El amigo cercano de Jorge asegura que Lanata muestra mejoría física y lucidez, y que se están considerando opciones de rehabilitación. Aunque las visitas no han sido completamente restablecidas, el amigo fue autorizado a verlo, destacando la importancia del apoyo familiar en este proceso. Además el periodista dijo:"Cuando salga va a ser él quien arregle todo", y agregó: "Es falso que tenga daño cerebral"
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00:00months ago that we started with the issue of the nata here in intruders and from what we know you
00:06were one of the close friends that you had the possibility of being with him that Friday before
00:11the internment of the ischemia from there your note of the nation as you saw it that day
00:17I saw it four times before it decomposed a little again and I had to carry out the
00:25operation of the intestine the first time I saw him he was lucid for a while and then he left
00:33half as he got lost in time he started talking to me as if we were putting together a magazine
00:39but initially he had been almost half an hour with enough lucidity the next day
00:46surprisingly I had a conversation with him for practically an hour and a half
00:51and I have known him for 42 years and we have also done everything together the first
01:01the first deputy thrown into democracy was a job that we did together with jorge
01:09the diplomatic basalt for the cause and taro is to say later when I left he stayed with the
01:16magazine I went to live in the north with the aborigines and he stayed directing the magazine
01:22he stayed with a cooperative and then there of course I had six years later we distanced ourselves
01:29and after a while we did things together again I mean I have a lot of information on how
01:39he thinks the cream as it is the cream as he speaks the cream as to be able to evaluate if when I was
01:46talking to him for an hour and a half he was lucid or not perfect when when I say he was lucid
01:55I am not that he does not understand a lot of circumstances that make that lucidity that out there is
02:02temporary does not mean that ten minutes later or half an hour later he will have the problems that
02:11are clinical problems that arise from several things on the one hand the fact that he is diabetic I
02:20had a painter friend I have a painter friend who is diabetic and suddenly he spends time and does not
02:26eat something he begins to say nonsense but that is not that the brain is damaged this is simply
02:33the consequence of another kind of problem that has to do with medication, another part
02:39also has a kidney problem that the kidney is not well despite the fact that it still works, it is a
02:44kidney that does not work fully, it is medicated with immunosuppressants and others, which is also
02:51that kidney, if it did not have diabetes, it could also make it have moments where it can
02:56deliver or move or get confused if you add to that that he was in a kind of induced coma and
03:06ultra sedated for a long time this where any person with that alone could sometimes lose
03:14notion of space of time a lot of things then what has to be differentiated according to
03:21what two great neurologists tell me but with whom I consulted the issue is that if he can keep a
03:29conversation where he is in time and space aware of course he responds lively of course there was
03:40a certain slowness in the conversation that was produced by the amount of things that he had
03:44put as a nasogastric probe and some things that made him speak more pausedly and with shorter
03:52phrases, but I mean that one thing is to have a brain damage that is irreversible and another
04:00thing is to have neuropathies that are due to the clinical state that he has at this moment, which is
04:07something that is not going now when I listened to him at the beginning when he started to work again
04:13after having been sedated, asleep or in an induced coma, I began to hear in some channels that
04:20spoke of brain damage, as if he had permanent damage, which is absolutely false,
04:26I don't know where they got it from, on the one hand, on the other hand, what I don't understand either, now I'm
04:31answering any questions, what I also don't understand is, let's say, I haven't had a single
04:41trial that someone has won me for telling a lie in 42, well, actually it's more, but 42 that I don't know
04:47anything about, but it's 44 years of journalism, I never lost a single trial, first I had very little, but
04:53also I never lost them, I never lied, so why the fuck am I going to lie now, that is, in any case, it
04:58can be a different interpretation, what I saw, I tell what I saw and maybe when someone
05:04enters, they see something else, it depends on the schedule, but it was true that your clarification was quite clear,
05:10the truth is that it was necessary, perhaps for many people, but I want to ask you on time
05:15because you spoke, you said in that note that they spoke of the situation of the girls, of their
05:21girls, how is everything outside, I don't remember well what the text was, but he was talking about how
05:27what would be happening, he tried, he tried, Jorge, let's say, he told me something that I didn't understand,
05:35that was the word, that was the text, so I told him, what do you mean,
05:45then he told me, I don't remember if he told me between them or something, or between women, something like that,
05:51and then I quickly said, look, and apart he wanted to ask me, to see what I knew,
05:57then I said, look Jorge, you are going to get well, when you get well, you are going to solve the
06:03problems that you have to fix, but I am not going to tell you anything, it is useless for me to tell you anything,
06:08and besides, I don't get into gossip, so forget it, don't count on me for that, when you get out,
06:12you're going to fix it, you're right, and that's where it ended, and we moved on from the subject,
06:19in fact, at that moment I told Jorge, apart, son of a bitch, we treat each other
06:28affectionately, he tells me aunt, I tell him aunt, we have a relationship, at one point he was sick,
06:36and we started working in the radio station, instead of going to the radio station, I went to the house,
06:41and when I went to the house, I took candy, or I took mazitas on purpose, like an aunt who takes
06:46another aunt mazita, then he started saying aunt, and there was aunt, in fact, when I arrived, he told me aunt,
06:51now in this relationship, of course, when I was half lucid, and when I was completely lucid,
06:59he told me aunt, and as a friend of Jorge Lanata, how did you see all this confrontation between the daughters,
07:05I swear that I will not comment on that at all, because you know them at 2, at 3, I know everyone,
07:13but I am not going to comment, because first I have nothing to comment on, I have nothing to comment on,
07:16and the same thing I told Jorge, I am going to tell you, I have total confidence that when Jorge leaves,
07:23he will fix things the way he thinks he has to fix them, and I do not think in any way to say
07:30anything, because it is useless for me to say anything, I know Andrea, I know Kiwi, I know Elba,
07:37and I have a relationship with all of them, I don't get along with anyone, so I'm not going to intervene.
07:43Sorry, Gabriel, after that visit that you detailed to us very well just now, of the two visits,
07:50and after what happened to his intestine, the operation, what we knew, did you visit him again?
07:57Not because, only now I think I can go, but only now I can.
08:04You can go see him, but the news that came to you ...
08:09They authorized him to go again, but the reality is that I had seen him after that day that he was with lucidity,
08:14I saw him twice more, where he was not well, but it is not that he was neither lucid nor non-lucid, he was half sedated,
08:20he was nervous, he wanted to get things out, which was when he started to get sick, and there he was.
08:26But the truth is that what I know, by different guides, is that he is much better physically,
08:34he is much better from the point of view of all the values he has to have,
08:41that is why they are already thinking of taking him to rehabilitation, I also know that he is also conversing, he is fine.
08:49He is lucid, Gabriel, well, it is not a minor fact.
08:52I repeat, I was not there to tell you if he is better or worse, but they tell me that he is better.
09:00He is better in the part of the conversation.
09:03You are giving a fact that we did not know, that the fact that the visits return, that is also a fact.
09:09Now the visits return, I come back, Nata's wife, her daughters are leaving, Margarita is leaving.
09:14No, I know, but I mean someone like in your case, like you are a friend and you can enter.
09:19No, no, but I was authorized, I don't know who else they authorized, I don't know if the visits return.
09:25Yesterday they told me that I can go, nothing more.
09:28Gabriel, did you feel used with all this that happened?
09:32Used?
09:33No, no, it catches my attention, because let's say, one thing is that you do not agree with me, or that you think differently,
09:41but to put that I lie, that I say no, and I even heard in one of the programs that I am not going to name who,
09:48nor does it deserve that I name those people or anything, but they came to say that I lied,
09:54because if he was fine, then the program would continue and I would continue to charge the money.
09:59Someone who knows me knows that if there is something that matters to me, it is the money that I earn as a journalist.
10:05If I had to live from that, I would starve.
10:08So look, if I'm going to lie about a friend of mine who I've known for so many years,
10:13and in such a serious situation, and say something that is not true, to keep my job.
10:18Someone who knows me knows that I don't give a damn about all that.
10:21It's so absurd.
10:23But also, I understand that the thief believes that everyone is of the same condition,
10:27and they are able to say anything, because surely they are able to think like that.
10:31Or they are able to think like that, because the one who said something like that was a woman,
10:36I don't know what her name is.
10:38No, her name is Elva Marcovecchio.
10:40No, no, Elva Marcovecchio, what she said is something else.
10:46What she said is that, since I love her so much,
10:49since I love Nata so much, I could have seen hope in him.
10:53So it was something that wasn't really like that, but out of love for Nata,
10:57that's what Elva said, she said it respectfully.
11:00Gabriel, a few minutes ago you said, when Jorge recovers,
11:06he will know how to fix this whole situation.
11:10Knowing him as much as you know Jorge,
11:13do you think that when he recovers, God willing, and faces all this mess
11:18that is out there with the people he loves the most,
11:21his daughters, his wife,
11:23can someone be left out of his circle?
11:26Or how is Jorge in front of a mess?
11:29How does he work?
11:31Listen to me, my friend.
11:33I clearly said that I was not going to intervene in this conversation.
11:36If you think you're going to come in through the side door
11:38and make me talk about something I don't want to talk about,
11:40you're not going to achieve it.
11:41But I ask you with a lot of respect,
11:43I'm telling you in the middle of a conflict,
11:46but in the middle of a conflict,
11:48how do we run to the girls, to the wife,
11:53how is he in front of a conflict?
11:55What does he do?
11:56Does he cut off his nose, as many people do?
11:59Does he put his parts to talk?
12:00Does he try to be a bridge?
12:01How do you see the situation?
12:04I know Jorge, but I don't know him as much as I know what he's going to do.
12:10And also, in these situations, when there are affections in between, there is love,
12:14the decisions are individual
12:16and each one can only evaluate them from the love that each person has in conflict.
12:20It is not the same, a decision where you take
12:23whether it is convenient for you or not,
12:25such a journalist, put him here or take him out,
12:29or change him for another,
12:31that the people with whom he is,
12:33you don't change them because they did a shit.
12:35Do many people underestimate Jorge?
12:39Because he is an intelligent person.
12:41No, I think they underestimate the public, not Jorge.
12:44Because the public realizes things much more than you believe.
12:49Or what you, or what many people believe.
12:52I don't know what you believe either.
12:54What happens is that ...
12:55But I mean ...
12:56Sorry Gabriel, maybe we get a lot of information,
13:00we got a lot of different information,
13:04that's why maybe our colleagues, as you say,
13:08I don't say that at all,
13:10I never thought you were lying,
13:12but it is contrary to the information that you are giving us,
13:17what came at the time,
13:19maybe that's why in Valentona they told us that you were lying,
13:23or that you lacked the truth, or that you were exaggerating.
13:25I don't know if they told you that they lied about that.
13:27It is easier to keep escaping forward than to recognize an error.
13:34For example, this girl, Daniela Torre,
13:39who played at the beginning, saying things that were not true.
13:43Well, surely now, instead of saying I was wrong,
13:48she keeps running forward.
13:51And I miss Daniela because Daniela ...
13:54But Gabriel, I'm going to that.
13:56It can't be that ...
13:57The information you had ...
13:59Well, I don't want to say the sources, but ...
14:01But it is clear.
14:02It seems to me that the information came from both Jorge's daughters,
14:05who communicated with Guido, and Guido said it, and also ...
14:08No, no, on the other hand, not only from the sources, from the pages.
14:11Yarina talks to Elba, who tells him,
14:13that's why I say it seems to me that it is very clear where things come from.
14:16But they are very different.
14:18Okay, but we're getting into where I don't want to get into.
14:21All I'm saying is that I saw one thing,
14:24and not always what one says is what the other understands,
14:27because the other sometimes understands what he wants to understand.
14:29So he takes a 10-minute speech,
14:33he takes three minutes that are useful for what he thinks,
14:36and with that he verifies what he wants to verify,
14:38he doesn't listen to the rest, and he invents what he wants.
14:41What one says, of what the other says,
14:44is not always a broken phone.
14:46No, I'm not talking about journalism.
14:48I'm talking about the medical part.
14:52The will to become news,
14:55and one more point of rating,
14:57many times the information is misplaced in ways...
15:02Well, I know what the information is.
15:05I've directed several media,
15:07I know how a title is manipulated,
15:10all those things.
15:11Precisely, Gabriel, the problem was...
15:13Sorry, Laura, talking a little bit about the situation,
15:15about what you were just talking about, about the media and so on.
15:17The situation of Jorge with the radio.
15:19You saw that there was a lot of talk about the supposed dismissal,
15:22that they were going to disconnect him and so on.
15:24What information do you have and what can you contribute to all this that was said?
15:28What I said on the radio.
15:30The radio says that Jorge has a contract that will be fulfilled until the end,
15:34which is until January of next year.
15:38And then I suppose they will evaluate how the situation is,
15:42and they will do what they have to do.
15:44I have no idea.
15:46Gabriel, a little thing,
15:48precisely the first controversy, I'm not asking you,
15:51but the first controversy between Bárbara, who came out to speak,
15:54and then to ask to be in the opinions and everything,
15:57had to do with an Italian statement,
15:59where they talked about the cognitive situation of Jorge.
16:02That's where it all came from.
16:04Forget it.
16:06Neuropathy is a...
16:08Neuropathy is a...
16:10They are things that are transitory.
16:12Of course, yes, I understand.
16:14The only thing I wanted to leave seated
16:16is that for that, too, if you talk to Pampito.
16:18Yes, that you didn't lie.
16:21Not only that I didn't lie,
16:23because I'm not important,
16:25what's important is Jorge,
16:27the situation.
16:29So what I wanted to make clear
16:31is that while I was with him,
16:33and I had that conversation that day,
16:35neither later nor before,
16:37that day was a conversation
16:39with a funny, funny comedian.
16:42That's good, that's good.
16:44Let's go through the whole story,
16:46because it was on purpose,
16:48so that it's noticeable.
16:50I tried to try different
16:52alternatives of conversation
16:54to see if...
16:56In fact, I'll tell you one.
16:58The girls had given him
17:00an art book,
17:02and I, from afar,
17:04open a sheet,
17:06choose a painting,
17:08I show it to him like this,
17:10I do like this,
17:12and the guy sees it from afar
17:14and says to me,
17:16because I had shown it to him.
17:18I was going to ask you
17:20because you're surrounded by paintings,
17:22that's why I know you,
17:24what do you do,
17:26I know your affinity.
17:28Yes, but sorry,
17:30because this goes in line,
17:32you know, Gabriel,
17:34with something that the girls
17:36told him,
17:38that they said that part
17:40of their improvements
17:42in other boarding schools
17:44is in line with what you're telling,
17:46which is also something that transcended.
17:50I think I have a lot of hope.
17:52Let's say here,
17:54Jorge has many
17:56physical problems, as we all know,
17:58I already listed some,
18:00even.
18:02It's a miracle, it's a real miracle.
18:04But he's better,
18:06this is true,
18:08he is undoubtedly better.
18:10His head is in conditions
18:12to function correctly
18:14if all the problems
18:16that he is having are removed,
18:18which are transitory,
18:20which can be handled.
18:22You think that if the guy
18:24was given opiates to solve
18:26the problem of the enormous pain
18:28he had for this operation
18:30that was done,
18:32that also takes it out of him.
18:34It seems to me that what you are telling
18:36that there is no brain damage,
18:38that is counter-important.
18:40No, I'm not saying that,
18:42but I also know that there were
18:44these things that are done with...
18:46Resonance therapy?
18:48No, no, apart from...
18:50Resonance, tomography?
18:52Of course, because at some point...
18:54I don't know what they did to him,
18:56but they tell me that there is no
18:58visible brain damage
19:00in that type of...
19:02What you are telling us
19:04attracts our attention,
19:06because maybe there is information
19:08No, no, there is information
19:10that obviously we don't tell everything,
19:12because there is very delicate information
19:14that is not checked, but well,
19:16as it is a megafigure,
19:18it is talked about a lot,
19:20and that had to do with the fact
19:22that he was not so good
19:24let's say,
19:26of the head, being gross.
19:28Neurologically.
19:30And that's why you're telling...
19:32It's good because it gives a lot of hope.
19:34No, no, there is no contradiction.
19:36Maybe this is the point of discussion,
19:38because it was not understood well,
19:40because I was not clear.
19:42One thing is to have a neuropathy,
19:44that is, neurological problems
19:46that make you work badly,
19:48lose consciousness,
19:50lose notion of time and space,
19:52that is a neuropathy.
19:54But that can be a product
19:56of medication,
19:58it can be a product of continuous
20:00stimulation,
20:02and it can be transient.
20:04On the other hand, a brain damage
20:06is a permanent thing.
20:08When it's over, it doesn't come back.
20:10Until he doesn't wake up
20:12and they don't take out
20:14all the medication he has,
20:16it's not going to be known
20:18if it continues or not in time.
20:20No, no, no,
20:22what they told me,
20:24two neurologists,
20:26I don't know if I'll allow it,
20:28one is one of the greatest
20:30in the United States,
20:32for a specific situation,
20:34and he knows it,
20:36and the other is one that you probably
20:38know too, he is a great neurologist,
20:40and they told me the same thing,
20:42if he can maintain a conversation
20:44clearly where he is in time
20:46and in space,
20:48where he is conscious,
20:50where he answers
20:52cheerfully,
20:54any type of conversation
20:56means that there is no brain damage.
20:58Now,
21:00what I'm going to say
21:02is that that doesn't mean
21:04that 10 minutes later he can delirious,
21:06then you can make decisions
21:08and not because you have to see
21:10if the decision is taken when it is lucid
21:12or when it is wrong.
21:14You saw it in both states,
21:16I mean, you saw it lucid
21:18and you also saw it delirious.
21:20Yes, yes, yes.
21:22When you saw it,
21:24with the degree of trust
21:26you have with him and friendship,
21:28I'm going to ask you something
21:30that I think he would even
21:32be grateful for, because he is a person
21:34who has no taboos on any subject.
21:36Did you ever talk about death
21:38with Nata?
21:40What does he think?
21:42No, I talked about my death,
21:44I told him,
21:46I told him at one point,
21:48I always thought,
21:50as I am 10 years older than you,
21:52that I was going to die before you,
21:54and always one of the things
21:56that I was going to think
21:58was the customary thing
22:00that you were going to do
22:02in the program when I die.
22:04And then what I ask you
22:06is that you are not an idiot,
22:08you could not die before me,
22:10wait your turn,
22:12because I need you to do
22:14that customary thing for me.
22:16That was the only time
22:18we talked about death,
22:20but I talked about mine.
22:22But he is a person who fears death,
22:24that he takes care of himself,
22:26that he kept smoking,
22:28although he could not.
22:30I don't think anyone wants death,
22:32and neither does he,
22:34but I'm not sure he fears death,
22:36because if he didn't,
22:38he wouldn't do all the things he did,
22:40he would behave in another way.
22:42Gabriel, who is your direct line
22:44when something urgent happens
22:46with Jorge?
22:48When you talk to Margarita,
22:50with Elba, with Kiwi,
22:52I don't talk to everyone,
22:54it depends for each thing
22:56who I talk to.
22:58I don't have a limit.
23:00Gabriel, yesterday I heard a word
23:02that hurt me a lot,
23:04and it arose from the things,
23:06I don't get into this if I don't tell it,
23:08from the things that Elba's lawyers
23:10are doing, and the word is insanity.
23:12Yesterday this was talked about again,
23:14for everything that is money control.
23:16I don't know anything about it.
23:18Well, but there is a judge,
23:20just so people know,
23:22there is a new judge,
23:24Lucila Cordoba,
23:26and they are taking measures,
23:28they already took out Alejandra
23:30from everything that has to do with
23:32the economic decision,
23:34but everything points to being able
23:36to manage everything.
23:38I don't know how all this will end,
23:40nor who will be given the reason.
23:42The only thing I can tell you is
23:44what I saw, what I talked about,
23:46what I know in my relationship,
23:48after everything else,
23:50you know that in Argentina
23:52these things are very complex,
23:54justice is crap,
23:56it doesn't work well,
23:58and it doesn't always work with justice,
24:00and sometimes it doesn't work with justice
24:02not because the judge is wrong,
24:04but because he does it on purpose,
24:06because he earns money or whatever.
24:08I can't tell you how it will end,
24:10because it would be knowing
24:12much more than I can know.
24:14I don't know what the situation is for me,
24:16but that's what I see,
24:18and that's what I tell you,
24:20more than that I can't tell you.
24:22It is logical that sometimes
24:24this is asked in a provisional way
24:26until the person gets ahead,
24:28because there are many things to handle.
24:30No, that's true.
24:32Also, if Jorge is fine,
24:34he is fine,
24:36and he is fine,
24:38and he is fine,
24:40and he is fine,
24:42and he is fine,
24:44then at some point
24:46he will be able to make the decisions he wants,
24:48or communicate with the person
24:50who is in charge,
24:52who does this,
24:54who does that,
24:56but in the meantime,
24:58it may be necessary to take care of the heritage,
25:00and other things.
25:02Thank you, Gabriel.
25:04The truth is that I love you.
25:06No problem.
25:08I would like it to be fixed,
25:10and that it comes out quickly,
25:12and that it is fixed safely.
25:14Surely. Gabriel, I want to thank you for this communication.
25:16The truth is that you are a great friend,
25:18and today you showed it.
25:20To finish, I would like you to leave him a message
25:22so that tomorrow when he sees it,
25:24he knows that he has a great friend waiting for him.
25:28Nothing, let him start preparing my wardrobe.
25:32So thank you, Gabriel.
25:34A pleasure to talk to you.
25:36Bye.