En un debate entre expertos argentinos y españoles, se discute la creciente crisis de vivienda en ambos países. Se menciona el alto costo del alquiler, la falta de espacio y las posibles soluciones, como el alojamiento en cápsulas que ya se utiliza en Japón. También se hace referencia a las diferencias culturales y los desafíos ambientales que enfrentan ambos países.
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00:00You know, I think a lot of people don't have a place to live,
00:02and the rents are very high.
00:04We've seen in Japan how many students sleep in capsules.
00:07And the proposal is also for Spain, Lucio.
00:09Of course, it's surprising because the population of Spain
00:12should be in the 50s.
00:1350 million inhabitants, more or less like us.
00:16Of course, we are 47. It's not that much.
00:18The last census.
00:19Now it's estimated that we are close to 50.
00:21Of course.
00:22Of course, 47 was in the census of 20...
00:2520, it would be.
00:26I think it was 2022 because the pandemic delayed it.
00:29Yes, you're right.
00:30Now we will do a little more.
00:32Of course, the issue is that Spain is the equivalent of the province of Buenos Aires.
00:35So we have 47, 50 million for 8 million,
00:38for 3 million square kilometers.
00:40And Spain has, well, more or less the same
00:43for the equivalent of the province of Buenos Aires,
00:45which is still quite large.
00:46Well, but beyond that,
00:48the problem in the Old Continent
00:51is the space that produces that the properties are expensive to rent.
00:55And then sometimes, even if it seems like a lie,
00:58there are people...
00:59The truth is that if you leave the big urban centers,
01:02you get cheaper rentals.
01:04Sure, 500 euros.
01:05But you buy, in quotes,
01:07an hour, an hour and a half, two hours of travel.
01:09At least.
01:10And the same back to go to work.
01:13Yes.
01:13It's four hours of your life.
01:15What do some people choose, some Spaniards or tourists?
01:19Sleep in capsules.
01:20They are capsules, like the Japanese,
01:23because Japan is an island with more than 100 million inhabitants.
01:26Well, it's a problem.
01:27There are more than 120 islands.
01:29That's why.
01:30What the Japanese do...
01:32It's like when you're going to do that terrible study.
01:35It's a...
01:36The topography.
01:37The topography.
01:38It's terrible.
01:39As it is.
01:40Well, there are people who use it,
01:42maybe because they work all week in the big cities,
01:46especially in Madrid.
01:47Sure.
01:47And then on weekends they go home.
01:50For example, one of the hotels has 52 capsules.
01:54One of the hotels has 52 capsules.
01:56How much does it cost?
01:57Yes, I'm looking at the price.
01:59I'm trying to find out the price.
02:00I think it's a very variable price,
02:02but obviously a cheap hotel in Madrid,
02:06near the main road,
02:07with a lot of luck,
02:09wind in favor...
02:10There it is, look, there's the price.
02:11Look, 35,000.
02:12A cheap hotel costs you 80, 100 euros.
02:15Sure.
02:16Here the capsule costs you 35,000.
02:1835,000 euros, you see, for two.
02:2064,000 pesos.
02:2169, 80.
02:23Yes, there it is.
02:24Now, stop, you get inside,
02:26put it with your partner,
02:27and it closes so hermetically?
02:29And from what you can see, you can close it,
02:31because if not, you are exposing your privacy, right?
02:33No, no, no.
02:34What's more, everyone else is there.
02:36In what street is it?
02:37Look, let's see, how much is the one with more than four capsules?
02:40Let's see, first room, second room,
02:422.20 already.
02:43Ah, 8 people.
02:448 people.
02:452.20, 8 people.
02:46Look, I remember when I was 21 or 22 years old,
02:50did you see the TGV, the high-speed train?
02:53Yes.
02:54I traveled around Europe on the train, obviously, right?
02:58It works great.
02:59Yes, of course.
03:00And you had, you had wagons with 8 beds.
03:03Yes, I slept, it's horrible.
03:04Why?
03:05I didn't sleep all night.
03:06Well, but you come in,
03:07and you get an antenna,
03:09of course,
03:10and there they touch you on the top,
03:12on the third, on the second,
03:13low floor.
03:14You don't meet a Frenchman.
03:15Of course.
03:16Why?
03:17Because you can't breathe.
03:18The European...
03:19Oh, oh, oh.
03:20The European is respectful of personal space.
03:24The European is respectful of personal space,
03:27plus, but if not,
03:29it doesn't have the amount of drinking water we have.
03:31Of course.
03:32To bathe every day.
03:33Of course.
03:33No, but Madrid, yes.
03:34I don't know.
03:35The best water system in Madrid.
03:36Yes.
03:37It's very expensive.
03:38No, but that's why for many decades,
03:39even in the five-star hotels,
03:40the care of the towels and the sink.
03:42At breakfast, one looked at it surprised.
03:44It's not a use.
03:45Now, do you know what you have?
03:46A towel dryer,
03:48so you can leave it for several uses,
03:49for environmental care,
03:51and water saving.
03:52You put it next to the sink.
03:54Exactly.
03:55And you hang it there.
03:56And the separation,
03:57the origin of the garbage,
03:59much more instances are taken care of.
04:01What is used,
04:02especially the people who live,
04:03the students,
04:04rent an apartment between 4 and 5,
04:07which doesn't exist here.
04:08That too.
04:09I think it's called shared floor.
04:11Of course.
04:12Or roommate,
04:13my roommate says.
04:14Let's see.
04:15There are many questions.
04:16I don't know.
04:17I was in Prague,
04:18in the Czech Republic,
04:19the system of garbage collection,
04:20which is underground.
04:21You don't see it.
04:22They are under the ground.
04:23Well, many things that we are still...
04:24And that is the Eastern Europe.
04:25Of course.
04:26But, well.
04:27You know that here...
04:28With the fall of the wall,
04:29from the 90s and so.
04:30In Caballito,
04:31there is a hamburger shop
04:32that has the underground system,
04:33about La Vereda.
04:34Ah, look.
04:35And you can throw the garbage,
04:36and in an underground way,
04:37it has a kind of container.
04:38Of course.
04:39They are those.
04:40Exactly.
04:41The garbage is taken out.
04:42In the south of Spain,
04:43it costs 35 euros.
04:44It starts at 10 at night
04:45until 10 in the morning.
04:46Of course.
04:47How many hours?
04:48More or less.
04:49It is supposed to be
04:50a half-stay.
04:51I ask, I ask.
04:52Yes.
04:53No, I'm kidding.
04:54Do you want to go to the bathroom?
04:55There is a shared bathroom.
04:56Of course.
04:57You can get out of there.
04:58There is a shared bathroom.
04:59And there is a bathroom
05:00like those in the campsites.
05:01You see?
05:02Of course.
05:03There are a little more
05:04technical and cleaner.
05:05It has Wi-Fi.
05:06What can happen?
05:07It has Wi-Fi.
05:08Ah, well.
05:09Yes, really?
05:10It has Wi-Fi.
05:11Of course, you can see.
05:12But what it shows is that a little ...
05:13Well, I don't know
05:14if you remember,
05:15I think it was
05:16in this same program
05:17or in previous years.
05:18Juan Dillon came out
05:19from Paris
05:20telling that he had paid
05:21the department
05:229,000 euros
05:23per square meter.
05:24Of course.
05:25Yes.
05:26Well, and he was able to pay it.
05:27Yes.
05:28Good for him.
05:29I say it's something important.
05:30But ...
05:31Wait, 90 ...
05:329,000 euros per square meter.
05:3390,000 euros
05:34are 10 square meters.
05:35Of course, yes.
05:369,000 euros per square meter.
05:37There are fewer.
05:38Yes.
05:39There are fewer
05:40because the neighborhoods
05:41are more expensive.
05:42But if you ...
05:43For example, in Spain
05:44there was a time
05:45of relatively low prices
05:46when banks
05:47finished off departments.
05:48But that was a few years ago.
05:49Of course.
05:50You know that ...
05:51Today, the square meter
05:52is the best neighborhood in Madrid.
05:53I think it's above
05:544,000, 5,000 euros.
05:55Yes.
05:56In airport 6
05:57they just inaugurated
05:58a similar system,
05:59almost a capsule.
06:00Yes.
06:01Of course.
06:02They are at that price too,
06:0330,000 pesos
06:04at night, more or less.
06:05It is not expensive.
06:06So this modality
06:07is approaching us.
06:08Okay, but that's for those who ...
06:09Of course.
06:10Yes, above all
06:11it must be for the
06:12Flybondi users, right?
06:13That you lose
06:14a lot of flights.
06:15That's for people
06:16who, well,
06:17instead of going
06:18to the city of Buenos Aires,
06:19they missed the flight,
06:20they rescheduled it,
06:21they have to stay
06:22or have a transfer
06:23that lasts two days.
06:24Yes, complication.
06:25Yes, they stay there.
06:26Yes.
06:27For that, we still sleep
06:28in Mar del Plata's tent.
06:29It is more comfortable
06:30than that capsule.
06:31Yes, sure.
06:32What happens is that
06:33I do not know
06:34what the camping system
06:35is like there in Spain.
06:36In Spain, of course,
06:37like the alfaro
06:38of Mar del Plata.
06:39Exactly.
06:40And the other reality
06:41that you have in Spain,
06:42that there is a series
06:43called
06:44Con el culo al aire,
06:45literally
06:46the series is called
06:47like that.
06:48Telecinco.
06:49That tells
06:50the neighborhoods of people
06:51who do not have
06:52a bank to rent
06:53and buy
06:54a roundhouse.
06:55Yes, it is very slow.
06:56It is outside
06:57the big cities,
06:58in a little field,
06:59they have
07:00at least some
07:01drinking water
07:02or they bring
07:03the water to drink
07:04from outside
07:05and they bathe
07:06in water
07:07that serves to bathe
07:08in electricity
07:09and they live
07:10in roundhouses.
07:11A well-priced
07:12roundhouse,
07:13I tell you.
07:14They live in houses
07:15with power.
07:16That in the United States
07:17is very common.
07:18Many couples,
07:19no, but I say
07:20for couples.
07:21Yes, do not give ideas
07:22that to see if
07:23they can think of it here.
07:24No, no, but ...
07:25Do you know
07:26that the Argentines
07:27change them?
07:28Like the container
07:29classrooms,
07:30do not give ideas.
07:31And in Qatar
07:32are the container
07:33apartments
07:34that many Argentines
07:35stayed there
07:36and they were
07:37able to live
07:38together.
07:39They did a little barbecue
07:40there.
07:41Yes, yes, yes,
07:42but you had all the
07:43comforts.
07:44It was a tourist attraction.
07:45Yes, yes, the containers
07:46were very good.
07:47Returning to the
07:48campsites.
07:49The neighborhoods
07:50already accept.
07:51Many private neighborhoods
07:52are accepting
07:53container houses
07:54too.
07:55Yes, yes, yes, of course.
07:56Well, now you have
07:57...
07:58they offer you,
07:59for example,
08:00a whole house
08:01made with containers
08:02or with a dry construction
08:03system
08:04that for you
08:05to get out,
08:06I do not know,
08:07because there is a lot of
08:08offer,
08:09a lot of offer
08:10on Facebook
08:11of this,
08:12but it seems to me
08:13that it is more for
08:14a little field,
08:15a little land,
08:16obviously,
08:17than for the autonomous
08:18city of Buenos Aires.
08:19Yes, but I tell you something,
08:20but today,
08:21in any
08:22of the places
08:23you can choose,
08:24either a luxury country
08:25or a little land,
08:26the construction
08:27is in dry,
08:28it is fashionable.
08:29Yes, yes, yes.
08:30It is fast,
08:31it is agile,
08:32it is easier,
08:33it is cheaper.
08:34Before it was not allowed,
08:35now it is allowed.
08:36Yes.
08:37Well,
08:38thank you.