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00:00Hello viewers, you are watching Kashif Abbasi with Donald Trump.
00:03It is a strange atmosphere in Pakistan to be elected president.
00:08The place where I was going out today, people were saying that Donald Trump has become president.
00:13Will Imran Khan come out?
00:15This thought or this euphoria in Pakistan, social media, social media of justice,
00:22where is this optimism coming from?
00:24Where did this thought come from that if Imran Khan has come, then it means this.
00:29I am sorry, Donald Trump has come, so Imran Khan should come out.
00:32Yesterday, when Ali Muhammad Khan came, he said that I have a very good friendship with Trump.
00:38He used to call me often.
00:40And people said that if there is so much friendship, it means that something will happen.
00:43In different statements, and the Muslim law is getting jittery.
00:48It seems that this question is being asked again and again.
00:51What will happen now? They are saying that we have hope.
00:53This will not happen because of bilateral relations.
00:56So, the debate is revolving around this.
00:59How will Pakistani politics change after the arrival of Donald Trump?
01:02Although I have seen many statements, but yesterday Mr. Rana gave a statement.
01:07Because in our country, the policies of American appeasement are big.
01:11And these people repeatedly say that America should not say anything.
01:14We are on the ventilator.
01:15How can you say anything to Mr. Bahadur?
01:19But Mr. Rana, yesterday, as an advisor to the Prime Minister,
01:22what did he say about Donald Trump?
01:24American President Elect. Listen.
01:45I hope Mr. Rana had the clearance from his party leadership.
01:50But he has given a statement.
01:52Maybe he doesn't like American relations.
01:55But with me is Mr. Rauf Hassan.
01:57Why is justice so euphoric?
02:00So much happiness.
02:01The wedding bells are ringing.
02:03Believe me, wherever I went today, your voters.
02:06Sir, will Mr. Imran Khan come out now?
02:10How did you give optimism?
02:12Are you so optimistic about this?
02:15Thank you, Kashif.
02:16See, so much optimism, I think, may be a mistaste.
02:23But the condition of this country is that no good news is received here.
02:28So if there is a chance to get some good news, then it is about it.
02:34So this is also one of those many things.
02:36Obviously, the most important thing for us right now is that Mr. Khan comes out and meets.
02:43But I don't understand his policy.
02:46On one hand, Mr. Rana has said everything that you have said.
02:49And after that, all his ministers, including Ahsan Iqbal, he and Mr. Khawaja.
02:53They are busy deleting their tweets, which they have said about Trump in the past.
03:00So Trump has come.
03:03Trump is not the only stakeholder in that country.
03:06You know how policies are made, how policies of states are made.
03:09So there are other stakeholders in it.
03:11Tell me one thing, if tomorrow in some parallel realm,
03:17Donald Trump calls or on his behalf, some of his arrangements,
03:22can it be denied?
03:24Because today I saw a very interesting tweet of Mr. Khawaja.
03:27He said that Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif had also denied in 1999 when the atomic bomb was detonated.
03:33So suggesting that we can deny.
03:37I don't think these people are being jittery.
03:41Look, Kashif, a government that is rooted in the mandate of the people,
03:45is made according to the mandate of the people, has legitimacy,
03:49has relevance, then that government can take a stand.
03:53Such a government has nothing.
03:56These people are sitting on top of a stolen power like a beggar.
04:00They have to go.
04:02They can't say no to you.
04:05I won't say this either.
04:07Because madness is a state of mind, basically.
04:11So if they come to do it, they will do it.
04:13Call it madness.
04:14I thought you would say that this is Pakistan's sovereignty, our freedom.
04:20How can a foreign power come and tell us?
04:23Are you calling it madness?
04:24No, no, I didn't call it madness.
04:26I am talking about their attitude.
04:28If they deny, suppose Donald Trump picks up the phone and calls the Prime Minister of Pakistan
04:33and says, look, Mr. Trump, you are an American president, I am sure.
04:38But we have our own laws, we can't do it.
04:41Okay.
04:42More importantly, are we banking on Donald Trump as a party policy?
04:47No, we are not.
04:48And we don't want to.
04:49Do your lobbyists, forget lobbyists, the Pakistani diaspora, your ways of justice,
04:55because everyone knows that those who are outside Pakistan are largely ways of justice.
05:00And the rich businessmen of America who have funded the Trump campaign,
05:06have done it on the condition that if Donald Trump becomes president,
05:11then they will come out and play their part in bringing Imran Khan out.
05:15Is this right?
05:16Look, the actions of the diaspora, whatever they do, the responsibility of that cannot be taken by the party.
05:21But this is right.
05:22There is information about the diaspora that they have contacted, absolutely,
05:26and they have met, and understandably some assurances have also been given to them.
05:31This is absolutely your place.
05:33But the conduct of the diaspora…
05:34Who gave it?
05:35This assurance…
05:36This party position…
05:37Mr. Donald Trump…
05:38No, we are talking about the diaspora.
05:39Obviously, you have received so much information.
05:40No, this is not the position of the party, this is not the stance of the party.
05:43We do not seek interference in any foreign country in Pakistan, nor will we approve it.
05:49But who gave this assurance?
05:52Did Donald Trump give this assurance directly?
05:54Did his daughter give it, or his son-in-law gave it?
05:57Because these are all very key characters of the coming Trump administration.
06:02Who gave this assurance?
06:03I have not asked their names, but they have met.
06:05I know this.
06:06They have met.
06:07And on what condition was the money given to the campaign that you gave this book?
06:10I also do not know on what condition they gave the money or not, and on what condition they gave the money.
06:13I know this, but they have met, and I also know this,
06:16that I have been told that the people of the diaspora have had some understanding with them.
06:21So, first Trump will free Mr. Imran Khan,
06:24then Mr. Imran Khan will free Pakistan from the slavery of America.
06:28That's how it looks.
06:29You are saying this, I am not saying this, nor is the PTI saying this.
06:32This is not our position.
06:34We have repeatedly said, Mr. Khan,
06:36that I will take justice from the courts and be free.
06:39Otherwise, if we had to make such a deal,
06:41then instead of dealing with them or banking on them, we would have dealt with our own people.
06:46So, we would have come out in the first 10 days,
06:48and you would not have to spend 15 minutes in jail.
06:52So, their contention is very clear.
06:54They say, as long as you keep me here,
06:56and I will take justice from the courts,
06:58I will only take justice from the courts and come out.
07:00Will you take justice from the courts and come out?
07:02Yes, that's what they say.
07:03I hope…
07:04In the Pakistani courts, at 12 o'clock at night,
07:06when the decision of the case is heard,
07:08will justice be given?
07:09I hope that justice…
07:10Do you think that someone goes to Pakistan,
07:12he goes because the court feels that he should go in?
07:14Do you know that people feel that they should go in because of power?
07:16They go in.
07:17Whenever they feel that they should go out,
07:18don't you remember Nawaz Sharif?
07:20Nawaz Sharif went in.
07:22Then those platelets suddenly went down.
07:24And that ship came.
07:25Mr. Mian sat down and went out of Pakistan.
07:27Mr. Taq-e-Jadid, Mr. Khan's platelets didn't go down,
07:29nor did he have blood on his back.
07:31And he cut the jail.
07:32Absolutely.
07:33And even today, they say that I will take justice from the courts.
07:36Justice will have to be delivered to the courts at some point in time.
07:39This cannot work.
07:40Kashif, I can say with confidence that this cannot work.
07:43This system is reaching its logical conclusion.
07:47And the courts, I think that there…
07:50Now, they have established a constitutional amendment
07:53and a parallel judicial system.
07:56It is a must.
07:57They say that we have achieved all the goals,
08:00but according to me, these goals have not been achieved yet.
08:02I don't know what phase is yet to come.
08:04Something else is yet to come.
08:05So, this will continue.
08:07But at the same time, I think that the situation,
08:09at least in the context of the courts,
08:11in the context of the Supreme Court…
08:12I will come back to the context of the Supreme Court.
08:14I will come back to the context of the Supreme Court.
08:15I think that the situation will get better.
08:16Mr. Imran Khan said that the judiciary is over.
08:18Now, this is fine.
08:19The judiciary has faced a big dent in all this legislation.
08:23Now, the judges of the court…
08:25If I was a judge, I would be looking towards the government
08:28to make good decisions so that I get good appointments.
08:31I should be put on the constitutional bench
08:33or I should be made the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
08:35So, this is fine that a lot of things have come into the hands of the administration
08:38which should not have happened.
08:39Absolutely.
08:40Mr. Imran Khan said that there should be a protest.
08:42He said that there should be a protest.
08:43There should be a protest.
08:44There was a big threat that if someone does not protest,
08:46then I will not get a ticket for the next election.
08:48If there is an MLA or an MPA.
08:49What is the definition of a protest?
08:51I have never understood this.
08:52I thought that last time Islamabad was coming.
08:54There were a lot of protests.
08:55That Islamabad is coming.
08:56We will do this. We will do that.
08:57But nothing happened.
08:58Mr. Ali Meen left again.
09:00I think the party does not know what to do in a protest.
09:03We are approaching the protest in a more scientific way this time.
09:06We are doing public mobilization.
09:08And we are doing all this at the UC level and upwards.
09:11We are doing mobilization at the national level.
09:13That process has already started.
09:14Tomorrow, you have a program at Swabi Motorway.
09:19On 9th.
09:20Tomorrow is 9th.
09:21No.
09:229th. Day after tomorrow.
09:23Sorry.
09:24Day after tomorrow.
09:25We have it in Quetta tomorrow.
09:26We have it in Quetta today.
09:27We will pass resolutions on this.
09:28Yes.
09:29Will Mr. Imran Khan come out of the resolutions?
09:30We will pass the resolutions.
09:31To take this movement forward,
09:35we will highlight our specifics.
09:38We will outline them.
09:39Please explain this to me.
09:43The single objective of this movement is to get Mr. Khan released.
09:47We feel that he has been illegally and unconstitutionally imprisoned.
09:52The steps that we have to take for that,
09:54their announcement will be made at the end of this Jalsa.
09:59All the steps that we are going to take.
10:01So there is no possibility of a protest in this Jalsa?
10:03No.
10:04No.
10:05No.
10:06Only this Jalsa.
10:07Only this Jalsa.
10:08This Jalsa will be held and it will end at night.
10:09Yes, it will end at night.
10:10And it will be announced that now we have a Jalsa on 9th.
10:11So we have to go to this place on 12th.
10:12This will happen on 14th.
10:13And on 17th or 18th we will come to Islamabad.
10:15There will be such announcements.
10:17These are the announcements of this movement.
10:19There can be this, there can be more.
10:21What will it be?
10:22I cannot give you the signs of that right now.
10:24It will be known the day after tomorrow.
10:26You know that.
10:27You will know that.
10:28Who will lead?
10:29Ali Amin Ghandapur will lead.
10:32Only him?
10:33Yes, only him.
10:34He will lead.
10:35The rest from Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and obviously from KP.
10:39And from other areas, the areas of Pakistan, people will come from there.
10:44And they will participate in our functions at different places.
10:48So, if I understand correctly, you are saying that there is a movement.
10:54It is going to be announced.
10:56Ali Amin Ghandapur will lead that movement.
10:59And it will be announced on 9th.
11:01Yes.
11:02Absolutely right.
11:03The limits of that movement will be made known to you on 9th.
11:07And he will lead it.
11:08Yes.
11:09Absolutely right.
11:10Now, there are some statements about Mr. Imran Khan going abroad.
11:13What is the truth in this?
11:15Mr. Khai has also said this.
11:16In fact, Mr. Rana has also said this.
11:18Both the brothers, Trump and Imran are going to America.
11:22Is there any logic in this that Mr. Imran Khan can go abroad?
11:26We think only when we know that Mr. Khan will go abroad.
11:29He will not go.
11:30I agree with you.
11:31I know him.
11:32If he had to deal, he would have done it by now.
11:35So, this thinking is counterproductive.
11:38Even if it is counterproductive, I have no knowledge about it.
11:40Because it was never discussed in our meetings.
11:42Was it discussed in your meetings with the establishment?
11:44Where did it reach?
11:45Is it happening or not?
11:46No.
11:47No.
11:48It is happening.
11:49I have clarified this repeatedly.
11:51There is a unit in Pakistan called KP.
11:55Our party leads it.
11:56Mr. Ali Meen Gandapur is there.
11:58You know the situation there.
12:00I know it.
12:01Everyone knows it.
12:02There is a lot of role of security agencies.
12:04There is a lot of role of intelligence agencies in the provinces.
12:07So, under that protection, Mr. Ali Meen Gandapur has a regular contact with them.
12:11In this regard, he requested us to postpone the Jalsa on 22nd August.
12:15I heard this from Barrister Saif.
12:17He says that Ms. Bushra was released under a judicial system.
12:20As a result, she was not arrested again.
12:23I believe that this is the result of Gandapur's efforts.
12:27Mr. Gandapur said in our meeting that this statement was given by me.
12:32That I take credit for this.
12:36He said that this is absolutely wrong.
12:38I have not said anything wrong.
12:40Your party is giving the impression of religion.
12:43By pointing towards Mr. Ali Meen Gandapur,
12:45that these benefits have been achieved by going from Islamabad.
12:48So, the deal is being given an impression.
12:51Look, Kashif, if you use the word deal,
12:54I will say no.
12:56The party will not make a deal.
12:58But if you talk about dialogue,
13:00that there should be a conversation,
13:02then you know that I will always be in my position.
13:04As you said, Imran did not make a deal.
13:06If it is not even a year and a half, then why will you do it?
13:08No, dialogue.
13:09Look, engagement should continue.
13:11Engagement should not end.
13:13And I am very convinced of that.
13:15I have always told him about it.
13:17And this is how problems are solved.
13:19And I think that the engagement at the KP level is a very good thing.
13:26And this should be expanded.
13:28This should be increased.
13:29It should go forward.
13:30Not for a deal.
13:32The solution to the problems of Pakistan is only and only in this thing
13:36that all the institutions of Pakistan
13:38should operate within their constitutional domain.
13:42This one line is the solution.
13:44That means they should talk to you.
13:46What is their job?
13:48No, no, they should talk.
13:50Even if you disagree, you should still talk.
13:53They cannot talk while they are in the constitution.
13:59They cannot talk to you.
14:02They cannot interfere in politics.
14:07So you are saying that initially they should go out of the constitution
14:12and then listen to us and go back to the constitution.
14:15They will not go out of the constitution.
14:17You know that the constitution is still there.
14:19Everything is there.
14:20Presence is there.
14:21So in this context, you have to make them aware that
14:24this is the best way to solve the problems of Pakistan.
14:30So you should follow that.
14:31They will not deal.
14:32PTI will not deal.
14:33They will not do it at any cost.
14:34Imran Khan will not go out of the constitution.
14:36No, no, I am not talking about the deal.
14:38I am talking about the engagement.
14:39Yes, there should be engagement.
14:40You are talking about the engagement.
14:41Yes, there should be engagement.
14:42Tell me, Adliya is over.
14:43Imran Khan has said that he has destroyed Adliya
14:46through these legislations.
14:49But your party, the outside party,
14:53when this constitutional bench was being formed,
14:58it was a part of the engagement.
15:00They did not vote in the end, but it was a part of the engagement.
15:03They went and sat in the committee of the Judicial Commission.
15:07Where are you standing?
15:09Either you say that this is total destruction,
15:11we will not be a part of it,
15:12or you become a part of it.
15:14We have become a part of the Judicial Commission.
15:16And the rationale behind becoming a part of the Judicial Commission
15:19was that this is an ongoing process.
15:21And the judge has to be appointed from time to time.
15:24And our voice should be heard in this.
15:26So we are a kind of under-protesters.
15:29We do not ask for constitutional amendments.
15:32Now we are going to the Supreme Court.
15:37You have engaged the government of Form 47.
15:39There is no point in going to the Supreme Court.
15:41Because two judges had written
15:43that we should review the amendment.
15:45That did not happen.
15:46Maybe something will happen after the pressure builds.
15:48Nothing will happen.
15:49Pressure will build.
15:50But now this matter will go to the Constitutional Bench.
15:52Sir, the matter has been discussed.
15:53Now this matter will go to the Constitutional Bench.
15:55Now it will not go to the normal Supreme Court.
15:57Tell me, Imran Khan has criticized Qazi Faiz a lot.
16:00Did he make you steal the elections?
16:03Is there any lie in that?
16:05No, I am asking.
16:06Is there a limit?
16:07Along with the Chief Election Commissioner.
16:09There are three people.
16:11Those three people.
16:12I will not take the names of all three.
16:13But those three people.
16:14You can take the names of two.
16:15I will not take the names of three.
16:16Sir, what Mr. Khan has said.
16:17Qazi sir.
16:18Qazi sir.
16:19You consider him directly responsible.
16:21Qazi sir.
16:22Qazi sir and Sultan Akram.
16:23Sultan Raja's character is black.
16:26Sir, you consider Qazi sir directly responsible.
16:29Absolutely.
16:30Absolutely.
16:31Absolutely.
16:32Sir, Mr. Khan has come out.
16:33Suppose there will be a government.
16:35Will you take any action against him?
16:37Mr. Khan does not have a nature.
16:39Mr. Khan has also made his worst enemies friends.
16:42You will have to know.
16:44Who?
16:45Mr. Khan.
16:46Who has he made friends with?
16:47There are many people.
16:48I will not take their names.
16:49Do you have friendship with Nawaz Sharif?
16:50No, I never had friendship with Nawaz Sharif.
16:52You had enmity with him.
16:53I did not have enmity with him.
16:54You said you made enemies.
16:55He does not think in the context of enmity.
16:58There are very few people who understand him.
17:00He does not think in the context of enmity.
17:02And taking revenge is not in his nature.
17:06He thinks of taking revenge.
17:07Question does not arise.
17:08See, in state affairs, many actors come.
17:11Many characters come.
17:12They play their role.
17:13The state should move forward.
17:15And if you come to take revenge on the state,
17:17that is very…
17:18States do not take revenge, sir.
17:20That is right.
17:21Neither the state nor the government.
17:23It is not the job of the government to take revenge.
17:26They have to move on.
17:27They have to move on.
17:28They have to move on.
17:29To give a healing touch.
17:30See, when Nelson Mandela came out of South Africa,
17:33after spending 27 years in jail,
17:35he said, I had two paths in front of me.
17:37Absolutely.
17:38One was the path of revenge.
17:39Look at him.
17:40One was the path of revenge
17:41and the other was the path of…
17:42But they are big people.
17:43We are among the small people.
17:44We can also become big people.
17:45No, no.
17:46We can become big people.
17:47No, no.
17:48In the end, tell me, sir,
17:49why do so many people in your party break?
17:50Which ones break?
17:53The ones you have showcased.
17:54How do they break?
17:55How do they break?
17:56How do they break?
17:57How do they break?
17:58I have heard that a lot of people have taken money from them.
17:59You are so innocent.
18:00No, no.
18:01There is coercion with some people.
18:02But a lot of people have taken money from them.
18:04It is wrong.
18:05See, even under coercion,
18:06I always narrate a parallel.
18:09People say,
18:10the people who have been released,
18:11the rats I call them basically,
18:12you know,
18:13they have jumped the ship.
18:14Those political funerals that are going on.
18:15They say,
18:16they should be taken into the party.
18:18Okay.
18:19I always draw a parallel.
18:20They say,
18:21they have been wronged.
18:22I said,
18:23okay,
18:24hypothetically,
18:25if I believe that they have been wronged,
18:26then they have broken.
18:27But those people,
18:28who have not broken even after tolerating the wrongs,
18:30they have tolerated the wrongs.
18:31But there are a lot of people in your party
18:33who have not been wronged.
18:34Yes, they have not been wronged.
18:35These tests are done only when they have been wronged.
18:37They have not been wronged at all.
18:38They have not been wronged.
18:39The leadership of the party was like this.
18:40They have not been tested.
18:41That someone has been kidnapped,
18:42or kept in a 6x6 cell,
18:44or for example,
18:45some business has been shut down,
18:47or physical torture has been done.
18:48Then we see how it is done.
18:49But that's,
18:50besides the point,
18:51that's not even my issue.
18:52My issue is,
18:53the last question.
18:54What are they doing?
18:55Will you identify,
18:56that these people,
18:57who are now your MNAs,
18:58that these MNAs and senators,
18:59are from our party.
19:00We have done a show-cause.
19:01I think their answers have also come.
19:03I know about three,
19:04but I don't know if the rest have come or not.
19:06But will you buy those answers?
19:07And after that,
19:08the party will decide.
19:09But will you buy those answers?
19:10Huh?
19:11Are you buying those answers?
19:12I have not read them.
19:13I will be very honest with you.
19:14I will tell you after reading them.
19:15But do you think that most people
19:16are coming out of the party?
19:17No, no, no.
19:18I mean,
19:19if someone has done something wrong,
19:20then he will not be able to satisfy us.
19:22So that will be the result of the leadership of the party.
19:25The result of the leadership of the party,
19:27to the extent,
19:28that he may not be in the party.
19:30But beyond that,
19:31I don't think one can do anything.
19:33You can't do anything other than that.
19:34I can't do it.
19:35If I was in a position to do it,
19:36then let me tell you,
19:37this is not the policy of the party,
19:38that we do something like this.
19:39Thank you very much.
19:40Mr. Rauf Hassan was with us.
19:41Let's take a break.
19:43Welcome back, viewers.
19:44Mr. Mohammad Malik is with us.
19:45Mr. Mohammad Zubair is with us.
19:47Mr. Malik,
19:48after Trump's victory,
19:50do you feel that
19:51in Pakistan,
19:52one part,
19:53which is the government of the Muslim League Noon
19:54and People's Party,
19:55is tensed that
19:56there may not be a call.
19:57Of course, it is tensed.
19:58Why wouldn't it be?
19:59It should be.
20:00Why wouldn't it be?
20:01Look, it's history.
20:02We were discussing this yesterday,
20:03in our programs as well.
20:04There is a history.
20:05There is a history of Mr. Mian.
20:07Trump had called him.
20:09Do you remember?
20:10It was a private conversation.
20:12Not Trump, but Clinton.
20:13No, no.
20:14Trump had spoken once,
20:15with Mr. Mian.
20:17Mr. Mian,
20:18as Prime Minister.
20:19So, he had spoken.
20:20It was a conversation,
20:22and he had taken out
20:23the entire transcript.
20:25The transcript was mutual.
20:27He had shown the full transcript.
20:28He was very angry.
20:29Yes, he had praised him a lot.
20:30After that,
20:31because he had talked a lot about it,
20:33do you remember,
20:34it was about Kashmir as well,
20:35that we come to Kashmir,
20:37and make arrangements.
20:39So, the reaction came,
20:40and it was such a breach of protocol,
20:42that after that,
20:43you know,
20:44Trump is a person
20:45who speaks with guts.
20:46At that time,
20:47he would say,
20:48okay, okay,
20:49why did you talk about me?
20:50And then we saw a pullback.
20:52Do you remember Imran?
20:54He was a born homie.
20:55He went in,
20:56he received the steps,
20:57he went in,
20:58he took selfies,
20:59everything.
21:00Then, the pressure of Diaspora,
21:01see,
21:02we have been hearing
21:03the discussions since yesterday,
21:04that Trump is from Pakistan,
21:05that there is no relevance
21:06of Pakistan.
21:07It is absolutely true.
21:08I am looking at it
21:09as a domestic issue.
21:10How many Senates does he have?
21:12Does he have Congress?
21:14Does he have Presidency?
21:15In those Senators,
21:16with those Congressmen,
21:17a lot of people have worked,
21:18the Pakistani Diaspora,
21:19etc.
21:20Okay,
21:21there is a letter
21:22from the Congress
21:23with 60 members,
21:24which Biden
21:25has completely
21:26cooled down.
21:27Now,
21:28if that same letter
21:29goes only to the Diaspora,
21:30to the Congressmen,
21:31to the Senators,
21:32leave the rest,
21:33activate this only.
21:34So,
21:35even for a domestic
21:36quid pro quo,
21:37you will do it?
21:38By the way,
21:39Trump doesn't care
21:40about protocols,
21:41or what is right,
21:42or what is wrong,
21:43He doesn't.
21:44He doesn't.
21:45If he feels that
21:46he has to do it,
21:47he will do it.
21:48I was listening to
21:49Mushahid in your program
21:50yesterday.
21:51Mushahid sir
21:52said something
21:53very interesting.
21:54He said,
21:55show me a person
21:56who says that
21:57my generals are useless,
21:58my soldiers are useless,
21:59I will do this,
22:00I will do that,
22:01and we have seen him
22:02in North Korea,
22:03what he did.
22:04He used to fire
22:05his own people
22:06on Twitter.
22:07He is very impulsive,
22:08shoots from the hip,
22:09and now,
22:10Americans will know
22:11for the first time
22:12how people in
22:13countries like Pakistan
22:14live.
22:15You can check as much
22:16as you want,
22:17you can rule as
22:18much as you want.
22:19Let's see.
22:20No,
22:21that person
22:22is in a very
22:23murderous mood.
22:24Let's see.
22:25Mr. Zubair,
22:26Mr. Khair tweeted
22:27and said,
22:28there was a call
22:29earlier as well,
22:305 million dollars
22:31were offered
22:32to stop the explosions.
22:33That's a different
22:34thing.
22:35Yeah,
22:36exactly.
22:37The problem is
22:38that the comparison
22:39is different.
22:40India had
22:410.6 million
22:42and Pakistan
22:43had
22:440.3 million.
22:45India
22:46is
22:47in
22:48a very
22:49similar
22:50situation.
22:51The
22:52fact is
22:53that
22:54India
22:55had
22:56the
22:57same
22:58number
22:59of
23:00dead
23:01people
23:02as
23:03Pakistan
23:04did.
23:05India
23:06was
23:07quite
23:08strong
23:09at least
23:10The call will come on their behalf only.
23:12Mr. Zubair.
23:14Yes, Kashif.
23:16First of all, Mr. Khawaja's tweet
23:18Mr. Khawaja's statement
23:20itself shows how nervous he is.
23:22And
23:24how much danger he is feeling.
23:26Even though a federal minister,
23:28a senior federal minister, a defense minister
23:30shouldn't even talk about this.
23:32You yourself
23:34are saying that
23:36we are scared.
23:38What will we do if it comes?
23:40And we are telling our supporters
23:42how we responded to that call in 1998.
23:44But they should also know
23:46that after that
23:48in 1999
23:50when Kargil happened
23:52on July 4th,
23:54Mr. Mian reached Washington
23:56to get a ceasefire.
23:58So no one can deny America.
24:00And that was a completely different background.
24:02This is a different background now.
24:04You are saying that
24:06the whole world understands America
24:08and blames America
24:10for not ensuring
24:12human rights violations,
24:14for not talking about
24:16the rule of law,
24:18for not talking about
24:20the electoral process.
24:22Obviously, they expect.
24:24Like Malik was saying,
24:26the Pakistanis there
24:28are at a very good level
24:30and they have supported Trump.
24:32They have invested money
24:34and I know this
24:36that the people of Pakistan
24:38who have funded the Trump campaign
24:40had a conversation
24:42and the understanding was
24:44that you have come out
24:46and if you get elected
24:48you will get Imran Khan out.
24:50You have supported Trump,
24:52you have supported the Congressmen,
24:54you have supported the Senators.
24:56These are three levels of support.
24:58You haven't supported one?
25:00No, it's not just three levels,
25:02you have supported the Congress
25:04of Texas, Florida,
25:06every state has its own assembly.
25:08The Pakistanis are involved.
25:10But the most important thing
25:12is that this victory
25:14of Trump,
25:16this is the most stunning
25:18comeback victory in American history.
25:20Firstly, he is already impulsive.
25:22Secondly, he is coming
25:24so strong with both houses
25:26of the Congress under him.
25:28I don't think anyone can stop him.
25:30Whether he is diplomatic or undiplomatic,
25:32he will do it.
25:34He will do whatever he wants.
25:36He will do what Trump does.
25:38He is going to Trump everyone.
25:40He will do what Trump does.
25:42Is this a lesson for Pakistan also?
25:44You are absolutely right.
25:46But look at it from
25:48a Pakistani perspective.
25:50We had become a joke in Pakistan.
25:52We used to make fun of it.
25:54Look at this Pakistani Trump.
25:56Today he is the President of America
25:58and we are deleting tweets.
26:00Yesterday when we were talking,
26:02Mr. Radha Sinha was in my program.
26:04How do you?
26:06To be honest.
26:08Those people who used to say
26:10that you are talking like this
26:12and you are spoiling relations with America.
26:14Didn't you tell them in the letter?
26:16Didn't you take clearance from the Prime Minister?
26:18I did ask him.
26:20I said you are realizing
26:22that you are an advisor to the Prime Minister
26:24on political affairs.
26:26Why is the context of the call
26:28very important?
26:30When the first calls came,
26:32we didn't have any
26:34manoeuvring room
26:36to make fun of it.
26:38We couldn't make fun of it.
26:40It was a manoeuvring room.
26:42Pakistan and Afghanistan were
26:44separate.
26:46At least we can make fun of it.
26:48Because you want something from me.
26:50Today there is a one-sided equation.
26:52We want everything.
26:54We have missed all the targets
26:56of the first quarter.
26:58The opposition has already
27:00put on a show
27:02that they will bring a mini-budget.
27:04Even if the mini-budget doesn't come,
27:06we are walking a very tightrope.
27:08But in 1999,
27:10after the blasts,
27:12we became the most sanctioned
27:14country in the world.
27:16We didn't have the money
27:18to visit Mian Nawaz Sharif.
27:20Economically,
27:22we had a lot of money.
27:24But the issue was such
27:26that no one could step back.
27:28This is a different issue.
27:30Would you agree that this issue
27:32is different?
27:34The issue is very different.
27:36One of the army chiefs
27:38when he was about to retire,
27:40he went on a few trips.
27:42He went to UAE
27:44and Saudi Arabia.
27:46He was telling me that
27:48when he talked to the president
27:50of Saudi Arabia,
27:52he said,
27:54out of the blue,
27:56he said,
27:58don't be the last one
28:00to recognize Israel.
28:02Now you are worried
28:04about Trump's call.
28:06Now you have to think
28:08about recognizing Israel.
28:10This is going to be a big
28:12knife twist.
28:14Then the government's leverage
28:16will increase.
28:18They will give you time
28:20and then do it.
28:22These are very tough
28:24things for the Pakistan government.
28:26You have to think very seriously.
28:28And I think
28:30in this...
28:32It's a very easy way.
28:34It's an easy way.
28:36I think it is
28:38very difficult
28:40for Pakistan right now.
28:42You also talked about IMF.
28:44Pakistan is completely irrelevant.
28:46India is relevant.
28:48It is obvious that
28:50they will take more interest in India.
28:52So there is a very easy way
28:54for the Pakistani administration
28:56to start getting better
28:58themselves.
29:00Instead of getting a call
29:02and threatening you
29:04and making you do things
29:06that you don't like.
29:08Think of something else.
29:10The government has only
29:124-5 months.
29:14If there is a call
29:16then we are looking at
29:18February-March.
29:20They have only 2 options.
29:22One is to
29:24punish them as much as they want.
29:26There were 3 punishments
29:28before the elections.
29:30I think
29:32that has already happened.
29:34That has already happened.
29:36Your constitutional benches
29:38have been formed.
29:40There is a lot of assurance.
29:42On 8th October
29:44you said that
29:46you will become the
29:48President of the Constitutional Court.
29:50That was the drama of the Constitutional Court.
29:52Now you have become the
29:54President of the Constitutional Bench.
29:56The preparations are complete.
29:58You have controlled the election tribunals in Punjab.
30:00I think
30:02the issue is
30:04that Trump's victory
30:06I was saying that
30:08Trump's victory
30:10I had no idea
30:12that Trump will win.
30:14He will win in such a way
30:16that it will sweep the Democratic Party.
30:18With that mandate
30:20he will do anything.
30:22He should do anything.
30:24As a Pakistani I wish
30:26that he does something.
30:28The rulers of Pakistan
30:30should do something
30:32for Imran Khan.
30:34Why should Pakistan interfere
30:36in internal affairs?
30:38America is committed.
30:40Kashif,
30:42America is committed.
30:44They have taken the oath
30:46of democracy.
30:48No, the oath is over.
30:50Democracy will end in America.
30:52Yes, the oath is over.
30:58In Gaza, the oath of human rights
31:00has been buried.
31:02If they wanted to do democracy
31:04they would have done it then.
31:06America sees Israel in a different way
31:08than Pakistan.
31:10I am seeing it from a different angle.
31:12I am seeing it as an action
31:14due to domestic political pressure.
31:16This is not because of higher principles.
31:18There is no morality
31:20or higher principles
31:22that we have to do this in the region.
31:24When you are having dinners
31:26and you are spending money
31:28of $1000 a plate
31:30and you are investing
31:32donors,
31:34the elected people will push it.
31:36We have to pay back our people.
31:38It is easy for them
31:40to pay back for Trump.
31:42Because he has nothing at stake.
31:44I don't agree
31:46that domestic pressure
31:48will come on Trump.
31:50Trump's Senate Majority Leader
31:52will not be able to do anything
31:54about Trump.
31:56This is not a coercive pressure.
31:58This is a moral pressure.
32:00Let me add one thing.
32:02Kashif, let me add one thing.
32:04Don't take this in a negative sense.
32:06The pressure is that
32:08his senators
32:10will say that
32:12they have promised their electorates
32:14to do this.
32:16This is not a coercive pressure.
32:18It is a low hanging fruit for the American President.
32:20He has taken a call.
32:24Kashif, it is not just a low hanging fruit.
32:26It goes along with
32:28what Trump wants.
32:30Trump likes Imran Khan
32:32as compared to Shibaz Sharif.
32:34It is obvious that
32:36it will be easier for him
32:38to do this.
32:40It will be easier for him
32:42to do this.
32:44When Imran Khan went to
32:46America
32:48for an official tour,
32:50they took him to
32:52the house where they live.
32:54Inside the White House.
32:56It was not accepted.
32:58Yesterday, Fawad told me
33:00an interesting story.
33:02Ivana, his first wife,
33:04Kushner's mother,
33:06she had a picture of Imran Khan.
33:08She is very beautiful.
33:10She is very beautiful.
33:12She has a link up with her children.
33:14Children are linked.
33:16Trump is linked.
33:18His second wife is linked.
33:20It is a very easy thing.
33:22Americans who know
33:24the psyche and
33:26structure of interaction,
33:28it is not a big deal.
33:30I think it is a very low hanging fruit
33:32for PTI USA.
33:34Activate it.
33:36The other angle,
33:38if we listen to one point,
33:40Zulfi Bukhari's direct relationship
33:42is with his son-in-law.
33:44Zulfi said that he is going to meet him.
33:48Exactly. It was his major role.
33:50Trump did not worry
33:52before.
33:54He did not think
33:56that his son-in-law
33:58is in such an important position.
34:00So, good relations with son-in-law
34:02means direct access to Trump.
34:04So, why would he not take
34:06any...
34:08Why would he not use him?
34:10It is a very interesting interview.
34:12The media is very free.
34:14We cannot show it.
34:16Mr. Khan also said
34:18in a program with Hamid
34:20that Trump has linked his relatives.
34:22We cannot show it.
34:24So, everyone should show
34:26Trump at some point.
34:28You should show it.
34:30You should start showing it.
34:32You can show it.
34:34You cannot show it to Mr. Khan.
34:36You can show it to Mr. Khan.
34:38It is against the law.
34:40You cannot show it.
34:42You can show it.
34:44It is a strange world.
34:46If you believe me,
34:48you can use it,
34:50but it is against the law.
34:52Yes, if you go against it,
34:54you will be praised.
34:56I don't know what to say.
34:58Let's try and see.
35:00I don't know where it is.
35:02Tell me, Mr. Zubair.
35:04The show of Mariam Nawaz.
35:06No, we have shown it.
35:08We have shown it.
35:10We have shown it.
35:12We have shown the first tweet
35:14of Bilawal Bhutto.
35:16No, no.
35:18When Bilawal Bhutto came,
35:20he was a convict.
35:22He was shown going from London.
35:24He was shown arriving in Islamabad.
35:26Today, I was planning to invite him
35:28to my show and talk to Zulfi Bukhari.
35:30Then the notice of Pembra came out
35:32in August, in which it was said
35:34that you cannot show it.
35:36It came out in August.
35:38Now, people don't realize it.
35:40They think, why is this person not coming?
35:42This person can come.
35:44This is a very balanced media coverage.
35:46Do we have to deal with this?
35:50It is not balanced.
35:52It is one-sided.
35:54Sometimes, it works like this.
35:56In Pakistan,
35:58problems work like this.
36:00But the way Trump
36:02has come back
36:04and let it happen.
36:06Eventually, everything was done.
36:08Eventually, he became the President.
36:10He will become the President of the US.
36:12I think,
36:14it just shows one thing.
36:44We will make a difference after 10 years.
36:46We will change everything.
36:48Tell me, Mr. Zubair.
36:50I think,
36:52there will be a phone call in January.
36:54There will be a phone call?
36:56When?
36:58In January.
37:00Obviously, on 20th.
37:02He will not call on 20th.
37:04Sir, it is also possible that
37:06the message will come first.
37:08Or the message will come.
37:10But Mr. Khaij thinks,
37:12if the message does not come,
37:14I think,
37:16the Prime Minister will not call.
37:18Hope is a strategy.
37:20This discussion has already been done.
37:22Hope is a strategy.
37:24We have already discussed
37:26whether the Prime Minister will call or not.
37:28Mr. Rana said it in the show yesterday.
37:30When he is feeling so dull,
37:32he should take action first.
37:34What action should we take first?
37:36He has already taken a few decisions.
37:38What should we do if he starts dancing
37:40in front of the Prime Minister?
37:42Mr. Shiva Shrivastav
37:44will go and open the door
37:46and ask him to come out.
37:48Let me tell you,
37:50if he has to do something,
37:52if he has the pressure of the diaspora,
37:54or already engagements,
37:56or let's say Zulfi Bukhari goes
37:58and speaks to the son-in-law,
38:00all of that,
38:02do not wait for February.
38:04An indirect message will reach him first.
38:06He is now President-elect of the United States.
38:08A message can reach him before January.
38:10A message can reach him before January.
38:12There are a lot of possibilities.
38:14We have to make a government.
38:16We have to make a government.
38:18The people who have been elected,
38:20the new people have to come
38:22and do oath-taking.
38:24The government has four months.
38:26I think by February,
38:28they have a safe margin.
38:30They can do whatever they want in February.
38:32Will there be a call?
38:34I think there will be an indirect pressure.
38:36There will be a call.
38:38No, it's very important.
38:40Will Donald Trump get Imran Khan out of jail or not?
38:42If you are betting,
38:44I would bet on the side
38:46that I will see the intervention.
38:48Imran Khan will come out.
38:50Mr. Zubair has already said that.
38:52Before my election,
38:54I didn't think so,
38:56but the way the election
38:58was a road roller in Congress.
39:00It's more important to me
39:02that the commitments given to the diaspora
39:04are officially or unofficially
39:06before the election.
39:08Mr. Zubair, can you see a call
39:10in 10 seconds or not?
39:12Yes, there will be multiple things.
39:14There is a diaspora,
39:16there are contacts of Zulfi Bukhari.
39:18There will be a lot of pressure
39:20from all sources,
39:22from the Foreign Office,
39:24from Human Rights.
39:26I think there will be a message
39:28and not a call wall.
39:30Absolutely right.
39:32The democracy is of the name.
39:34The elections are also of the name.
39:36Whoever wants to win,
39:38wins in Pakistan.
39:40Such governments are formed.
39:42Such decisions are made.
39:44Such a country is running.
39:46We have to fix it.
39:48Fix this foundation.