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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin, the third James Whitefield, Yates Mena Kimes.
00:10All right, so first play we're going to look at, second and two, one of the Patriots first
00:14offensive plays.
00:18What's going on everyone?
00:19Taylor Kyle's here for CLNS Media coming at you with another episode of Pat's Daily, brought
00:23to you by our good friends at PrizePix and GameTime, and today I am hosting the show
00:29for this Wednesday mailbag, along with my good buddy, Alex Barth.
00:33Y'all asked a lot of fantastic questions ahead of this weekend's matchup against the Miami
00:37Dolphins, so we're going to be getting into that, talking a little bit at the top of the
00:40show about the Patriots injury report that dropped like minutes before we actually started
00:45the show.
00:46But before we get into all of that, Alex, first of all, how the heck are you doing,
00:49buddy?
00:50And what were your big takeaways from today?
00:51It was our first day of the week in Gillette Stadium.
00:53We heard from Gerard Mayo, Drake May, Hunter Henry.
00:56So anything stand out from what we heard at the pressers?
01:00Really just continue to be impressed with the way Drake's handling himself.
01:05You know, not the easiest game for him on Sunday, I would just say in terms like turn
01:11the ball over twice, you could argue neither one was primarily his fault.
01:14He is partially at fault for both, but just, I continue, he doesn't seem like a rookie
01:22up there.
01:23And I thought that was highlighted by Andrew Callahan asking Hunter Henry, does Drake May
01:29remind you at all of a young Justin Herbert, who Henry played with when he was a rookie?
01:33And that's a really easy question for Hunter.
01:37Like it's a good question by Andrew, but it's also really easy question for Hunter Henry
01:41to dismiss.
01:42We hear guys say this all the time.
01:43Well, I don't really like doing comparisons.
01:45Every player's their own guy.
01:46And I was kind of ready for that.
01:48And no, Henry answered it and, you know, said, you know, they're different in some ways,
01:52but yes, there are similarities there.
01:53It is fair to say that.
01:54And I don't think Hunter Henry is just going to say that, you know, again, it would have
01:58been very easy for him to just say, you know, Drake's great.
02:01Justin's great.
02:02They're different people.
02:03I think it's pretty telling that he answered that the way he did.
02:06And the players really aren't shying away from comparisons at all.
02:09Cause we had Devon Godshaw a few weeks ago saying he looks like a young Josh Allen, like
02:13all the draft cops that we were hearing, you know, we've heard the Patriots players kind
02:17of touch on those.
02:18And then, you know, one of the things that stood out for me was, um, I asked Drake a
02:21couple of questions about how he processes defenses, because obviously his growth has
02:26been outstanding.
02:27I knew he was a smart kid and I thought that a lot of this would come together, but the
02:31level of growth that he's shown, not just mentally, but physically, like with the underneath
02:36throws where he kind of thought that spray misses were going to be an issue for him throughout
02:40his rookie year.
02:41And it's like, Hey, you got to deal with it, but it'll give you so many other throws.
02:43It doesn't really matter.
02:44But we see, not only is he getting better at that, he's learning, all right, I'm just
02:48going to take what the defense gives me where he had his shortest average depth of target
02:51his quickest time to throw last week against the Rams and ended up with his second highest
02:56quarterback rating of the season and his highest PFF passing grade.
02:59And then like talking about how he actually reads defense, as you mentioned, really for
03:02him, it's kind of a natural thing where it really is more about spatial reasoning and
03:06knowing where guys are, what boards are going to be created.
03:09And even especially because of the pop interception, where it looked like he was just trying to
03:13attack space, whereas pop was trying to run, like he said, I was running my route and asking
03:19them, you know, is it kind of like what Kyle Rudolph mentioned with Brady, where there's
03:22running the route, the way it's drawn up.
03:24And then there's no like, you know, be a football player, turn around and look for the ball
03:28if you're in a void in space.
03:30And he said, yeah, that's pretty much how he sees it.
03:32And he tells Hunter Henry where it came back because Darian Lowe got called for a penalty
03:36for illegal formation.
03:37Really, it should have been on Michael Jordan, but that's either here or there.
03:40He said, yeah, Hunter did a great job settling into that space.
03:43And that's what it is.
03:44You got to be a football player.
03:45So just the Drake May love affair will continue.
03:49Week in and week out as he gets better every single week.
03:51But you've given him enough love.
03:52Let's dive into the injury report before we get into the many excellent questions we've
03:55gotten in the mailbag.
03:57So did not participate, Jaqueline Roy with the neck, Dietrich Wise with the foot.
04:02Those popped up all throughout last week.
04:04Dietrich and Jaqueline Roy did not play on Sunday, but Darian Lowe, though, is new for
04:08did not participate.
04:10He's dealing with a shoulder injury.
04:11Then with limited a lot of the names that you expect and who've kind of been on here
04:14recently.
04:15Kyle Dugger with his ankle, quality with the elbow, Mapu with the neck.
04:18He was also inactive, I think largely because of that neck injury, Austin Hooper dealing
04:23with the neck.
04:24We talked about this in the locker room.
04:25There's been a lot of guys this season.
04:26It feels like you've been dealing with neck injuries, Keon White with the knee and pretty
04:30Jennings with the knee, Cole Strange, who returned to practice today, Gerard Mayo touched
04:34on how he has center guard versatility.
04:37Also probably a guy that is a guy who's been working with David Andrews behind the scenes
04:41where we know obviously he's on IR, but Mayo wants these guys to still be around the team.
04:46So he's been very helpful in that regard.
04:49Strange limited in his return.
04:51Did it?
04:52Did it look to you like he wasn't wearing the same level of pads that other people were?
04:54It looked like he was a little bit lighter in practice.
04:58Yeah, I saw some people say that.
05:02Let's let's remember some of the offensive linemen they've brought in since the last
05:04time we saw him, right?
05:07Guys like Caleb Jones, guys like DeMontre Jacobs, you know, he's not exact.
05:12Well, I guess he was next to Trent Brown in the past, but he didn't look any bigger.
05:17I don't know that he looked any smaller.
05:18I think he just looked the same.
05:20That's right.
05:21I literally just thought he might have been in like shells or something because literally
05:23like physically looked like he wasn't carrying on as much, but whatever.
05:26He was limited.
05:27Gerard Mayo mentioned that there isn't really a timeline for his return yet because he hasn't
05:31been on the field since late last season.
05:33And we're going to have a lot of cool strange questions.
05:35So more on him later.
05:36Full participation, Christian Ellis with an abdomen, Sione Takitaki with a knee.
05:41Both of those guys played last weekend against the Rams.
05:44Christian Ellis, more of an early down and dime roll.
05:46Sione Takitaki played more on like run type of downs.
05:50So that's pretty much the story.
05:51Don't want to see Badarian Lowe obviously on the report, but seeing two linebackers
05:54as full participants is huge and obviously getting close strange back period should be
05:58a great boost for the offense.
06:01Now without further ado.
06:02I'll just say this one more thing, um, cause I, and I'm sure we'll get questions about
06:07this, about the draft and tackle versus receiver and all of that.
06:11Um, but Darian Lowe going back to a DNP, he's been on and off the injury report really all
06:16year.
06:17Uh, you know, some people look at what he's done and say, Oh, Hey, like maybe the Patriots
06:23have found a tackle.
06:24Sure.
06:25He's not a blue chip player.
06:26He's not Joe Thomas one.
06:28Like he's been serviceable.
06:29He, I think some of the reason he's gotten as much pump as one, he's been better than
06:33expected.
06:34It doesn't necessarily mean he's been great.
06:36And also he's been, he's better than their other options, clearly better than their other
06:40options, which again is not a very high bar.
06:43Um, but he's been banged up quite a bit this year.
06:47And when you look at that, that, uh, position, you know, you talk about size and we just
06:52talked about all these big offensive linemen they've brought in.
06:55I mean, six, five, three 15, that's not a small human being by any means, but you know,
07:00as far as tackles go, he's not that big mountainous kind of force that you see other linemen built
07:09like.
07:10So durability is going to come into question where if you want to roll with your dairy
07:14and low, and that's your plan next year.
07:16So you can draft Ted McMillan in the first round and you can hammer defense on day two
07:20and things like that.
07:21Um, you better a damn good backup because he struggles to stay on the field.
07:26And the reality is the damn good backup is probably for dairy and low.
07:31Like he's more a high level backup than anything else.
07:34So it's just the fact that he's still, I don't mean to pick on the guy.
07:37Look, it's football players get hurt, but it's a physical position.
07:41And if you have a guy that maybe not, not, you know, not able to, to maintain weekend
07:49and week out, that becomes a factor.
07:50So it looks like the Patriots added a Christian Barmore as a DNP.
07:54Okay.
07:55Yeah.
07:56He wasn't on the report, but he also wasn't at practice today.
07:57So we kind of assumed he probably wasn't a participant.
08:00Um, I just lost my complete train of thought, but yeah, with the dairy and low, the way
08:04I feel like this situation has to play out is you go in, I think the dairy and low has
08:08at least earned the right to fight for a job.
08:10I think that he has done that.
08:11He's given up two sacks and three hits this year.
08:14I think you would have probably thought those numbers would have at least been doubled entering
08:17the season.
08:18Obviously, like you said, he's been in and out of the lineup.
08:21That has something to do with it.
08:22Um, but even still, I feel like his play is, I think being banged up as part of it, but
08:26I feel like it's starting to level out, like as a run blocker, he really isn't a plus player
08:29for you.
08:30I think you saw against Jared verse was the first time.
08:33I feel like I really saw him play in and play out kind of just fighting for his life.
08:37I think the pressure numbers weren't terrible, but you can see that he was overmatched and
08:42was really just trying to make sure that verse wasn't just instantly beating him.
08:46And that's kind of what you expect very low.
08:48Like you said, I have him right now in my grades as a spot starter and there's nothing
08:52wrong with that.
08:53A spot starter is valuable in the NFL because of injuries.
08:55But I think in the off season, you probably don't want to sign a left tackle because I
08:59feel like that's a bit of a slap in the face.
09:00Like the guys worked so hard for you.
09:02He's still got a year on his contract.
09:04Like as much as I'd like Ronnie Stanley, I just don't think that's the best move organizationally,
09:08but I do think maybe the second round or if you don't like the value in the first round
09:12and maybe you get a lighter pick, then you go for offensive tackle.
09:15But yeah, I think that you definitely need a quality player.
09:19And I think the way that makes the most sense is spending some early capital on that kind
09:23of guy.
09:24But like you said, we're probably going to touch on that again in the mail bag.
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10:57All right, let's get into the mailbag.
11:01First question, Cole Strange.
11:03Given Strange was more used to a West Coast style offense and excelled at memory serves
11:08and outside zone in college, do you expect his impact to be greater, obviously, with
11:12Alex Van Pelt's West Coast offense?
11:14I will say in college, just before you get to it, he ran more of a versatile scheme.
11:18Like, he did a little bit of everything, so it wasn't just outside zone, but as we know,
11:22he was drafted under that Matt Patricia offense where the whole plan was to become this outside
11:27zone scheme.
11:28And obviously, that kind of blew up in their faces, but Alex, what do you think about his
11:31fit in this offense under Alex Van Pelt?
11:34Yeah, it's better.
11:35I mean, it's definitely better in what they were doing.
11:37Now, they haven't run as much outside zone as we maybe thought this season.
11:41Some of that is very well possible, because they can't, and with the personnel they have.
11:46So maybe getting Cole Strange back, maybe that's the impact.
11:49Maybe they go back to some of that outside zone.
11:53So you know, there's that, but it's going to come down to pass blocking with him.
11:56Last year, he was getting manhandled in pass pro pretty regularly before he got hurt, and
12:02we know he can move.
12:03We know he can do that, and there's definitely ways Patriots can take advantage of that.
12:09But you look at who they are with Drake May outside of the Chicago game, I mean, they're
12:14throwing 35, 40 times a game.
12:16So pass blocking is going to be the emphasis.
12:20It's great that he can pull on the outside zone and get into space and create holes,
12:24and there's room for that.
12:25But if you're only going to run the ball 20 times a game, and you're going to throw it
12:29and he can't pass block, that the ability to do that really doesn't mean as much.
12:33We'll get more to the pass throw stuff in the next question.
12:36It's another kind of strange adjacent one, but I'll say with the outside zone stuff,
12:41they've been decent.
12:42Like if you look at the numbers, I think it's like when you look at their EPA per play,
12:45they're about dead average in the league.
12:47And I think part of that is it doesn't fit their system very well, but I think they've
12:50coached it enough and repped it enough that they can survive doing it.
12:54But there's no question that inside zone and all the gap schemes are much better for the
12:58big guys that they have.
12:59Now, yes, I think especially as Cole Strange is at center, where like the center is the
13:03guy that the running back is typically reading and going off of in that outside zone scheme.
13:07Ben Brown has filled in very admirably, and you got to respect what he's done out there
13:11as somebody who has signed off a practice squad midweek, midseason, but also he's not
13:15the most athletic guy.
13:16He's more of a big kind of burly type.
13:19So you would like a guy like Cole Strange who can get those reach blocks, who also has
13:23power to his game.
13:24I know that his anchor isn't great, but he's still a strong dude for his size.
13:28So I absolutely think the outside zone scheme would fit him better.
13:31And with like the pin pull stuff, where they asked the centers to get out in the space
13:34where David Andrews didn't look, I know he liked it, but obviously as an older guy, it's
13:38not really where he thrives.
13:40And Cole Strange is like the ideal type of run blocking outside zone center.
13:44But you did mention pass protection very fairly.
13:47So do you feel that we will say screw continuity and play Strange on Sunday?
13:51One, it didn't sound like that's on the table.
13:53I know Mayo was saying that they're trying to go day to day.
13:56So with Barmore, he pretty much told us, yeah, he's going to practice this week.
14:00It doesn't sound like the possibility or that he was going to play doesn't sound like really
14:04that trajectory for Strange.
14:06But would you rather play him at center or at left guard if and when he, if or when he
14:11does return?
14:13So can I say it's too early to know?
14:16Yeah, I think it's fair.
14:17We're on that at this point.
14:18It's like you said, I don't think Strange is going to play this week.
14:21I think there's probably a week or two ramp up and then you have the bye week in there
14:24too.
14:25I think it's probably a week to get him ready if they want, um, for Barmore pretty much
14:29for him.
14:30Right.
14:31Uh, so the way I look at it, if you're Michael Jordan, if you're Ben Brown game on, one of
14:36those two guys is going to lose their job and it sucks, but that's life in the NFL.
14:40And if they were to make the decision right now, and by the way, like assuming that they're
14:47happy with where Strange is at center.
14:50And we actually saw him snap today, like very briefly.
14:54And it was just like two man, line combinations, but clearly he's made enough progress that
14:59they haven't doing that.
15:00If they're not comfortable with him at center, he's playing left guard, like period full
15:02stop.
15:03I'm not forcing the issue at center, but all things being equal, if they feel like he's
15:07ready, if David Andrews has done a good job, which David Andrews out of the sling, by the
15:10way, good for him.
15:11Um, to me, it comes down to not so much about what's better for a stranger.
15:15It's about, you know, who do you take out of the lineup?
15:17I think if I had to do it right now, all things even, I think Michael Jordan's the
15:20odd man out.
15:21Uh, Ben Brown had a couple of rough games there at the beginning of the month, but I
15:25thought he settled down in this last game.
15:29That could change.
15:30Maybe he comes out against Miami, gets blown up.
15:31Like, I don't know, but I think it's going to come down to those two guys and they're
15:35both playing for their jobs right now.
15:36A hundred percent.
15:37I think it's going to be whoever's playing worse whenever post rain to be able to be
15:41active.
15:42Because if you look at last week, you know, Michael Jordan has played better since he
15:45was dealing with the ankle injury for a couple of weeks.
15:47There's still holes in his game where he doesn't sustain blocks as a run blocker and pass protection.
15:52He's a bit spotty line games.
15:54If you go from Ben Brown down to the Darien low, they've been kind of getting hurt by
15:57those pretty consistently.
15:58I know Ben Brown slash Michael Jordan gave up a sack last week where Braden Fisk was
16:03able to come around on a, uh, I think it was a TT stunt where he was, uh, you know, combining
16:08with another defensive tackle for the Rams.
16:11So yeah, I, it's hard to say right now because obviously both Michael Jordan and Brett Ben
16:15Brown are replacement level players, but if Ben Brown continues to be solid, I'd like
16:20better play it guard than necessarily I would at center because it's a higher value position.
16:24But at the same time, I mean, Cole strange gives you the ability to win one-on-one as
16:28a pass blocker more consistently than Brown does.
16:30So there's advantages to both, but I think it's going to come down to, Hey, who had the
16:34best week last week?
16:35Oh, Ben Brown, you gave up a sack or, Oh, Michael Jordan, he literally two tackles for
16:39loss that you cause, sorry, buddy, you're getting pulled out of the lineup.
16:43And as much as I do like continuity, it also comes down to execution where if you're not
16:46getting the job done, I'm sorry, you're on the hot seat.
16:49Pretty simple, straightforward there given the paths are most likely hopefully signing
16:54or drafting a wide receiver one in the off season.
16:57Who's on the outs.
16:58It's a pretty good young wide receiver core.
17:00So I assume they move on from born.
17:02What do you think?
17:04So just to use a name DK Metcalfe, right Metcalfe pop booty born Polk.
17:12I think that's your five.
17:14If they bring in two, then maybe Kendrick born borders on the outslick.
17:18If he keeps playing like he did last week, which I think he will, because again, Kendrick
17:21boards, a good receiver.
17:22I don't know why.
17:23I'm literally the only person on the planet besides Kendrick born who can see this three
17:27coaching staffs have tried to bench him.
17:29All three had to go back to him.
17:30And when they did, he made place not to mention unbelievable leader, great locker room guy,
17:35all of that.
17:36Uh, I'm not rushing Kendrick born out of the building.
17:38I know people are going to be annoyed.
17:40I didn't say Jayvon Baker.
17:43I don't think they're super happy with his development and you know, maybe he goes to
17:47the practice squad or maybe they keep six.
17:50Look, they kept seven this year.
17:52We know they're not against it.
17:53Um, but yeah, I, I, I wouldn't rush born out of the building.
17:57I wouldn't, and you know, that's assuming everybody gets the end of camp healthy and
18:01all of that.
18:02But it's, it's, so again, you're, you're, you're booty staying.
18:07Douglas is staying.
18:08You figure they're going to bring in at least one that's three born as your fourth receiver
18:13there.
18:14That makes all the sense in the world.
18:15I'm not forgetting somebody Taylor, right?
18:16And then you have Polk and Baker and you have to figure out what to do with them.
18:19Maybe that's the five.
18:21Maybe that's I booty born Douglas.
18:25New guy.
18:26Yeah.
18:27Polk.
18:28Uh, and then Baker would be the right and then Baker cause Osborne's not going to be
18:31here.
18:32Um, Taekwondo Taekwondo's gone, right?
18:36Maybe that to me is the group I, they should not move on from Kendrick Bourne.
18:42He's still under contract.
18:43I don't think there's a ton of guaranteed money.
18:45Maybe that after he structure it, I would not move on from Kendrick Bourne until you
18:48absolutely have to.
18:50I do think it's a very team friendly deal where they could get out of the deal if they
18:54needed to, especially next season.
18:56But I'm with you.
18:57Now I was hesitant about KB.
18:58I've been seeing his praises for years.
19:00I think he's very underrated and underappreciated, but also the rust I was seeing, especially
19:04in that Titans game, I was like, Ooh, like, is this just rust?
19:07Is this kind of where we're at now with him?
19:10But we did see him take a huge step forward last week.
19:12So, and at the end of the day, this offense needs consistency.
19:16There's so much inexperience and this may sound like another cop out, but I really think
19:20it's going to come down to camp.
19:21If Jayvon Baker, something clicks like it did with Keishon Booty, I think that he has
19:26to be part of the lineup because he's one of your best deep ball receivers.
19:28I think regardless of if you bring in a veteran or not, I think he's truly a very advanced
19:33deep ball technician.
19:35And then with Polk, like, all right, if he pops off, then maybe he and Demario Douglas
19:39kind of rotate or something like that.
19:40I think they want to keep the young receivers Booty, Bourne, Booty, Pop, Polk, Baker.
19:49They all have the same, it's a B or P. It's so annoying to try to like get through in
19:53your head.
19:54But yeah, I really think it's going to come down to at the end of the day, who performs
19:57better in camp?
19:58Because I think if Jayvon Baker, especially as a fourth round pick, like you said, come
20:02on, bring me back.
20:03If he doesn't play well for you, and I'm just a blur right now, if he doesn't play well,
20:07then yeah, you're going to have to make a tough decision.
20:09But we also saw they carried seven receivers this season.
20:11So I don't think bringing in the veteran necessarily means they move on from one of these guys.
20:15But Polk and, my God, I keep wanting to say Booty, Polk and Baker, both obviously at some
20:24point between now and the end of next summer, need to show that they actually deserve reps.
20:29And not just, there are young guys, we need to get them out there for experience, because
20:32we've seen that does kind of hurt the team or sometimes Baker's running around when he's
20:36supposed to be run blocking, or Jalen Polk is committing penalties and kind of helping
20:40shoot the offense in the foot.
20:41So those guys got to prove themselves, but I'm also not against them keeping seven receivers
20:44again, if they feel like it's the best thing for the team.
20:47All right, one more before we get to another little quick ad break, is Caden Wallace coming
20:52back anytime soon?
20:53It'd be nice to know if right tackle will also be a priority next offseason and free
20:57agency.
20:58Now, we were, we did ask Jarod Mayo earlier today, if Caden Wallace's return was on the
21:04horizon.
21:05He said, nah, nothing yet.
21:06So it doesn't seem like it, unfortunately.
21:09Personally, I think that is the frustrating part, because you do need to know if you need
21:13a right tackle next year.
21:15I think the move Caden Wallace to let tackle at this point, you probably need tackles on
21:18both sides.
21:19So at this point, just keep him where he's comfortable.
21:21Keep Mike and Winnie where he's comfortable.
21:23But yeah, I mean, we just, I really don't think we know.
21:25And if we don't see anything from Caden Wallace, I think at the bare minimum, we see them sign
21:30some type of veteran right tackle, who's more of that like the Darien low level spot starter,
21:34who he can be that bridge for you and give Caden Wallace time where he doesn't need to
21:38rush out there.
21:39But I also don't think you want to necessarily sign a starter either, because at some point
21:42you do want Caden Wallace on the field.
21:45Yeah, look, I think he'll be back at some point just because Mayo hasn't ruled him out
21:48for the year when he's been asked about his impact.
21:50And it would be great to know, but you used to talk 100 pick on the guy like you're going
21:54into next year, assuming he's your starting right tackle.
21:56You should.
21:57And yeah, I'd have a decent backup.
21:58I'd have a good backup, but right tackle should not be a priority.
22:03This is what they've done in guard.
22:05That's led to this log jam mess where they keep just throwing picks at the problem where
22:09guys are hurt or getting benched.
22:10And instead of giving them time to develop, develop, they're just onto the next guy and
22:14they've created this log jam.
22:16It's not ideal, but yeah, I think you need to give, give Caden Wallace the benefit of
22:21the doubt going into next year and let him develop it.
22:24Right.
22:25Tackle.
22:26Put them there.
22:27Leave them there.
22:28There's going to, they're going to do that.
22:29I'm just mentally preparing all of us.
22:30They are cross training.
22:32I, I, it, it, I think I, I like, honestly, I've said this before on shows, but I don't
22:38know that I'm more optimistic about any member of the coaching staff more than Scott Peters.
22:44And that may sound weird to people, but as ugly as it's been, how many of these games
22:50have we come out of saying it wasn't great, but it's a lot better than we thought it was
22:54going to go.
22:55It's a lot better than we should have been.
22:56And the fact that they've been able to get even the play they have with a revolving door
23:01and guys off the street, most of these guys weren't even with the team in camp.
23:06Same with Scott Peters is going to be able to do when he has five true NFL caliber players
23:10together weekend and week out.
23:12Like if this is the floor and it's the floor, but if this is the floor for Scott Peters,
23:19you're it's going to go up from here.
23:21It's only going to get better from here.
23:22Yeah.
23:23I actually don't hate that.
23:24I feel pretty good about that.
23:26So I, I act, the one thing that bugs me is all the cross training, but you know what,
23:32for what this year is, they actually needed it.
23:34You won't need it.
23:35You shouldn't need it long-term.
23:36You better not need it long-term because you want to get five guys and stick with them.
23:39But I'm actually for, for, for all the complaining I've done about some of the personnel moves
23:45on the offensive line, I actually think Scott Peters with what he's been given has done
23:49a tremendous job.
23:50Now just let's, let's give them a little bit more to work with.
23:53Absolutely.
23:54Because I don't think people really, I think people understand more now that it's kind
23:58of settled in a little bit, but the lack of experience and just talent, obviously like
24:03you're talking everyone, but Mike and when, who is a replacement level starter at best,
24:08that's just not the kind of way that you can thrive in the NFL when, what do we hear from
24:11the every week?
24:12Scott Peters always is like, yeah, every week you're dealing with like some elite pass rusher,
24:16an elite defensive tackle to usually most teams have two guys that you really need to
24:20orient your game plan around.
24:22It just isn't easy.
24:23And then you talk about the inexperienced Demontre Jacobs.
24:25This is his first year as a starter.
24:26He didn't play last year as a rookie, but Darian low, obviously this is his first year
24:30as a full-time starter, his third season in the league, left guard, Michael Jordan.
24:35He's been in the league for a while, but he was bouncing around practice squads until
24:38this season, obviously Ben Brown and his situation.
24:40So yes, give him some veterans that he can work with guys where I think the strike system
24:45may come a little bit clearer to them because they're like, Oh, I'm just doing what I've
24:48been doing, but in a way that's more efficient versus the young guys where they're kind of
24:52took you from a fire hose.
24:53And I feel like you saw that with Leighton Robinson, where they clearly love him.
24:56They think he's super talented, but I just think that everything's kind of coming at
24:59him fast, even city.
25:00So I put in that category as well.
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28:28Here's one.
28:29We get this question a lot.
28:30And this is going to be a very quick answer because we don't have a whole lot of info
28:33we can give.
28:34But Alex, any update on former fan favorite Debro Peppers?
28:39So last I saw his next court date is this Friday.
28:41I'm sure we'll learn more there.
28:43I don't know what.
28:44I'm not super well versed in the legal system.
28:46He's the only one in my family that's not a lawyer, but yeah, I'm guessing we'll get
28:53some sort of update on Friday since he's that's when his next court date is.
28:58Yep.
28:59That's about it.
29:00I got nothing else to add.
29:01All right.
29:02Moving on.
29:03If you could take one blue chip player to make this team a playoff team, what position
29:06would you fill?
29:07And for the heck of it, who would that player be that they could realistically get?
29:12I mean, have I not said this enough?
29:13DK Metcalf.
29:15Give me DK Metcalf on the outside, catching jump balls from Drake May.
29:20No brainer.
29:21So why wide receiver over left tackle?
29:24Um, that's a good question.
29:26I have hammered left tackles, um, cause you said realistic like them getting a blue.
29:33If I were to just look players in the league, blue cap, blue, a blue chip caliber player
29:37left tackle.
29:38There is no realistic option for the Patriots at there might be in the draft.
29:42I guess if we could do the draft that's different, but I don't think that's what this
29:45exercise is.
29:46Um, go get, go get Drake made the 80, 20 winner that that's a lot more realistic.
29:52Can I say Jamar chase?
29:53Like he looks pissed off in Cincinnati.
29:55Like any, these guys always move.
29:59These guys always move.
30:01They're never happy.
30:03It not to, I guess this question's point, but this is why I didn't freak out when they
30:07didn't get Brandon.
30:08I, you, this is why I didn't freak out when I didn't get Calvin Redley would have been
30:12nice additions, but would have been ahead of schedule.
30:14They still had time.
30:15Now we're getting right into that sweet spot, which is this off season, right into that
30:19sweet spot to add that true coverage dictating Tuesday morning player.
30:24And you're seeing wide receivers all around the league, not loving where they're at.
30:29You know, I'm not saying the paper guys, Drake Mays guys, so you have Drake Mays guys liking
30:34it here.
30:36You got a whole ton of cap space.
30:38You can spend, um, you know, the, the selling points are starting to add up.
30:43I understand why you didn't come here this year.
30:45We're in a ton of selling points starting to add up a little bit.
30:49Yeah.
30:50So we're talking about guys that aren't happy.
30:51I would go with AJ Brown.
30:53I've kind of been like stirring the pot on this one a little bit ever since that game
30:56where he was getting kind of pissed off at Jalen hurts.
30:58But AJ Brown is literally the perfect X receiver for Drake may honestly the perfect X receiver
31:04period.
31:05Like it's him and Jamar chase, I feel like are pretty like well in that top tier.
31:10I think DK is like right under them, but I think their consistency and obviously just
31:14being freak athletes is unmatched.
31:16And also if we're talking about the argument of a receiver versus a left tackle, I've been
31:19going back and forth on this so much because watching like the lions and the Eagles be
31:23able to just say, Hey, we're going to put the game on our offensive line at the end.
31:27And we're just going to steamroll you for like five, six, seven, eight minutes or whatever.
31:32I'm so jealous of that.
31:34And I want that for the Patriots to be able to actually have the offensive line, be a
31:38true and obvious strength of the team.
31:41That said the offensive line, I think has needs multiple pieces.
31:44I think you need to basically completely replace the left side in terms of guys that you see
31:48being starters long-term.
31:49And then obviously you still don't know what you have at right tackle.
31:52And center is also a pretty huge question mark receiver.
31:56I think you got pop, obviously he's not, you know, the most talented slot in the world,
32:00but he's absolutely a guy that you can work with.
32:02I think at that Z spot, you can have a combination of booty and Jalen poke, whoever's the best
32:07X you're hoping Jayvon Baker becomes that guy.
32:09But if you can plug an AJ Brown, a Jamar chase, a DK Metcalf, a T Higgins into that X role,
32:16that may take so much pressure off of everybody else.
32:19We're now the guys who should be Zs can actually be Zs instead of trying to pretend to be X
32:23receivers when they don't really have the size or the raw athleticism.
32:27So if you could just plug one player into this offense and it makes a huge difference,
32:30I think you're going to get more.
32:31If it's a receiver who can dictate coverage, be that easy button for Drake may, then you
32:35would with a left tackle.
32:36Even though I think that would benefit you both in the run game and in the passing game.
32:40All right.
32:41What are the odds of running back is brought in or drafted in the off season since Stevenson's
32:45efficiency has continued to wither and you were beating this drum all early in the season.
32:51Do not run Ramond Ray Stevenson into the ground.
32:54You will regret it.
32:55We thought that Antonio Gibson and him were going to be a true one, two punch.
32:58Like we saw with Mondrian Zeke last year, Gibson's role has been so confusing.
33:03I don't like, I like a lot of the things Alex Van Pelt's been doing lately.
33:07His lack of use as an actual like truth or down back who uses a matchup weapon.
33:12We haven't seen it.
33:13It's been so bizarre to me.
33:14And then even as a runner, I think he's had his moments, but I'm starting to feel more
33:18and more that he shouldn't be the guy.
33:20I think I would love to see them if they have like that space in the middle rounds to go
33:25after a Ramond Drake type in the fourth.
33:27But I absolutely think somebody should be brought in because I don't really love the
33:30running back room right now.
33:31What do you think?
33:33Yeah, I don't think they trust Antonio Gibson and he's still on a contract.
33:37So we'll have to see what happens there, but maybe he becomes the third back to Michael
33:41hasty.
33:42I think you can move on from it's too good to be your Michael hasty games or whatever
33:47the hell that means.
33:48Are you sure you want to get rid of it?
33:50It's too good to be here to not draft a running back.
33:52Like plain and simple.
33:53Like you got to take it.
33:54And now every time we say this, we said this with like the wide receivers four years ago
33:58and they gave us Trey Nixon in the seventh round.
34:02We did this with linebackers a few years ago.
34:04They did like unreal linebacker class, didn't draft the linebacker.
34:07We did it with receivers a few years ago.
34:09They didn't draft a receiver.
34:10Now obviously different people calling the shots, but man, when I look at this, when
34:15I look at this board now, look, they're not going to get Ashton Gente who is pound for
34:19pound the best player in a draft.
34:21You have guys like Amari and Hampton.
34:23You have guys like Ollie Gordon.
34:24You have guys.
34:25So let me go through a couple of these Amari and Hampton.
34:30Was the draw one true three down versatile back.
34:34Not a third down back, a three down back.
34:36You said pair them with somebody like Mondre.
34:39Not as physical as Mondre is a little bit quicker, but kind of that same thing where
34:44he can run between the tackles.
34:45He can run outside.
34:46He can catch the ball.
34:48Wouldn't put him in pass pro as much as for Mondre, but that same idea that well-rounded
34:51back and obviously he has the chemistry with Drake May.
34:54Ollie Gordon, everybody thought was going to be the RB one in this draft, even more
34:58than Gente.
35:00Unbelievable year.
35:01Last year.
35:02Problem was everybody figured out that Ollie Gordon was Oklahoma state's entire offense.
35:07And unlike Ashton Gente, Ollie Gordon can't make it work against nine man boxes, which
35:13Ashton Gente does because he's on him, right?
35:16Exactly.
35:17So his stock is tanked, still a tremendous player.
35:20And if he's going to be in a spellback role with a quarterback like Drake May, there might
35:27be tremendous value there.
35:28You get him late on day three, Travion Henderson.
35:31I have liked him for years.
35:33He keeps going back to school.
35:35He is in.
35:36So he, he, I think he's the top five running back in college football, but probably the
35:42second best back.
35:43I got him Quinn, Sean Judkins transferred to Ohio state from Ole Miss and they're sharing
35:48the backfield.
35:49Judkins is better, but Travion Henderson is still really freaking good.
35:53He hasn't gotten a ton of run this year though, because he's buried behind Judkins.
35:56Another guy that like most years, Ollie Gordon, Amari Hampton, Travion Henderson, top 50 picks.
36:03Some of these guys might fall to day three.
36:05So they're like, you have the opportunity to take advantage and we give you one more
36:11name, Taylor, because in the, yeah, really, we haven't done these shows this year.
36:18Maybe we should get back to that.
36:20Was it the 2022 draft around, uh, like late March after the combine is visits for wrapping
36:27up and I'm really digging into some of the seventh round guys, six, seventh round guys.
36:32I found this running back.
36:33Nobody thought they're going to take a running back.
36:35They just drafted Ramond Ray Stevenson, all of that.
36:37But I'm like, Holy crap.
36:39There's this kid who is a perfect balance with Ramond Ray Stevenson and he went to Rutgers.
36:45What a bill guy.
36:46That was Isaiah Pacheco who they obviously didn't tell.
36:49I wanted him here so bad.
36:51I took Pierre strong and Kevin Harris instead.
36:55Well, Rutgers has another back this year, a guy named Kyle, a non guy.
37:01I think I'm getting that right.
37:02I've heard of pronounced a couple of different ways, but Kyle Mononga, similar kind of player.
37:08My comp for, um, my comp for Isaiah Pacheco at the time was like a physical Dion Lewis.
37:17Ooh, like a more physical Dion Lewis.
37:20Now obviously that's high praise for a guy that wasn't supposed to go high.
37:23That was the ceiling comp.
37:25The non guy is not quite as quick.
37:29He's not quite as quick, but he's quicker.
37:31He's five, nine to 10.
37:33He's quicker, much quicker than he looks for his size.
37:36And he loves contact and he does not lose contact.
37:41To me, Kyle Mononga guy, late third, early fourth round pick who the league would usually
37:46sleep on.
37:47He'd go in the fifth.
37:49He's going to go like outside of the top 200 this year because there are so many good running
37:53backs in this draft, unless the league smartens up.
37:56We'll see.
37:57I generally, they don't.
37:58I mean, you also have guys like Jade, not, you also have guys like Donovan Edwards, who
38:02I know is at a down year, but has some talent, Nick Singleton.
38:05I mean, this class is loaded.
38:07This class is freaking loaded and they can't keep running Ramondry Stevenson into the ground.
38:11They absolutely should draft one of these backs this year because there is year one
38:16contributors up and down the board.
38:18You can't tell him very excited about this running back.
38:20This is that that receiver class.
38:25Was it two years ago, three years ago?
38:27Not the JSN class, right?
38:29The one before that.
38:30Yeah.
38:31Was it 22?
38:32I think so.
38:33Yes, it was.
38:34Yeah.
38:35So the Garrett Wilson, Drake London, Jameson Williams, Chris Alave, I mean, we were talking
38:40about guys like, um, you know, there, there were some guys way down the board that, that
38:46we were talking about.
38:47It's hard to find all the first round picks.
38:49This is that draft for running backs.
38:52Well, that is exciting because I'm so sick and tired of, if Ramondry is dealing with
38:58an injury and clearly is an a hundred percent, or if he has to miss a game, you're just like,
39:02all right.
39:03I mean, we have a lot of running backs, but as soon as Ramondry is out of the picture,
39:06you're like, this is not a good running back room.
39:08It's complimentary with him, but without him at his best, it just is not very intimidating.
39:13Especially when you don't have an offensive line that can create for you and move people
39:16off the ball and create some pretty big run lanes.
39:19And yeah, I just think, especially, I'm kind of looking at this team.
39:22I would love to see them build like the lions, because I think that's a fantastic blueprint.
39:26Another team that kind of had to come up from the mud and really just do the thing where
39:29you draft, you develop, and you wait for your guys to really get good.
39:33But that Thunder and Lightning duo doesn't necessarily have to be Thunder and Lightning
39:35the way they have it, but having two legitimate RB1s who you really never going to break as
39:40a defense.
39:41I think that would be huge.
39:43And with Drake May, we've seen the way the defenses play the Patriots completely flip,
39:47where for years with Mack Jones and Bailey Zappi, and even with Jacoby Percet, teams
39:50are like, we are going to load the box.
39:52Please pass.
39:53I would love to see you try to pass on us.
39:55Now we're seeing two high shells every week because no one wants to see Drake May throw
40:00the ball.
40:01Any running back that comes into this system, assuming they can fix the offensive line,
40:05is going to be able to eat.
40:06And if you can just lean on that and be like, hey, Drake, just hand off all game because
40:10our O-line's dominating and our running backs are fresh, I think that's how you really get
40:14the best out of Drake and the rest of this offense.
40:16I'll give you, if you want the Thunder and Lightning, like true Thunder and Lightning,
40:21Dylan Sampson from Tennessee, another one of these guys that's probably late first,
40:25early fourth, good quickness.
40:29He's not going to run anybody over.
40:32He's not a major factor in the pass game.
40:35And there's also, when these guys come from Tennessee, it's a pretty big adjustment just
40:39because of the offense.
40:40They run there with the wide splits.
40:42You're not running into traffic pretty much ever.
40:45But if you want the Thunder and Lightning kind of thing, Dylan Sampson, there's so many
40:48options.
40:49There's going to be so many.
40:50I'm going to be watching Drake May, but I'm also going to be very excited to actually
40:53get in the draft tape just now that they're actually good and it's not just we need hope.
40:57There's not a whole lot of time for us to dive into that kind of thing.
41:00We will get there eventually.
41:01All right.
41:02We got into this one yet?
41:03No.
41:04Will the Pats stop shunning design QB runs, which could improve their red zone offense?
41:08Now, Drogmayor was asked today if we could potentially see more of Drake May on the design
41:13runs because he's not scrambling as much because it seems like they just want to minimize the
41:17damage that he takes, which is understandable.
41:19But at the same time, like I know the third in one play, I was so frustrated when I'm
41:23like, you need a yard.
41:24You have a quarterback who's a running in passing threat and you basically completely
41:28take away the threat of him running the ball without even like, I love it at least once
41:32we see a naked keeper where it's like, yeah, just because he's under center doesn't mean
41:36he's not still someone you have to account for.
41:39And but he did acknowledge Drogmayor that eventually we will see some design runs.
41:43We've kind of seen, heard them hint, especially over the past few weeks that there being things
41:48in the playbook that they just haven't used, but that they expect to show up in certain
41:52plans.
41:53I hope that happens because again, I'm so sick and tired of these short yardage situations
41:57where you go under center.
41:58But at the same time, I do get the mentality of, hey, we want to be physical.
42:02We've got Mike in one who we've got remind Ray Stevenson.
42:04We think we're going to get it more than we believe that you can stop it.
42:07But what's your take on this whole thing?
42:08Because I know some people are just furious that we're not seeing Drake make it like five
42:12design runs a game.
42:13Yeah, there should be more of them.
42:15There should be more.
42:16And especially in the red zone, like the like the question says to help them out.
42:20I'm all for, you know, with these quarterbacks, and this is something I've knocked the bills
42:24for for a long time, that they overdo it with the Josh Allen runs and he's banged up
42:28late year and ability to win in the playoffs.
42:31I'm all for erring on the side of not running him enough compared to running him too much.
42:35I'd rather not run them enough.
42:37They have plenty of room to run him before they even get to not enough.
42:41So I think you can mix in a few more, you know, that fourth and one situation they had
42:45this week or the couple of fourth and shorts and the red zone before they kick field goals.
42:51I wouldn't even if you met in the thing is, you don't need to run him a lot for him to
42:56be effective, even if you just run him once or twice.
42:59Well, now the defense has to respect that.
43:01And even if it doesn't happen every time, you still put it in their head.
43:04So I wouldn't do a ton, but the number the number shouldn't be high, but it also should
43:11be more than zero.
43:12I agree with that.
43:13I think there also were some inside zone reads last week.
43:17I did notice where sometimes like with our POs, it's important to say, OK, are you just
43:22not being called or are these options where you're just not taking the option that everybody
43:26wants to see where like this was much more of a problem with Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien,
43:30but it's like you're running all these RPOs with pass options, but you're never passing
43:34the ball.
43:35So no one respects that you're actually going to do it.
43:37I think we've seen the Patriots get much better when we see like a downfield RPO to pop.
43:41I think it's kind of the same thing where they're mixing some in.
43:43Again, I'd like it in more critical situations like short yardage and all that to create
43:47a numbers advantage.
43:48But at the same time, maybe they're just trying to do it incrementally.
43:51But we will see.
43:52But I agree.
43:53They do need to use at least a little bit more.
43:54All right.
43:55Kind of rapid fire for the last few.
43:57They're not super in depth.
43:59And I know you got a ton of stuff to do tonight.
44:01Should the Patriots bring in a new wide receivers coach or change up their philosophy for wide
44:05receivers?
44:06I mean, it's one in the same look.
44:08They've struggled to develop.
44:10They did obviously under Belichick and now this year, the development's not going well.
44:13They could.
44:14The bigger thing for me is this is why I don't want them drafting receiver high in the draft.
44:18As much as I like Tech McMillan, as much as you and Travis Hunter are shown ability as
44:22a wide receiver.
44:24I just I and I said this last year with Martin Harrison Jr.
44:27I don't people that old Marvin Harrison Jr. is is Patriots proof.
44:31I don't think the Patriots for Marvin Harrison Jr. proof that kind of thing.
44:35The best thing they can do is bring in somebody who's already developed and already knows
44:39how to win in this league and win at a high level and just plug them into play them.
44:42So again, whether that's Metcalf, whether that's Higgins, whether that's Chase, whoever
44:46it is to me, forget changing up the wide receiver coach and trying to develop guys.
44:51No, just go get a guy that can play.
44:54Just go get a guy that's already developed and find somebody else who's already done
44:59the work for you.
45:00I agree.
45:01And when we talk about the development of these receivers, I feel like everyone only
45:04focuses on Baker and Polk for obvious reasons.
45:07You wanted to see more from them and they're not producing.
45:09But it's like, yeah, but you also have booty and pop who are objectively much better than
45:13they were last season.
45:14But for as explosive and fun as he was, every single week you saw two or three times where
45:19he clearly was not running the right route and it didn't really fix itself throughout
45:22the season.
45:23Hey, Sean, booty obviously got benched and even when he started to play late because
45:26they had so many injuries, he still wasn't really making much of an impact.
45:31Whatever the coaching staff did this year, whatever the players did, like they have gotten
45:34better.
45:35So I think we're seeing maybe it's taken the young guys a while, but even like Kendrick
45:38Bourne, the fact that he struggled early, obviously missed so much time.
45:41It's understandable.
45:42And now he's getting better.
45:43So I think I agree with you, like with the offensive line, like with the offense in general,
45:48it's easy to blame it on the coaches, but look at the talent you're dealing with.
45:52Let's get some guys in where it's like, we're not doing this thing where we keep trying
45:54to develop young guys and we have no really good plan behind them.
45:58Get the veterans, give Drake May real true pros and let some of those young guys develop
46:03without the pressure of needing to step up before they're ready.
46:06And so look like, and people might look at that and say, well, you're going to be able
46:09to, you're going to have to develop wide receivers eventually.
46:12And that's not incorrect, but you know, to borrow from baseball, like, like what some
46:17teams do, like the Los Angeles Dodgers, right?
46:19The Los Angeles Dodgers have a long history of being able to develop pitching.
46:24Like they, they are tremendous for decades.
46:27They've been able to, you give them a, a, a half decent pit pitching prospect and they'll
46:31get an MLB caliber player out of them.
46:33What that allows them to do is then go expend more resources to get bats because they know,
46:40all right.
46:41And sometimes they go out and pay pitchers big money, but there'll be like, we can develop
46:45this guy.
46:46So the Patriots can do like, there are positions they have strengths in developing corner is
46:51the big one.
46:52This team.
46:53And I know it doesn't look like it right now this year, but like generally speaking, they
46:56can churn out corners.
46:57Mike Pellegrino is excellent at developing corners, uh, offensive line.
47:02Again, I like what I've seen from Scott Peters, another high profile position, other, uh, another,
47:07you know, impact position that, all right.
47:10If you feel like you can develop guys, it's not as much of a big deal.
47:14So should they get better at identifying and developing wide receiver talent in the draft?
47:19Yes.
47:20That's obviously a good thing.
47:21But in the meantime, I also think you need to have a level of recognition of, all right,
47:27this is a weak spot for us.
47:29We need to address it differently.
47:31And that like, like just spread the assets out in a way that, that plays to your strengths
47:35and weaknesses.
47:37I totally agree.
47:38And it was like with star with the offensive line, like, yes, for certain positions, you
47:41do need to draft the guy pretty high.
47:43We also knew you could get a couple undrafted free agents in.
47:45And as long as they worked hard, they were smart and they had enough athleticism.
47:49Scar was going to make them serviceable.
47:50So you didn't have to get a guy in like the fifth round or whatever.
47:53You could actually wait and use those resources elsewhere.
47:56And then speaking of the receivers, I feel like we just got to address it.
47:59When do you think Javon Baker will get more involved?
48:02I'm just every week.
48:03I'm not expecting anything because it seems like when he gets his opportunities, something
48:08goes wrong.
48:09You had Gerard Mayo openly criticizing him.
48:11Also curious how you felt about that.
48:12Cause I know some people do not like coaches ever, you know, commenting on guys publicly,
48:17especially young players, but also I feel like, well, Gerard actually played, you know?
48:21So I feel like he gets a little more leeway versus someone who's only ever coached.
48:25Maybe, you know, that's just my perspective and I don't think it's totally right.
48:28I'm open to other opinions.
48:30I mean, it just feels like Javon keeps making mistakes and has yet to truly earn the coaching
48:35staff's trust.
48:36So I don't think you can predict when he's going to get more involved because he has
48:39to actually show it.
48:40If he has a game where he has a big catch and he runs all the right routes and he blocks
48:44all the right guys, then I'll start to say, yeah, maybe we see more next week.
48:48But I just haven't seen nearly enough to make an actual prediction.
48:51Yeah.
48:52I don't think till next year.
48:54I don't mind him.
48:57Curtis, remember when Gerard May was going to be too much of a player's coach?
49:01Like as long as he went over it with Baker first, this is like the soft comment.
49:08I don't mind saying it as long as it's not the first time he's hearing it.
49:11If it's the first time Javon Baker's hearing that, that's a problem.
49:14But that second, I don't know what was wrong on the first kick return.
49:17That was weird.
49:18I mean, the second kick return was a mess.
49:19I think the first one he didn't declare fast enough because you could see they were looking
49:23back like, is he about to take this out?
49:25Because I forget who was lead blocking for him, but they seemed like they were a little
49:29bit confused.
49:30I think.
49:31Okay.
49:32That makes sense.
49:33But you know, the second one was a mess and yeah, he just, he seems far away right now.
49:38I think that's going to be something we revisit next year.
49:40I hope it's a Gayshawn Booty situation.
49:42Not the same because Booty was kind of iced out.
49:45It wasn't even like, oh, he couldn't figure it out.
49:47It was more like the coaches just didn't have any trust in him and didn't want to, I don't
49:50even say coaches.
49:51He has said Bill.
49:53Bill benched him obviously.
49:54But again, this is the guy's first year.
49:57I think that this is one of those situations kind of like city and laid in and Jalen where
50:01there's so much that they're kind of taking in.
50:03I think they just need a year under their belt to really reevaluate.
50:07Get some more time with Drake, get that chemistry even down, down even further so they can come
50:11into camp with confidence and maybe have a bit of an advantage and build on that.
50:14But yeah, this season, I don't want to say it's a wash, but I'm really not expecting
50:18much.
50:19All right.
50:20Wrap it up with this.
50:21What should CB to be after Sunday's loss to the Rams?
50:24Yeah.
50:25So I said this, if you're somebody who wants them to draft Will Johnson or Travis Hunter
50:28to play corner, like be loud this week, this is your week.
50:31That was the big takeaway from that game.
50:32I know there's been some debate about the strategy with Christian Gonzalez.
50:36Was it actually right?
50:37Was it wrong?
50:40The point being, they don't have really anybody with him.
50:42Jonathan Jones has lost a step.
50:44He probably should look to move to make the move to safety.
50:47Marco Wilson obviously got cut after the game.
50:49Marcus Jones, I thought held his own when he could, but at the end of the day, five
50:52eights, five eight.
50:53And he's a slot corner for a reason.
50:55He's a true slot corner.
50:56They probably got to stop playing him on the boundary.
50:58They need somebody else.
50:59We'll see what happens.
51:00They don't have any options.
51:01Right.
51:02So we'll see what happens.
51:03I was surprised they didn't activate Alex Austin for that game.
51:05And I think they probably regret not doing so.
51:07We'll see what Alex Austin gives them this week, but even then they're going to need
51:10another body on the boundary.
51:13It's a priority.
51:14I don't know.
51:15You know, I mentioned Will Johnson.
51:16I think that's a little bit rich or maybe this is somewhere you go get a veteran, but
51:21they need to add a legitimate outside cornerback option opposite Gonzalez this offseason.
51:26It's, I don't know that it's in that big three.
51:28To me, the big three needs are still wide receiver tackle pass rusher corner probably
51:35leads off that next group in terms of the biggest needs.
51:39I agree.
51:40I thought it was a need before Sunday and I'm not really using Sunday as the litmus
51:43test.
51:44Cause I just think that was literally the worst game that John Jones has played probably
51:46in years.
51:47I'm not going to hold that against him longterm unless it becomes a repeat thing.
51:50Cause I think that would be a little too knee jerky, especially against that scheme.
51:54Like that first explosive that he gave up to Puka, the type of motion they used with
51:59Puka coming through, I think it was the sea gap.
52:02It's just something you don't see very often, especially from that way.
52:06And for a guy of his experience to get duped the way he was live watching it, I was just
52:10like, this is so ugly.
52:11But then when I was looking at the tape again, I was like, that's tough.
52:14I get it.
52:16But even still don't know if John Jones is going to play at least corner next season.
52:20And then like you said, Marcus Jones should really just be your star ideally.
52:24And as much as I like Alex Austin, he hasn't shown enough at the NFL level.
52:27He was promising at the end of last season, but we haven't seen anything really significant
52:30from him since.
52:31So yeah, I agree.
52:33Corner actually has to be a priority, maybe just not one of the top priorities, but definitely
52:38in that mid range.
52:39All right, Alex, thank you so much, buddy.
52:41This was a blast.
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53:00Awesome.
53:01Thank you, buddy.
53:02And thank you all, as always, so much for watching.
53:03Now.
53:04Take care of yourselves.
53:05Take care of each other.
53:06We will see you next time.
53:07Keith, y'all.