play football.
25:26But of course, it's something massive,
25:28and that's the facade they want to show us.
25:30Then the reality is this,
25:32that you live in,
25:34of officials who protect crimes, right?
25:36No, no, I don't protect crimes.
25:38I protect, another thing,
25:40I protect that Argentine families
25:42don't get thrown in the mud.
25:44Never above the law.
25:46But you're also protecting
25:48the person with that,
25:50because one day it's a party
25:52and another day it's the illegal
25:54income of a minor,
25:56it's the income of a person
25:58above the law.
26:00Never above the law.
26:02You have to watch out
26:04for each of your citizens.
26:06He's obviously from your town,
26:08he voted for you,
26:10and he says to me,
26:12Bernardo Didi-Goyen,
26:14ambulances and funeral cars
26:16always pass by,
26:18and all the staff
26:20registers themselves,
26:22even the dead.
26:24I'm in a hurry.
26:26Let's see if he closes the barrier.
26:32It never happened?
26:34No?
26:36He's in a hurry now.
26:40He had to hurry
26:42to be able to enter
26:4420 minutes earlier.
26:46I'll call you tomorrow,
26:48no problem.
26:50I thank you,
26:52and I really hope
26:54that the deliberative council
26:56of your town
26:58picks up the glove
27:00and investigates what happened,
27:02thank you.
27:04It's incredible.
27:06To be honest,
27:08I think it's detestable.
27:10Why do you think
27:12that when we talk about politics,
27:14I don't want to talk about it?
27:16Do you know why?
27:18Because that's how they think.
27:20I have it long,
27:22I do what I want.
27:24And I won't forget
27:26when that father
27:28was holding the child
27:30for 12 years.
27:34When I hear...
27:36I have to be careful
27:38when I speak.
27:40These guys,
27:42because to me they are guys,
27:44are called public officials,
27:46and I am proud
27:48and I want to congratulate
27:50those who do bad things,
27:52and I can say that
27:54because I am an official.
27:56The day this blessed country
27:58does what it has to do
28:00and the one who does bad things
28:02pays whoever it is,
28:04that's when we'll start
28:06talking about the country
28:08and that's when I'll be interested
28:10in talking about politics.
28:12Because when I talked to him
28:14I remembered the girl
28:16in her arms with the father
28:18crying that she was dying.
28:20Let's look at the photo.
28:22Abigail, 12 years old,
28:24in the middle of a pandemic,
28:26the most important thing
28:28is a tradition
28:30of a football game
28:32than a life of 12 years.
28:34Or that they control
28:36ambulances,
28:38funeral cars,
28:40the dead person
28:42who goes inside
28:44in that same place.
28:46And the mayor tells me
28:48I think it's good
28:50that everything happens.
28:52And if in the car
28:54the driver is a family member
28:56of the neighborhood,
28:58that's the answer.
29:00What I find outrageous
29:02is the impudence
29:04of Abib Abos.
29:06Yes, yes, but they go everywhere.
29:08We can translate it because
29:12he speaks to you like a peasant
29:14in a flat language.
29:16He is a public official
29:18who in a channel
29:20like A24
29:22a news channel
29:24of the most important
29:26in Argentina,
29:28almost on open television,
29:30confessed
29:32that he committed a crime
29:34and was part of a crime
29:36in front of his nose.
29:38He congratulated the gendarme
29:40that you are seeing on the screen
29:42that he followed the orders of a civilian.
29:44He said he would do it again.
29:46He would do it again.
29:48He would do it again,
29:50but he was controlled
29:52by a person with two tickets.
29:54And the person who didn't notify
29:56was suspended.
29:58Do you understand where we are?
30:02The most serious thing
30:04is that we find out
30:06about these things
30:08because of the Loan.
30:10They open a pot
30:12and we start to find out
30:14what happens in the country.
30:16Not for stigmatizing,
30:18This is not the only fact.
30:20In every corner of the country,
30:22without belittling the work of many officials
30:25who must do their job very well,
30:27but the naturalization of crime is very serious.
30:30Because it is not an intendant who is saying,
30:32we made a mistake and we are going to take measures
30:35based on what is happening and there will be consequences.
30:38Defend a crime!
30:40There is no notion of what is right and what is wrong
30:43and there is no notion of potential legislation.
30:46Unfortunately, it is a constant,
30:48because I remember the intendant of 9 de Julio, Insaurralde,
30:51justifying that he received a departure
30:54that did not make any sense to help in the loan cause,
30:58that he renewed the departure for next year
31:01with the taxes of the Correntinos,
31:03of the inhabitants of 9 de Julio, for next year.
31:05Who knows what for?
31:07In an explicit way, and you take it out in the air
31:09and you justify it and you bank it.
31:11A governor, the current one,
31:13to cite examples that come to mind,
31:15the current governor, Gustavo Valdez,
31:17saying that there was a criminal case
31:19that was in the hands of the federal justice,
31:21saying, we are one step away from solving it
31:23when it is a sphere that should not interfere
31:25at the very least in the tasks of the judicial power.
31:29We naturalize what is wrong, the crimes.
31:32First, you don't have to naturalize anything.
31:34Second, the intendant answers you,
31:38and you there, and you here, what?
31:41And you here, what?
31:44And the steps, we have illegal steps.
31:47And you fight them?
31:49And you fight them? No.
31:51And for the legal, because I would do it again
31:54for a humanitarian issue.
31:56A humanitarian issue is something else, maestro.
32:00Humanitarian was that they let the 12-year-old
32:03pass in the arms of the father dying.
32:06That is humanitarian in a football game.
32:09Do you remember Zimagen?
32:12Do you remember Zimagen?
32:15When that girl was dying,
32:19and we said, no, don't let her pass,
32:22because the steps are not allowed.
32:24Do you remember?
32:27So what country do we want to live in?
32:29What side of history do we want to stay on, guys?
32:33I want to stay in the history of the country
32:37in a rule of law
32:39where we are all equal before the law,
32:43and not that a public office gives you benefits.
32:48Because I argued
32:52if nothing happened in those cars.
32:55How many times did the same thing happen?
32:58Even worse, if I can give you the right hand
33:02and say, hey, let's look at the minors,
33:06let's look at the cars, let's look at the scanner,
33:09and if you are so handsome,
33:11so handsome in the sense of a mayor,
33:14what would you do?
33:16Well, I take mine out of my pocket
33:19and I pay the family a hotel on the other side
33:22and at the first hour of the morning I let them pass.
33:24I take it out, I put mine on,
33:26and let the people rest on the other side,
33:28and when they are authorized, let them pass.
33:30With registration.
33:31Who passes? Let's see.
33:33Let's see, boy, I'm going to pass it to you.
33:35Ah, you don't have a badge, pass.
33:37Do you have an iron? No, you don't have an iron, pass.
33:39So, I don't know if it happened in those cars.
33:42Cocaine, marijuana, kidnapped people,
33:45drug trafficking.
33:46So why the hell do we have the Sofia Alert?
33:49If a mayor says he's fine and would do it again,
33:52let people pass like that.
33:54And he does it, you know what?
33:55Look for me, please, Damián.
33:57I understand that Senator Cuíder just spoke,
33:59Edgardo Cuíder, you know?
34:01He crossed the border with $200,000.
34:03Look for me the text, because he just broke the silence
34:07naturalizing what he did.
34:09I mean, it goes from, without taking away anyone's merit,
34:12from the mayor of San Antonio,
34:15a small border town,
34:17resignations,
34:19to a national senator.
34:22That's what it is, Cata.
34:24They think they are more than they can rewrite everything,
34:28and no, above that we are.
34:30Not us journalists, you who are on the other side.
34:33The citizens, what is known as the sovereign,
34:36that we have made a constitution that has to be above everything,
34:39based on the constitution,
34:41a congress that dictates laws,
34:44and they go through it, you know where.
34:48They go through it, you know where.
34:50They, because when you do something wrong,
34:53when you are late with a monotribute payment,
34:56it's the end of the world and you are in a big problem.
34:59Look, they can do everything and they say it in front of the camera.
35:03And if you talk, if you talk, you are bad milk.
35:07Ah, well.
35:08No, no, really.
35:09You are bad milk.
35:10It's pathetic, it's pathetic.
35:12I don't understand.
35:13I thought he was going to apologize.
35:15If the deliberative council should ask for an extraordinary session
35:20and analyze if this person is able to continue being a mayor.
35:26Because if he recognizes a crime and he would do it again,
35:30we are in trouble, guys.
35:32That's where the phone cut off, right?
35:34It cut off.
35:35Yes, tomorrow we'll talk.
35:36Tomorrow we'll talk about nothing.
35:37How much political judgment, right?
35:39But you know what?
35:40With that criterion, tomorrow he will tell you,
35:43well, hey, people are unemployed,
35:45let them pass the cocaine and sell it,
35:47because they are unemployed, understand?
35:48There is hunger.
35:49Let the kids start selling falopas.
35:51Hey, if I were...
35:52But what's up, because we are friends.
35:53The federal judge, Cristina Posar Pérez,
35:55would immediately quote this public official,
35:59because in addition to the air,
36:01let's put it again,
36:03because people are adding up
36:05and I would like everyone to listen to the level of politicians
36:10that still exist today in Argentina.
36:13Like this mayor, he confessed, he didn't pass, right?
36:17He said, there are a lot of illegal steps,
36:19I don't know why they grab him with this.
36:21Speak.
36:22Do you remember the mayor of Nuevo de Julio?
36:24Insaurralde?
36:25What did he say?
36:26What are you talking about?
36:29If there were always drug dealers here,
36:31if drugs were always sold,
36:33ah, well, if you knew,
36:35why didn't you report that he was a public official?
36:37And they tell you bad news, right?
36:39When the law says it clearly,
36:41if a public official sees a crime,
36:43he is forced to report it.
36:46Now, there they tell me,
36:47these are not issues that we do.
36:50Edgardo Cuida was a national senator,
36:53he crossed with a suitcase with $200,000
36:56and he just said,
36:58we keep adding up, right?
36:59They do everything possible because we are outraged.
37:02He said,
37:03it is unheard of that the Senate wants to kick me out.
37:07Luckily,
37:08from one side and from the other,
37:11some want to suspend him
37:13and the others directly want to expel him.
37:16The judge,
37:17I finish,
37:18Sandra Arroyo Salgado,
37:19the judge,
37:20Sandra Arroyo Salgado,
37:22wants to expel him
37:24and suspend him.
37:25At least, to a greater or lesser extent,
37:27some want to set an example with this.
37:29After that, it will be the follow-up, right?
37:31Learn between the lines.
37:32Let's see, go ahead.
37:33Learn between the lines.
37:34If I, as a senator,
37:35am telling you,
37:36it is unheard of that you want to kick me out,
37:38because you know that I know everyone
37:40who sits on the benches,
37:42right?
37:44You think that if I fall,
37:45I will remain silent.
37:47So, it is unheard of, guys.
37:49Yes.
37:51It seems to me that,
37:52what Damien says is true.
37:54We have to debate.
37:55Why do you think that the clean sheet thing,
37:57no one says,
37:58I don't give a damn about that.
38:00It would be great.
38:01We are throwing away all the comments we keep.
38:03I never talked about politics.
38:04In a year,
38:05in a year.
38:06Common sense, right?
38:07Stop.
38:08Common sense.
38:09It is common sense.
38:10There it is.
38:11Here is the common sense.
38:12I hope that some public official
38:14has heard
38:17the barbarity
38:19that the red lieutenant said
38:22and that he acts in consequence,
38:24because it is a crime to be a public official
38:27and not only not to denounce a crime
38:30that you are seeing,
38:31but to be an accomplice.
38:33Because if I let it pass,
38:35I have a gendarmerie,
38:36I don't give the order to the gendarmerie
38:39to register what is happening inside the cars,
38:44I am a necessary participant
38:46of a crime that is being committed.
38:48Because go,
38:49go and check
38:51if inside those cars
38:53someone with a treatment issue did not pass,
38:56if Falopa did not pass,
38:57or if a dead person did not pass.
39:00Someone with a criminal record.
39:02That is to say,
39:03if you, for example,
39:04right?
39:05A madness,
39:06I'm going to say a madness.
39:07And I'm not going to put it to the OAS,
39:08don't forget.
39:10I want to plant a body in such a place.
39:14And if I pass it in one of those cars,
39:16I can plant it, right?
39:17Sure.
39:18And where is the record?
39:19Nowhere.
39:20Ah, why?
39:21Because I am the lieutenant and I would do it again.
39:23Sure.
39:24Look.
39:25Without going any further.
39:26Look.
39:27The truth is that the lieutenant,
39:30the senator,
39:31the governor,
39:33the other lieutenant,
39:34they distort everything
39:35because we want to report something
39:38and they treat us like turkeys, right?
39:40Because they say,
39:41no, worse,
39:42because what are they denouncing?
39:43If that is their novelty.
39:44You don't understand.
39:45What is the novelty?
39:46I don't understand.
39:47Of denouncing what?
39:48Young people pass by the border,
39:51that there is smuggling,
39:53that there is narco,
39:54for what?
39:55No,
39:56do something else.
39:57If Argentina works like this,
39:59don't spend,
40:00don't spend more.
40:01But that's where I understand Neuquen's girl.
40:04That's where I understand her.
40:05Let's show,
40:06let's insist,
40:07let's insist.
40:08Although the lieutenant of San Antonio told us
40:10that we are bad milk,
40:11that we speak of obviousness,
40:13that there is no crime
40:14in that 30 cars pass without registration.
40:16There are a lot of borders to pass illegally.
40:17We have a lot of borders to pass illegally.
40:19Look if we are going to pass through here.
40:21Let's tell one more case.
40:23I hope I don't bore anyone with this, right?
40:25Sorry, lieutenant of San Antonio,
40:27but we want to tell the case of Yanina.
40:29Yanina is in Neuquen.
40:31They stole from her.
40:32Listen carefully.
40:34They stole the identity
40:36of her son
40:38to pass a minor
40:40with the identity of her son
40:42to Paraguay.
40:43From Argentina to Paraguay.
40:45To a minor
40:46that we don't know who he is,
40:48but he was not settled in any paper.
40:50That they stole him
40:52because crossing a minor
40:54through the border illegally
40:56is stealing a minor
40:59because there is no kind of judicial authorization
41:01and it's worse, it's mocking the law.
41:03Yanina,
41:04thank you for waiting for us.
41:06The truth is that this boy
41:08took us out of the way
41:10because he doesn't even deserve
41:12to be called lieutenant.
41:13I hope they fire him now.
41:15Can you tell us from the beginning
41:17your case and what you are experiencing?
41:22Yes, the truth is that I was also listening
41:24and I was very surprised
41:26and now I'm more afraid than before.
41:28Because if the lieutenant tells you
41:30it's fine,
41:32how many more guys?
41:36I hope something is done soon,
41:38that someone takes charge of the matter.
41:40Well, on Friday
41:42I'm going to ANSES
41:44because I figured
41:46that I was not going to collect
41:48an assignment for my son.
41:50My son is one year and four months old.
41:52I was usually collecting
41:54every month, except this month.
41:56So I went to ANSES
41:58to see why.
42:00And they tell me
42:02that I'm not going to collect
42:04for my son because he doesn't live
42:06in Argentina.
42:08What do you mean he doesn't live in Argentina?
42:10My son is at my house.
42:12How is he with you?
42:14They told me.
42:16I didn't believe it.
42:18Yes, he is at my house.
42:20I didn't bring him now because I came to see him.
42:22Oh, well, then you're going to have
42:24to go to Migrations
42:26to get a Certificate of Entry
42:28and Departure from the country of the child.
42:30And the other thing is
42:32I go to Migrations on the same Friday
42:34and they give me a certificate
42:36where it says
42:38that my son left the country
42:40on January 19,
42:422024
42:44at 9 in the morning
42:46by Puerto Formosa
42:48to Paraguay
42:50in a boat
42:52by sea, right?
42:54Yes, with the code,
42:56the number of the passage,
42:58everything they used
43:00to get him out of the country.
43:02Do you know how sad this is, Yanni?
43:04Beyond your bureaucratic process,
43:06there is a boy who was robbed
43:08and is in another country.
43:10There is a boy who is robbed
43:12and in another country.
43:14And without knowing why.
43:16Without knowing
43:18if it is for sexual slavery,
43:20labor, or whatever the hell it is.
43:22There is a boy who was robbed.
43:24Beyond your bureaucratic process,
43:26disgusting, horrible,
43:28you have him with you.
43:30But there is a boy who was robbed
43:32and is in another country.
43:34Illegalized in Argentina.
43:36I don't know if it happens to you,
43:38but I have goosebumps
43:40because I am a father,
43:42like Yanina,
43:44and I imagined,
43:46as Nahue says,
43:48a baby,
43:50a baby,
43:52crossing the border
43:54illegally.
43:56A baby was robbed
43:58and I remember
44:00the words of Julieta.
44:02And now,
44:04we have to say it,
44:06Julieta,
44:08the neighbor of July 9,
44:10who dared to speak in front of the camera
44:12because she is not from there
44:14and was not afraid of reprisals.
44:16Let's look for Julieta.
44:18She said that on July 9
44:20it was a factory
44:22of babies.
44:24And Argentina
44:26is a factory of babies.
44:28That's why Yanina is denouncing.
44:30And why?
44:32As Yanina, there must be thousands of cases,
44:34I imagine that the justice office,
44:36based on Yanina's denunciation
44:38of immigration,
44:40must be investigating.
44:42Do you know when I'm going to do it?
44:44Don't you forget that there is someone
44:46because he let all these people
44:48pass and did not denounce them?
44:50So, what are you talking about,
44:52boy?
44:54What are you talking about?
44:56This is not one.
44:58Let's see, the one who spoke beyond the lieutenant,
45:00I don't know him, I don't know his people,
45:02I don't know anything.
45:04It seems pathetic to me, but pathetic.
45:06But he is one of the many politicians
45:08who think like that
45:10and period.
45:12I am worried that no judicial official
45:14will say,
45:16hey, come on,
45:18hey, come on,
45:20what are you saying?
45:22They also naturalize that it is like that
45:24and this has to be like that,
45:26they have to make the law.
45:28Yanina, I want to continue with your story.
45:30You were told that you have to go to migrations
45:32and make some kind of presentation
45:34to find out that your son
45:36is in Argentina
45:38and continue to perceive this benefit
45:40from ANSES.
45:42They told me, this is very serious,
45:44that they were surprised
45:46and made a complaint
45:48in front of the authorities,
45:50in some court, some prosecution.
45:54No, in migrations
46:00They are cutting a little.
46:02In migrations,
46:04my son is not here
46:06in Argentina, there.
46:08In migrations they give me a certificate
46:10where they say
46:12that my son is not in the country.
46:16There.
46:18Yes, yes, there we see you.
46:20And there when you showed your son
46:22that you have him here in the country
46:24and with you.
46:26What did they tell you?
46:28No, I did not go to the federal police,
46:30they did not tell me anything.
46:32Here you have your certificate
46:34that your son is not here.
46:36I went to the federal police
46:38because I did not want to go to the police
46:40because, as happened in the case of Loan,
46:42there was a police officer
46:44who was involved.
46:46I say, where am I going?
46:48I'm not going either.
46:50You know I should tell you no,
46:52but do not laugh at Maciel.
46:54But after listening to the intendant
46:56to talk about a pact
46:58with gendarmes, with migrations,
47:00with customs,
47:02with powerful businessmen of San Antonio,
47:04with an intendant who abandons,
47:06you did well, Yanira.
47:08I regret to say that you did well.
47:10And how did it continue?
47:14And well, I went on Friday
47:16to the federal police,
47:18accompanied by my brother, my mother,
47:20all my relatives.
47:22I did not want to go alone
47:24because I had to take the baby
47:26to justify that the baby is him,
47:28he is here with me.
47:30And if they stole it from me,
47:32and if they took it from me,
47:34then I went to the police,
47:36they had me like four hours in there,
47:38asking me if I had traveled to Formosa,
47:40if I had friends,
47:42if I had relatives,
47:44if I had acquaintances in Paraguay,
47:46asking me many things.
47:48And well,
47:50they take the complaint
47:52as an investigation
47:54of suppression of identity.
48:00Of course, it is a crime that
48:02the police have to intervene.
48:06What do they do?
48:08They do like this.
48:10Where is the paper
48:12that said that Yanira's baby had come out?
48:14Wait, this program stood out for something,
48:16Diego.
48:18We do the parody and show.
48:20You are the lady.
48:22And you bring me the complaint.
48:26Good.
48:28Ancestor official.
48:30The police made me a complaint, I have a certificate...
48:34Listen, tomorrow we're going to the wedding party, it's not the end of the year.
48:38Excuse me, are you talking to me?
48:39Yes, yes, yes, sir.
48:40Yes, tell me.
48:41Here it says crime...
48:43Stop, what happened to your nails?
48:45Nail issue.
48:46Do they do it to me this weekend?
48:48Let's see, stop.
48:49The manicure, this one that treats me when I want...
48:52What happened to the boy?
48:53Sir, I'm worried because I have a baby, which is my son.
48:56I have a birthday party and they say that my baby is in Paraguay.
49:00Why don't you get another one?
49:03Ah, I get another one.
49:05Of course.
49:06We're in Argentina, right?
49:07Yes.
49:08Ah, well.
49:09Do you want to come here?
49:10Yes.
49:11We have to talk to your manager and you come right away.
49:12Ah, well.
49:13No one checks you.
49:14Listen, what's wrong with the paper?
49:15I'm going to give you the ball.
49:16What do you need?
49:17Well, this is the paper that says that my son lives in Argentina.
49:20Are you a businessman?
49:21No, no, I'm a worker.
49:24Ah, you're a worker.
49:25Yes.
49:26What do you work for?
49:27I'm an employee.
49:28What do you work for?
49:29I work for a company.
49:31I'm in the administration department.
49:33But how much?
49:34Do you own it?
49:35No, no, no.
49:36I'm an employee.
49:37I get a salary.
49:38Ah, an employee.
49:39Yes, in fact, I get a benefit.
49:40Well, listen, let's do one thing.
49:41Let's do one thing.
49:42No, no, I'm going to take care of this issue.
49:43Don't worry.
49:44Do you understand?
49:45Good.
49:46Well, that's how this country works.
49:47More or less, right?
49:48Yes.
49:49Pretty good.
49:50Janina, how did it go?
49:51Did you go to the federal police?
49:54Yes, I went to the federal police.
49:55Good.
49:56What did they tell you?
49:57They told me that the federal police told me that I was a crime,
50:01that I was investigated for the crime of identity suppression.
50:04That is, using the identity of your baby in another person.
50:08In this case, I repeat,
50:10I think it's important to say the word baby.
50:14Baby, not minor.
50:17Baby.
50:18Because a baby can't defend itself.
50:21Totally.
50:22He's not a witness and he's not aware of what he's going through.
50:28And I'm telling you, you're the mother of that baby.
50:33You left with the paper.
50:36What did you do?
50:37Because you have a baby that, in theory, is not there.
50:40Your son is not in Argentina.
50:42If something happens, when the police comes,
50:46they say, no, go away.
50:48They put you in jail.
50:49That's why you went with your family
50:51to the Federal Police with a lot of family members,
50:53so that that doesn't happen, right?
50:56Of course, yes, yes.
50:57On top of that, it was Friday, Saturday, Sunday, what was I going to do?
51:01It was two days that until Monday I was just going to be able to continue doing procedures or something
51:06so that, let's see, they take care of us, nothing happens, right?
51:12So, I'm going on Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
51:19with my son, taking care of us at my parents' house,
51:22not going out, not being here, because they could steal it from you.
51:25And where are you going to report?
51:26Ma'am, if your baby hasn't been with you since January, what are you reporting?
51:31Or, as you said, ma'am, your son is not in Argentina.
51:36Who is this baby?
51:38Where did he steal it?
51:39It's not a car, right?
51:40You have to think about it.
51:41It's not that we're talking about a car that one, I don't know,
51:44you left it in the other block, you made the complaint
51:46because you thought they stole it from you and you didn't find it.
51:48And since you made the complaint, you have a kidnapping request,
51:51and you say, well, I'll stay at home with the car for a couple of days
51:54until they lift the kidnapping request.
51:56A child, your son, you didn't leave here.
52:00The innocent, the victims, are the suspects.
52:05The culprits and the victims in Argentina are the ones who don't have to give an explanation, right?
52:10How many more kids?
52:12How many more passed?
52:15How many kids do you think are not in the country and are?
52:19And those kids were stolen and taken to another place,
52:21and here they are not, and they are.
52:25So the investigation must be much deeper,
52:28but much deeper.
52:29Janina realized because she received a Danish benefit
52:32that they cut her off.
52:33Because in theory, the baby had taken him out of the country
52:36and he had no more residence here.
52:39How does it go on Monday, Janie?
52:41What did you do?
52:43You left your house for the time being,
52:45and did you have any dependence to try to regularize this?
52:51From Monday to today,
52:54I go out with the baby every day
52:56because it is the proof that I have that my son is with me, right?
53:01So, take him, I don't know, to ANSES,
53:05see that it is him, take him to migrations,
53:09here is the baby,
53:11take them to the National Register of Persons,
53:14and here, the worst thing,
53:17I say, well, on the one hand, I stay calm
53:19because the news came out in all the media,
53:22nationally, so I'm going to stay calm a little
53:25that nothing is going to happen to us.
53:28Yesterday, when I go to the National Register of Persons,
53:31to see how they do to give me back my son's identity,
53:35that the baby I have is him,
53:38that, I don't know, they take fingerprints from him.
53:40It's the first thing they have to do.
53:42It's the first thing they have to do, that game of chips.
53:45Well, I go and I tell him, I tell him the situation,
53:49I bring everything I have,
53:53he reports everything I have,
53:57and he tells me my role,
53:59my document, I don't have my hands.
54:03There, Shani, she cuts in.
54:04And they tell me, you are the manager.
54:10Shani, Shani, it's very complicated to listen to you.
54:14I want to hear the end.
54:16Let's improve communication, Dami,
54:20because I want to hear the end of the story,
54:22which I imagine you don't have.
54:23I'm not going to have an end.
54:24The end is already open.
54:25Now, I was thinking, while Shani was talking,
54:27you can't take a minor out just with a document.
54:32There has to be an authorization,
54:35if the parents are alive,
54:37an authorization that, yes, for me,
54:42and look, I signed my mother-in-law,
54:44you can make an authorization for an undiscriminated minor,
54:49that is, that anyone can go out with the minor.
54:52You can't falsify a hate document,
54:54the papers and a signature.
54:55It's a paper with a seal and a signature.
54:56It's nothing.
54:57It's a paper with a seal and a signature.
54:58It's nothing.
54:59You see, when they tell you, rubber seal, that's it.
55:01Rubber seal, constantly.
55:04It's very easy.
55:06What is clear is that with the issue of Shani,
55:10the investigation has to be born there,
55:13and how many more kids figure that they are not there,
55:16and they are there,
55:17and those who are there have been robbed.
55:19Shani, well, I continued with your story,
55:22now we listen to you well.
55:23In what situation are you today?
55:29No, I was telling you,
55:31I went to Renaper yesterday
55:34to get his fingerprints or something,
55:36and the boy tells me,
55:38give me the baby's DNA,
55:40I give him the baby's DNA,
55:41he tells me,
55:42are you Yanina Magnago?
55:43Yes.
55:44Do you want my document to see that it's me?
55:46No, no, leave it, you don't have to.
55:48Come on, son of a bitch.
55:50Close it at eight, of course.
55:53I have the baby's birth certificate,
55:55updated with yesterday's date,
55:57and there you have it, that's it.
56:00I mean, anyone can go,
56:02ask for a...
56:04with the data, yes, I'm the mother, and they give it to you.
56:07My God, my God.
56:09That's it, that's how we are.
56:10Well, we have shown how...
56:12Look, in an hour and twenty-five,
56:15we show where we are...
56:17Stopped.
56:18Stopped, and everything we have to evolve.
56:20Those countries that you see in the movies,
56:22and you say, oh, look,
56:23those countries behind, I don't know,
56:25from Africa...
56:27Nothing to envy them.
56:30Gentlemen,
56:31Argentina is a baby factory,
56:35where there are mothers
56:38who give birth
56:40and steal their children,
56:42and they take them from Argentina,
56:45people from all over the world.
56:46Businessman, with money in Argentina,
56:48you do anything,
56:50and if you have a political title,
56:52it has been shown that there is no law that is valid,
56:54that you are above everything.
56:56Yanina, thank you very much.
56:59In these days we will surely call you again
57:01and we will be able to continue talking
57:03about how your situation is going.
57:07Thank you, see you later.
57:10Diego, I think that because of these things,
57:12it is that...
57:15that many times it is not very well seen.
57:19Because you don't have to shut up.
57:20Did we miss something?
57:21No, no, you don't have to shut up, boy.
57:24I understand you, you are a politician,
57:26you are a civil servant, you talk about gendarmerie,
57:28you talk about one, you talk about the other,
57:30you talk about lawyers, you talk about...
57:32obviously it bothers you.
57:34But you know what?
57:36I am going to thank you all my life
57:38for having accompanied me this year.
57:40And me too.
57:42Because that's how journalism is done,
57:44not by shutting up
57:46and exposing whoever you have to expose.
57:48Let's take a short break.