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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Sardar Latif Khan Khosa PTI
- Dr Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
"Agar woh lotay thay tou kya ye lotay nahi?" - Kashif Abbas raised important question
"Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto aur Benazir ki rooh tarap rahi hogi.." - Latif Khosa
"Tehreek-e-Insaf waley dramay baaz hain.." - Tariq Fazal Chaudhry
"Ap Logon ka Zameer Kiyu Nahi Jagta ..."? Kashif Abbasi's Question to Tariq Fazal Chaudhry
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Sardar Latif Khan Khosa PTI
- Dr Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
"Agar woh lotay thay tou kya ye lotay nahi?" - Kashif Abbas raised important question
"Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto aur Benazir ki rooh tarap rahi hogi.." - Latif Khosa
"Tehreek-e-Insaf waley dramay baaz hain.." - Tariq Fazal Chaudhry
"Ap Logon ka Zameer Kiyu Nahi Jagta ..."? Kashif Abbasi's Question to Tariq Fazal Chaudhry
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15The rumour of the 27th Ayn-e-Tarmeem has risen once again.
00:20A few days ago, the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem was passed.
00:25It was very controversial because there was a lot of opposition to it when the first competition was held.
00:30But after the last competition, it seems that people have accepted it to some extent.
00:35But what was the reason that those things that could not be passed in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem,
00:41what is the purpose of passing it through the 27th Ayn-e-Tarmeem?
00:46And the biggest thing that is being done in this is probably the military court,
00:50where there is a trial of civilians, which will be passed through the 27th Ayn-e-Tarmeem.
00:56This was discussed when you are seeing the footages.
01:01When I met Mr. Shahbaz Sharif in Bilawal Bhutto's Lahore,
01:06after that meeting, the news came out that the 27th Ayn-e-Tarmeem has been decided.
01:14And almost all newspapers have carried this news.
01:17Why? What is to be passed in this that could not be passed in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem?
01:23And why was it not passed in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem?
01:25Was the reason that the court was closed so that no one could take notice and strike down or oppose it?
01:36Because the consensus that was needed was first made to control the court.
01:43And now it seems that Mr. Maulana has said that we will oppose it.
01:49But yesterday in the assembly meeting, Mr. Qadir Patel said that if we want,
01:53we have 50 pillars of the assembly opposition.
01:56That is, if we can show it in full screen, that the government is saying that they had broken 50 people of justice.
02:04When it was discussed about the Ayn-e-Tarmeem through Loto,
02:08another thing that Mr. Qadir Patel said at that time,
02:11I say Lota to those who gave 5 votes, not Lote to those who gave votes to Sanjarani.
02:16He raised this question, but the answer to this question has to be given first by Qadir Patel and People's Party.
02:23That if they were Lote, then are they not Lote?
02:26You said to them that the back of democracy has been stolen.
02:29Anyway, this debate will continue.
02:31Let's see how many people will break because in the last few days,
02:35many people of justice were underground.
02:37Not just that they were underground, they were hidden, their phones were switched off.
02:40And all this happened on the instructions of the party.
02:43Because people were being picked up as mobiles,
02:47there was a lot of pressure on their family members.
02:49And they are trying to change their loyalties.
02:54Today there was a press conference.
02:56Haji Imtiaz's sister-in-law heard what kind of conversation was being had in it.
03:04Haji Chaudhary spoke about Mr. Imtiaz.
03:06Our sister was tortured.
03:08The Chief Justice of Pakistan took notice of this.
03:11Mr. Bilal Bitto, you have a very beautiful democracy.
03:14You make a mark of victory, you celebrate it.
03:16You celebrate the way the violation of human rights is being done.
03:19If they think that we will be suppressed by this, then they are mistaken.
03:25PTI is doing Mabela, but it seems that the government,
03:31You must remember that this matter started from Sindh House.
03:35Now no one has a problem with morality.
03:38Now if people were broken at that time, then people will still be broken.
03:42They have been broken.
03:43And I don't think anyone has any shame about it.
03:46That we are breaking people, making lotas and doing memes like mirrors.
03:50Although our objective should be fulfilled.
03:56If it was with lotas, then let it be with lotas.
03:59But some people of Tariq-e-Insaaf have voted.
04:02Let's see what the proceedings are.
04:05But today, Sheikh Waqas Akram also said that the 4-5 people who did not vote,
04:10They did not vote because there was no need.
04:13But there will be proceedings about them too.
04:15What did he say?
04:16Five people voted against us.
04:18There are four friends on whom we have this suspicion.
04:21Because they did not vote against us.
04:23The suspicion is that they were present there.
04:25But maybe the government did not need votes, so they were not used.
04:28They are Mikdad Khan Baloch, Riaz Fathiala, Bagheri Aslam Ghumman and Zain Qureshi.
04:33These are the four people who have been issued a show cause.
04:37These are the people on whom there is suspicion.
04:39And I personally think that if there were people of Tashaddud, Family, Aghwaki,
04:46Then maybe the PTI would have had a softer view on those people.
04:50That people cannot stand in such difficulty.
04:52But the way the PTI is saying that there will be proceedings against them,
04:56It seems that there will be a lot of money involved in this too.
05:00But if the PTI tells us, we will follow it.
05:02On the other hand, there have been a lot of protests on the side of Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
05:04Four lakh people will come on the streets.
05:06Salman Akram Raja Sahib said.
05:07Ali Ameen Sahib also said that they are all ready.
05:10I will close Pakistan.
05:11What did he say?
05:12I am addressing the whole cone.
05:13That you are ready to close the whole of Pakistan.
05:16The decision we have taken is to get rid of this government.
05:18And those who have stolen the mandate are also taking it back.
05:21Now I am giving you a warning.
05:23Our next step is only one.
05:26And you will not even get a chance to run in the helicopter.
05:28You are forcing us not to stay peaceful.
05:30And you want us to do what you deserve.
05:35What will happen in the next few days?
05:37Tariq Fazal Chaudhary Sahib is with us.
05:39He is the chief of PMLN's National Assembly.
05:41Lateef Khosa Sahib is with us.
05:43Khosa Sahib, thank you very much.
05:45Thanks to both the guests for coming to the program.
05:49Let me start with Khosa Sahib.
05:51Of course.
05:52All the people have come out.
05:54Earlier, the people of Tariq-e-Insaaf were hiding.
05:56Obviously, for obvious reasons.
05:58But what is the news about you, Khosa Sahib?
06:02There are 9-10 people who are being mentioned again and again.
06:06How did your people break?
06:08Was it a matter of money?
06:11Look, Kashif, this is not something to be asked.
06:16This is Azhar Minshabz.
06:18The whole world knows him.
06:20The level of decency that this government has shown
06:25and the establishment of the government
06:28the way they have openly said that there is no shame left.
06:36This has reached the limit.
06:40I don't think Zia-ul-Haq did such a thing.
06:44We also saw the era of Zia-ul-Haq.
06:46He definitely hit people.
06:48He did a lot of things.
06:50He hanged people.
06:52But he also didn't do this.
06:54He is breaking the current record.
06:57This will be written in the Guinness World Record against him.
07:00Look, ever since...
07:02But after listening to the 27th amendment,
07:05has the people of Tariq-e-Insaaf again...
07:07Khosa Sahib is afraid that it is time for them to hide again.
07:10Because they need more votes.
07:12If Maulana Sahib is not ready this time,
07:14they will need more votes.
07:16He has said that he will stop this.
07:21Kashif, one thing is that
07:23this will never be presented in the 27th amendment.
07:26He has definitely left Shudni.
07:29And two great people...
07:31One is Rani Shaheed Benazir Bhuttoji
07:35and Zulfiqar Ali Bhuttoji.
07:37Their son has broken the record.
07:41And they have spearheaded everything.
07:44I was present in that.
07:46You talk about the constitution.
07:49Its spirit was that
07:51we will never let the establishment fall.
07:55Nor will we let the establishment interfere in the formation of a government.
08:00And we will play a strong role in the opposition.
08:05And your freedom will be the freedom of the press.
08:09I would like to commend you for taking your own life
08:14and fulfilling your responsibilities.
08:17Otherwise, I am surprised that
08:19after saying so much, you are still sitting here.
08:22You are not a missing person.
08:24May Allah bless you, sir.
08:26I think...
08:27Sir, if someone hears what you are saying,
08:29they will be shocked.
08:30Have some fear of God.
08:32Go to Canada.
08:36Akash, this has become a garrison state.
08:39Now, this 27th...
08:41See, what Maulana Fazlur Rehman said,
08:44that this was a black snake.
08:46And I have thrown black snake's teeth and poison.
08:50I don't know why he is happy.
08:52He has given a charge sheet on them.
08:56The 26th constitution that he presented.
09:00The 56th constitution that you are talking about.
09:04Article 8 said that the civilians will be
09:07trialled in military courts.
09:09And no court can interfere in that.
09:14This was there.
09:15And you will remember,
09:16when Bilawar Bhutto Sardari Sahib
09:18went and showed it to Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
09:21then Kamran Murtaza said,
09:23what kind of a shake is this?
09:25Sir, he said,
09:26that we are helpless.
09:28Sir, you mentioned the Charter of Democracy.
09:31That was a different time,
09:33that was a different people.
09:35They have decided,
09:36this is what we have to do.
09:37Whose helplessness was this?
09:39Sir, whose helplessness was this?
09:41In my opinion,
09:42like they say,
09:43Khawaja Sahib has some shame,
09:45some modesty.
09:46So, have some fear of God.
09:48You have gone into slavery
09:50of the establishment.
09:52You have imposed
09:54martial law on this country.
09:56This is a constitutional martial law
09:58on this country.
10:00Even if someone says the name of democracy,
10:02I don't understand.
10:03Fazl Chaudhary Sahib is sitting.
10:05He is my friend too.
10:07But he also knows that
10:09he is also sitting in the 47th form
10:11in the National Assembly.
10:13Really?
10:14They don't let it go ahead.
10:15This way,
10:16Kashif Nizam will not work.
10:18I am telling you.
10:19Sir, I will come to Nizam.
10:20He has to be in a worse state than Bangladesh.
10:22Nizam?
10:23He has to be in a worse state than Bangladesh.
10:25India has given him security
10:27to Bangladesh.
10:28Even if some other country,
10:30like Haseena Bajaj,
10:32is not ready to give him security.
10:34But he will be in a worse state
10:36than that.
10:38Absolutely right.
10:39Sir, let me ask Dr. Nizam.
10:41Let's see.
10:42Dr. Nizam,
10:44we have broken 50 people.
10:46You have broken 50 out of 80.
10:48I have heard that
10:49Mulana Sahib's people were also broken.
10:51So,
10:52NG has to continue.
10:54Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
10:55I am very surprised.
10:56The few clips that you have shown,
10:58Khosa Sahib, my elder brother,
11:00I was very surprised to hear them.
11:02First, let me tell you that
11:03we are in form 45 or 47.
11:05This decision
11:06is to be taken by the Tribunal,
11:07the High Court and the Supreme Court.
11:09Khosa Sahib will not do it.
11:10The second thing is that
11:12you said in the beginning
11:14that after the 26th amendment,
11:16the 27th amendment.
11:18This is now
11:19travelling in the form of a rumor.
11:21On our cards,
11:22on our cards,
11:23the 27th amendment is not present.
11:25So, why did Rana Sahib say that
11:26he will not bring it?
11:27This is not under discussion.
11:28Rana Sahib said that he will bring it.
11:29Rana Sahib's information will be his.
11:30I cannot challenge him.
11:32But according to my information,
11:34the 26th amendment…
11:35Sir, when it came in the 26th,
11:36you were denying that
11:37you will not bring it.
11:38No, there is one thing
11:39that I will tell you.
11:40You remember in the 26th,
11:41we were asking here
11:42whether it is coming or not.
11:43No, no, no.
11:44I will tell you that
11:45the meeting that is going on
11:46in the Assembly right now,
11:47this is going on
11:48that a few acts
11:49have to be passed.
11:50Acts.
11:51Not constitutional amendments.
11:52Okay,
11:53its name is Bill.
11:54The bill is coming in the Assembly.
11:55When is it coming?
11:56It is coming the day after tomorrow.
11:57It is coming the day after tomorrow.
11:58It is coming on Monday.
11:59So, there is no intention
12:00of a military court.
12:01It is coming on Friday.
12:02The bill that people
12:03are asking questions about
12:04and linking it
12:05to the constitutional amendment
12:06which is not under discussion
12:07at the moment.
12:08There is no decision
12:09of a military court.
12:10Not at the moment.
12:11Not at all.
12:12Not at the moment
12:13when you say…
12:14No, not at the moment.
12:15I mean,
12:16look ahead,
12:17two, three, four months.
12:18There is no such thing right now.
12:19I am telling you
12:20that people are asking
12:21that the bill is coming
12:22in the Assembly.
12:23That an act amendment…
12:24What is this at the moment?
12:25First tell us.
12:26Tell us.
12:27We don't even discuss this.
12:28Look,
12:29what happens
12:30after three months,
12:31six months,
12:32I can't discuss that.
12:33Then what happens
12:34after a month
12:35can't be discussed either.
12:36Because you have linked
12:37a meeting
12:38to the 23rd amendment.
12:39I am saying this
12:40because you have linked
12:41a meeting
12:42to all the channels,
12:43the newspapers
12:44and TV channels.
12:45You have linked them.
12:46Everyone has their own
12:47way of doing things.
12:48I am telling you
12:50that there is nothing
12:51to discuss.
12:52You are saying
12:53that there is no amendment.
12:54Should we close
12:55this chapter
12:56or should we open it
12:57again after two or two months?
12:58No, for now it is closed.
12:59The chapter is closed.
13:00So, the amendment
13:01people shouldn't worry
13:02about 50 years?
13:03No, they shouldn't
13:04worry.
13:05They are drama fans.
13:06Yes, they are drama fans.
13:07They are big drama fans.
13:08You are not going to
13:09wake them up?
13:10You were telling
13:11Sheikh Waqas Akram
13:12statements.
13:13First thing is
13:14that this is
13:15extremely wrong,
13:16this is a drama
13:17that five of his followers
13:18Chaudhary Ilyas, after winning the Azad election from Gujarat,
13:21who did he sign his stamp paper and give it to?
13:25To Chaudhary Shujaat.
13:27Is that so? So how did he get it?
13:30You had kidnapped him since he became the government.
13:33He went back to his mother party.
13:35Khichri sahib.
13:37Don't do this.
13:39Who else do you support?
13:41I want to talk.
13:42The four people who are saying this,
13:45won the Azad election.
13:47Who did they support?
13:48I say it was them.
13:49The day the election transmissions were going on TV,
13:52there were two types of Azad.
13:53Let me talk.
13:54Listen, let me tell you something.
13:55It's a fact.
13:57It's a fact.
13:58I won't talk. I'll talk later.
13:59I'm just saying,
14:00keep one fact clear.
14:02When the elections took place,
14:03there were two Azad categories in the elections.
14:06You can talk about everything.
14:07One was the Azad.
14:08One was the Azad who supported Tariq-e-Insaf.
14:12These were the people who supported Tariq-e-Insaf.
14:14The election commission didn't give them a symbol.
14:19Technically, they didn't give them a stamp paper.
14:22They claim it.
14:23We don't claim that they supported us.
14:25So far, it's fine.
14:26I'll say two things.
14:28First, this is an academic debate.
14:31I, personally,
14:33because I'm a citizen of Pakistan,
14:35I'm a third-time member of its parliament.
14:37I believe in the constitution.
14:38So, I believe in its constitution.
14:40But I don't agree with it.
14:42Just a minute, please.
14:43I'm worried. I didn't say anything.
14:45I don't agree with the fact
14:48that you have a stick in your hand.
14:51You have to vote according to the party's opinion.
14:55This is my personal opinion.
14:57But it's written in the constitution.
14:58So, I'm against it.
15:00Apart from a couple of things,
15:01you should be free.
15:02You're a legislator.
15:04You're a legislator.
15:05Your entire parliamentary system
15:07has been inculcated from Britain.
15:10Tell me,
15:11is there such a binding there?
15:13But what does Pakistan have to do with it?
15:14The members are free.
15:15Let's go.
15:15In principle,
15:18I agree with you.
15:19But in the present situation of Pakistan...
15:21I said, this is an academic debate.
15:23We'll leave that for later.
15:24The reason is that on this floor of the senate,
15:26Raza Rabbani cries with tears
15:28while casting his vote in the military court.
15:30But he says, the vote is in the hands of the party.
15:32The vote has to be given to the party.
15:33So, this is a different matter.
15:34It's written in the constitution.
15:35But I'll come to another thing.
15:36I said, how are these drama-makers?
15:39When this constitutional amendment was passed,
15:41they said, our people were kidnapped.
15:43They lied that their families were kidnapped.
15:46This and that happened.
15:47Even now, Mr. Khosla is saying,
15:49it was forced.
15:50If it was forced,
15:54then why are you giving your people
15:56the Shokaz notice?
15:58Why?
15:59They were kidnapped.
16:01It was forced.
16:02They didn't even come forward.
16:03It seems that...
16:04No, they didn't even come forward.
16:05Did they issue a note?
16:07No, they didn't.
16:08Okay.
16:09When those 20-22 people...
16:10Listen to me.
16:11When they cast their vote against Imran Khan,
16:15for no confidence,
16:16was this the accusation at that time?
16:18Was this the accusation at that time?
16:19But tell me, what should I believe in?
16:22Mr. Abbas, tell me,
16:23should I believe in the constitution,
16:25in the force,
16:26or in their Shokaz?
16:28Listen, Dr. Sir.
16:29No, answer my question first.
16:31You answer, Mr. Khosla answer.
16:33Tell me, if these people were kidnapped,
16:35it was a constitutional amendment.
16:36Answer my question first.
16:37Zain Qureshi's...
16:39If no one was kidnapped,
16:40if no money was spent,
16:42if his business was kidnapped,
16:43then why are you giving him a Shokaz?
16:45I agree.
16:45Why are you giving him a Shokaz?
16:46I agree.
16:47Why do you do such dramas?
16:48Why do you fool people?
16:49But Dr. Sir, let's come to the next point.
16:51You are the only one who says...
16:52He was not kidnapped.
16:53You could have issued a note.
16:54You must have opened the bags.
16:55You are the only one who says,
16:56God has to give life.
16:57Everyone has to give life.
16:58Don't you have to give life to God?
17:00Why do you lie?
17:00Is it that drama or this drama?
17:03I am telling you this.
17:04Is it permissible to buy votes by giving money?
17:06Secondly, is it not permissible?
17:07No.
17:08Tell me, what is this human emotion
17:13that only the people of Tariq-e-Ishaq are aware of?
17:16You are not aware of it.
17:17People's Party members are not aware of it.
17:19In different legislations.
17:20In different legislations.
17:22There was such an intense debate in this country
17:25that whether the 26th Ayn-e-Tarbi is right or wrong.
17:27Listen to me.
17:28It was not such an obvious thing.
17:30Both opinions were very strong.
17:32Some said that
17:33they should be among the top three judges.
17:36But the way you hand-picked the Constitutional Bench,
17:40the majority said that it was wrong.
17:42But none of you woke up.
17:43Why were all the consciences of the same party awake?
17:46Look, the thing is that...
17:47Your conscience must have been strong, right?
17:48I gave a reference to Mr. Rizwan Ghilani's election.
17:50Let's be fair.
17:52That is, in every era...
17:53Didn't you listen to his son's audio?
17:55There are such people in every era
17:57who ditch their parties.
17:58Okay?
17:59For what reasons do they do it?
18:00In pressure, in greed.
18:02They talk about saving their future.
18:04They do it.
18:05This can be one of the reasons.
18:07Why should I deny?
18:08But I will tell you one more thing.
18:09You are saying that a political party
18:12standing on a moral, democratic pedestal
18:16should buy a vote and amend the Constitution.
18:17There is no such pedestal.
18:19There isn't?
18:19You don't believe it?
18:20No, I am saying that...
18:21Okay, you have settled this issue.
18:23I am saying that buying a vote is not a pedestal.
18:26Sir, I said otherwise.
18:28People's party, democracy,
18:30I am saying that in every party
18:32such people keep breaking up.
18:35This is the reality.
18:36Why do they keep breaking up?
18:37You know it, I know it.
18:38Okay, let's move on.
18:39One last thing.
18:42Khosla Sahib,
18:44I will say it again,
18:44he is very respectable for me.
18:46He said with great enthusiasm
18:48that Bangladesh and all that.
18:50I want to say that
18:52Huzoor, Pakistan is not Bangladesh.
18:54Neither is Pakistan's army Bangladesh's army.
18:56Neither are Pakistan's people Bangladesh's people.
18:58I want to tell Khosla Sahib
19:01that there is a weapon in every other house.
19:03If there is no weapon, there is a pistol.
19:04May God bless you.
19:05I hope you don't lose it.
19:06What are you saying?
19:07What do you think?
19:09One party's people will go for it
19:11and you won't be seen in it.
19:12God forbid, if something happens in Pakistan.
19:13God forbid, listen to me.
19:14I am saying that
19:16senior people like him
19:17sitting on big channels like this
19:19what kind of things do they say?
19:20Understand the consequences.
19:21He meant, a movement will start.
19:23God forbid, if there is a movement in the ground.
19:25You understand, I am speaking very frankly.
19:28You are giving it a very dangerous name.
19:30You are talking about a political movement.
19:32You are saying that guns will come out.
19:34What kind of political movement is this?
19:36What kind of political movement are you talking about?
19:37He is saying this.
19:38That revolution, mob.
19:41After that, your people.
19:44I was asking Khosla Sahib what he was saying.
19:45Khosla Sahib, what are you saying?
19:47Private property.
19:48No, no, sir, you have gone too far, sir.
19:50Oh, man, in every program,
19:51they make me say this.
19:52No one has any brains.
19:53For God's sake, doctor.
19:54No, I am telling the PBI.
19:55Have some courage.
19:56Khosla Sahib has also gone on that track.
19:58Taking a shot, shooting people,
20:00there has been less protest than this in the world.
20:02Pakistan is not the only country where there has been protest.
20:04Okay, tell me one thing.
20:05I have only one last question.
20:06But I believe that there should be a circle of protest.
20:09When an extremely despicable thing happened in the glory of the Prophet,
20:15in Denmark,
20:17how many people were killed in our protest?
20:19How many casualties were there?
20:21More than 20 people were killed here.
20:23How much property was taken away?
20:24If these emotions come to the public,
20:27come to the public road,
20:28what would be the result of that?
20:29Khosla Sahib, Khosla Sahib,
20:30first of all, tell me,
20:33when they talk about the destruction of your people,
20:35I am very happy.
20:37After listening to their arguments many times,
20:39that people should be destroyed.
20:40If you see,
20:42people's conscience, their conscience should be voted.
20:45I agree with this.
20:46You are educated people, you are legislators.
20:47It is said that this law,
20:49you are legislators, right?
20:50So, you may like the law or not,
20:52but in Pakistan,
20:53in the context of special circumstances,
20:56the votes of the parties break.
20:57Only one party breaks.
20:58There will be only one party that will become South Punjab Mahaz.
21:01Everyone broke in different periods.
21:02South Punjab Mahaz was made by you.
21:08Then, from PTI itself, people reached Sindh House.
21:12In different periods,
21:14this incident happened with every party.
21:15It is not an incident.
21:17It is an incident with the party.
21:19Khosla Sahib, Khosla Sahib,
21:21what kind of incident is this?
21:22If people break, then it is an incident with the party.
21:25It is beneficial for 2-4 people, right?
21:27In my opinion,
21:28give Dr. Sahib an exclusive.
21:31Give him my time as well.
21:32No, no, Dr. Sahib.
21:33Khosla Sahib.
21:34Sir, I was doing a walk-out.
21:36Look, bury the democracy.
21:38Kashif, even after burying the democracy,
21:42to say such big things,
21:45there should be some fear of God.
21:47You have buried the democracy.
21:50They don't run the country like this.
21:52Please forgive me.
21:53Today, it is not the time
21:55when there was one PTV
21:56and one Pakistan Times.
21:58Today, everyone has a digital age.
22:02This is the age of social media.
22:04You can't fool anyone.
22:06The container state this country has been made in
22:10is a story of oppression.
22:12A foreigner asks,
22:14where are the rivers?
22:16Where is the water?
22:17Where is the ocean?
22:18He says, where is Islamabad?
22:21Where is the water?
22:22He says, there are containers all around.
22:25So, you can imagine
22:26how much the country has changed.
22:27I am sure the foreigners love the containers also, sir.
22:29They have containers all over Pakistan.
22:34But, Khosla Sahib, tell me.
22:36Now, they have made it a garrison state.
22:42Please forgive me.
22:43Go and show it in any neighborhood,
22:46in any market,
22:47in your own circle.
22:49The extent of people's sorrow, anger,
22:51hatred and hatred
22:54has been challenged.
22:56The world is not mad.
22:59This is not the time.
23:00They should be afraid of God.
23:02They are telling me,
23:03why are you making everyone do it?
23:07But, I hope, sir, whatever happens,
23:08may it be peaceful.
23:09We can try and pray for one thing.
23:12We are a peaceful country.
23:14They can't enter anyone's house.
23:15They can't enter anyone's house in KPK.
23:18Because everyone has a gun,
23:20they shoot.
23:22Here, there is no such thing as honor and respect.
23:25Whoever enters someone's house,
23:27they can kidnap their mother,
23:28their wife,
23:29their sister,
23:31their daughter.
23:32They have kidnapped
23:35Sadullah Baloch's 16-year-old daughter.
23:37And then, you can imagine
23:39what his father and his family
23:41must have gone through.
23:44This is the story of every family.
23:48Forgive me, Mr. Khosla.
23:49It's very unfortunate, Mr. Khosla.
23:51It's very unfortunate.
23:53When you go to the government,
23:54don't be so happy.
23:55You will surely succeed.
23:57But, think about Pakistan.
23:59Think about the motherland.
24:01Think about the people.
24:02Think about the people.
24:04You have looted them
24:06and now you are eating them
24:08like cattle.
24:10For God's sake,
24:12look at the people outside.
24:14People can't pay the electricity bill.
24:16People are...
24:18The situation is bad.
24:18Mr. Khosla, I have permission to take a break.
24:20If you allow me.
24:21People can't get treatment.
24:23Mr. Khosla, there was a community
24:25that used to call the army chief their father.
24:27Which community was that?
24:29Okay, let's say slavery.
24:31You didn't say father, did you?
24:32Which community used to say
24:34that the army chief is a father?
24:35You weren't in that community at that time.
24:37It used to be the same page.
24:38Let me take a break.
24:39Mr. Khosla, let's talk about this after the break.
24:41Let's take a break.
24:42I'll be back after the break.
24:45Welcome back, viewers.
24:47Obviously, there was a heated debate
24:49about what happened in Pakistan's politics.
24:51But, Mr. Khosla,
24:52many of your people who have broken up,
24:55who are being called drama queens,
24:58there are many press conferences.
24:59I know personally
25:02how much money and what has happened in between.
25:05Your party people tell us
25:07that someone has done this much
25:08and someone else has done that much.
25:10And even after listening to the press conferences,
25:12they feel that if you take action,
25:15you will take action against those
25:17who either went in with their happiness
25:19or money.
25:20If it was because of coercion,
25:22you wouldn't take action against them.
25:23So, how many people do you think
25:26have broken up out of ten
25:28because of money issues?
25:31Because people went to the send-off because of tickets.
25:34There are at least five people
25:37who have voted.
25:39They don't have any objection.
25:42Only four people have an objection
25:44that they are refusing.
25:46They say that...
25:48Look, as far as the relationship is concerned,
25:51it's not just between us.
25:52Look at Akhtar Mehngal.
25:54Akhtar Mehngal was looking for his senators.
25:58And those two senators were sent off.
26:00Sir, I am saying this with great pride
26:02that the people of Maulana's party
26:04also had to vote for the government.
26:06Yes. Yes.
26:08Maulana Sahib did express his condolences
26:11even before he...
26:16But it wasn't because of coercion, sir.
26:18It was something else.
26:19Look, Maulana Sahib was also broken up.
26:23Sir, how many of you...
26:25Akhtar Mehngal...
26:27Mr. Khosla, tell me something.
26:29This 50 figure that Mr. Patel has given...
26:31Qadir Patel has given...
26:32There's a news in the newspaper.
26:34I have played it on TV.
26:35I will ask them to play it again so that...
26:39This news is in front of you.
26:42This news is from Duniya Akhbar.
26:45Yesterday, in the assembly speech,
26:46they said that 50 leaders of the opposition were ready.
26:49Tell me, how many of you were broken up?
26:5040-45 of your party members were broken up?
26:55Kashif, if someone wants to commit political suicide...
26:59Look, the one who has betrayed...
27:01He has betrayed any party.
27:03He is not a human being.
27:04I don't consider him a human being who betrays.
27:07And that's why we should curse him as much as we can.
27:11I remember that...
27:12And Mr. Khosla, what is your definition of betrayal?
27:14Because the PTI, People's Party, will accuse you
27:17that you left our party.
27:18You are saying that the sitting member of the National Assembly,
27:20who has been elected on a ticket, has left his party.
27:22No, never.
27:24No, no, Kashif.
27:25No one has ever said that no one can say anything about me.
27:28The party itself gave me a show cause notice
27:31that why did you take Imran's case.
27:34Although, taking cases is my profession.
27:39And secondly, there was no conflict of interest of the party
27:43that if a false case is filed against them in Balochistan
27:47and in the court, Raza Shah...
27:49No, no, what I meant was, Mr. Khosla,
27:50that in Pakistani politics,
27:53I often say that the concept of loyalty in our politics
27:56is a very dodgy concept.
27:57People think that the party in which you were born,
27:59you will die in that party.
28:01I don't buy that argument.
28:02The way I am in favour of him,
28:04I am also in favour of him.
28:05If you have a problem with the party,
28:06then leave the party.
28:07No, there is no dodgy.
28:10Look, I have been in this party many times
28:14and I have said that I am the People's Party.
28:16This happened only after I got married.
28:18I was in the Pakistan People's Party since the time of Bhutto.
28:21I have never left the party nor have I complained.
28:27Rani Shaheed Benazir Bhutto and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
28:30they used to do people's politics.
28:32I have never said a single word against them.
28:38Mr. Khosla, quickly, I have a question.
28:43Your party is in some other politics.
28:45You know what politics it is.
28:47It is power politics.
28:49You beg and take orders.
28:50This politics has come to your party.
28:52What are you trying to do?
28:53Tell me, Mr. Khosla,
28:54are you becoming a member of the Judicial Commission
28:57on behalf of Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab?
28:59Look, I am already a member of the Judicial Commission.
29:04I am already a member of the Parliamentary Committee.
29:08When we got appointed,
29:11Mr. Alia Neelam was appointed.
29:14When the judges came to the Supreme Court,
29:17we gave our input.
29:19Because they are confidential,
29:21I don't need to tell you this.
29:23But we never compromised on the principle of seniority.
29:27We never compromised in those meetings as well.
29:30As far as our relationship is concerned,
29:32they have just made a proposal and given a suggestion.
29:35It will come to the Court Committee.
29:37After the approval of the Court Committee...
29:39Whatever it is.
29:40Before I come to the doctor,
29:41Mr. Khosla, I have one more question.
29:43You expressed so much hope for Donald Trump.
29:46Is it good?
29:47Sometimes you say that he is going to get rid of him.
29:49Sometimes you say that he will get Imran Khan released
29:51in November and December.
29:53Where is your optimism coming from?
29:54Why are you optimistic about that?
29:57No, no. He will be released in November.
30:00You can see what is left of the case.
30:02There was only one last case of the wife.
30:04It was a shameful case.
30:06After nine months, there is a bail.
30:08And the wife is released.
30:10Now, she had a quashment.
30:13She has gone for the next week.
30:15In November, God willing,
30:17Imran Khan will be released in her last case as well.
30:21And after that, it is not possible to keep him.
30:24So, you are saying this because of the merit of the cases?
30:29Listen, apart from the merit,
30:31I am saying that it is obvious that
30:33there will be a change in the American establishment
30:36because Donald Trump is winning
30:39in the American elections on November 5th.
30:43And earlier, on the behest of Donald Loo,
30:46on the behest of America,
30:48Imran Khan was removed.
30:50This was and will be our position.
30:53And this is the reality.
30:54So, you expect Donald Trump to win.
30:56The establishment will change.
30:58The government will change.
31:00Doctor, you can answer this question if you want to.
31:04Tell me, a policy of your party is being made.
31:08Mr. Kaira of the People's Party has also voiced out
31:10that the top three judges should not come to the Constitutional Court.
31:15So, the point is that we have to stop them.
31:17So, why should the judges of your choice come to the Constitutional Court?
31:19This will also be a big debate.
31:20You want the judges of our choice to come to the Constitutional Court.
31:23Or you want the judges of their choice to come to the Constitutional Court.
31:24Or you want the judges of our choice to not come to the Constitutional Court.
31:26Look, again, I will say that this should be an academic debate.
31:31Why is this so?
31:33Should a decision be made based on the case?
31:37Or should a decision be made based on the case?
31:38Or should we sit here and say that
31:40because this is the merit of this case,
31:41therefore, this will be the decision.
31:44Right or wrong?
31:45You should not make decisions at midnight.
31:47Why is this so?
31:49Why should a decision be made based on the merit of this case?
31:53You should not make decisions at midnight.
31:56Why is this so?
31:57You should not make decisions based on the merit of this case.
32:00You should not make decisions based on the merit of this case.
32:02No one is looking at the case.
32:03No one is standing in front of the case.
32:05So, when this happens, then what you are saying will happen.
32:08What did you say in the beginning, sir?
32:10What did you say in the beginning, sir?
32:12That Maku has been stamped.
32:13We have not stamped anyone's Maku.
32:15He keeps stamping.
32:15After the 18th amendment,
32:17the Maku which was stamped by the parliament,
32:19has been reversed.
32:21After the 18th amendment, this power was with the parliament.
32:24Let's be real.
32:25This is the reality, Dr. Sir.
32:27I agree with this.
32:29There should be a balance in some things.
32:31There should be a balance.
32:32Only then will things progress well.
32:33But the parliament is here and the court is here.
32:36This is not the case.
32:36This is the concept of your basic trichotomy of power.
32:40You have shaken that concept.
32:42Okay, in that concept...
32:43Now, you are saying that we will establish the constitution.
32:45I will establish the constitution.
32:47Tell me something.
32:49In this trichotomy, which is the supreme constitution?
32:52Sir, the definition of the supreme constitution is not what you are saying.
32:54Who has the power to amend it?
32:56You have it.
32:57But you do not have the power to weaken the judiciary.
33:00Not at all.
33:01And you have done it.
33:02You have done it.
33:03Sir, tell me something.
33:05Your MNAs come from 25 crore people.
33:09Two, one, three people
33:12have come from 25 crore people.
33:15Prime Minister Mian Rashid, what was done?
33:17How was he sent home?
33:18Yusuf Raza Gilani, how was he sent home?
33:21Today, Mr. Ghosa, I remember,
33:24you have been fighting the case of Mr. Bhutto.
33:25Can Mr. Bhutto be alive today?
33:27Today, the same Supreme Court is saying that it was a wrong decision.
33:30You should accept that every institution should be held accountable.
33:35Our accountability is the highest.
33:37Ask Mr. Ghosa.
33:38What accountability do you have, sir?
33:39In the public.
33:40You are saying that...
33:40Didn't the public hold you accountable?
33:42Did anyone hold you accountable for what you did in your three MNAships?
33:46Was this your accountability?
33:47How many institutions?
33:48I can tell you ten things that you...
33:50I mean, tell me, Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
33:52you are the MNA of three times.
33:54Three times, the Prime Minister, Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
33:56Today, he is sitting in the assembly on form 47 and you are saying that...
33:57Wait a minute.
33:58Mr. Nawaz Sharif, let's not get into that.
34:00Mr. Nawaz Sharif was not held accountable.
34:01You are saying that we hold him accountable.
34:02What kind of accountability is this?
34:03You have made deals and given power to a minority.
34:06And you are saying that we hold him accountable.
34:08What kind of accountability is this?
34:09In the era of General Musharraf,
34:10what kind of accountability was there that Mr. Nawaz Sharif was not held accountable for?
34:13What did you get?
34:14Besides appointing men on form 47...
34:17What kind of accountability was there that Mr. Nawaz Sharif was not held accountable?
34:19Mr. Nawaz Sharif is still in Panama.
34:21We still don't know who is the owner of Panama.
34:23Let's leave that.
34:24I just want to know if this is accountability
34:27that the Prime Minister of three times,
34:29the Prime Minister of two times, is sitting on form 47
34:32and you are saying that he is held accountable.
34:33Sir, the debate on form 47 and 47 is in the courts right now.
34:36Let it be in the courts.
34:37The question is,
34:38does it not happen in Pakistan?
34:39You do everything in your convenience,
34:41in the context of your desires and your crazy politics.
34:44There is no answer to this question.
34:46Just tell me one thing.
34:47In bureaucracy,
34:49in judiciary,
34:50in establishment,
34:51in everyone and in politicians,
34:53in these four groups,
34:54who has the highest responsibility?
34:56Who goes to the jails the most?
34:57You are the one who is the most critical.
34:58You go to the jails in your personal fights.
35:03Sir, personal fights...
35:03Because you fight among yourselves.
35:04Who has the highest responsibility in NAB cases?
35:06Sir, if your aim is to run a democratic set-up,
35:10then these things do not happen in a democratic set-up.
35:12Then who will run it?
35:13You have to run it.
35:14But then you try to...
35:15Who has the solution to this?
35:16Look, Imran Khan put you in jail.
35:18The parliament has it.
35:19They have it.
35:20The parliament has it.
35:21So, we have been saying this for a long time.
35:23As a politician.
35:23We have been saying this for a long time.
35:25I still say this,
35:27whether you sit for two months or ten years,
35:30until the politicians don't sit,
35:31these issues will not be solved.
35:33This is a fact.
35:34100% correct.
35:35We are saying this to the PTI again and again.
35:37Does anyone love anyone or hate anyone?
35:39The politicians have to sit.
35:40Absolutely.
35:41Who used to run the parliament in your time?
35:43You don't know.
35:43Anyway, both were brought in.
35:45You don't know.
35:45Both were brought in.
35:47This is the problem.
35:48These are the scholars of this country.
35:49No, sit down.
35:50Mr. Khosla, in the end...
35:51Be open-minded.
35:52Why not with the politicians?
35:53Answer in 30 seconds.
35:54Mr. Khosla, you paint so many pictures
35:56that here, I don't know whose translation you do,
36:00you are involved with them,
36:01they are going to bring them in.
36:02But you have to talk to them as well.
36:04You didn't even sit with them, the politicians.
36:0730 seconds, Mr. Khosla.
36:08Kashif, we...
36:09Kashif, we are 100% ready,
36:12provided that the politicians
36:15who have been elected by the people,
36:18who have been mandated...
36:19Whoever gets a chance, does this.
36:21People use this.
36:23Two wrongs will not do one right.
36:25I agree, sir.
36:26Two wrongs will not do one right.
36:28But somebody has to learn.
36:30He says that I will die,
36:32but neither will I deal
36:33with them like a thief.
36:36You are right.
36:37Before taking a break, I want to say this, Mr. Khosla.
36:39He also says that he won't talk to the politicians.
36:42He won't talk to the establishment.
36:44So, you have to be open-minded.
36:45Let's take a break and come back.
36:50Welcome back, Naseem.
36:51We do a lot of discussions in the programs.
36:55On each other.
36:57Depending on who is the opposition,
36:58who is the government.
36:59We throw mud.
37:00We say who is right and who is wrong.
37:03But when we get a chance,
37:05when it matters,
37:07what the politician does,
37:09will determine the democracy of this country,
37:11what will be the limit of this country.
37:15Our problem is that whoever gets a chance, deals.
37:18And whoever doesn't get a deal, becomes the opposition.
37:21But we try our best
37:24to get a deal from someone or make a joke of it.
37:27We come in their good books.
37:29And this is the fight these days.
37:31All politicians should sit down.
37:32If you really want to act on COD, then act on this.
37:36I'll take your leave. Goodbye.