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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman with the program Sawale Ke Saath.
00:12Today's top stories are the countdown to the final call has started, the government
00:16is trying its best, all the cities have been closed, the borders of Punjab have been sealed,
00:21motorways have been closed, children have been asked to go home from the hostel, the
00:24government is trying to stop this protest.
00:27Tariq-e-Insaaf has insisted on coming to Islamabad, we will talk about this on the first
00:32semester of the program.
00:33Pada Chanar is a bloodthirsty man, but the silence of the mainstream leadership is criminal.
00:37We are not able to see the attention, the sense of urgency that should be there for this
00:42issue.
00:43We will take a look at their statements, how many people have spoken on Pada Chanar today
00:48and how many statements have been made on the statement of Bushra Bibi in comparison
00:52to that.
00:53In Bengal, where should the poor people go, hostels are closed, all the food businesses
00:58are closed, all the taxis are closed, the city is in a state of chaos, schools are closed,
01:06universities are closed.
01:07It seems that this is how it will work in Pakistan and I don't know if it is going on or a rumour
01:11is going on.
01:12Let's start the program.
01:13I would like to start with the incident of Pada Chanar, because I don't know how many
01:18people will have to die there, how many people will have to let go, then the decency of Pakistan
01:23and the mainstream media of Pakistan and the population of Pakistan, the majority population
01:30will seriously take notice of this issue.
01:33In Pada Chanar, 45 people were removed from the buses, fired at them and martyred.
01:41And if this incident had happened in any other country, then the national flag would have
01:44been in full swing and after that we would have seen that all the leaders would have
01:48gathered and tried to find a solution to this problem.
01:51We would have given statements, we would have talked about it, there would have been press
01:55conferences, but unfortunately there is nothing like this in Pakistan.
01:58After the incident of Pada Chanar, we took out a little bit of data, how did they respond
02:04to it.
02:05So, a forced statement came from the Prime Minister's house, there was a forced press
02:10release from Pakistan, we saw that the scene came here.
02:13These are traditional, ready-made press releases, they are released in any such situation.
02:19So, we saw that they were released.
02:21Today, the Minister of Defense, Khawaja Asif, gave a very long press conference and we thought
02:26that there would be a sense of urgency on this serious issue, he would talk about it.
02:30Today, Khawaja Asif has reduced the entire press conference to just one issue and that
02:34is that the video released by Bushra Bibi yesterday, how badly it can affect the security
02:39and the interests of Pakistan.
02:42The 45 people who have been martyred, the law and order situation there, people are
02:46out of their homes, they are protesting.
02:48These are the real issues of national security in Pakistan, which we saw today, the Minister
02:53of Defense did not talk about it.
02:56Today, the Prime Minister gave a speech, he gave his entire speech on the statements
03:00of Bushra Bibi.
03:01The speech of Maryam Nawaz Sahiba was also on the statements of Bushra Bibi.
03:06We know that the Prime Minister, who has come to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, is coming to Islamabad
03:11tomorrow.
03:13Today, he is sitting in an apex committee in Peshawar.
03:16But we have not seen him come to the front foot and talk about this issue.
03:21Will he come to Islamabad tomorrow, leaving his province?
03:24While people are on the streets and are looking for justice for their share.
03:29No one is worried at the moment.
03:31I don't know how many more people will have to go to Parachinar when the nobility and
03:35leadership of this country take this seriously.
03:37Maybe they are the children of the lesser God.
03:39Their blood is not so precious for us.
03:41What are we doing?
03:43We are shutting down Pakistan, Islamabad, Punjab, Lahore.
03:47Because this is Pakistan.
03:49The rest is not Pakistan.
03:51The people of this country are fine.
03:53But Pakistan is just a fight for Punjab.
03:55Pakistan is just a fight for Wifaq.
03:57No matter how many people go abroad, what do we have to do with it?
04:00And this shameless criminal silence and the sense of urgency that how 45 people in your
04:06country have lost their lives.
04:08And we will have to sit together for this.
04:10This problem will not be solved by a few meetings.
04:13Everyone knows that this is a deep-rooted issue.
04:15And we are not seeing this priority.
04:17This is a very sad thing.
04:19In Parachinar, we saw that Bilawal's Twitter account is silent.
04:24Zardai came from a press release.
04:26We saw that.
04:27Mohsin Naqvi, Interior Minister.
04:29We thought that he would be busy on this issue all day today.
04:32He kept attending events at different places.
04:34When he was asked what happened at the SHU, he put this issue on Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
04:39Listen.
04:59Mohsin Naqvi is right.
05:00Mohsin Naqvi is right.
05:01It is the primary responsibility of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government to look at the law
05:04and order situation there.
05:05But Wifaq cannot be exempted from this issue.
05:09This is Wifaq's and our different policies.
05:12As a result, we are seeing that blood is flowing there.
05:15So, it cannot be left to the province alone.
05:20This is everyone's joint responsibility.
05:22Maybe not Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
05:24Certainly, there is more responsibility of the Prime Minister there.
05:29What happened in Padachanar?
05:3145 people, including 6 women, have been injured.
05:34More than 40 people are still injured.
05:36According to the local police, the caravan from Peshawar to Padachanar was targeted.
05:42The Deputy Commissioner said that two caravans were attacked.
05:45There were 10 attackers and insurgents who fired from both sides of the road.
05:49According to the BBC, a caravan of 200 cars was traveling on the road.
05:53It was closed in October after the attack on the caravans.
05:56It was reopened for two weeks.
05:58As of right now, no one has accepted the responsibility of the caravan.
06:06Don is also reporting that incidents of violence continue to happen.
06:11Since July 2024, 80 people have been killed in two caravans.
06:16This is an ongoing crisis.
06:18We were seeing that the central leadership of both the provinces is focusing on this issue.
06:29I don't know what we are doing.
06:31No one is understanding the logic.
06:33Let's start the program.
06:35Dr. Musadeq Malik is with us.
06:37He is the Deputy Minister of Petroleum.
06:39Malik Aamir Dogar is with us.
06:41He is the Chief Web Tehreek-e-Insaaf of the Communist Assembly.
06:43There is a protest going on in Islamabad, Punjab and Peshawar.
06:49The government will stop it.
06:51The PTA will go ahead and reach the D-Chowk.
06:57We will talk about this as well.
06:59First of all, the sense of urgency that I have seen in this issue.
07:07I am not saying that we should leave everything.
07:11But when we have priorities,
07:13whether it is in a city, in Karachi or in Lahore,
07:17do we feel sad about it?
07:19Or do we have a different response?
07:22Have you noticed the difference?
07:24Or is it just me?
07:28First of all, I would like to congratulate you again.
07:32I am congratulating you in every program.
07:35And we all pray for those who have lost their lives.
07:39May Allah grant them a place in the Paradise of Firdaus.
07:42And may Allah give patience to those who are left behind.
07:47I have done three programs on this since yesterday.
07:52And right after your program, there is a fourth program on this.
07:58Apart from me, all the friends of our party and the other party,
08:03Malik Aamir Dogar and I have done a program on this.
08:07All those people are talking about this.
08:12They are talking about policies,
08:14they are talking about terrorism,
08:16they are talking about our failures.
08:20So it is not that we are not talking about it.
08:23Or that no one has talked about it.
08:25I am just an ordinary worker of the party.
08:30If I have done three programs,
08:32and I have to do the fourth in 24 hours,
08:35and Aamir Dogar has done one program with me,
08:39and I am sure there are many more programs.
08:42So everyone is talking about this.
08:45I have seen three informal meetings in front of me.
08:49I am not present there all the time.
08:51In which the same things are going on.
08:53When you enter a room, the same things are going on.
08:56When you go out, the same things are going on.
09:00But the solution to this,
09:02which you are saying is in an emergency,
09:07there is no immediate solution to this.
09:10So the urgency you are talking about,
09:14if someone comes out and says that we can do this immediately,
09:18the fire that we have put out,
09:21for many decades,
09:23is not able to be extinguished.
09:26But no one is letting go.
09:28The second thing is,
09:30it is true that this is the responsibility of the province,
09:34the primary responsibility.
09:36And what you are saying is 100% correct.
09:38I have told you that in front of me,
09:40every time when I entered the Prime Minister's room,
09:43we were talking informally.
09:45So it is definitely the responsibility of Wafaaq,
09:47otherwise why would Wafaaq be talking so much about this.
09:50The real problem, there are two problems,
09:53one is political and the other is policy.
09:55The problem with policy is that
09:57we do not move in the same direction with unanimity.
10:01This is a very serious problem.
10:03You see, we have invested billions of dollars
10:08on Zarb-e-Azb and Radd-ul-Fisat.
10:10We have earned the reputation of sleeper cells here.
10:13I used to come to your program
10:15and I remember the numbers very well.
10:17The suicide attacks that took place this year,
10:21there were 900, 800 or 700.
10:25Which means there were two per day.
10:27But when these operations were carried out,
10:30the sleeper cells were broken,
10:32we attacked it with a needle.
10:34So for 3-4 years, everything was over.
10:36Terrorism was not happening in Pakistan.
10:40But then we changed the policy.
10:42Then we said that these are our enemies.
10:44They have burnt our APS students.
10:47They have shot them.
10:49Their principal has thrown phosphorus on them and set them on fire.
10:52So we will not leave them.
10:54Then we said that they are a part of our social fabric.
10:57They are our brothers.
10:59We should bring them back and settle them.
11:01There is no continuity in the policies that you are talking about.
11:03I want to take this debate a little further
11:05because Amir Dogar has also been present with us.
11:07If I may say just one thing,
11:09I want to recognize what you have said.
11:13The tension in the province where this terrorism is taking place
11:18and in Wafaaq,
11:20the extent to which the tension has increased,
11:22because in the end the province,
11:24until Wafaaq is not written,
11:26Wafaaq cannot take over.
11:28The province has to be given in writing
11:30that you do rangers or army for us.
11:32And the Wafaaq institutions
11:34immediately reach out to the province for help.
11:37But the tension is so high
11:39that there is no way to talk about it.
11:42One is saying that I will take the air force
11:44and the other is saying that I will stop it.
11:46So this is also a sign of the right element
11:49that in such a political tension or polarization
11:52it is very difficult to talk rationally.
11:54And I think we can talk a little rationally
11:56with Malik Amir Dogar.
11:58Malik Sahib, the situation that I have seen,
12:00Tariq-e-Insaaf is trying to come to Islamabad.
12:03The government is trying to stop them.
12:05And they have closed the city themselves.
12:07The country has also closed itself.
12:09Now the country will continue like this.
12:11The government will close the city
12:13due to panic.
12:14And then whether you reach or not,
12:16the country will continue for a while.
12:18Will it continue like this now?
12:20Ali Meen Gaddapoor is coming tomorrow.
12:22Will he lead the protest in Islamabad?
12:25The protest that took place yesterday,
12:27the more it is protested, the less it is.
12:31And this was a protest of its nature
12:34that where the security situation is very bad,
12:39the security institutions in a convoy
12:41after waiting for 2-3-4 hours
12:43send their citizens, children, women,
12:46and people to a convoy
12:49so that they reach a safe place.
12:52But yesterday there was an attack on this convoy
12:55which is extremely disturbing.
12:57It should have been today
12:59that a national security meeting would have been called today.
13:02Today the Minister of Interior would have gone to Peshawar and sat down.
13:05Today the government of loyalty
13:07and the province would have sat down.
13:09But on the one hand, the government,
13:12the loyalty government and its provincial government
13:15are focused on how to stop the provincial government
13:19and the workers of Tariq-e-Nisaaf
13:21and stop them from coming to Islamabad.
13:24Instead of defending the lives of their citizens,
13:2940 people have died,
13:3240 are injured.
13:34And wherever there is something to be done,
13:37the Minister of Interior and the government machinery
13:40reaches there quickly.
13:42Yesterday you saw another unique example
13:45that in the morning a petition is filed
13:48in Islamabad High Court.
13:50One by one, the Secretary of Interior reaches there,
13:55the Advocate General reaches there,
13:57the Minister of Interior reaches there
14:00and one by one, a decision is made
14:03where one can make a decision of their own
14:06in their own court
14:08and achieve their political objectives.
14:10And that decision says that you cannot protest.
14:12But Dr. Sir, my question is very specific.
14:14Your point has been reached.
14:16Your point has been reached.
14:18Is Mr. Gandapur,
14:20yesterday Mr. Gandapur,
14:22the Minister of Interior, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
14:24in whose province 45 people have been martyred,
14:27is Islamabad leading the protest
14:31and is coming to Islamabad?
14:33Look, they are coming,
14:35but unfortunately,
14:37the work in which the Minister is involved,
14:41surely he had a very big meeting
14:43regarding the land order today.
14:45He sent his delegation at night.
14:48But his primary focus should have been
14:51on the fact that those 40 precious people
14:54who have been martyred,
14:56they would have reached Kuram or Parachinar.
14:59But when the work and polarization
15:01of the political system increases so much
15:04that a government,
15:06a loyal government
15:08and its provincial governments
15:10get into a settlement
15:12and a political party
15:14is crushed for the past two and a half years
15:16and a provincial government
15:18also gets involved in it.
15:20Because politically,
15:22it is the government of PTI.
15:24But Dr. Sir,
15:26what you have said,
15:28what this government is doing is wrong.
15:30It is not allowing the protest.
15:32It is doing wrong.
15:34But how are they stopping Gandapur Sir
15:36from going to Parachinar?
15:38It is his province.
15:40If he wants to go, he can go.
15:42No, listen to me.
15:44The tension and tension on the other side,
15:46Vafaq should take the initiative.
15:48Vafaq is a big brother.
15:50It is such a big incident.
15:52Vafaq has not seen it.
15:54The statement of Mohsin Naqvi
15:56If such an incident
15:58had happened in any other province
16:00other than the government of KPK and PTI,
16:02would it have happened?
16:04It wouldn't have happened.
16:06Vafaq has used it from all sides.
16:10The country is ours.
16:12The citizens are ours.
16:14Whoever they are,
16:16we have to think about it.
16:18All institutions have to think about it.
16:20Every day, 15-20 people,
16:22youth,
16:24army officers,
16:26are being martyred.
16:28There is terrorism in two provinces.
16:30The government,
16:32especially the Punjab government,
16:34is trying to break the chains of PTI.
16:36I am currently traveling
16:38on the motorway.
16:40There is a panic.
16:42The entire motorway of Pakistan
16:44is being closed.
16:46There is a schedule that
16:48Pakistan will be closed after 8 o'clock.
16:50This is also a very interesting thing,
16:52that on the same weekend
16:54where there is
16:56a protest
16:58for justice,
17:00the motorway
17:02has been closed
17:04for maintenance.
17:06You know that there is a lot of traffic
17:08on weekends.
17:10Many people go to Islamabad, Lahore,
17:12Lahore-Islamabad.
17:14You have done the maintenance work
17:16in these three days.
17:18You are closing the city yourself.
17:20You are sending children home.
17:22You are closing schools.
17:24You are blocking Islamabad, Lahore,
17:26Pakistan.
17:28Let me ask the doctor.
17:30Let me ask the doctor.
17:32The government will answer.
17:34You have closed everything for maintenance.
17:36You have closed the motorway.
17:38You have closed schools.
17:40You have sent university students home.
17:42You have closed hostels.
17:46You are right.
17:48First of all,
17:50Amir Dogar
17:52has said something political.
17:56I wanted to say that
17:58the policy that was changed
18:00and brought back the terrorists
18:02was done by the PTI.
18:04It was done by the PTI government.
18:06But I thought
18:08that this is a delicate time
18:10and a difficult time.
18:12I know my friend Amir Dogar.
18:14So it would be inappropriate.
18:16The reality is
18:18that the policy of bringing back
18:20the terrorists,
18:22of making them sleeper cells,
18:24of their attacks,
18:26was the policy of the previous government.
18:28Because of which billions of dollars
18:30were wasted.
18:32And I am telling you again
18:34that every resource of Wafaaq
18:36is available for the province.
18:38Every resource is available.
18:40We would not have declared an emergency.
18:42Otherwise, you would have been
18:44programming on a daily basis.
18:46You would have called the Prime Minister
18:48and held a meeting.
18:50I will answer all your questions.
18:52Please give me a second.
18:54Sorry, I could not hear you.
18:56He could have called the Prime Minister
18:58and held a national security meeting.
19:00Then we would have realized that
19:02the provinces of Wafaaq are standing together
19:04on an issue.
19:06Who will take advantage of this?
19:08Only those forces will take advantage.
19:10You are right.
19:12There is another answer to this
19:14which you have asked.
19:16When you say that
19:18the Prime Minister of a province
19:20should tell the other province
19:22and Wafaaq that we are coming
19:24to capture them or attack them.
19:26When he says that
19:28we will break the jail and
19:30take the prisoner with us.
19:32When he says that no one's father
19:34can stop us. We will come to Islamabad
19:36and capture them and stay there.
19:38And not only should he say this,
19:40he should also have a track record
19:42in the past.
19:44He should have seen that
19:46after capturing PTV,
19:48he is making signs of victory.
19:50As if he is a foreign power
19:52who has captured the information
19:54of the biggest national institution
19:56of his country.
19:58He should have seen that
20:00the Parliament was captured
20:02by breaking the walls.
20:04The Secretariat was surrounded
20:06and closed.
20:08He should have seen that
20:10on 9th May,
20:12there was a party
20:14who had a track record
20:16of picking up the corpses
20:18of the martyrs, cutting their necks
20:20and throwing them away.
20:22He should have a track record
20:24of attacking the armory
20:26where the army is located.
20:28He should have a track record
20:30of setting fire to the planes
20:32at Sargodha base and trying
20:34to go inside.
20:36He should have a track record
20:38of calling the police
20:40and shutting down the city.
20:42Absolutely.
20:44I am coming to that.
20:46What you are saying is right.
20:48Because when this happens,
20:50when the track record is this
20:52and one says that
20:54he has started claiming again
20:56and no one's father can stop him,
20:58then it is the duty of loyalty
21:00to protect the lives of the people
21:02where they want to come.
21:04We have to install trailers,
21:06tractors and containers
21:08to stop this.
21:10Because they are saying
21:12that they will come.
21:14I don't need to tell you
21:16what they do after coming.
21:18You can stop me anywhere.
21:20The state has a reactive policy
21:22that they will give a call
21:24and shut down the city.
21:26I want to ask you a question.
21:28Maria Sahiba,
21:30the second option is
21:32to let your children burn.
21:34Let your children burn.
21:36Let the government and private
21:38assets burn.
21:40If all this happens
21:42and the jails are really
21:44talked about,
21:46what will the government
21:48say?
21:50Wait a minute.
21:52This is your final
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29:00In my opinion, the biggest value that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is giving to the people
29:04is the coordination between Wafaaq and the Subahi government
29:06or the cooperation between them,
29:08especially in terms of security.
29:10So that is a major factor there.
29:12On the other hand, if we see
29:14all the militant groups,
29:16only the TTP,
29:18there are about 60 groups
29:20that have been included.
29:22They are from Punjab, Sindh, Baltistan,
29:24majority from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
29:26So you will see coordination within them.
29:28Apart from that,
29:30the rest of the groups
29:32are also giving support to each other.
29:34Joint attacks are also done by them.
29:36But our government
29:38is not able to see
29:40those things.
29:42So until this issue
29:44is not resolved,
29:46these matters will not end.
29:48Political differences are in their place.
29:50But when it comes to national security,
29:52I think everyone should be together.
29:54What should Wafaaq do about this?
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