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00:00All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat Podcast

00:29here on the CLNS media network presented by our wonderful friends over at PrizePix, GameTime

00:36and PXG.

00:38It is Brian Hines back as always with Alex Barth for a busy show today.

00:42We have the Patriots getting ready to go play the Tennessee Titans this weekend.

00:47We have the trade deadline less than a week away.

00:50We've all become way too familiar with the NFL's concussion protocol and all the steps

00:56and phases because of Drake May's activity.

00:58So we will get to it all, then, of course, we have our PrizePix lineup and maybe talk

01:03a little college football at the end of this bad boy.

01:07But we will start with the Titans, the 1-6 Titans, and Drake May going through that concussion

01:15protocol again.

01:17He's been out on the practice field, so that's positive.

01:20Kind of reading between the lines, right?

01:22We heard from Gerard Mayo yesterday, he said he couldn't, Drake couldn't be out there for

01:27more than 30 minutes.

01:29So that would put him in kind of phase three where, you know, you have to stay under that

01:3330 minute threshold.

01:35But then we get out there today and he's out there for the media portion of the start of

01:41practice, which he wasn't yesterday.

01:43So it looks like he was ramping up a little bit.

01:45At least he didn't suffer a setback, right?

01:48But it seems like he was ramping up a little bit.

01:50Looks like maybe he's in phase four now.

01:52So if this all goes well and maybe tomorrow he's cleared for full activity and then just

01:58has to get cleared by the other, the independent kind of doctor and he's go time.

02:03So seems like it's been encouraging progress on the Drake May front.

02:07I don't know if that's how you look at it and maybe trending in the direction of playing

02:13on Sunday.

02:14You don't want to declare anything because it's again concussions that can be tricky.

02:17He can feel good and then wake up tomorrow and have signs or symptoms.

02:21But right now, what we've seen, what we've heard, even Gerard Mayo, just kind of overall

02:25tone of the whole thing doesn't seem like they're that concerned that he might miss

02:30the game Sunday and seems like it's trending in a good direction.

02:32Yeah, look, a lot of the times when you get to this point, the question is not whether

02:38or not the player will be cleared.

02:39It's even once they're cleared, did they get enough practice time in during the week to

02:44be able to play?

02:45Like, because you can't just not be concussed, like you sort of have to know what you're

02:49doing.

02:50You know what the game plan is and all that.

02:51And I feel like that gets lost sometimes in these situations.

02:53Now the good news is because of a unique quirk in the, in the concussion protocol for

02:57quarterbacks, assuming he was in phase four today, which like you said, reading between

03:03the lines, it seems like he was, I'm not reporting that.

03:05I don't know that for sure, but reading between the lines, assuming he was in phase four today.

03:10So phase four phase three, like you said, 30 minute practice phase for full practice,

03:15non-contact phase five, full practice uninhibited.

03:20All practices for quarterbacks are non-contact.

03:24So essentially Drake may in phase four can still go through what for him is a regular

03:29practice day.

03:30It doesn't mean he did, but he can.

03:33And if he did that, and then tomorrow he's in phase five, which would again be a full

03:39practice day.

03:41Well, now he was out there for half an hour on Wednesday, which is, they probably crammed

03:46right in that half an hour.

03:48And then full day, Thursday, full day, Friday.

03:52That might be enough.

03:53Like, I don't know what their bar is, but that's a good amount of practice time.

03:57Most of the time you had a guy who was dealing with like a sore ankle, right?

04:01And he practiced that much.

04:03Assuming the ankle was good.

04:04He'd play.

04:05Now this is obviously different, right?

04:06We're talking about brain injury, brain injury.

04:08That's different.

04:09But if it comes down to whether or not he's prepared enough, like if he does get cleared

04:14and it comes down to whether or not he's prepared enough, I think he has a shot to be prepared

04:19enough.

04:20I think he does.

04:21That's not me saying he's going to play, but that's like the potential is there.

04:25I, at the beginning of the week, I thought it was crazy.

04:28Just you don't see players play the week after concussion.

04:32You just never see it, especially, you know, in the wake of all the two of stuff and it

04:37being another quarterback, you know, it was the league going to be extra careful.

04:41It feels like it's on the table, doesn't it?

04:44Definitely.

04:45Yeah.

04:46I mean, he was out there today from the start, which again, like when we go out there on

04:51Wednesday and Gerard says he can't practice more than 30 minutes, we go out for stretching

04:55and we got the first two periods and he wasn't out there, which I guess if you're limited

04:59to 30 minutes, you probably want him in team periods, right?

05:02So they might have been waiting for that.

05:04So now he gets a Thursday, a full practice.

05:07It appears because he was out there from the start, which was a change.

05:10So it seems like maybe he's trending in that way.

05:13And I was trying to find the quote, didn't Gerard even say like, he'd be pretty comfortable

05:18in the, you know, this might just be some coach speak too, but like, he'd be pretty

05:21comfortable with Drake starting even if he didn't log, like, yeah, he didn't specifically

05:27say this week.

05:28I interpreted that more to mean they didn't expect Drake to like fall behind when he was

05:33hurt.

05:34I thought about that quote too, but I, like you said, coach speak.

05:36I interpreted that more as like, you know, you get a bad concussion, like you can't come

05:40into the facility.

05:41You're home lights off, right?

05:43I interpreted that more as like, no, he'll be around for the day to day, which he has

05:47been.

05:48We've seen that.

05:49I interpreted it more as that.

05:50All right.

05:51That's fair.

05:52Yeah.

05:53I was trying to find the quote, but I couldn't find it.

05:54Hang on.

05:55I can pull it up pretty quickly.

05:56Was it Wednesday?

05:57It was Wednesday.

05:58Yeah.

05:59I wrote about it on Wednesday.

06:00I remember pulling it specifically.

06:01Give me a second to find it, but I know I have it.

06:06So yeah.

06:07Yeah.

06:08It looked like again yesterday with the 30 minute thing, it was phase three today.

06:11Looks like, again, looks like we're not hard reporting here, but it looks like he was upgraded

06:15to phase four.

06:17And if everything was clear, then he can go to the phase five, which is full football

06:20activity, full contact, which for a quarterback, there's no contact anyway in practice.

06:27And then he gets cleared by the club physician and then the independent neuro doctor.

06:31But here's the quote from Mayo.

06:34I do have confidence that if the league says he's ready to play, that he will be able to

06:38go out there and operate.

06:40I feel very comfortable putting Jacoby Berset in there as he's a professional and always

06:44stays ready, as you could see from the last game.

06:46So like, I think essentially what that means, like I read that as like, and basically like

06:53they weren't ruling it out, they weren't ruling it out.

06:55I don't think it was them saying like, this is the plan.

06:59I didn't read it like that, but like as of Wednesday, it was an option, which it, you

07:03know, based on the timeline certainly seems like, yep.

07:08So it looks like maybe some positive news there.

07:11I do want to ask you, cause I've seen this kind of topic and Alex Van Pelt even mentioned

07:17it a little bit today, talking about Drake as a, as a scrambler, as a, you know, we've

07:21talked a lot about getting them involved in the design quarterback run game, which he

07:25says, you know, you see him take some hits and he's so good as a scrambler.

07:30Maybe we don't want to be incorporating that a lot.

07:33But you know, in specific important situations, he said like a fourth and one or a game on

07:39You know, you go back to the preseason game where they're on the goal line and he can

07:42score a touchdown, like important situations.

07:44They might bring that out.

07:45Do you like that kind of game plan with him going forward?

07:49We're like, Hey, he's gonna, and to be clear, they said they weren't going to really harness

07:54in his scrambling ability.

07:55They know that's such a big part of this game.

07:57You see through two and a half starts, how big, big his legs are to his game.

08:03That's part of the reason you drafted him at number three.

08:05So I agree with them, but do you agree with the plan?

08:08Maybe don't run him as much in the design quarterback run game because he can make plays

08:12as a scrambler and you want to kind of protect him a little bit.

08:15So I would do a little bit just to have that there for something for the defense to be

08:21thinking about, especially when the run game struggling.

08:23But overall, I like the approach.

08:25Don't subject the kid to the necessary hits like that makes all the sense in the world.

08:29And he is, that's not to say he's not going to get hit, but you know, he's going to scramble.

08:34Those hits are going to be there.

08:35This is something I always talk about with Josh Allen, which is one of my criticisms.

08:39Not about yet.

08:40Don't don't smirk because this is part of the point that nobody understands this take.

08:45It's not about Josh Allen.

08:46It's about the bills.

08:47I feel like the bills and their fans.

08:51There's like this belief that if Josh Allen runs too much, he gets banged up by the end

08:56of the year.

08:57He's useless.

08:58If he doesn't run enough, the offense sucks and you have that is like a national debate

09:03every year.

09:05I feel usually right around November, it's like, should they run Josh Allen more to win

09:08games or save it to the playoffs?

09:11So that's fair.

09:12And I feel like that, that bills fans believe there's this magical equilibrium that like

09:17if they find like X number of runs though in the super bowl, I don't know that that

09:21exists.

09:22I don't know that that equilibrium exists personally.

09:27I would rather play on the side of, well, that's not get the crap beat out of the kid.

09:32Right.

09:33So this is now a conversation.

09:34Patriots fans are going to have to have, where is that equilibrium?

09:37But I think the bills for a few years have aired more every at the beginning of the year,

09:45every year, I feel like we hear them say, no, no, no, we're not going to run Josh as

09:48much this year.

09:49We learned our lesson.

09:50And then it's like, all right, this time of year and the run game sucks.

09:54And suddenly Josh Allen's running 15 times a game.

09:56And then in December, now it's his elbow or it's his shoulder or it's his knee or whatever.

10:00Right.

10:01It's not the same because they had to put too much on him.

10:04Ideally you build up a roster where he doesn't need to do it because you have other playmakers,

10:09but we'll get there.

10:10That's a few years away for the Patriots and apparently never going to happen for the bills

10:13because they've never really shown any interest in it.

10:15But yeah, Jay, they're running James Cook more this year, aren't they?

10:20How's it?

10:21It's not.

10:22But how's that going?

10:23I mean, there's six and two.

10:25He's averaging.

10:26He's got seven touchdowns.

10:27The averaging have been better on the ground this year.

10:29They have.

10:30I don't know.

10:31The point.

10:32All right.

10:33So just wait on it because they'll still probably bills that they'll still run him in the right.

10:37The point being like with Drake May, I don't mind erring on the side of let's have him

10:43making plays with his arms more than his legs so he doesn't take a ton of unnecessary shots.

10:47Now I'd run him a little bit again, just it gives the defense something to think about.

10:53And let's, you know, also in Alex Van Pelt said today, this was a coaching point.

10:57You got to protect yourself better when you're in the open field as a quarterback, right?

11:01You got to protect your slide head first, which I know sounds dangerous, but that essentially

11:03means just crumple up, give yourself up, you know, be aware of your surroundings because

11:07people say, oh, it's a dirty hit.

11:09Like that's not on him for not himself.

11:12There's going to be people taking shots at you if you're playing quarterback and they're

11:15not all going to be clean.

11:16And part of protecting yourself as a quarterback, it's just as much knowing what to do to avoid

11:22the dirty hits as it is to avoid the clean ones, if not more so.

11:26Right.

11:27You know, Tom Brady at the end of his career talked about how he became very careful about

11:32where he put his feet in the pocket.

11:34Not just while he was back there waiting to throw, but after he threw the ball to make

11:38sure that nobody's going to grab his ankles or he wasn't gonna step on anybody or anything

11:41like that kind of thing.

11:43So work on the kid with that.

11:46But I don't mind them limiting the running overall.

11:49I'm actually okay with that.

11:50Like let the kid be quarterback, let him be a quarterback and the running is just a bonus

11:56as opposed to what's been the strategy.

11:58And I keep picking on the bills because that's been the comp, but you know, the Panthers

12:01ran into this with Cam Newton.

12:05The chiefs mostly avoided it with my homes.

12:06They were pretty good about it.

12:07He's also not like as big, but like the Ravens with Lamar have gone through this.

12:12Like don't, it should be, I'm going to look to throw and if it's not there, then I'll

12:19take off.

12:20Whereas you don't want it to become taking off becomes the first thought.

12:24And some of that comes with like better blocking, trusting your wide receivers to catch the

12:28football, which might be difficult right now, but you don't want that to become such an

12:33immediate instinct because that's how he's going to get hurt.

12:37Yep.

12:38And you said like, just play quarterback first.

12:40He's been impressive as a quarterback, right?

12:42Like he's been impressive as a thrower.

12:43So it's not something he has to do.

12:45So I kind of agree with you.

12:47Don't make him, you know, have to face the hits as van Pelt says, like there's going

12:52to be key spots where it is a game changer.

12:55That's such a big part of his game and you can take advantage of it there.

12:57So, and also say like, I think he has done a relatively good job protecting himself.

13:03Like he generally does try to get out of bounds or, or slide.

13:07That one was a little funky where he like breaks two tackles and then he goes down and

13:12you know, maybe that's a spot where, you know, van Pelt said today, as you just said, go

13:15head first, go down that way.

13:17Cause guys are going to be coming from behind you.

13:19So I do generally think he's done a good job protecting himself.

13:23I mean, we went through his injury history last show and it was only like two ankle injuries.

13:28So he's been, he's been pretty good.

13:31I mean, there's room to get back.

13:32Like it's not Jane Daniels.

13:33Remember this was the big knock on Jane Daniels was that he was, he had the whole highlight

13:37video of just taking him just like jumping into defenders.

13:41So it's not that, but you know, it's, it's the NFL guys are bigger, faster, stronger.

13:46There's an adjustment and you kind of hope that this one learning experience and, and,

13:50and you learn from it.

13:51You take that moving forward.

13:52I, that, when I say like learn to protect himself, that's what I'm talking about is

13:55just like, you know, they're guys are going to be coming at you late.

13:58They're going to be coming at you from behind, just like be cognizant of that.

14:02And you know, if it's the super bowl, go for the extra yard by all means.

14:08Week eight against the jets in the first quarter, you can get down like exactly.

14:14Get the first down, get down, whatever.

14:16So yeah.

14:18So again, it looks like maybe he's progressing in a positive way to play this Sunday.

14:24If you want to look at the Titans, if he does play maybe one of the more complicated defenses

14:31he's played, they have some good, they have some talent on the, on the defense.

14:35The scoring as a whole, hasn't been great probably because of that Detroit game last

14:39week, which was kind of fluky.

14:41They gave up 50 points, but Detroit started like six drives inside their own 30.

14:47They gave up some down.

14:48So it was kind of a funky score based off how you look at it.

14:54But just looking at may, if, if he does start here, what do you, what would you like to

15:01see from him?

15:02And again, against a little more complex schematic defense that maybe he's seen through his first

15:07three games, just limiting the turnovers of the turnover worthy plays.

15:13It didn't turn the ball over against Jacksonville, but had a couple that probably could have

15:16been.

15:17I think that's still the biggest thing I'm monitoring.

15:18And then the sprays, like it's, it's kind of the same, I don't mean to sound like a

15:22broken record, but it's kind of the same things at this point, right?

15:24Just cut down on the turnovers, cut down on the wild throws.

15:27Besides that, it's looked pretty good.

15:29And he mentioned the talent on this Titans defense.

15:33You can get a really good look at it.

15:34If you go look at their injury report, cause they're all on there.

15:36So if, if they're really banged up, like go out and assert yourself, right?

15:41Third overall pick against, against a bunch of backups, make it look like that.

15:46Despite what's around you.

15:47Yep.

15:48Two long injury reports, both, both teams this week.

15:52It's one of those that time of year.

15:53Yep.

15:54Getting into it, getting into it.

15:55But yeah, you mentioned turnover where they plays sprays.

15:59Like I guess it's encouraging that it's just the same.

16:01Well, I don't know.

16:03Would you say it's encouraging that through three starts?

16:05It's the same errors that you'd like to see them correct or, um, yes and no.

16:11You obviously like them to correct that, but if there's going to be errors as a rookie,

16:16you feel like it would rather be the occasional spray than his eyes are in the complete wrong

16:21place.

16:22He's taken off way too early, stuff like that, you know?

16:25So maybe it's a positive, but also how many times could these same errors stack up before

16:31you kind of start to get worried about it?

16:33I think the bigger thing for me at this point is you're going to start it and maybe not

16:39this week.

16:40This is more like when we get closer to Thanksgiving, you're going to start, teams are going to

16:44have tape on them and the tendencies are going to be there.

16:47And you're going to know like left, right, deep, short, right.

16:49What does he want to do?

16:51That's when I'm going to look more at like, okay, how teams are going to start having

16:55answers for them.

16:56They, right now you're just kind of playing them straight up because your center is going

16:59off what he did in college in a very different offense.

17:01And, um, you see a lot of quarterbacks come out of the gate strong.

17:05And then once there's some tape, right, we had that whole string of backups last year

17:09for like every week there was, whether it was Josh Dobbs, whether it was Tommy DeVito,

17:14whoever it was, there was that whole run.

17:16And this would happen.

17:17They, they, you know, kind of go off for two or three weeks because nobody really knew

17:20what to expect.

17:21All right, here's their tendencies.

17:23Let's create a real game plan.

17:24And boom, they're shutting them down.

17:25And I'm not saying that's going to happen to Drake May, but it is going to get tougher

17:28the more tape he puts out there.

17:30And that's the next big check box for me is like, once teams really are starting to truly

17:36game plan for him, which again, I think will happen probably later this year, again, talking

17:42closer to Thanksgiving.

17:44That's when I want to see really how he responds and how he makes adjustments right now.

17:48Just, just get your feet wet, get comfortable.

17:49And that's what he's doing and be comfortable so that by the time those adjustments start

17:53to come, you're able to handle more and handle some adjustments.

17:58Yep.

17:59All right.

18:00Well, there's your Drake May opening 20 minutes, almost 20 minutes on Drake May.

18:03So let's move on to as usual, as usual.

18:06But let's move on to the rest of the offense very quickly.

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19:06All right, let's talk some wide receivers.

19:10You mentioned the drop issue.

19:12We talked a lot about that after the game on Monday for drops last week.

19:18Couple other passes even going off guy's hands, but not technically drops.

19:22Jalen Polk was upgraded to a full participant in practice.

19:25So how do you see him working back into the rotation?

19:28Do we see more or any Javon Baker this week?

19:32How are you looking at this wide receiver group against the Titans on Sunday?

19:36Well, first off, like, you know me, I'm kind of at the point now where I'd like to see

19:40Javon Baker.

19:41And I know it's been a rough couple.

19:43You know, he struggled at the end of camp.

19:45He had the hiccups, as Mike Reese reported, in London.

19:51Put him on the field.

19:52Put him on the field.

19:53Let's see.

19:54Right.

19:55Play the kids.

19:56Like, that's where I'm at.

19:57Play the kids.

19:58And I would ease Jalen Polk back in.

19:59I wouldn't put him back in the role he had.

20:02Again, your top three receivers should be Douglas, Bourne, Booty.

20:08Like those are your three best guys right now.

20:11Get Baker in there, 20, 25%, Polk in there, 20, 25%.

20:15I don't need to see KJ Osborne.

20:17I don't need to see Taekwon Thornton.

20:18Honestly, keep him inactive so you can trade them.

20:20Like both those guys should be gone on Tuesday because you just need to free up the reps.

20:25They signed a wide receiver off to the practice squad the other day.

20:28I think some of that, it got us some NFL experience played for the Dolphins.

20:32Brief lose that will miss like, all right, so you have some emergency depth there if

20:35you really need it.

20:36They have John Giles as well.

20:38I don't need to see Taekwon Thornton.

20:39I don't need to see KJ Osborne.

20:40I'm good.

20:41Let the kids play.

20:43And then Bourne and Douglas, obviously just being at the top of the depth chart should

20:46play.

20:47Yep.

20:48Taekwon also added to the injury report today with an ankle injury.

20:51So yeah, maybe just don't even risk that inactive if you're trying to trade him.

20:56There was the report that they were getting some calls on him and Osborne.

20:59So it seems like maybe some movement there at the wide receiver position.

21:03We can talk about that too in a bit, but yeah, I'm with you.

21:07I want to see Jayvon Baker.

21:09I think it's time again, Gerard said he's an explosive guy with the ball in his hand.

21:13That's so we, they started putting them on kick returns, but you need something else

21:18in that wide receiver room, especially, you know, an X, the guy who can play the backside

21:22that we've talked about so much and that's your body type.

21:25That's your skillset there.

21:26So let's see what he can do.

21:28Good fit with Drake May.

21:29We've also talked about that a lot.

21:30So if Drake plays, maybe get that connection going and then yeah, just Polk, you know,

21:35it was a, it was a concussion for him, but maybe just sit in a week and watching, you

21:41know, going to the ninth floor.

21:43I don't know if he went to the lighthouse or anything, but just sitting and watching

21:46for a week, see how he bounces back and maybe he can get back on track and end the year

21:51strong.

21:52That would be really encouraging out of your second round pick receiver there, but a booty

21:57born Douglas, your top three, and then let's see the kids.

22:00Let's get them involved a little bit and see if they can get bigger roles to end the year.

22:04I'm with you on that one.

22:05So can they run the ball this week?

22:09Can they run the ball against the Titans?

22:11Not a great run defense, but they do have Jeffrey Simmons and Tavon Dre sweat.

22:16So tough, you know, Tavon Dre sweat was a guy we talked a lot about in the draft.

22:20He is on the, he was still on the injury report today, right?

22:24Yeah, yes.

22:26He was a, he was a DNP again today with a hip injury.

22:29So we'll see Tavon Dre sweat status.

22:31Jeffrey Simmons, uh, is full go.

22:34So he'll, he'll be in the middle of there.

22:35So do you think they can finally get out of the negative yards before contact and maybe

22:41try to get some positive momentum on the ground this week?

22:45Oh, like they still have Jeffrey Simmons.

22:46They have some other guys up front.

22:47It's going to be a real test for that, that Patriots interior offensive line, you know,

22:51good players up there.

22:52So, um, hopefully, but I thought remodeling Stevenson coming back would fix it.

22:58And so far that hasn't.

22:59And if you have to sacrifice your run blocking, so the past blocking is better, which it feels

23:05like it's kind of what has happened.

23:08I think at this point with a rookie quarterback, I'm willing to make that sacrifice, but this

23:12is a tough week to start running to, to, to figure out running the ball.

23:16Titans don't do much.

23:17Well, they do have the personnel to stop the run.

23:19Yep.

23:20Especially if it is Jacoby, like you gotta be able to run the ball because we've seen

23:25Drake definitely able to generate more explosive plays.

23:28You know, Jacoby did have some, uh, in that two minute drive at the end of the game against

23:33the jets.

23:34But as we saw early in the year, there are few and far between with him under center.

23:39So you got to get back to running the ball and they were better running the ball with

23:42Jacoby.

23:43So maybe that alter something in the offensive line, but, uh, yeah, hopefully they can get

23:47back to, uh, the run game there.

23:50So, uh, anything else offensive related, well, we're still kind of iffy on the offensive

23:56line, but Darian Lowe's been a DNP Wednesday limited today as he works back through some

24:01things, uh, Leighton Robinson did return.

24:04So I would imagine if low can't go, it's trade Jacobs back to the left, Michael window at

24:10right tackle Leighton Robinson at right or right guard.

24:14But if low goes, maybe we got, uh, a back to back offensive line combination, which

24:18would be continuing that continuity.

24:20So anything there or just anything else on the offense that you're watching against the

24:24Titans here?

24:25Um, I mean, I just liked that there's some continuity with the offensive line.

24:29I think that makes a difference.

24:30I think you're seeing it.

24:31I think it like, that's where some of this improvement is coming from.

24:33Just guys playing together.

24:34So I know some people might want Leighton Robinson back in the lineup, stick with the

24:39group you have until they give you a reason not to.

24:41That's where I'm at.

24:42Yup.

24:43All right.

24:44Patriots defense against the Titans.

24:47We don't know who Tennessee is playing at quarterback cause will Lavis is still on the

24:51injury report.

24:52He's been limited.

24:53Excuse me with a shoulder injury.

24:56So it's going to be either him or Mason Rudolph.

25:00It doesn't, it shouldn't change much, right?

25:02It was, it doesn't change much for you.

25:04Who's back there at quarterback for the Titans.

25:07Not really.

25:08I'd like to get a wheel.

25:09Levis meme.

25:10It's pretty much as, as, as far as I'll go on that.

25:13That's like Rudolph's probably a little more consistent, you know, a little better underneath

25:20Levis is a little more of a gunslinger.

25:24He'll throw a deep, he'll gift you a turnover or two really bad turnovers.

25:30He'll get meme to death.

25:31So yeah, we'll, we'll see who's under there at there for quarterback, but we talked a

25:38lot just, you know, keep they, they made some progress against the jets.

25:44It still wasn't great against the run.

25:47You know, the tackling was better, but just keep building there.

25:52You imagine whatever quarterback it's in, they're going to want to live with Tajay Spears

25:56and Tony Pollard and the backfield.

25:59So just keep building there.

26:01I kind of like their jets game plan of just kind of, you know, as Devon Godshaw said,

26:06you know, just cut the cute shit out and they got back to the basics, but really it felt

26:10like throughout the whole defense, they just got kind of back to the basics.

26:14Like I just kind of like to see that stop the run.

26:18I'm not too worried about Calvin Ridley.

26:19If you put Christian Gonzalez on them.

26:20So almost just a repeat performance of last week, but you know, you just, you got to continue

26:26that and keep the ball rolling and build on that.

26:29I'll even take it one step further.

26:31Like maybe the biggest departure, big picture from the Belichick defense is they're not

26:36creating turnovers right now.

26:37They're not doing it.

26:38And there's been a lot of moments to call for it, that they're not creating turnovers.

26:44This Titans team trick or treat, right?

26:47Happy Halloween.

26:48They want to give away the football.

26:50That's that's who they are.

26:51And yes, that's the second time today I've used that line.

26:53Uh, I want to see the Patriots come out of this game with multiple turnovers and maybe

26:56these Titans ones will be easy and you're not going to play the Titans every week.

26:59And it's, it's not like, it's not going to be as easy against the bears, but maybe just

27:02getting one kind of jumpstart something.

27:05When's the last time they had a turnover?

27:08Ooh, um, it's been a few weeks, right?

27:13Feels like it's been.

27:15The Houston game.

27:18What even was that?

27:19They didn't get an interception that game, did they?

27:23Was it?

27:24I don't remember.

27:27They say they come in, they say they, it's like a snowball effect with turnovers.

27:31You always hear them say that once you get one, they kind of, yeah, hang on, let me,

27:34this is bugging me now.

27:35And then, cause I remember they had the garbage time interception against the Niners.

27:40Yeah, it was real peppers.

27:43Was it last week or Jacksonville that Jalen Hawkins dropped the interception memory?

27:49He had a hit him like right in the chest last week.

27:52I wanted to say last week.

27:53Yeah.

27:54But what was the turnover against the Texans?

28:00Was it a special teams turn?

28:01There was a, did Stroud throw an interception?

28:06I don't think so.

28:12It's the, it wasn't, they didn't get any pass rush, so it wasn't a strip sack.

28:18This is giving Marcus Jones and intercept Marcus.

28:21Did Marcus Jones pick off?

28:22Oh, it was the, it was the tip, the Mopu tip.

28:25Oh, that's right.

28:27Jones intercepted that.

28:28So that was their last one.

28:30So again, clearly not a ton of turnover.

28:35It's been a while.

28:36Go out, get a turnover, like get this thing going.

28:39A big part of this defense is creating turnovers.

28:41There's always been the identity of this defense.

28:43How many times under Belichick was it?

28:46Yep.

28:47Here comes the turnover.

28:48Like this is where they're going to turn the game.

28:49You could say your watch to it.

28:51That's a, that's supposed to be a big part of their identity defensively is creating

28:54turnovers.

28:55They haven't done it this year, especially not recently.

28:58The Titans are among the worst turnover teams in the league.

29:03Make it count.

29:04The Titans have turned the ball over 16 times.

29:09They are dead.

29:11What's this?

29:12The Titans are dead last in turnovers, offensively and defensively.

29:17They've given the ball away 16 times.

29:19They've only taken it away three.

29:24And I know from our punters league, they have like, they've given up like two block punts

29:28because Ryan Stonehouse is like dead last, even though he's one of the best punters in

29:33the league, he's like, or usually as he's like dead last in our punters league and points

29:38because he keeps getting punts blocked, which we'll talk about their special teams rough

29:42week last week, but yeah, get a turnover again.

29:46That's like, especially if it's a Jacoby Berset game, like you're going to need some plays

29:51on defense, on special teams, like get a turnover that that would go a long way there.

29:57So especially if it's Will Levis probably makes the odds a little more likely.

30:02So that would be big.

30:03You have any, give us a prediction.

30:06Come on.

30:07Who's who's getting the turnover?

30:08If there is one who's getting a turnover, if there is one, like who in the Patriots

30:14force it.

30:15Yeah.

30:16Gonzalez.

30:17Okay.

30:18I was going to say him locks down Calvin Ridley.

30:20Yeah.

30:21So maybe that, I don't know if they have Christian Gonzalez on prize picks, but we'll have to

30:26do that.

30:27So let's take a look.

30:28Yeah.

30:29Turnovers.

30:30We'll, we'll see Titans quarterback, but just, yeah, kind of keep it simple as you did against

30:35the jets.

30:36Get back to the basics.

30:38I would trust the secondary and man like he did against jets Gonzalez on, on Ridley, not

30:43too concerned about their other guys.

30:46So we'll see there.

30:47So anything else on defense or we can lump in special teams.

30:52Cause we kind of talked about that.

30:53They gave up a ton of explosive returns against Detroit last week.

30:59One was a two punt return touchdowns and another lawn return.

31:03So bad special teams unit.

31:07We've seen the Patriots kind of be up and down with, you know, giving up returns, but

31:11Marcus Jones makes some plays.

31:12So anything you're looking at there or anything to wrap up defense.

31:17So I, I, I just on special teams, I just talked to, to Justin Mello covers Patriot covers

31:22Titans for a number of different sources, all of that up later on 98 from the sports

31:25of.com.

31:26And he said that, so the Titans had two punts blocked in the first two weeks and their philosophy

31:34been, well, we're going to leave more guys back to protect the punter so we don't get

31:41it blocked again.

31:42But the problem with that obviously is they're not sending like the full, I guess it's really

31:47ugly, like really ugly.

31:49Well, I just Detroit had a 90 yard punt return, touchdown, 64 yard punt return, and then a

31:5572 yard kickoff return.

31:58So all against the Titans last week.

32:00So that is very ugly.

32:02So there should be a chance to create some plays in the kicking game.

32:06Yup.

32:07Yeah.

32:08Take advantage of it.

32:10Take advantage of it.

32:11And we'll see Jayvon Baker.

32:14Maybe that's where he gets an opportunity.

32:16He's doing return on a punt return.

32:18I think it's still going to be Marcus.

32:20I was saying, cause the lions had a big kick return to kick return.

32:25Yeah.

32:26So maybe you can get something going with him there.

32:29And then Marcus Jones obviously will handle the punter return duty.

32:31So yeah, make a play on defense, make a play on special teams, get something, get something

32:36cooking going on there.

32:37So that's Titans again, one in six, first two and six, not too much to go with there,

32:47but anything else to kind of wrap this one up or we can talk a little trade deadline

32:52and then get into college football and everything else to wrap up the show.

32:56No, I think that's pretty much it on Patriots Titans.

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34:33So we did a little trade deadline talk.

34:35Um, it's coming up.

34:37It's November 5th, I believe Tuesday, next Tuesday, Patriots already got started with

34:42Joshua Uche trading him to Kansas city.

34:45But there was also a report from Jocena Anderson the other night that they were monitoring

34:51the trade market for wide receivers, offensive tackles, and defensive tackles as a way to

34:58perhaps add talents.

35:00I don't know if you want to call it buying, but adding some talent.

35:04So is that a move for two and 16, not the most conventional path, but would you be up

35:12for that?

35:13If obviously the deal is right and the player is right and the compensation and everything

35:18were you surprised by that report?

35:21And do you think that's a good way to kind of approach this deadline of maybe if you

35:25find talent, that's worthwhile, go out there and get it.

35:28I mean, I, I think it's a good approach just right.

35:31Especially right now.

35:32Like it's a buyer's market that Deontay Johnson trades insane and I thought the Joshua Uche

35:38return was low.

35:39I still think it's a little low, but you know, when you see what guys are getting traded

35:43for, yeah.

35:44If you can get a player that's going to help you in the longterm, they're not tanking anymore.

35:46Right.

35:47If you can get a player that's going to help you in the longterm, I'm all for it now.

35:50Is that guy out there?

35:52That's a little bit tougher.

35:53Obviously there's the T Higgins of it.

35:54Although the athletic is reported, the Bengals aren't going to trade him.

35:57You know, I was kind of doing some research over the weekend, uh, Barron Browning and

36:01Denver is a guy that's rumored to potentially be moved.

36:04I think the most likely position you're going to get if you do this as edge, you know, a

36:09pass rusher.

36:10So do you go and get Barron Browning chase young could be an option.

36:15Obviously it hasn't worked out for him in new Orleans.

36:16He moved at the deadline last year for a third.

36:19So he's taking a step back.

36:20He's another year older.

36:22I'd probably do a fourth for chase young from the Patriots, uh, assuming that, you know,

36:26you're going to sign him to an extension.

36:29I don't know that like the second for Montez sweat is there, but I like that they're looking.

36:34I like that.

36:35They're looking to add talent consistently.

36:38That's the one that the popular kind of comparison, which was last year, bears were two and six

36:44and they trade a second round pick at the deadline to get Montez sweat.

36:49Uh, I think he's 26, 27.

36:52Then they give them five, you know, a couple of days later, they give them a big four year

36:55extension and now he's here.

36:58He's their, their best pass rusher.

37:00They have a rookie quarterback, they're four and three, they're, you know, in competing

37:04for the playoffs.

37:05That was kind of your comparison, right?

37:07If you're right, like they need talents and if you can, again, you're not, as you said,

37:12you're not tanking, you have the quarterback.

37:14So winning games, isn't a bad thing at this point.

37:17So if you can go out and get talent, that's going to be here for the long haul, even if

37:22they are a UFA and now you have a leg up to resign, these guys work in extension and get

37:28a guy who will be here for the long haul.

37:30I think it's a worthwhile investment, especially, um, not trading the first round pick.

37:36I'm hesitant on trading your second round pick.

37:39Like with the second, it's got to be locked buster.

37:43Yeah.

37:44They had the luxury of having like the two first round picks last year, so they could

37:47kind of do that.

37:48But right.

37:49Uh, would you do like, would it have to be like T Higgins to get you to move that second

37:54round pick or something like that?

37:56Even there, just because it was injury history, like I still might do it, but I have to think

38:00about it.

38:01Um, we're thinking like, surprise, surprise, the name I'm going to bring up DK Metcalf

38:06Seattle has Seattle's in a little bit of a free fall right now falling apart a little

38:10bit.

38:11Yeah.

38:12Somebody, somebody tweeted something the other day about it and somebody tagged me and was

38:15like, it was about like that.

38:18They're just seeing an interesting tweet and was like, if it's DK, if DK ends up a Patriot,

38:23they're like, Alex, Marth is going to look like something, whatever.

38:26Like I, I need it to happen, Brian, I need it to happen.

38:31Not just because not, I mean, one, they get a good player, which would be excellent.

38:35Also just, I, I might have to be done giving takes after that.

38:38Cause I, I I've had this nailed it a year now.

38:41Yeah.

38:42It's him being the guy I was talking to Evan about it.

38:45I remember when people were telling me that Brennan Iuke was better than DK Metcalf.

38:49So Evan's on like the opposite end of the spectrum.

38:53I was talking to him about it last week, I think in the locker room and he was calling

38:56you crazy.

38:57Cause he's like, they're not moving.

38:58He hates fun and DK Metcalf would be fun.

39:00So that's true.

39:02But yeah, the second round pick, I'm, I'm definitely hesitant on moving that too.

39:07Cause you assume that's top 40 pick, but you have two thirds, you have one from the Matthew

39:10Judon trade.

39:11If you could go out and get a guy who, you know, you're confident that'll be here for

39:16a couple of years and can help you win some games.

39:20I'm absolutely for that.

39:22So or maybe even, you know, some of the lesser names, like you have three seventh rounders.

39:29I don't know if you could go yet.

39:32You know, Darius Slayton has been a name that people have thrown out there.

39:35Some of those edge rushers just to get a veteran at a kind of a position, a need to maybe settle

39:39something down.

39:40I would love to just play Jayvon Baker, but if they're hesitant to do that, just, you

39:44know, Darius Slayton could be a guy who just fits the X mold and then slots the other guys

39:48into a better position.

39:49So I'm for adding talent.

39:51They obviously need talent.

39:53Go out and get some, if the opportunity presents itself on the other end of the spectrum, anyone

39:58you think could join Joshua Uche and kind of be shipped out of here.

40:02We know the popular names, KJ Osborne, Taekwon Thornton, Jonathan Jones, Kendrick Bourne,

40:07Devon Godshaw's name has even come up.

40:10Do you think any moves will actually be made to ship anyone out of here by next Tuesday?

40:16I mean, I think you got to move at least one of Osborne or Thornton, if not both.

40:20There's just too many players in that room, too many bodies, too many guys.

40:22You got to get reps and, you know, our guy's going to be disgruntled, not playing one of

40:25those two guys.

40:27That's not great.

40:30You got it.

40:31You just got to open up snaps.

40:32So what, if not both the receivers move, I don't think you're going to see any of the

40:35veterans move.

40:36Um, yeah, I, Uche was the big one, obviously I'm surprised they did as early as they did.

40:41I think maybe if they waited, they could have gotten a little bit more just, you know, teams

40:46going to their second, third option.

40:47But yeah, I, I'd expect one of those receivers to move, if not both of them.

40:52Yep.

40:53I would definitely try to move at least one of them.

40:55I'm not, you know, I've seen a lot of Jonathan Jones, Kendrick Bourne.

41:01I'm not so much in favor of, of trading those guys just because you have such a young team.

41:07You're trying to write this culture, right?

41:09You need some veterans in there.

41:10Now, if someone wants to get crazy and give you a third round pick for one of those guys,

41:16that's when you might have to say, okay, that outweighs the locker room presence.

41:20But you know, you're seeing a six round pick for Jonathan Jones.

41:25I'm good.

41:26I think what he brings to you off the field outweighs a six round pick right now, right?

41:32Somebody's got to get dumb for me to trade one of those guys.

41:35I'm not saying they're untouchable, like third round pick by all means, but the Jonathan

41:41Jones leadership, Kendrick Bourne's leadership worth more than a wait round draft pick.

41:47Yeah.

41:48Especially again, you have three seventh rounders, you trade KJ Osborne or Taekwon, you might

41:54get another six, seventh rounder.

41:56Like how many of these late round picks do you need?

42:00I'm hoping they trade some of them so we don't have to cover six, seven round draft picks,

42:04but those mock drafts get long, Brian, we'll, we'll be able to move all over the board.

42:11And also like, again, it's a buyer's market right now.

42:13So you're not going to get a ton for those guys.

42:16You mentioned all those seventh round picks.

42:17Like that's key.

42:18I would rather move at this point, KJ Osborne into seventh for a six, then just like KJ

42:25Osborne for a seventh or something like that.

42:27I'd be looking at pick swap.

42:28Although I wonder if maybe that's what went into getting the 2026 pick for Joshua Uche,

42:32it was just spread, you know, spread those picks out a little bit.

42:36Yep.

42:37All right.

42:38So that's your trade deadline preview again.

42:40That's not till Tuesday.

42:41So we'll probably talk about it a little bit on Monday again, if there's any updates after

42:47the game.

42:48So we'll, we'll see what happens, but that's Pat's Titans.

42:53That is trade deadline.

42:55I just pulled up prize picks through our lineup.

42:58Unfortunately, I think the quarterback situation is throwing a wrench in everything because

43:03there are no options for lineups right now.

43:07All it is, is Drake may more than pass touchdowns and interceptions.

43:12So we might have to pivot on the lineup.

43:16We'll just tweet it out.

43:17We'll put something together off air and we'll tweet it out on Sunday and let you guys

43:21know to follow the lineup there.

43:23But Oh, this one, Oh no, not this one.

43:28Speaking back to the trades, what are your thoughts on crystal lava?

43:32This is probably an off season move, but are they moving him?

43:36I haven't seen anything about that.

43:38I mean, good player, but there hasn't been any rumors, but like, this is something where

43:44I think he's kind of falls in that, you know, he'll need, it's the fifth year option.

43:48It's the year before the fifth year option.

43:49So we'll need to get paid and the saints are just in such cap hell where maybe they move

43:53him.

43:54I would love, like I was watching the Thursday night game when they were getting blown out

43:59a couple of weeks ago.

44:00And I was like, if you could do almost the DJ more bears, Panthers trade, and this depends

44:06where the draft draft picks fall, but you get crystal lava.

44:09So you maybe move back a couple of picks and get crystal lava.

44:13Like that could be a dream scenario for the Pats this off season, but I don't know.

44:17I just saw that and made me think of that take.

44:19I don't know if you like crystal lava or I do.

44:21I think again, that's more of an off season thing.

44:24Yep.

44:25But interesting idea.

44:26I liked the thought.

44:27I liked the thought.

44:29So we'll wrap up instead of prize picks with our little college football talk.

44:36Let me see.

44:38I was trying to pull up the slate.

44:41Something good this weekend that's on your eye.

44:43I mean, Ohio State, Penn State at noon Saturday is the big one.

44:49Yeah, that's going to be that's going to be a fun smash mouth football game.

44:54Yeah, it's not like the deepest week pit SMU sneaky good game.

45:01It's a big game in the ACC.

45:03That could be fun.

45:07What else we got?

45:08Ole Miss, Arkansas.

45:09You should get some good scoring in that one.

45:12Honestly, Michigan's falling off so much, though.

45:17Yeah.

45:18I mean, I like watching Michigan lose, so that'll be fun.

45:20You got the cocktail party, Florida, Georgia, which it's so they're doing renovations on

45:27the stadium in Jacksonville where so Florida and Georgia every year playing Jacksonville.

45:31It's one of the few like good neutral site games.

45:34I believe most rivalries should be played on campus, but they're doing renovations there.

45:39So for like two years, they can't play the game there.

45:42Logically, you play one game in Gainesville and you play one game in Athens and awesome.

45:46This rivalry goes on campus.

45:48No, they're playing them in freaking Atlanta and Dallas, like when I say Atlanta, I mean

45:53like Mercedes Benz, like the Falcons.

45:55That's annoying.

45:56But cocktail party is always a great environment.

45:58Georgia might blow doors, but watch the first ten minutes.

46:02Beautiful environment.

46:03Fun game.

46:04Yeah, not not not too much exciting now in this one.

46:10So is the I think it's this is the first time and if you like, I feel like the noon window

46:16has been terrible all year.

46:17I think this is the first time all year that like a good game has been at noon.

46:21Yeah, we got the Ohio State, Penn State game at noon.

46:25Northwestern Purdue.

46:26If you're into that sort of thing.

46:28You weren't loving the Notre Dame Navy noon last week.

46:31I actually, I did enjoy that for a little bit, but for the first like ten minutes when

46:37it was somewhat competitive, hey, Notre Dame has more touchdowns of MetLife than the Jets

46:43and Giants combined this year.

46:45So they got that going for them.

46:48Tough, tough one.

46:49But yeah, not a not a great slate, but those are always the ones that that kind of surprise

46:55you and sneak up.

46:56Ohio State, Penn State should be really fun.

46:59So keep an eye on that one.

47:01Any draft takes or have to get off your chest or just college football takes in general

47:05before we log off?

47:07Well, we'll get the first college football playoff rankings on Tuesday.

47:11So I'm I'm hesitant to get big Tuesday, big to write where your trade deadline, college

47:18football playoff.

47:19Is there anything else going on, Brian?

47:20I don't know, but I'm hesitant to get too far ahead of anything.

47:26Because like last year, I was like, oh, I like these teams.

47:28I don't like these teams.

47:29And then there's like a chaos week and then the playoff bracket came out.

47:31So I'm going to bite my tongue for now.

47:34I want to see the playoff.

47:35Because also it's like all irrelevant once we get the bracket.

47:37I like they do the bracket late because it's been a long criticism of the AP poll that

47:41the initial poll, which has more to do with last year than this year, is like flawed.

47:47So I like that.

47:48They wait.

47:49I want to see the bracket and then I'll react because then we really gear up for like this

47:52playoff push.

47:53Yep.

47:55Should be good, should be good, but we will wrap it up there again.

47:59Sorry, we can't do our prize picks live.

48:02We'll tweet out a lineup.

48:04We can, though.

48:05It's been beautiful weather the past few days.

48:08So if you were lucky enough to get out to go play some golf, I'm jealous of you because

48:13we weren't. But when we do go out to play golf, we use our PXG Black Ops irons.

48:19Yes, we do.

48:20Help us hit the ball straighter, farther, not having to worry about hit every shot pure

48:24to make it good.

48:26All of that.

48:27So we head over.

48:28We both Barth and I went over to PXG in Framingham to upgrade the clubs in our bags.

48:34We got to hit on the simulators.

48:37We both decided to go on the Black Ops irons, but they have plenty of new other irons that

48:42you can look at and hit to find the best club that fits your game.

48:46You go through the simulator again, you go through the trackman data, you get your distances.

48:51You get your club speeds, your ball speeds, your club face angles, all of that to help

48:55your golf game take it to the next level.

48:59And so if you want to upgrade your bag with PXG and take your game to a whole new level

49:04for a limited time, you can save ten dollars per club.

49:07If you head over to PXG dot com and use code CLNS, that's PXG dot com code CLNS to save

49:15ten dollars per club on your order.

49:18Again, PXG dot com code CLNS.

49:21I also got an email earlier.

49:22They have a 70 percent off warehouse sale right now, PXG.

49:26So maybe you can go get some, they say clubs, clubs, polos, headwear, bags, gloves, gear,

49:34apparel, accessories and more.

49:36So go get your clubs and then go get some apparel as well on PXG and go play some golf

49:42while we have some nice weather.

49:44So we will wrap it up there.

49:47Again, Patriots at Titans on Sunday.

49:50We'll be back to break it down on Monday.

49:52Talk about maybe a little bit more trade deadline as well.

49:56Hopefully Drake May is out there.

49:58We'll see practice tomorrow.

49:59Gerard Mayo speaks again tomorrow.

50:02So for updates, follow Alex on Twitter at Real Alex Barth.

50:05Head over to 985 Esports Hub dot com for his written coverage.

50:09And you can follow me on Twitter at I am Brian Hines and head over to Pat's Pulpit dot com

50:13for our Patriots coverage there as well.

50:15Thanks everyone for tuning in with us tonight.

50:18Have a happy Halloween and we will see you guys next week.

50:22Bye.

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