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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:03What is the big news today?
00:04People were not understanding the big news of yesterday,
00:07the extensions that are taking place, the laws are being passed.
00:09The first meeting of the Judicial Commission took place.
00:11And as you know, and not unexpectedly,
00:14Justice Amiruddin Khan Sahib will be the senior judge of that meeting
00:18and he will lead it.
00:20Interestingly, the vote that took place,
00:22according to that method, it was a vote of 7-5.
00:24And Justice Jaya Afridi, Chief Justice,
00:28he actually voted against it.
00:32But a very interesting constitution of this bench has been made.
00:36Justice Amiruddin Khan Sahib is the senior judge, he will be its head.
00:40Justice Ayesha Malik is in it,
00:42Justice Naeem Akhtar Ghan Sahib,
00:44Justice Jamal Bandokher,
00:46Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar,
00:47Justice Hassan Azhar Rizvi Sahib,
00:49Justice Musarrat Ali Ali Sahiba,
00:51this is a special news.
00:53If we look at the decisions of the past,
00:55Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar and Justice Hassan Azhar Rizvi Sahib,
01:00the case of reserve seats,
01:02they voted in that.
01:04They voted on the line of Mansoor Ali Shah.
01:07And when you talk to legal experts,
01:10they say that it is expected that
01:12the decisions that we will see in the future,
01:14maybe we will see 4-3 in accordance with the judicial bench.
01:21It is a very unfortunate thing that we can predict,
01:23but you will remember in this program,
01:25even a few weeks ago,
01:27I shared this news with you that
01:29Justice Amiruddin Khan will be the head of the judicial bench.
01:33And there are big reasons for this.
01:35At the same time, there was another very interesting development.
01:37Everyone thought that Yaya Afridi has now come,
01:39he has become the Chief Justice,
01:41he has an old friendship with Mansoor Ali Shah,
01:43everything is there.
01:45So he will now join the Supreme Court.
01:47But today he also felt a big shock.
01:49When a letter was issued on the 4th,
01:51by Justice Mansoor Ali Shah and Justice Muneeb Akhtar,
01:55where they said that
01:57we had a committee meeting,
01:59the judges who have made the bench,
02:01who have to decide how the bench will be made,
02:03under the procedure act.
02:05And in that we said, it was decided
02:07that you should file a case in the full court on November 4,
02:11against this 26th amendment.
02:13And because you did not apply,
02:15so now we, both the members,
02:17have decided by majority
02:19that this case should be filed immediately.
02:21So the rift has now come in front.
02:23And the thought that,
02:25you remember that
02:27Mansoor Ali Shah was not sitting
02:29in this committee before,
02:31and when Yaya Afridi became,
02:33he convinced him to bring him back,
02:35and Muneeb Akhtar also came.
02:37Now what has become of the game now?
02:39Justice Muneeb Akhtar
02:41is neither a member of that committee,
02:43nor is he in these benches.
02:45Another interesting exclusion
02:47is that of Justice Hatham Inilla.
02:49He also did not come to these benches.
02:51So now it is clear that
02:53the government has got everything of its own.
02:55The Judicial Bench
02:57has also become of its own.
02:59The Army Chief has also been extended.
03:01All other things
03:03related to the judiciary
03:05have also been
03:07locked.
03:09Does the government
03:11have a lot of peace?
03:13Has the judiciary also been in control?
03:15It seems that the army
03:17has also become dependent on him
03:19because extensions have also been done.
03:21Will the work be able to run?
03:23Is Imran Khan and PTI
03:25worried?
03:27We are talking to them,
03:29who are directly involved in all these things.
03:31Khawaja Asif Sahib, our Defence Minister.
03:33Assalam-o-Alaikum Khawaja sahib.
03:35You people have become
03:37in absolute control.
03:39You have the Judicial Commission,
03:41the Tribunals in Punjab.
03:43You have given extensions
03:45to the Chief.
03:47Now the Judicial Commission
03:49has become a bench of your choice.
03:51Now if you do not want to go to the government,
03:53then no.
03:55Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim.
03:57First of all, I will object
03:59to the word extension.
04:01Because this tenure
04:03has been extended.
04:05Extensions are given to one person
04:07at a time.
04:09This is a tenure
04:11that I think in many countries
04:13already,
04:15in fact,
04:17in the Supreme Court of the US,
04:19you are the judge of the Supreme Court
04:21till your last breath.
04:23Once appointed, you cannot be.
04:25So,
04:27the period of three years
04:29was almost
04:31not in sync with the rest
04:33of the terms.
04:35You have done the Assembly,
04:37Election Commission,
04:39Prime Minister.
04:41All these were five years.
04:43So, it has been synced with that.
04:45And it is not a person-specific.
04:47Of course.
04:49We cannot even suggest.
04:51Of course.
04:53It will start now.
04:55But after that,
04:57many will benefit from it.
04:59The extensions you used to give
05:01were specifically for one person.
05:03General Kiani got it.
05:05Other people got it.
05:07With them, the transaction closed.
05:09So, this is a fundamental difference.
05:11You have institutionalized it.
05:13At this time,
05:15what was the need
05:17to harmonize?
05:19You must have thought
05:21that all these people will keep
05:23chitchatting on TV networks
05:25about the extension.
05:27This is also a factor.
05:29I tend to agree with you.
05:31Continuous speculation
05:33and uncertainty
05:35created an
05:37uncertain atmosphere.
05:39You used to do kite flying.
05:41Yes, kite flying.
05:43We used to say,
05:45at least, we will do it.
05:47We will talk about it later.
05:49I think,
05:55in the long term,
05:57our history,
05:59in the last 76 years,
06:01these incidents
06:03have been repeated.
06:05This is the first time
06:07you are talking about extensions.
06:09But, till Bajwa sahib,
06:11did you give Bajwa sahib
06:133 years or 1 year?
06:153 years.
06:17In my opinion,
06:19You gave so many extensions,
06:21he would have forgotten.
06:23You are right.
06:25We didn't give it.
06:27I have voted for Bajwa sahib.
06:29Other than that,
06:31I have not voted for any extension.
06:33Yesterday, a journalist asked,
06:35he said,
06:37we were not involved in this crime.
06:39I said, I was involved.
06:41You know, one must accept it.
06:43But, tell me,
06:45on a serious note,
06:47let me complete
06:49this thing.
06:51Like you said,
06:53these doors of
06:55speculation are closed.
06:57Now, in the next 3 years,
07:01November is already a month ahead,
07:03this speculation
07:05will die down.
07:07And, especially,
07:09regarding these institutions,
07:11this speculation,
07:13because all these institutions...
07:15They say, you have done this
07:17because,
07:19you didn't harmonize it.
07:21Because,
07:23there was a history with Mr. Imran Khan.
07:25There were disagreements.
07:27Mr. Imran Khan talked about
07:29the appointment.
07:31So, you think,
07:33you don't have a political answer
07:35to deal with Mr. Imran Khan.
07:37So, you believe in administrative measures.
07:39And, you think, a message will go
07:41to all the PTI,
07:43that no one is going from here.
07:45The next 3 years will be the same.
07:47This is the administration.
07:49This is the establishment.
07:51So, the second, third tier PTI people
07:53should decide about their future.
07:55This is a message.
07:57You didn't harmonize it.
07:59No, I don't think so.
08:01You are talking about political
08:03benefits.
08:05Or,
08:07dividends.
08:09You are talking about political
08:11dividends.
08:13What I have said,
08:15in that context,
08:17that this matter,
08:19in 1987,
08:21Mr. Feroz Khan was the
08:23Prime Minister.
08:25After that, these people,
08:27these 3 people gave themselves
08:29an extension.
08:31General Iyar Khan was the only
08:33person who didn't get a chance.
08:35I don't remember.
08:37After that,
08:39General Kiani and
08:41General Bajwa were there.
08:43So, if you have harmonized it,
08:45then why didn't you put a
08:47block that after 5 years,
08:49there can't be an extension,
08:51there can't be a term again.
08:53You have left this open-ended.
08:55Earlier, I was listening to Mr. Rana
08:57Sinawala, yesterday or the day before
08:59he was saying in a program,
09:01that look, this is very good,
09:03we have reduced it.
09:05It used to be 3 years,
09:076 years, now it is 5 years.
09:09Now it can be 5 to 10 years.
09:11Why didn't you put a block
09:13that it will only be 5 years.
09:15You are right that this possibility
09:17remains after 5 years of expiry.
09:21I don't know,
09:23the framers,
09:25we are the framers,
09:27that a possibility
09:29definitely remains.
09:31You can say that
09:33the administration
09:35or the political government
09:37has kept this power with them
09:39so that they don't have to
09:41do anything special
09:43for any transaction.
09:45You are the defense minister,
09:47you are talking about the extension
09:49of the army chiefs.
09:51No, no.
09:53I am just saying that
09:55there should be a cut-off
09:57for 5 years,
09:59let's end the possibility
10:01of extension.
10:03No, no.
10:05The discussion,
10:07the draft,
10:09over the weeks,
10:11has been settled.
10:13And you are already
10:15opening the doors of speculation
10:17as to what will happen after 5 years.
10:19We will come to the...
10:21You think
10:23you can silence us?
10:25No, no.
10:27We can cross the bridge
10:29when we come to it.
10:31But you are building the bridges.
10:33These are the bridges that you are building.
10:35It is good that we are building bridges.
10:37We need to build bridges.
10:39If I follow your logic,
10:41and I have no reason
10:43why should I question it,
10:45then why did you keep the Chief Justice
10:47for 3 years?
10:49Why did you keep him for 5 years?
10:51You kept him for 3 years
10:53so that the next 2 or 3 judges
10:55would be in the good books
10:57of the government
10:59so that we don't get a seizure.
11:01Let me tell you that
11:03in the original draft,
11:05we had extended
11:07the term of employment
11:09to 5 years.
11:11It was the original draft.
11:13The draft of PMLN?
11:15No, no.
11:17It was a joint draft.
11:19It was not just the draft of PMLN.
11:21Was it 5 years?
11:23No, not 5 years.
11:25The term of employment
11:27was increased.
11:29It was 68, right?
11:31It was 67 or 68.
11:33It was 5 years.
11:35Now, after 3 years,
11:37it is 12 years.
11:39These are complicated
11:41equations.
11:43You said it is not person specific.
11:45If it is not person specific,
11:47then why did you end
11:49the age limit of 64
11:51in this issue?
11:53So that the next Army Chief
11:55would be made for 5 years
11:57and according to that age.
11:59This becomes person specific
12:01when you facilitate
12:03everything.
12:05I think you are trying
12:07to make it person specific
12:09but it is not person specific.
12:11You will find
12:13hundreds of things
12:15like this.
12:17Lawmaking is important.
12:19I think
12:21all these things
12:23have been done
12:25keeping in mind
12:27this speculation
12:29and keeping in mind
12:31the laws.
12:33Why did it come
12:35so secretly?
12:37It was not even
12:39on the agenda.
12:41You know that
12:43this is the most important
12:45thing in this country.
12:47If it was a secret,
12:49then you would have
12:51told everyone.
12:53But it was not on the agenda.
12:55Even if you are doing
12:57it is not the wrong way.
12:59We are permitted to do that.
13:01There is no bar of that.
13:03There is no bar of that.
13:05But don't you think
13:07there should be more transparency?
13:09We have given them
13:11a mic for transparency.
13:13Gauhar sir was not allowed
13:15to give a speech.
13:17We thought that
13:19there should be a debate
13:21for an hour or two.
13:23You have done it to everyone.
13:25He is not happy.
13:27He took 3 years to do it.
13:29Okay,
13:31I will keep this
13:33for another discussion.
13:37Tell me,
13:39now you have absolute
13:41control over the judiciary.
13:43Listen to me,
13:45there is only one absolute
13:47and that is Allah.
13:49The rest of the people
13:51do a lot of planning.
13:53You do the planning
13:55and I will do what I have to do.
13:57But my question is
13:59that we don't think
14:01that the counter narrative
14:03of the government
14:05or the ruling alliance
14:07is a political counter narrative.
14:09I think our political
14:11counter narrative is
14:13building up very solidly.
14:15All your signs
14:17of the economy are positive.
14:19Yesterday,
14:21you talked about
14:23the policy rate.
14:25This is very good.
14:27We are talking about
14:292 to 3 trillion rupees
14:31in interest.
14:331.3 trillion.
14:35Yes, 1.3 trillion.
14:37After that,
14:39you see that
14:41inflation has come
14:43in low single digits.
14:45Similarly,
14:47your exports have increased,
14:49that means
14:51the general public,
14:53the general Pakistani
14:55or the Pakistani living
14:57in foreign countries
14:59have confidence
15:01in their country.
15:03Do you think
15:05this is your strategy?
15:07We want the signs
15:09that are moving towards positivity
15:11to be strengthened.
15:13That is our political
15:15narrative.
15:17If you can keep
15:19Imran Khan inside
15:21for a year or a year and a half,
15:23and in the meantime
15:25the economy improves,
15:27if people see
15:29that there is no change
15:31in the establishment,
15:33then PTI's confidence will also
15:35break and people will
15:37start drifting.
15:39But for that,
15:41Imran Khan has to stay inside.
15:43I will agree with you
15:45but I will not agree
15:47with the people living outside.
15:49That has nothing to do
15:51with the stability of the
15:53economy in Pakistan.
15:55In fact, Imran Khan is
15:57such an element
15:59that he made
16:01Pakistan's economy
16:03unstable.
16:05To the extent that
16:07he wrote a letter
16:09to the IMF
16:11and other countries
16:13and we can
16:15ride on that revolt and come back.
16:17I think Imran Khan is not relevant
16:19as far as the economy is concerned.
16:21He is an independent factor.
16:23I agree with you
16:25that if the economy
16:27revives, then definitely
16:29our political fortunes will also
16:31brighten.
16:33Imran Khan has spoken today
16:35and tweeted
16:37that the Pakistani people
16:39should come out against
16:41the extension of the mafia.
16:43I did not have a phone,
16:45so I did not know how to use
16:47Twitter.
16:49He said that our future
16:51generations will also
16:53live like ants.
16:55This does not mean
16:57one person or party,
16:59but the stability of
17:01the entire country.
17:03He did not remember
17:05when he called
17:07Bajwa his father.
17:09You see, in the history of Pakistan,
17:11politicians have changed a lot.
17:13I admit that.
17:15We are also a part of that.
17:17But all the positions
17:19that he has changed,
17:21I do not care,
17:23and in a limited time,
17:25all the positions that he has changed,
17:27you see, give a referendum
17:29on Dehl-e-Musharraf,
17:31give a vote to Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
17:33then abuse him.
17:35All these things are in front of you.
17:37You have been watching
17:39this from the ringside seat.
17:41All these contradictions
17:43are so much in this man.
17:45Today,
17:47if someone holds his hand
17:49and says,
17:51I will take you to the establishment,
17:53see how easily he will walk away.
17:55Sir, the people who hold your hand,
17:57Maulana Sahib, Maulana Sahib is also saying
17:59that you have put a civilian martial law.
18:01See, Maulana,
18:03Maulana is a very
18:05good politician.
18:07I have always welcomed
18:09his comments.
18:11There are good comments,
18:13there are political comments,
18:15and they want
18:17to be acted upon.
18:19I do not consider
18:21Imran Khan
18:23to be a political person.
18:25He is an opportunist.
18:27He is a carpet bagger, you know.
18:29Whether you believe it or not,
18:31people believe it.
18:33This is the popularity of the party.
18:35What will happen if you say this?
18:37You see,
18:39this is
18:41late
18:432022,
18:45the PTI government
18:47was very responsible
18:49and told me
18:51that if the election happens now,
18:53then we
18:55will not even get 17 seats.
18:57Anyway,
18:59after that,
19:01my view
19:03was that we should have
19:05held the elections immediately.
19:07At that time,
19:09Imran Khan's
19:11political popularity
19:13was at its lowest.
19:15If it has revived,
19:17I admit that it has revived,
19:19but it is not like that.
19:21If our economy is stable,
19:23then the revival…
19:25His popularity is still there,
19:27but the unpopularity
19:29is not of your establishment.
19:31No, I think
19:33you can apply this
19:35at that time as well.
19:37Bajwa and company
19:39were extremely unpopular
19:41and obviously
19:43the trio was
19:45Faiz, Bajwa and Imran Khan.
19:47They were extremely unpopular.
19:49Corruption
19:51starting from
19:53CM
19:55KP to
19:57CM Punjab,
19:59it was so rampant
20:01that there was never
20:03so much corruption in Pakistan
20:05in the last 76 years.
20:07These days, there is talk
20:09that Busha Bibi came out,
20:11then Gandapur sir came,
20:13then KP house,
20:15then everything went back.
20:17Talks have started
20:19that some people are compromised.
20:21What deal?
20:23I will talk about that later,
20:25Yes, there are a lot of
20:27rifts in their party.
20:29What are rifts?
20:31Another senator
20:33has been arrested.
20:35I will not take his name now.
20:37He has been arrested.
20:39I have been telling the
20:41location of his car.
20:43He has been arrested.
20:45I will talk about the
20:47senators later.
20:49This is the situation
20:51in the National Assembly.
20:53Look at
20:55Gandapur sir's
20:57behavior.
20:59The incidents
21:01that happened
21:03before the
21:05Jalsa and Jalusa
21:07were used
21:09to
21:11postpone the Jalsa
21:13because
21:15there was
21:17an event
21:19in Islamabad that day.
21:21All these incidents
21:23are being used.
21:25The way they
21:27talk about it
21:29to restore their
21:31credibility.
21:33Is there a possibility
21:35of a deal?
21:37I don't think
21:39it is a soft deal.
21:41But at least
21:43they have covered
21:45their flanks.
21:47Gandapur sir
21:49has been arrested.
21:51Imran Khan
21:53has been blessed.
21:55Otherwise,
21:57the way the party
21:59has abused
22:01Gandapur sir
22:03twice.
22:05I don't know
22:07what to
22:09criticize.
22:11The way
22:13the party
22:15has criticized
22:17Gandapur sir
22:19twice.
22:21I don't know
22:23what to
22:25criticize.
22:27But they
22:29have been
22:31abused.
22:33I don't know
22:35what to
22:37criticize.
22:39I don't know
22:41what to
22:43criticize.
22:45They are
22:47dying to
22:49make a deal with the
22:51establishment.
22:53And all
22:55their efforts
22:57are because of
22:59Imran Khan.
23:01If it wasn't for
23:03Imran Khan,
23:05I don't think
23:07there would have
23:09been a reason
23:11for him to
23:13be arrested.
23:15Imran Khan
23:17has been blessed.
23:19Without Imran Khan,
23:21BBB and
23:23Gandapur
23:25can't take the initiative.
23:27The question is
23:29why did you
23:31make such a big decision
23:33that you as a political
23:35government couldn't afford
23:37to change the leadership
23:39of the establishment?
23:41There is no burden
23:43and they can deal with it.
23:45This is an
23:47illegitimate question.
23:49It's not a question,
23:51it's an obligation.
23:53You said that if this
23:55would have happened,
23:57this would have happened,
23:59this would have happened.
24:01I will refrain from
24:03saying this.
24:05But I want to
24:07tell you that
24:09these people
24:11are giving an understanding
24:13that we are ready
24:15for a deal.
24:17We will play the ball
24:19if you support us.
24:21What is the response
24:23from the other side?
24:25Their services are available
24:27at different levels.
24:29So you have closed the way.
24:31No, we haven't closed the way.
24:33We haven't closed the way.
24:35You are talking about
24:37popularity.
24:39I also believe that there is
24:41popularity.
24:43They are not unpopular,
24:45they are popular.
24:47How popular they are
24:49is a separate matter.
24:51But Mr. Malik,
24:53these people don't
24:55want to trust them.
24:57Because in the last
24:591-2 years,
25:01there have been so many
25:03lamp posts.
25:05Our time is up.
25:07Our program
25:09will end here because
25:11when you come after the break,
25:13you will see the special
25:15transmission of the US election.
25:17But I want to conclude
25:19that today, as we speak,
25:21the government has comfortably
25:23locked all its bases.
25:25Judiciary is covered,
25:27irony benches are covered.
25:29If Mr. Imran Khan had hoped
25:31that there would be a change
25:33and dad bases covered also,
25:35now after all these things,
25:37if this government is not able to deliver,
25:39then
25:41Allah Hafiz for this country.
25:43Allow me to leave.
25:45Allah Hafiz.